little help us training and figures, including a former prime minister condemning reports of the country's soldiers torture them. dozens of are found civilians. we have from people in kabul, who say they want justice. well, you know, apology is not the solution. no afghan one, steve's foreign powers to control the country. don't think he's in the budget french complex rally against a final religious gatherings during the local town of this aside to pay, the pain says one washed up pointed to disturbing historical parallels in french history. this isn't the 1st time that going to mass has been considered illegal,

or the churches have a lot more that going to mass could be considered a crime. and rescue us from countries including russia help refugees to want to care about and rebuild homes. but many find they have nothing to return to every day we drug, this house that includes the suds, every adult god in your house that's been destroyed and the family. but isn't this bringing you the news? this is ot international from the people who make it all happen, a very warm welcome to start us off this hour. let's talk about how a straight officials have condemned what they call unsaid, given full atrocities, committed by that country's special forces in afghanistan, the difference minutes,

the governor general and a former prime minister spoke out after an inquiry by a stranger as military into the alleged murder of $39.00 afghan civilians including president as i got the report 2 weeks ago. and it made me physically ill. and it was very, very distressing. read the un forgivable atrocities were committed by a small number of individuals and deliberately concealed from the media chains of command. i'm disgusted by the findings of this report will detail in counts of cold blooded murder by members of all those messages of remorse following a long list of apologies for war crimes committed by coalition forces in afghanistan since the 2001 and facia in egypt trying to now looks at how those waging a war on terror became a source of terror themselves. 2 eggs, australia, and afghanistan, thousands of kilometers apart. one a very keen to help the other. we remind committed to

assisting afghanistan in resisting it. terrorism. resisting the taliban forces providing in cooperation with other countries. i live of stability and to live the lives curity that you'll country can build for itself. a strong and prosperous and secure future . it took the australian prime minister a bit more than 13 hours to fly over to kabul to say all that a bit more than 13 years ago. by then, australian troops had already been engaged in the war torn country for several years, almost 20 years ago since the aussies got involved. their number one military man has no other choice, but to say, sorry, i sincerely and unreservedly apologise for any wrongdoing. by

a stroll in soldiers, i say no choice because allegations of 39 civilian deaths at the hands of his defense force as a result of blood lust and competition killing deserve an apology or actually much more than that large parts of the military report. we can't even read their blacked out, but even what's available, sounds horrendous and disgusting. this shameful record includes alleged instances in which new patrol in the members were coerced, to shoot a prisoner in order to achieve that soldier's 1st kewl in an appalling practice known as bloody atrocities. range from reports of troops killing a 6 year old child and a house raid to a prisoner being shot dead to save space and a helicopter apology given measures to be taken culprits to be punished.

compensation to be paid. but just think of how many times since 2001, we heard the same kind of stuff from the coalition. do you call it? what you were just one of the course is a little bit of president obama spoke by telephone to apologize and express his condolences for the m.s.f. staff and patients who were killed and injured. sincere apologies for any offense. this may have caused by apologies to the president of afghanistan, and we will make sure that anybody who was involved is held fully accountable with the full force of the law. these are the cases that they thought deserved an apology. unlike some unfortunate, i mean quite a few of the fortunate civilian deaths from drone strikes that were often referred to as, remember the phrase collateral damage. but in any case,

there is no winning the war on terror without drones, right? they were dangerous. these young men, often deliberately and casually, cruel. i wanted somehow to save them, send them to school, give them a trade to drain them, of the hate that had been filling their heads. and yet the world that they were a part of and the machinery i commanded, more often had me killing them. instead, it all makes you wonder, just how many more thousands of deaths or command full pause. we're still unaware of, especially when it's revealed how much the people in charge were in denial about what they were doing. the problem is there's a disincentive, really, to tell the truth. we created an incentive to almost require or for people to law. there is an odor of mendacity throughout the afghanistan issue, and i know congressman connelly has heard me talk about this years ago mendacity

