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driven apart. how can you help us navigate the and charter waters of the post? i ask misha dollar professor in wireless communications at king's college london mission dollar professor in wireless communications and kids college london. great to have you with us. all right, so much to do 3 g. 4 g. . i mean, i don't remember any of them creating such a sensation as 5 g. networks and they say that 5 g. is truly a game changing set up in the quality of connection. why is it so, i mean, with that grates to speed and upwards to really be later before. why now, why, why such fuzz? yes, that is a good question you're raising and then it's, it's really, it's really curious to see of consumers will react really to the speed improvement of 5 g. . because you know, if we go on with a generation from 2 g. to 5 g. every time we improve the download speed and the upload speed by a factor of 10,

sometimes 100, which is really great. but what consumers care that they can download. now it, you know, and it flicks movie whatever and 3 seconds rather than 10 seconds. i'm not so sure . you know the bad with this really good and 5 g., . but i think what is really the exciting feature of i.g.s. the very low lock in c. . so it's the time you know, between you typing a website and pressing enter and then getting the response back. now what's for human may not be so important for web sites and all this, but for anything which requires, let's say video and gauge men or women. sheens need to talk to each other. this little latin sees a real, real game changer. and i think will power a lot of totally private and sinopoli patients will use a 5 g. will give us the so-called tactile internet being able to touch, which is obviously fantastic news for people like me. some george and i like to hug and touch and keys, and it was been deprived of all of those things during

a pandemic. but tell me how exactly is it going to work? so the tattling it and in fact refer, is really very well locked in sea network. so i've been pioneering another internet which is called the net of skills, which allows you to transmit skills through the internet security. we can only transmit video or audio or text files. now imagine a future where actually it can do something for the unit. wouldn't that be great? and that includes also the touch. interesting to watch, you know, we do that with that haptic gloves. there's quite a bit of evidence on the internet on this, how i use that. and we apply that for instance, in broad except jury is one of the applications where a surgeon would do the robotic surgery remotely and would use. i have to glove to feel what he or she is actually, you know, agree with your operation. so we see a lot of potential is there, but you need other equipment apart from that very powerful 5 g.

network. but how long till we all have tech talent in our homes. so that depends really on the each country. so 1st of all of course, the regulation needs to be favorable, the spectrum needs to be released. so 5 g. will look work without, you know, did a direct spectrum and place then the investment needs to be in place. because the 4 g. equipment needs to be upgraded to 5 g. . and a consumer appetite in the industry appetite needs to be ready. so we see, you know, different phases in asia, for instance, we see the regulatory framework very, very favorable, investment favorable and consumers generally take it up very quickly. so there we will probably buy 2023. we will have a fair and consistent rollout of it. you know,, 5 g. technology in the u.k., it's a little bit later so you know, i 2025 probably will have a very consistent rollout now of you know, fool full if they all the possible well we'll need to see great depends on this relationship between the 3 factus. well,

i understand you're more focused on the technical side of things, but being able to not just see your visa, but also like touch them despite being thousands of miles apart. how will do this transformed human communication? i guess what i'm asking is, how will the virtual version of face to face or hand to hand actually compete with their real life experience and real people? that's a great question and i personally believe there will be a shift 3 and i have experienced that myself. so i gave the world's 1st 5 g. concert where i was playing piano on the rubble or touring berlin and my daughter. she was singing in london. the guildhall and we were separated by a 1000 kilometer this and yet 5 g. brought us together within a few milliseconds and it felt as if she was with me. and that is really what will be the game changer that little lock and suit will create. the sensation of

immediacy will essentially synchronize realities will go beyond a minute, reality, oh, virtual reality rule. go in the world all reality. and we as humans, we're good for, you know, millions of years to build up an emotional void. and when the communication happens within 10 milliseconds and stipends zoom and all that after destroying that because it takes about 260000000 seconds just for us to talk. now, if we are together in the same room, you know, this emotional bond between us is very different, and 5 g. will bring this back. so i think there will be a muscle shift, you know, to what is additional tools? remote working, changing demographics and all that will be powered within the 1st test by 5 g. . so right now communication over the internet is basically looking at the screen saying your image with the speeds offered by 5. g. will the 2 d. paradigm change. and what i'm asking is that, like,

are we going to get like starstruck hologram, colace or lake, you know, virtual reality streams through sky. so i'm in reality is actually, you know, already a reality with holographic combination is really, is really very close. in fact, you know, the very 1st smartphones are being released just off ones like these, where you're holding like that, where you use another phone, essentially as a, as an intermediate screen and you see a whole rafique images. now if you think that in the future, we could use our allocations, which i have on my phone for this is called clone. i do a holographic scan off my face and that is then being projected into their future zoom type of capitally. so we could, which will do you have a fully holographic 3 d., fully immersive meeting happening with that being physically together. and that's a future which is coming very quickly. he also said that the 5 g. speeds and the new networks ability to networks, ability to send touch over the internet will transform the education altogether.

