tv Cross Talk RT November 30, 2020 12:30am-1:00am EST
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designing awards that are still being fought and they're being but in the liberal media is cheering them as if there's some kind of an enlightenment after darkness. ok, obviously the donald trump is the darkness in their mind. but there's a lot of continuity here and i think this is what's really terrifying. and we have election cycle after election cycle where the public says they're sick and tired of these wars. but it doesn't seem to have much of an impact on the professional manager class that runs what i call the foreign policy block. a get away, patrick. you're right to point out peter about the continuity. there's a, if you look back in history, there's a tremendous continuity of u.s. foreign policy from the ministration to administration. it's a slow moving elephant. it doesn't change much between administration, but it did change for the last 4 years. this is probably the trump administration, probably the biggest break in terms of continuity of u.s. foreign policy in my lifetime. and the way that i could remember and many others.
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so there is, there was a break in continuity. and i think that break was born out of the political will, of the american people electing a populist president. and so the, it triggered an auto immune reaction from the establishment in america. that was the media is well, so with bought with, if biden assumes power, let's assume he's going to take the reins in january. then the democrats are going to have the media on their side for everything. there will be no holding them to account. it will just be kind of a cheering section, much like it was for 8 years under obama and you, you can see where that led the u.s. and led the world, which was one of the darkest periods, in my opinion. in geo political history, this president started a numerous amount of new wars from yemen, dismembered yemen, dismembered, do you crane? dismembered libya, nearly dismembered syria, if not for the help of syria's allies, russia, and iran. so,
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but now they're going to have a chance to resume some of those projects. i mean, but they'll also in terms of continuity, they will look at what true the trunk framework is and, and most likely work with it. trump has allowed the democrats in this sense to be more hawkish, let's say, against iran than the obama administration was. i see that is going to continue the appointment of jake sullivan recently as a national security adviser at the tender age of 43 years old. he's just a child. well and we have to remember, let me go to demon here and take silva, who was one of the great cheerleaders of the russia gate conspiracy hoax. so this is the resumes that the liberal media is cheering on here. when we look at me, lincoln, lincoln, he is one of the architects of the breakup of yugoslavia. lot of people don't know that he was in the white house when, when, when libya was destroyed and has regrets that a bomb,
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it didn't do more to intervene in the international proxy war in syria here. so it's much of the same. it's kind of like an obama $2.00, but the difference his demeanor here is that the neil cons have been able to trans migrate into both major parties and most importantly, into the media. it's a close circle. now go ahead. you are exactly right. you have whatever you call them all to anybody else. now anybody else? you have them inside both parties on unfortunately, you know what was really bad. on the trial, there was a leg, just wait, your phrasing. walk, create it. so whoever it is, then you will secretary of state. where is it? then you will say, representative from the u.n. . they're going to act even there. they just made you framework left by the table congress. you know, the congress under mr. trump introduced, thinks right concert,
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which actually it kind of institutionalize us, a kind of hybrid war against russia. just imagine these people obliged their american state to keep track of rich people in russia who have connections to the government, their families, you know, to, to pursue them basically around the world. well, that was basically a legislative declaration of war for many years. so unfortunately, the new demonstration, whoever joins us is going to act inside that framework. but you know, what really struck me was the fact that despite the fact that 74000000 at least 74000000 americans voted for trump, there is no respect for them. there is no excuse for go by it and you know, some people call hugo bottom. i think it's a very, it's a very good name because basically he didn't say that he would alter a bomb us politicians because 74000000 people voted for trump, you know, and that's despite his program saying, you know, this build back better come,
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how does it start? nobody has maurice back to the job biden, or the walking women and men who get up every day to build and sustain this country . well, 74000000 of these people voted for someone else. tell them something, you know, tell them how you're going to be different from above. and joe biden just said, and i lost in my lifetime, so you are going to have to, but that's all the excuses. he taps. and that's the point. you know, nothing will fundamentally change that. you know, that is the message you're, you know, you know, patrick, one of the things i lament most in this election cycle is that it was, and i think you and i've been watching politics from a very young age, was completely devoid of policy. so we were doing on this program right now trying to internally by foreign policy if he is inaugurated one of my foreign policy would be through people that he's picking to be in his cabinet because, well, joe didn't seem very much during the campaign other then he didn't like trump's