and who bruce so well, the latest report that left the aussies red faced lead twinning strategic consequences and military mindset u. turns well, by how badly trumps plans to cut the troop presence in afghanistan have been received. is just wishful thinking for now. we've been in afghanistan for almost 20 years and no need to ally wants to stay any longer than necessary. but at the same time, the price for leaving too soon, or in uncoordinated way, could be very high afghanistan. risk becoming once again, a platform for international terrorists to plan and organize attacks on a young man's. so i guess it means more apologies, could only be on the way. well, the alleged war crimes by a straight and forth of understanding because outrage in afghanistan, we lost people on the streets of kabul. what they think should happen. but yeah, it was strange. he has admitted to killing innocent afghans and has apologized, but these cases happened years ago. only hearing about them now. afghans were

killed as if our blood was worthless. leaders need to end their inaction and speak out. the foreign soldiers come here to serve their own interests, not to help us. no afghan wants these foreign powers to control our country. we need to decide our own future. but i don't buy your goods. for the 1st time, confess and as soldiers killed us. but i don't think any of bogeys enough. the afghan government needs to uphold the law to make sure the family so good victims are compensated. in apology is not the solution. the afghan government must make sure that no foreign soldier can get away with killing afghans. and the foliage is not enough, it wasn't just wanted to people, they killed around 40. i want the government to take this seriously. then there were console, just many afghans in the past and the us will condemn the actions of its soldiers. but then do nothing about it. i'm sure the same will happen in australia because

for them, one of the soldiers is worth a 1000000. cost, a former governor of afghanistan's god, me province. no strain is not the only member of the u.s. led coalition to have carried out such horrific actions. these are something that is very serious and we feel that that is beyond our comprehension. and i'm really appalled that that how could anybody and the name of humanity will when he even do that, especially with this poor afghan people. and we hope that that manifest to something real and not only for the australian, but also other nato countries. and also, united states who have committed similar acts in afghanistan, also needs to pay heed to this issue and reconcile their own differences that i have done in afghanistan. the world health organization has

voiced alarm over europe, such a growing virus, death rate after $29000.00 fatalities were right stood in, a single week. according to the w.h.o., one person in europe is now dying from the virus. every 17 seconds. france is one of the worst hit with intensive care ward, more than 95 percent full and struggling to cope with more than 2000000 covert cases. that is the continent was tolley medical staff, a warning they can no longer cope. you just listen to do list. will complain about is that we need some rest but we have limited places, the worst serious patients are in the hospital ward and we only get the patients in the most serious state. yes, it's difficult now. he said over the government's promises serve the interests of the comics and hospital. i've seen the use of for their patients.

another side of this is that france's ban on all religious gatherings, including mass, as part of the lockdown, has sent angry believers on to the streets and protest wash. some things are more important than covert restrictions. as charlotte now reports, churches may be closed for services, but catholics are still meeting and they are protesting, knock down measures that seem religious services essential under france's measures to fight the virus. only funerals and weddings are currently allowed in religious buildings as services. the limits on the numbers that turned religious leaders say the restrictions contrary to see could part of the catholic faith, catholics in france,

suffer from not being able to come together for the sunshine moment. the sunday mass. many do not understand how disposable to shop in the supermarket filled with bias and how to split the same time to meet in our churches in strict compliance with health precautions. despite taking their pleas to france's highest administrative court, the catholic church has failed to persuade the current sleep state that religious services such as mass, are essential and should be permitted during the lockdown. that's angered some while others have decided to take matters into their own hands. well, if i might go to confession with you a bit, charlotte, i did not start going to master in the 1st lockdown, and i don't intend to start doing this time. keen not to draw focus from the authorities for attending these prohibited masses. we have agreed to hide his identity. do you feel that that is the responsible thing to do to continue going

to mass responsible thing to do. for us as catholics, we are mostly responsible to god before we are responsible to our government. and obviously it's always best when those 2 are together. but in french history, this isn't the 1st time that going to mass has been considered illegal, or the churches have been locked, or that going to mass could be considered crimes by making this decision. do you not think that you are putting the general population in? do you think that as a catholic is the right thing to do? you know, because i'm not asking anybody to do anything that they don't want to do. if someone doesn't want to go to mass, they're not being forced to go. and as they say, oh, be all of the laws. as my religion asks me to on public transportation, etc. so i will be a paying the front. so i know because the laws of france do not extend above god.