what do you mean? exactly? so i just cation, it's clearly the learning part of so learning new, new skills. and so far we have great learning platforms, but they are all video or text based, right. and if you want to have something more practical hands on, this is the surgeons at king's or the dentists that kings need to come to king's college in london to learn how to do the surgery, how to do the drilling of the t. . now the future with the n.f. skills and using this little lot of c 5 g. capital. and he allows us now suddenly to offer alerting platforms where you can learn these how date skills, you know, the tach in the muscle movement for the internet. and that will allow us to skill up at scale, you know, any, any type of professional care, think of where you need a more practical slant to that. and in addition, you can suddenly run examinations which are not any more subjective to what the exam in a series, but actually subjective in terms of how this sojourn student moves that and how,

how he or she does those things. so we can will suddenly not only power the learning process, but also the examination process. and if you check, well you mentioned remote surgeries. how reliable is 5 gene that respect? yes, actually we started talking about this specifically me with practice group. there was a pioneer of robotic surgery and it happens to be a king. so we started the whole field. and, you know, initially i got a lot of, you know, a lot of reservations also from the press and that made, you know, god was very quick as i say, because it's now becoming mainstream on offer a shell in china. it's been started to be used during the fight. you have designed 5 to be very reliable. so we talk in terms of reliability and how many nines b.i.v. are percentages you have it is very reliable. but still we need to build it as a restriction that if there's a package out that you know the robot on doesn't move in the way it weighs. so we,

this is being done from a, from a robotics point of view. we also need to make sure that security is very reliable because you don't want anybody to back into it alive or what exposure e. and then cause havoc. so we have quite a bit of work still to be done to really make sure that these systems are reliable . and what else can be sort of tele sized with, i mean, you talk a lot about playing live music over the internet with no lag. that's a bonus. what else? i mean, could we use it to talk about medicine? i'm also looking a lot into the arts. so i work with a lot of a lot of artists and i'm a composer myself and a performing pianist. so the question is, could we democratize the way how we essentially perform the arts, how we teach the arts, you know, anybody in the world how to play the piano, or somebody teaches me how to paint. so these type of capital of these, you know, will be very important, but specifically i think, oh, it brought it back with the,

with the a stop autists in that they need a rethink on how to off these are, you know, it's a mess of kind of experiences in a way which is different juju, people coming and going to the stadium and listening to them. could you for instance, enter remotely control a construction site. the future is i envisage that for the future to be exactly like that. so you would have a fairly cheap or out lead with possibly an exhaust skeleton, which is then being controlled especially remotely from any other part of the world . and we have demonstrated a very, very exciting use case which wasn't with construction per se, but very similar. and that was with the drone. so we had a 5 g. drawn in the majority of 5. g. drones has a 5 g. connection just to the drone. we did something else, we connected the control of the drone, you know, to the united states for a 5 g.'s slice, as we call it, it went all the way back from the rise and shoot e.p.

c, and then only control to drill. so what we wanted to show is that this future of skills using 5 g. technology allowed us to control a very critical process, flying a very big industrial drone from anywhere in the world to anywhere else in the world. so therefore, these type of publications will hopefully become mainstream, maybe in 5 to 10 years time. so basically liking 10 years time, you can orchestrate a whole war, right. i mean, how, like italo warfare planes and tanks and attack helicopters and such, you know, we hope this will not happen and certainly it will. he says it never happens without that part yet. and progress that we chiefly, it always is tain with that part with, you know, you have probably your rights. i have to reason with you use the technology, you know, always bit to some degree used for, for the west part of humanity. a lot of that will actually append on our camp abilities will shoot up official intelligence in so it's not only 5 g.

in robotics, it needs to be a lot of ai involved in currently a global scale. they's a lot of discussions around you know, panels of the government handles, ethics regulation and requirements on ai. so i think, you know, our ability as a humanity just stopped this to be used. you know, within wars within conflicts, i think really recites these panels and i hope there will be fruitful over the next years. 'd to show then take a break right now while we're back will continue talking to wireless communications at king's college london, talking about the 5 g. and the prospects it holds for us. stay with us as the drug administration comes one, then those who dreamed up in executing the russia gate hoax ever be held