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tweets anymore, mask was the long and short of it. no, no, you're right. so the big, what's going to be the big difference in terms of democrats versus republicans? i want to put the trump in this train into a republican basket tradition. but let's just say for argument sake is the tool box . the democrats have a certain tool box. they'll shuttle in all the same people, the architects, samantha power, susan rice, all the responsibility to protect crowd. that's their tool box, it's human rights, it's emotive narratives. it's refugees, it's we need to save the people we need to intervene and so they will sort of roll this out. the media absolutely has trained for this. c.n.n. is built for that. basically all the ngo frameworks, that's part of their tool box. the language that they'll use, it will be a humanitarian and a kinder, gentler form of, for lack of a better term, imperialism that we saw under obama. and that's how the democrats roll. right,
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patrick, i think when it green with me, that inside that tool box that i think you described is to be 2 missing words. international law. great. right. no, it will be international norms. oh ok. well, will be, it will be the, the rules based international order. that's their, that's their language. that's the same language that you'll see coming out of the g. 7. this will be repeated by britain. the democrats tend to work through multilateral organizations, like nato, to do their, you know, prosecute wars, for instance, because it gives them kind of, you know, public relations cover or waters down there sort of culpability. obama did this in libya too. great a great skill. and so does, this is what you'll see. the u.n. will become more in the forefront in terms of humanitarian issues and intervention . so you have the liberal, international, interventionists, neo liberal,
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interventionist, which is really in the old conservative no growth, really in it. and they will be and they will tell us over and over again that this is the essence of the international community. no,, it is really the washington consensus here. ok. you know, d.m.a.e., you've kind of hinted at it here. i fully expect that syria could be on the agenda again, russia. they've been kind of opaque in how they want to deal with china, which i think will be very, very interesting. but again, because we didn't have it during the campaign, we really don't have a clear understanding what potential biden mr. ation would go. what are some of the things that you're looking at as we kind of, you know, read the tea leaves here? well, i don't think came to this for the defense secretary's position. we show she is called a specialist in russia. you know, pentagon's, russia, well, i'm,
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i'm usually somewhat, i feel uneasy. you know, i mean ministry is so, so secretaries in them any kind of the station and headed by specialists all on piece of that country because usually they're the specialists on destroying that country or at best demonize and country. i mean, like a specialist on syria in the united states were usually the most outspoken supporter all over the regime change there, which actually manned civil war and supporting most of them brotherhood and all that extremist organizations. which in fact start of the civil war in syria lot of course the american media presented it as just, you know, some kind of went against peaceful demonstrations by the syrian government. so i'm somewhat uneasy, you know, when i hear that michele flournoy, a specialist in russia, is probably going to have their defense team william burroughs. well, has
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a job is from putin, because i know that during his tenure us and i'm best of the in russia, he said, man, you're right towards bob. his book is terrible and he's out. it also are all false . so unfortunately, also, you know, the problem we have now what he pretty boy ideology is the same as with all of it that it did in one year were just people at the pool. some of them supported out of conviction. some of them supported out of pure pragmatism, i'm sorry, just you know, to sustain their family and become rich. and sometimes you have, you can be nation, you know, in order to make, you'll live better and secure. these people kind of absorption the norm so far, bro. to tell you terry, and i go with that epps all of these things into their writings, into their thinking, just below, you know, much more comfortable. i mean, let's finish up with patrick here. here. it's a grift to, i mean,
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if you look at these, a list of people, they are how high positions in the foreign policy realm here. i mean, their lobbyists or actors lobbyist working hand in hand with the defense industry and other industries. and it's a huge grif that made a lot of money. now they're on top, your last 10 seconds go to, you know, it is there, they're all going to be in gainful employment. there's a whole coterie of analysts that will be shuttled in to c.n.n. and foreign policy experts, but the main thing, the last thing i'll say is joe biden was so full pointed voiced viceroy of the ukraine during the obama strain. and so, you know, the situation of the dumbass, they're going to want to let that languish for a little bit. you know, you're going to get a hard break and hard break and continue our discussion on some real unstable party .
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well the pandemic, no, certainly no borders and a slide into nationalities has emerged with the we don't look like the whole world needs to be judged. 2 commentary, classist, least we can do better, we should be everyone is contributing way. but we also know that this crisis will not go on forever. the challenges create the response, has been masked. so many good people are helping us. it makes us feel very proud that we are in it together. we're segregated by social class. people also in poverty by 1st.