so there are limits to france's power. and i simply recognize that in the practical order, max is not repentant for his desire to continue attending mass, nor would he feel morally responsible, if someone in his congregation caught and delegate nowhere in my life up to 2020. have i been held morally responsible for being a vector of a disease? i could very well have passed a cold on to someone in the past or the flu, unknowingly. and the way that covert has operated with many, many asymptomatic carriers. it's very unlikely that anyone would ever know. so given that i had no intention to distribute the virus or any desire to do so, i couldn't feel bad in that sense. that attitude is likely to in theory, for services such as this all banned. well, for the protests by catholics will not be tolerated. life is more important than

anything else. and life is about battling the coronavirus. it's not just catholics who have been impacted by this. the blanket ban hits any religious service. that means that muslims, jews, hindus and others are all in the same vote. but given that france is still a majority catholic country, there are voices and voices of anger, or roy sing above the crowds. shoulder to ski, altie, paris still to come. the e.u. summit ends and deadlock off the 2 nations vetoed the plots, accusing brussels of the communist tactics. we'll talk more about it in just a moment.

greater, transferred to say simpson, exacerbating alarming everyone mindlessly. actually what that means is we end up making solutions that long, but actually do very little. it's just

a kind of fuel instead of the solutions that work while the european union has failed to agree on a coronavirus recovery fund, a 7 year budget, very tense, a video conference that exposed a deepening rift between member states on issues ranging from migration to the rule of law reporting from its beach on a migration, the budget for the upcoming 7 years. they're the 2 main problems for the european union. at the moment. there doesn't seem to be any light at the end of the tunnel and getting agreement on either of them. on the line, the e.u. commission president said ahead of the summit on thursday that there needs to be an overhaul of the way that migration is dealt with in the e.u. at. that's been pretty much evident since at least the heights of the migrant

crisis back in 2015. the way it currently works is that it 1st nation, the 1st member state, somebody seeking asylum arrives in. that's the one that is obligated to look after them or see that's not particularly fair on countries like greece or italy on the line says the current system is not fit for purpose and needs to be overhauled in favor of something. farah, the current system no longer works. each member state without exception, must support member states under pressure. the idea of more burden sharing isn't agreed on by poland and hungary. they say no, they don't want lots of poland, hungary also not on side when it comes to the conditions of the e.u. budget for the next 7 years. now poland has found itself accused by brussels, of having undermined the independence of the g d surety, as well as having a road at some of the checks and balances of democracy while in hungary those

fingers pointed at them, saying that in particular the, the prime minister of hungary, viktor orbán, saying that he's launched a crackdown against free media and academics under some of the clauses that are written into the new budget. if you don't play by brussels rules, you don't get brussels as money and that isn't sitting too well with either warsaw or budapest to feel it may be targeted. it pretty much is targeted directly at them, but they aren't alone in not being happy with this move. but i've also known notion of propaganda clubs emerged in the european union deciding what the rule of law is and how it's broken from communist times. we know well how such clubs leaved we reject such tools because the rule of law is now being applied in the us. a scare tactic opposite of his true need on the rule of law should mean the right of states to reform themselves in accordance with treaties. and the constitution of numerous media outlets and some political groups in the european parliament are openly

threatening to use that instrument. wrong would term the rule of law in order to discipline individual human, but states those of us who spent part of our lives under total terror in regime no . the deviation from reality begins when process is institutions are given a name that reflects the exact opposite of the essence. it's no small change that poland and hungary are holding up though we're talking about 1.8, trillion euros, the budget for the next 7 years. that's the cash that supposed to launch the covert 19 recovery plan to build back better. also, the green initiatives on digital economy projects that were put forward as the big marquee goal on the line and her commission set out for their time in office. it doesn't look like it's going to go through any time soon. the deadlock is well pretty much locked as it stands as