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and we're back with mischa dollar professor in wireless communications and king's college london, talking about this 5 g. since we started talking about the downfall of our technological breakthroughs, let's talk a bit about the darker side of the internet and what will happen to that part. we, have 5 g. i mean, do you feel like we're going to have more sophisticated spy and surveillance systems in the internat? whatever it is, it was we're fighting it right now, right? where we well know that we lost our privacy was going to happen with live as it is, it is a good question. and i think, you know, the consumers in general, of the general should be concerned about this. and they have all the right to be informed. now as you well know, maybe you don't know that, but you know,

the ability for a legal access to the infrastructure has already been there is. so if you as a governmental, as a judge or as a police or any other investigators have a legal war and to access the data in a 3 g. 4 g. or 5 g. system, this was always possible. in fact, this is even a standardized trade. so it is no secret there. now in terms of illegal acts, ok, so basically the ability to hack into this, whether this is a government state on malicious octo or just some judge doing acking into in 5 g. . you know, because it is a fully software. i system, in principle this could become a little easier. but at the same time what we have done is we have also improved the security of the fine gene for structure. so therefore we're doing the best we can to protect that infrastructure from that type of malicious access. so i also wonder what kind of like mobile techs, advancements will be spurred by the new speeds of g 5. like, how will a 5 g.

change the mobile phone? because when we had like 3 g. or forging networks, the mobile phone makers rose up to new possibilities and there was no point in making like a smartphone with a huge screen before. because you can really stream anything through slow internet . what about now? how do you think it's going to transform? is a great, great question. you're asking and it's, you know, that actually reminds me of the sentence which comes 1st. but the form off she digs out of ericsson, the current chief executive officer, rise and said, you know, we started designing 3 g. when the internet wasn't around. and we started designing 4 g. when the, when of this often was there. and so equally, you know, what's now 560, why are we doing that? and you're right, and i think, you know, the final g. cap abilities bring you back to an earlier part of the conversation. a lot is a lot of this holographic and you know, this is a matter of reality transmission. and therefore we need to adapt actually the phones and there are a lot of prototyping going on. and i wouldn't be surprised if you know,

i phone wire up for you. 1516 will have the capital of the form yet. you have the whole graphic image of you senshi as we speak so much more naturally and gauge line . and also people who are actually on vibrations. so this have to feed when you shop something, you go over the screen and you touch it and it vibrates. and depending whether that is a piece or board away that is, you know, up close your bias. you can feel on your smartphone, what actually you know, you see on your screen. so these type of revolutions will essentially being enabling accelerated through that 5 g. to knology, you know, with this starling project within a few decades. a mask is playing to send $40000.00 satellites to space that would be able to bring free high speed, low latency internet to even the most remote areas on earth. do you see starling as a competitor to 5 g. those studies? it is a great complementary to knology, so you don't particularly, you know,

we struggle from a telecom point of view to give business cases which allow us to roll out this knowledge with the same intensity in an rural and suburban areas. as we do that in the, in the, in the urban areas. so therefore, to have a cap ability, which allows has really a global e ensure coverage no matter where you are, whether in the outback, in australia or you in siberia or you know, in the rain forest, you know, still maintain a phone connection. i think that is very, very attractive and it really underpins that global footprint of our wireless technology. nearly half of the world's population right now don't have access to the internet whatsoever. let alone 5 g. or 3 g. and according to unesco, more than 800000000 students kept out of the classrooms due to the pin demick and they have no computers. and more than 700000000 don't even have internet at home. and since 5 g. can't solve this problem,

will it only widen the gap between those 2 axes, the new high speeds and those without any access to it? so intentionally, that could be the case. if the government does not do governments around the world don't intervene, you know, from a regulatory point of view. so quite a few governments, including in the united kingdom point out is a requirement for the 5 g. license to show sufficient for print in the rural areas which cow essentially views on the privileged coverage area. now that, that's one part of the 5 g. also is not only about highest speed. so interesting to some of the frequencies we have using our to very low frequencies, which he used to be as you know, what you really just needed one bit antenna tower in the city. and it would have a pension with quite a wide area. so therefore, we would get, you know, not the super duper change bits per 2nd. 5 g. speeds everywhere. but we would have at least a decent coverage. nick schools to connect people who want to learn from platforms,

you know, like you to me or corsair out. so i think 5, she gives us that opportunity, but it has to be made, right. the economic case has to be there. and hopefully, you know, the likes of a lot of must, will then also cover the remaining of these underprivileged areas. so here's the thing lake with a 5 g. not even rolled out yet. there is already taco 60. what's that going to be like?, and also like the way you describe 5 g., it just sounds so ultimately could possibly be improved in the new generation. so as an academic, of course, we always looking ahead in fact, you know, we were done fighting as of 2012. so it was 8 years in may. and naturally, you know, we started working on 60 back to, you know, 9 months ago. and the good thing is, you know, we have a trend in telecoms,, which is fairly steady. so as we go from 2 to 3, to 4 to 5 g., you know, we always improve something by one of 2 orders of magnitude and 60 will be no different. so i know how it looks like. i know what time of the data rate office,

