no dares thinks we dare to ask them what brought them anywhere, but i'll go on or you will pull you out of bed and democracy and what about and i didn't do it will always be the good. is it also or know when to hold on a politician to keep it or don't or don't let you keep it come up, look to the through. you can see i'm not up to how i live and i'm mad at the game and the money to come because i'm not bad with the internet, but oh, november native. i say i love them there. i don't know what about nanami them,

but i will means has it and is about me hello and welcome to cross talk. we're all things are considered on peter lavelle with nothing really settled. some of trump's enemies want the president and his supporters to pay a price for the past 4 years. and hence in rumors of war as trump tries to bring troops home, some say he instead wants to start a war to

discuss these topics and more, i'm joined by my guest, george samueli in budapest. he's an author and you to work at the gaggle. and here in moscow, we're joined by robert french. he is, they are 2 writer and political analyst. right gentlemen, crossed out rules in effect, that means you can jump in anytime you want. and i was appreciate it. oh, he was going to georgia in budapest, or i suppose we're entering the baby political phase of revenge or not to revenge here. there are circles around biden that say that if he were, if and when he is inaugurated and doesn't want to pursue trump, but a considerable part of the base his base. and of course the media does because, well, trump is the gift that keeps on giving. i mean their ratings, they should think this president has the f.p. and when is leaving george, what is this? i mean, you know, they, they, they were criticizing the lack of transition, but what was they won't bomb a administrations transition to democracy?

probably the most you legal in american history. ok. and they but no, they want to punish people, the president and people around him, the last 4 years, kind of hypocritical. yes sir. does that are right. and what's really going on here is a practice that the united states has it engaged in for a number of years. it is not enough to defeat somebody. you merely a bad person, you have to punish that was done in order to teach others a lesson. and the lesson that has to be learned is that never, never, never go down this populist again. so that's why there's all this dog now. i mean, we've had articles in the new york times, new york of your books, the nation that we have to punish donald trump. i haven't quite figured out what it is. they're going to put him on trial for what crime did because of committed. but they know that he's a criminal, that kind of figure out later on what,

what are the crimes, once they subpoena, or his documents or his account, or his bank statements going back in the how many decades they're hoping that they're going to find something that they can put him on trial, or alternatively, just fine, want to import forever and bankrupt him. so what's, what's really going on here is just this, i'm attempting use the legal process to intimidate anyone so that any future possible trump the end will get the message. don't go down this path unless you want to end up bankrupt or imprisoned. you know, robert, if they want to go after trump and this, this rampage of raging river bend. that means are going after 73000000 people that voted for him. don't you think? absolutely. i think that's the understated danger here. and it could even be more than that if the election was as much of

a fraud is some people view that while as they're going to have to really share the lightly here. because there are a lot of you just have to go on twitter for example. i mean, it is like the modern version of war is unbelievable. the 2 sides, they don't talk to each other. and that's the mainstream media. they've completely blocked any news from, from the right. it's unbelievable how they're getting away with it. i know myself, i mean, i'm not even in the united states right now, but i feel the fury that i'm sure millions of americans are feeling. i keep my fear on twitter, and it's out of all the anger and the rage to be, to have a leader and they're not even talking about the fact that, that, you know, you can't, you can't even get in is a vile of the fact that they're contesting the outcome of the most consequential election in u.s. history. you cannot find news about this anywhere. it's been totally by rudy

giuliani had his press conference with a group of his the goal of an hour. you couldn't find it anywhere. c.n.n. was that mess and it was i think fox news covered it for you know, their 10 minutes in parts. this is going the way of the establishment and the status quo. and so it's really, i think, you're right peter. i think it's really, it's very dangerous what they're doing. they're playing a role game. the american people need to be interesting for me. george is that this is a continuation because as i alluded to in my 1st question to you is that there's no end. there's an no curiosity about the surveillance of the trump orbit and campaign, and even as he was going into the oval office, so that, that in those are facts that don't perpetuate there. there are designs on power and the same thing is happening and they want to ignore things in focus on others. and

if you want, if you believe in the rule of law, you should be picking you. you can't cherry pick these things that you have to have some kind of consistency, or people are going to lose interest in faith in these institutions. and this is something that i've been saying since the start of the trumpet ministration is that they're destroying institutions by cherry, picking the facts, quote unquote, facts that, that serve their purposes and power desires. yes, yes, no question about that. if you remember when just before the election, president trump had his interview with leslie, soul of c.b.s. . and he brought up the subject that my campaign was spied on by the obama administration. she flat out denied it because i never didn't know all the material that has come out. everything that we know about the carter page we've known about michael flynn advice of own in the obama oval office. the meetings that peter