a lot of work going to have to be done. if that new budget is going to be approved . if there's to be any breakthrough. when it comes to the future of migration policy in the e.u. european history professor power about a teeny, told us the e.u. increasingly resembles a super state trying to impose uniformity on its members. that's a sort of super power. we actually walk to the moon is not the empire, is not the central artistry and they should not be fully formed. is there who've gone out of your principle source. if you are ready, we are placed in major competition between the western side, which is the most powerful sort of the e.u. and include all the from germany and the rest of the european union to be european in the east. so all for these final

crowds have gathered for a tense day in the armenian capital vieira fan, demanding a prime minister's resignation over an unpopular peace. still with us or by john activists formed a human chain through the city center mean standoff with police and dozens of arrests. meanwhile, russian peacekeepers in the disputed nuke want to care about creech and have now taken up. all positions agreed earlier this month under the peace deal. and azerbaijani soldiers accompanied by those peacekeepers are now entering parts of the contested region, seated by on niña. so the russian break, the truce earlier this month, put an end to 7 weeks of deadly fighting in the contested mountainous region. under

the times, both armenia and azerbaijan will hold on to their recent gains, meaning that large swathes of new corner have now fallen. and as ari control, including the city of shashi, armenia also has to handover 3 other districts to baku. the loss of those areas has prompted many armenian residents to flee their homes, that taking move out, move all the longings and some of these and funtown that own houses rather than less and as a buy chinese. then, meanwhile, all the armenians all going back to nic will know car a box main city has to put a cut, which remains under that control. teams of russian rescuers. and i'll help a number tonne auntie's more. i doubt if reports who war may be over, but the humanitarian situation. instapundit yet is still done. scenes like this are repeated hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of times across the city. if left to

their root devices, look, emergency workers would be overwhelmed. this is why russia has sent help aside from peacekeepers who patrol the routes of the heights. russia will sue said civilian rescue is jeannie is been billed as the gauge the devastation and this to meet how much it will be required. it's neither easy nor quick. let's go for the next one. how many do you have on your list? oh, there are too many. how many have we visited today? about 50. neither is it pleasant. every creator has a story. every destroyed home has its goofs and with almost every visit, we hear again and again about how he were a she were all of them died. they were in this room 2 cousins and my grandmother. i was in the room over there, which wasn't destroyed. i fell of my bed, opened my eyes,

and only saw dust. it took me 5 minutes to crawl out the window. help has come from all over the world, humanitarian organizations, lukoil and russian rescuers catalogue ruin. after wreckage, our 1st task is to cover all the broken windows and glass, so people can survive the winter. it's some pleasant even scary. i had some role in the construction of many of these buildings is painful for the priority now is making carol a livable again, wreckage will be cleared later, but light damage has to be repaired. now people are doing what they can, plastering, move a smaller holes and covering empty window frames with plastic sheets. but there are a lot even for that. my house wasn't heat so bad. they've lost way for live below

the windows solid, but their homes, which suffered much worse, really can't complain. the city is slowly coming back to life. the shock of the war is wearing off and with every returning refugees. there is a sense that the city of state by the character has come back from the dead. but in every street there is a somber reminder that life will never be the same. and some people just can't come back. every day we drive by this house and it's a sad sight, every time a dog guarding a house that's been destroyed and the family. but isn't there more, i guess the of from the well brings out time together took place. thanks for sticking with off. come your way now a lot international. it's crosstalk. i

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and welcome to cross talk where all things are considered unbeatable. what can we expect from a bygone ministration when it comes to russia? as things stand today, relations are ever brought bottom biden's orbit is replete with hard liners in neo cons with a long record of foreign policy failure could relations continue to get worse to discuss this and more i'm joined by my guest,

michael o'hanlon in washington. he is a senior fellow and director of research in the foreign policy program at brookings, as well as author of beyond nato, a new security architecture for eastern europe, also in washington. we have brian becker, he's the executive director of the answer coalition. and in moscow we cross to maxine should go, he is an expert at the russian international affairs council originally crossed out rules in effect. that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it. ok, let me go to maxime 1st here in moscow. by all accounts, we're going to have a, by ministration in january. now, given the background of the russia gate hysteria hoax and the antipathy and really deep hatred of russia in the american political class and particularly the media here. what is, what is the kremlin expecting in january when it comes to american foreign policy towards your country go ahead 1st of all, i think their release.