what type of feature office write. the thing we don't know is yet why do we do that? and how are we going to going to do it, right. so we carry, work out roughly how we're going to do it. and in a while we're going to thought thinking why we're doing it. and one thing i could imagine is you know that some of that network capacity or cap ability in 6, she will be used mobile for 4 machines, fought efficient televisions to maintain essentially, you know, itself. so the sizing structures and that is the hypotheses which we need to validate if you use time. so well, there are always be attentive data waiting to be moved around quickly. and that's like requiring constant new generation tech for a conic to vittie, or will there be like at some point, some kind of a g. like 7 g. or a $23.00 g. are no after which we'll say ok, we've got the internet working now. no heat for a new network. that is being the right person who is the 1st one to advocate. if

you know that generation is solid, as i call that will stop at some point and i had hoped it would start with fire, keep it clear. we're going on and the reason i thought i would stop with 5 g. is because we have completely software as the infrastructure. in fact, if you think about it, telecoms is probably the only big ecosystem in a place which still moves in these big generations. every 10 years, ok, if you think of the internet, you don't hear of 5 genome at all 10 genomic, right? because we are, everything is on software. so innovation happens much quicker and happens in feature x. rayed. and therefore, we hope to translate that feature of the aleutian, you know, into the telco world and find you may not be yet the generation to do it. i think 60 can do it in 7. g. i think will be more cell. so this is network a.g. will consolidate it, so i think a.g. will be radio. a lot of will be talking about maybe you know,

the 30 decided we can come back to this discussion. we'll see. oh ok. so even before the condemning, there have been a lot of conspiracy theories about health risks. 5 g. may be causing it. but once the pandemic struck, i mean their number has increased time fold, and dozens of 5 g. towers were birthed in the u.k. and elsewhere around the world. scientists have many times stated that she cannot cosco that another house conditions as well, but false rumors about it continue to spread. why is it wise to witness such a lake? black clouds of bad rumors around so i've never seen that before. well, you know, interesting. we have every generation, so, you know, if we had a 3 g., we have pulled you, we have a 5 g., but there's a difference now to be 14 for each year out. we have a, a social media world, which is, you know, not only exponentially connecting everybody, but people have really become addicted to this very kind of conspiracy clear bait

material. and you need to contrast that to the fairly boring engineering videos, which out this say, you know, nothing can happen and you understand why this goes viral. so, and i maintained for a long time already we, as an engineering community, we need to be a need to do better, to explain to society why the technologies safe. and you know,, before we find out 5 g., this was like, you know, years of making almost a decade and making and there's a whole body responsible for doing nothing else. but checking whether the frequencies can do any on the body is a very non sexy language. perhaps it's in the national committee for long. i and i sing already ation protection. if you go to the website, explains it really well. why any of these frequencies we use and 5 g. can cannot cause any harm. it's a very rigorous methodology. and in terms of code it interestedly, you know, people confuse correlation with causalities. so one is when 2 things happen at the

same time. and the that is what happens while. so will you find the areas where you have both end kovac to das. yes, there are a lot of those, you know, will have 5 g. course that the answer is no, because there are countries like iran where there is no. 5 g. rolled out at all. we had a lot of cars allergies and loads of the areas in the u.k. or anywhere else in the world where there is no 5 g. deployed. and yet we have quite a few cars are causalities there. so therefore, always make sure you don't confuse correlation with causality. because really one does not cause the other. can public outrage stahl research? i mean, can people's erratic behavior and conspiracy theories have an impact on your research into the conduct of a so. ok, that's a difficult question for me, johnson. it's a very hypothetical question. so i think we, we continue doing the research we need to do to vons, you know,

technology evolves society and i think what will change and what i'm actually personally pushing for that is to make sure that we get the message, right? so when 60 comes along that well before 6 years released, we have enough really interesting material made available, which explains to society why this is a safety knology. why that is a good technology and why we think it will really be important to society. so i think that politics of the exercise will change as, a result of this very viral kind of, you know, outbreak we have seen with 5 g., which i thank you so much for this really interesting insight into the world of conic to vittie. and the breakthroughs that were in for in the nearest future. and i hope all the best in your future endeavors and your research into the high tech. thanks a lot. thank you. just then

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