struck all that? no, i didn't. so this is highly paid. celebrity journalism is no, we didn't. and that has been the attitude of the media. you give them information, you give them material, you give me it. is this minutes of this meeting? oh no, we're just not going to pay any attention to it. you know, who are you going to believe these documents or your lying eyes? so the same thing is happening now. people are swearing affidavits affidavit, our legal documents. i mean, there's a you, you, you swear an affidavit and the pen penalty of perjury and they, as wearing affidavits that they have seen or elicit goings on during this election . media pay no counter, no evidence, no evidence, no evidence that they keep repeating. and as they say, and this is really disastrous because come january 20th, if biden is indeed swallow and, and right away they got half the country will say he is not my president. he is not here by fraud or a member. did they in the,

the disappointing thing for me is that it is george said in his 1st answer, you know, trump is guilty, we just have to find the crime. i mean, it's a very stalinist approach to the legal system here. but i mean in the case of hunter, by, for example, where there is forensic forensic evidence and you can read e-mails, you can see pictures, you can, you can, you know, see information about wire transfers of large sums of money conversations. and that, that is real evidence, but in the case of trump, they have to try again, like the 4 years of his presidency, you have to keep, you know, there's a guilty verdict, then you just have to find the charges and they don't apply the same standard the standard is different for donald trump and his orbit, and then someone, for example, the son of joe biden. you didn't go back to the presidency of george bush, for example. barack obama has just basically were criminals. they opened up doors

that didn't need to the open, committed atrocities, basically libya, iraq, when we go into syria, he came the nobel peace prize winners. so what do they want? you know, the nation peace. i just read they were talking about going after trump in the very 1st thing they were talking about was going after him for his relationship with stormy daniels. this is, this is desperate as they are to get this guy out of office. they're going to do absolutely everything that you know. but he said before, as we said before, that there is a risk. they're going to force too hard as there are more than probably a 1000000 americans who support the guy. but on the other hand, they view him, you don't from as an existential threat to themselves, to this the swamps of the so-called deep state, if you will. and that's what he promised to do from the beginning. he promised them

out and we take them out legally. so now they're, they're in, they're in for what we're doing. you know, to both of you here. i mean, i agree with your sentiment, robert, but he didn't get them out. as a matter of fact, he had quite a few of them ins in his administration and that is on him. ok, that's on him. and his a human resources policy is that mr. nunn many unmitigated disaster for his administration. george, i mean again, i know you feel probably very much a samey up and someone like john bolton, you have jared cushion or? i mean, what does he know about middle east politics? ok. you know, they can be the deal of the century air. i mean, and this is on him as well. you know, at the same time, there is a certain deference to former presidents. ok. and i can point out to both of you when our viewers trumpet ministration. go after hillary. no. yeah,

that's right. i think that was really the problem from the stock with donald trump and he was, he didn't make the drastic changes that he promised. and instead hired a whole bunch of people who are part of the swamp. i mean, john bolton, my compare the jaric cushion, a son in law, giving him ridiculous advice of the middle east and just about everything else. and you know, he had a time to go to the rallies and he would still sound all the themes of 20160 and bring the interventions to an end. we're going to, you know, focus on america for us. but he didn't really carry it out. and i think that really did him in, in this election. it could have done a lot better. but instead he had a mixed message which confused people. and that is why he alternately, you know, been, do what he should have done. you know, i mean, and on top of it he had the entire, almost the entire media landscape against him. ok. which, you know, again, again,

i'd like to reiterate. i mean, for mainstream media, he was a godsend. i mean, i mean, cnn's appears to be on the block, some they need to sell it 18, he needs to sell it. ok. and the only thing that kept their revenues buoyant was donald trump. and that's why robert, for me, you know, it in the, there's a calculus right here to go after trump or not to go after trump, because there's, so there's not just political interests here, or political values here. there's a lot of money in it. i mean, robert going after trump outside of the, the oval office is a grift, a huge bridge to ok. keep it going, keep it going. but as i said, you risk alienating how the country finish up for us, robert. oh, yeah. and now they're pushing about war and everything like that, whether or not she's going out in the round, for example. talk about money that's, that's really worth what the media wants more than anything right now is the united

states since in civil war with iran. and that's one thing he deprived a lot, a lot of money over the years. are the money he stole a lot of the military equipment, but let's face it. there's no greater way to make money than war. and he bribed the love that i. that's one thing i think, or i know i'm like, i think trump gave the military more money than any other president here. all right, gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break on some real and stay with art, is your media a reflection of reality? in a world transformed? what will make you feel safe?