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if you're born into a poor family, i born into a minority family. if you're born into a family that only has a single parent that really constrains your life, chances people die on average 15 years younger than if you're born into generational poverty. it's a tough fight every day to meet your needs and the needs of your bank. you have the best of it will come because you can go
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on this. go back to patrick disney 2 terms that the great reset and build back better is being bandied around. and i guess, you know, they seem rather innocuous and harmless here, but i find them to be quite sinister because this is a way to change the world again. maybe that's not a bad thing, that things are pretty gloomy right now because of the economic turndown and the endemic. but it seems to me using these terms, is a back door to do what you want without voter consent. and there's going to be no debate. it's just going to be administratively applied and it'll be applied in all sectors of our lives here again, without our permission, your thoughts knows this is a big, unprecedented situation where, you know, you look at joe biden, for instance, he had build back better as a you know campaign slogan, this is the same exact slogan,
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it appears behind. boris johnson. it appears behind justin trudeau. you can see angela merkel's using this terminology, and it's coming out of the world economic forum in davos. so it's the 1st time in international organizations kind of running the platform for mainline u.s. presidential candidate during an election. i mean, this is unheard of. and so you have to step back and without being too conspiratorial, saying there's a bit of harmonization there and coordination there. it's kind of obvious and the main point is, i think what you said, peter, is that voters in britain voters in the united states, they don't, they're not voting on davos. is great reset agenda. they never had a chance. there was never a referendum. this is just being absorbed and this is all it basically in line with the un's sustainable development goals of 2030. so this is kind of a race to meet all these arbitrary to no credit standards have been laid out by all these various u.n. committees and all these climate conferences have been going on for 2 decades. and
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so it's 5 countries are totally on board with this australia, especially new zealand. and then most of the european countries are already pretty much signed up to it as well. so, but they were really rebuilding a system that they themselves broke. this is really going to prop up the green new deal, which is the objective of this is propping up a system, a financial system that is, you know, absolutely over leveraged and what have they done in the last 9 months. they have over leveraged again with bailouts. and q.e. and stimulus is a system that was already on its hands and knees. so this is really setting up the green new deal, the rating of pension, felt it to be with you. but it's be very, very clear with our viewers or the new green deal is not just about the environment to me again, this is atrocious horse, so you change so many things and you know, until it's proven. otherwise, it is just
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a continued transfer of wealth to the very richest and the world. it's no coincidence that they're doing this. ok, this is an opportunity to keep that financial system and paradigm in place here. but you know, team at the interesting thing is that with this great recession build back better. and again, these are like and now we get to use dog whistle. ok. these are dog whistles against populism. that's what it is. and there is that because of the failed economic system that we are living with now, and these failed for the vast majority of this, populism is a threat to them. and these, these 2 ideas, these 2 pillars is to make sure something like trump never happens again and they're determined to do this. ok, they're very determined and this the depend on it and economic turndown, is there opportunity to act now? and you act in unison, go ahead. oh, you know, absolutely right. it is
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a moment where the outer liberals kind of strengthened their grip on power, not just in the united states, but around the world. but also, i mean, i just, i was just stunned to what a short memory people have because in their build back better well 1st time, 35 by the word receptive because we've had a reset with obama in 2010 in russian american relations. and their end of the reset was terrible. you know, it was a civil war in ukraine, basically provoked by the west, provoked by the coup that they supported in kiev. it was the war in syria. and people have such a short memory because inside that program, what do we read? this is the 2nd time we have seen the 2nd bailout in 12 years for big corporations . and wall street, well, who did the 1st bailout in 20092000 tan? wasn't it mr. obama, by any way, and his vice president joe biden. you know,
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there's a crisis. we remember had started under bush by basically the bailout, you know, their sell of agent of the big banks was, was all done by obama's team. actually our bomber promised he made 2 promises that he would walk for what can people and that he would take big money out of politics . well, we remember that you know, the underwear bomber stream. it was not just big money or courage in full swing in support. or hillary clinton, obama was the 1st president who allowed secret service, as you know, basically special services to get involved. we remember how they got involved in american politics and suddenly with boys we had this new after the intelligence community, you know, something that even the president cannot contradict. you know, the intelligence community, a sad russia who want to be in power and absurd as that may sound west. we were supposed to believe it. you know, no, the conspiracy theory about, you know,
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being supported by by then been supported by the new swell and chinese money. that is a conspiracy theory. everyone agrees, but their theory of all being supported by russia is equally absurd. and everyone was supposed to believe in it. you know, i quite agree with you on a green new deal. well, i think president marker on who usually makes very little lengthy and few speeches . he has struck a chord with many report to us. i think about a week ago when in his own interview, he said that, you know, for decades people were encouraged to get homes. i would say see, just don't take their children to additional costs in their cars and no people out to us. i told you, no cars are bad, you know, everything you have been doing is just ecologically unsustainable. if they go in, they told the working people for years changeover to diesel and then exactly.