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only. let's go back to budapest, george. there's an interesting article in the new york times titled trump options for attacking iran to stop its probably nuclear program. ok, i mean that when you take trump out of the headline, that's a headline. you could read 20 years ago, 20 years, you could be reading that and you know, what was really interesting for me is that it's the madman they read. that nixon, that is attributed to nixon, is that, you know, he's what the media with the new york times is claiming is that he's a madman wanting to attack iran, just as he's a madman to take troops out of the middle east. you see how they've tied them together. it's really fascinating. i have to say for these dimwits they came up with the interesting variation to george. very interesting variation of, if you read that new york times article, it's clearly a total fraud. because i have this opening paragraph, which is they had the nuclear inspectors, they said they're currently,

iran has more nuclear material that it's supposed to have under the j.c.b. away. and they said trump about options from his advices. this in the very next census morphed into him and his advisors had to dissuade him from attacking iran. there's nothing. there's no evidence whatsoever that he was planning to attack iran. but then york times present it in that way because no one is going on the record, all anonymous that he had to be looked, whereas all he's doing is what any president would do. ok because as advisors, one of my options he had to be dissuaded. and of course it's very important of how the new york times and other me outlets are presenting this because they know that pulling troops out is politically very popular with voters. extremely unpopular with the media and the washington policymaking elite so they can ok,

we'll get the 2 together and suggest know what trump is doing is not pulling troops out from lots of countries which would make him popular and his opponents unpopular . no. what is really doing is planning a new war. so you watch out, you like trying but no, no, no, he's actually planning a new war. so it's a total froth. this is the fly by line article incidentally 5 by any i know. but i notice that i noticed that everybody wanted to get on board without one here. you know, robert. the interesting thing is that the media has never been able to address this . and in the end, an honest way is that these foreign adventures, endless war, stupid wars, expensive wars, are simply not popular with the public. and trump, and, you know, it gets down to maybe what his political calculus is whenever he may be. the white house is that he wants to be able to say, i tried to keep my promises,

but it was the deep state that deny me me achieving those goals. and now what you have is the, you have in this case of the new york times, twisting that around as if you ran in troop withdrawal or have anything in common. they don't actually have anything in common, but they create they, they create this narrative and they fabricate this narrative as if they are the same thing. go ahead robert. 'd what really struck me about the new york times of new york times writers were they were low for anonymous sources or writers and they had it's amazing and they wonder why the print media become so expensive. why does it ever taken 5 journalists to write one piece? that's only not but you get, we're not, i don't, i wouldn't, i would fully suspect, given president here is that it was, it was written by a deep state property and they just put their name on it. ok. because that's essentially what this particularly the case, that particular case when it comes to national security issues, it

a rough draft is provided and then put their stamp on it. but, you know, robert, you know, staying with you. again, the media has never been able to get their head around the fact that these wars are very unpopular. i mean, i can remember someone making a joke with me and it was a very sick joke. is that after the invasion of iraq that, you know, c.n.n. was already with all the graphics, all they had to do was change one letter to iraq. ok, because it's good for ratings, the way they see those beautiful missiles, probably the most disgusting thing ever said. i'm n.b.c. news, winner of syria. it was being in the early attack here. so i mean the, there's an appetite for war because it's good for ratings they think, but it's not a vote getter and trump intuitively understood that. and we have to say, you know, for all the faults and i talk to george very often here. he didn't start a new war. i think want him to have the perception by the public that he doesn't keep his promises. and then essentially he's a madman. it's essentially

a way of you moralize using him of wanting a war, which actually why one of the reasons the site from closing the border with mexico was to stop these senseless wars. so you have this, these rumors, i mean, this is, you know, a moment of opportunity as well. you know, the trump right now and his administration there, are there bogged down trying to find a way through fraud corruption in the election. the last thing that they're going to be able to do right now it's come out and waste time trying to disprove a near new york times piece. and they spent enough time of that. so yeah, and i think for another thing is the probably trying to put on i've been on a crash course kind of the same way that they did with trump. when he was coming into office, they just obliterated relations. the process. i think they're trying to do the same thing, probably lives of the crash course. but i want to crash course in the iran,