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exactly, and then then, but no, now we don't want diesel. i mean, after all of that money was invested, you know, patrick, i disassociate per say way, is that this great reset or build back better and it's nothing to do with working people is better because in spite of working people, i mean, they want to implement these things through a backdoor and not through the democratic process because they know that you can't get these people to follow ok because they're, if they're either educated or they're ignorant or they're religious people, there's always something wrong with that part of the electorate. and this is a strictly short circuit at the inn, around the go ahead. if you look at the effect of lockdowns, especially in the west, i'm talking about developed countries in the west. ok,, because there's, it's more pronounced the do the drop in g.d.p., the loss of civil liberties and rights and so forth. all of this stuff. and the unemployment where they developed were the undeveloped world, the 3rd world,, if you will, was already struggling. and you know, it doesn't have a great g.d.p.,
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so they haven't really felt and living under despots normally, they haven't felt as big of a change. so what this has done is depressed the western economy and almost leveled it out. so it's closer. so there's slightly more normalization between the 3rd world and the developed world, which is what most says they intend to do. it's what the world economic forum wants to socialize consumption they want to sort of normalize and even out production in except for the very rich i would suppose, right? yeah, it will if you can hear. the comment you made on fuel is important because if you ban diesel diesel cars and combustion engines, which they've moved that forward to 2030 in the u.k. for instance, that's going to basically not only destroy the, a lot of the car manufacturing, but it's going to drive there are things that do require fuel, like aviation,
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and maritime, and so it's going do is going to drive the price. it's going to restrict the supply of the available supply, the market shrinking. it's going to drive the price up. so the only people who can afford to fly or to ship some of these things by boat, it's going to be very expensive, is going to drive the prices up. and so the billionaire class have no problem, they'll be able to fly to the mall deaves, they'll be able to go to, you know, the great barrier reef to look at the sharks and what not. all the things that they love doing skiing involved is there no problem, but for the rest of the middle class has been depressed and crushed the working, class forget it. they're on u.b.i., universal basic income in this plan. and the green new deal is being funded by raiding the pensions of the, of the next generation and the current generation and the last generation and what they call releasing liberating 4 trillion or 10 trillion it to fund greentech. if you remember cylindrica under obama, that $500000000.00 boondoggle that produced no solar panels multiply that times
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$10000.00. that's the sort of money you're talking about with the green new deal that they want to do. this is just an opening for the massive amount of corporate fraud. basically do nothing, projects, jobs for my friends, they're talking about sustainable green jobs. you got to be a bit it this think the example of the combustible engine? i mean, this is what a lot of working people do. their drivers. ok, they, they're couriers for many people. and particularly if you look at it in red states in the united states, this is absolute necessity. but that they're driving forward even weeks. i mean, without any consideration of what they're going to do. i mean, how many, hundreds of thousands and millions of people are involved in that part of the economy. they just got to be decide or put them on some kind of low level welfare just says, assistance they get through through life. i mean, again,
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nobody is voting on this. ok, and if it was presented to voters, they would say no, go ahead where i think that it's true. a lot them being the united states, there is something wrong of all of these green demogorgon. i mean, i'm all for equal with jay that whole for leftist need to look, you know, i agree. but you know, some of the formerly ecological leftist, our guest in europe are getting just sinister. i mean, the greens think germany where the symbol of pacifism for many years know they have the biggest enemy, as all russia, they, they believe every lie about russia and about, and about without a country. it's in the east and i agree with you completely that the most poor people, i'm dependent on the combustion combustion engine. i don't know what though for a country it's, you know, they're walled up, you know, they, you all have baby oil supplies and their gas supplies. they have been providing to reach countries. when the green sea germ you said, oh, we don't need,
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we don't need north team tool because we're going to have created a new way. you know, well 1st they are, you know, i am cheap service to their old people. ok. he may have to jump in, you know, we've run out of time. i want to thank my guest implement in moscow, and i want to thank our viewers for watching us here, r.t.c. and expose. remember my social class people. if you're born into a poor family, if you're born into a minority family, if you're born into a family that only has a single parent that really constrains your life, chances people die. born into generational poverty
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