exactly as they did with, you know, sean, in russia in 2006. he, you know, there's this, there is something to that, george. i mean, you know, for the, the ruling elites, particularly in the media and all through the g.o.p. and the democratic party is they, they have this phobia in they, they always pull it out when it's, when they, i mean, to be politically useful for them. there's the one thing, one of the theories and this ridiculous article is that it's make trouble for biting. and in the early days of his administration, you know, when you look at the foreign policy of the united states is that towards rent for 40 years, it's amazingly bipartisan. but every once in a while they pull it out for as a political cudgel. your thoughts have there it is very amusing what you just mentioned about that theory in the new york times article because it was a clear case of projection because that was exactly what people bombing administration did to don't trump, in this very last days,

it expelled russian diplomats imposed sanctions, knowing that it, that it was boxing in its success. so it won't know, this is what trump is probably planning on with by them. when iran, you're absolutely right about the policy of but there is this democratic mindset right now. i mean, the democrats just, you know, they, they just march in lockstep, you know, whatever, whatever the subject you know, once they've given their orders, right? everybody, you say the same thing all the time. and so, because it was obama who signed the jay c.p.o. way, all the democrats are supposed to say yes, yes, yes, the j.c.b. 08 is great. even though the democratic party did dot all support the j.c.b. away and which is why obama was unable to wrap it. by so that's right, that's on the right now. they say, you know, no, we mustn't do anything bad toward iran because that's trump's policy. whereas we're with obama. but yeah, i mean,

i think that in this case it's clear that what they're trying to do is to frighten trump's vote, is to make them abandon trump of this moment saying, oh my look, look, this is what you want. your man's going to do. he's not empty interventionists, he wants to get into a war, so forget about him, just dump him not to come up with the ugly that we're going to like. but george, i mean simple logic would dictate if you look over what's happened over the last 4 years and said, let's say for example, trump wants a war with the rent. you know, what in the deed state, given his 4 years would do anything about it. ok, they just take the papers office desk here. i mean, it is so when chris, you know this, these ideas that they are pushing here is that trump the other side of the story is of course the troop withdrawal. and how difficult has it been for him to do that? so robert, you know, assuming that, you know, trump is out there

a wanting to start a war. i mean, it wouldn't be for the left and the deep states benefit, they'd never let him do it. so i mean, what was the whole point of the article in the 1st place except except for trying to intimidate and scare and befuddle trying to supporters go ahead robert? well, i think another reason could just be distracting from the fact that they're just not covering election fraud. and this is, this is really the new story of robert. i mean, i just want to say allegations of election fraud. ok. when our parents were there, her face in the looks is not here. and i think that this is just another distraction from the media cover to cover their trail to cover up the fact that they have been just visible when it comes to covering this a legit reported crime. the american people don't come to some fund realization that elections are, are legitimate,

and they can be verified and they're transparent. then you just basically just buy american democracy. it's the guy after next year if that's what happened. so there has to be an investigation in the media as part of that part of the process. of course, we need to have investigative journalism looking into this, looking into these example dominion's systems. the fact that the process is going through overseas, onto its site all, and now we've got an alert unlike another such and such an article, allegedly robert allegedly let's be honest, are really, i don't know because, you know, as i've said to george many, many times election fraud in american politics is legendary. it's part of the system here, but it has to be proven yet. and, and my point to you is that every single claim should be listened to investigated. and on top of it, i think the media should take much more interest and the people that should take the most interested in is, are the people around by, you know,

step up and let's clear this up. there are timelines, there are rules, and there's still plenty of time to get everything on track. ok, but i agree with your assessment here. if they are not taken seriously, then you know, the, the people's belief in this institution is going to wane in. it's in pretty bad shape right now. george, you want to give me love for 45 seconds. i mean, again, going back to this new york times story is that it's really a triumph of the neo cons. you know, they get both ways. they've got both parties have captured both parties and the media. they are the biggest winner after all this. exactly, because of course, we know from the entirety of the record of the trumpet ministration, that whenever trump wanted to withdraw forces, whether from syria from afghanistan, even from germany. that was how it was of indignation in washington and among the media. my god, this is the most lunatic thing you can see while withdrawing. pulls no anywhere without they turn it around and say no, no, no, you know, trump is a really, he's

a war monger, he's not somebody who wants to draw down. also, that's all. it is a complete the fraud. and i have to jump and you run it, but the number of overawed served up by the media are excellent. that's all the time we have. i want to thank my guests here. must go and do the best. i want to thank our viewers watching as you're remember, the world is driven by the day thinks we dare to ask

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