tv Cross Talk RT November 30, 2020 7:30pm-8:00pm EST
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hello, and welcome to cross top, where all things are considered. i'm teetotal about the foreign policy team of a potential biden ministration is being touted by the liberal media. we tell you why all this should be horrified. also there's a lot of talk of a great reset and build back better does looking backward bode well for the future . to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guest, patrick headings, an employment he's the editor and founder of the 21st century wire. and here in moscow, we're joined by bob. she's a political analyst and editor at, you know smee internet media project. all right, gentlemen crossed uprose in effect, that means you can jump in anytime you want. and i was appreciated. ok, let's go to patrick 1st. their employment in watching the potential by a cab and being presented to the public through the liberal media. we heard of
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phrases like they are like the avengers is like they're super heroes or something like that. and then there was a tough being had on p.b.s. saying, these are intensely professional people and they're apolitical. i mean, almost fell out of my chair. when that was said here, i look at this team and it's a rogues gallery of people that want endless war promote them. we're very much involved in designing a wars that are still being fought and they're being but when the liberal media is cheering them as if there is some kind of an enlightenment after darkness. ok, obviously the donald trump is the darkness in their mind. but there's a lot of continuity here, and i think this is what's really terrifying. and we have election cycle after election cycle where the public says they're sick and tired of these wars. but it doesn't seem to have much of an impact on the managerial class that runs what i
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call the foreign policy block. a get away, patrick. you're right to point out peter about the continuity. there's a, if you look back in history, there's a tremendous continuity of us foreign policy from the ministration to administration. it's a slow moving elephant. it doesn't change much between administration, but it did change for the last 4 years. this is probably the trump administration, probably the biggest break in terms of continuity of u.s. foreign policy in my lifetime. and the way that i could remember and many others. so there is, there was a break in continuity. and i think that break was born out of the political will, of the american people electing a populist president. and so the, it triggered an auto immune reaction from the establishment in america. that was the media is well, so with bought with, if biden assumes power, let's assume he's going to take the reins in january. then the democrats are going
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to have the media on their side for everything. there will be no holding them to account. it will just be kind of a cheering section, much like it was for 8 years under obama. and, you know, you can see where that led the u.s. and led the world, which was one of the darkest periods. in my opinion. in geo political history, this president started a numerous amount of new wars from yemen, dismembered yemen, dismembered, do you crane? dismembered libya, nearly dismembered syria, if not for the help of syria's allies, russia, and iran. so, but now they're going to have a chance to resume some of those projects. i mean, but they'll also in terms of continuity, they will look at what true the trunk framework is and we're most likely work with it. trump has allowed the democrats in this sense to be more hawkish, let's say, against iran than the obama administration was. i see that is going to continue their appointment of jake sullivan recently as
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a national security advisor at the tender age of 43 years old. he's just a child. when i end, we have to remember, let me go to demon here and takes over who was one of the great cheerleaders of the russia gate conspiracy hoax. so, this is the resumes that the liberal media is cheering on here. when we look at me, lincoln, lincoln, he is one of the architects of the breakup of yugoslavia. lot of people don't know that he was in the white house when, when, when libya was destroyed and has regrets that bomb, it didn't do more to intervene in the international proxy war in syria here. so it's much of the same. it's kind of like an obama $2.00, but the difference is demon here is that the neil cons have been able to trans migrate into both major parties and most importantly, into the media. it's a close circle. now go ahead. you're exactly right. you have, whatever you call them, all to liberals. now anywhere else,
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you have them inside both parties and unfortunately, you know, what was really bad. on the trial, there was a legislative framework create it. so whoever is the, you will secretary of state where is the new will say, representative from the u.n. . they're going to act even there. they just made a framework left by the terrible congress. you know, the congress under mr. trump introduced, thinks right concert, which actually it kind of institutionalize us, a kind of hybrid war against russia. just imagine these people obliged to the american state to keep track of reach people in russia who have connections to the government. they family, yes, you know, 2 or 2 of them basically are on the ball. well, that was basically a legislative declare ational war for many years. so unfortunately the new administration would joins us is going to act inside that framework. but you know,
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what really struck me was the fact that despite the fact that 74000000 at least 74000000 americans fold up, for trump, there is no respect for them. there is no excuse for old joe biden, you know, some people call him joe bomb. i think it's a very, it's a very good name because basically he didn't say that he will alter a bomb, a sport. he says, because 74000000 people voted for trump, you know, and that's just his program saying, you know, he's build back better as it's about nobody has more respect than joe biden, for the walk in women, a man who get out every day to be old and sustain this country, well, 7 you, for me to know these people voted for someone else, tell them something, you know, tell them how you're going to be different from obama and joe biden just said, i'm off in my lifetime, so you're going to lose too. but that's all the excuses he kept. but that's the point is, you know, nothing will fundamentally change that. you know,
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that is the message you're, you know, you know, patrick, one of the things i lament most through this election cycle is that it was, and i think you and i have been watching politics from a very young age. was completely devoid of policy. so we were doing on this program right now, trying to interpret what the biden foreign policy if he is inaugurated. one of my inform policy would be through people that he's speaking to be in his cabinet because well, joe didn't seem very much during the campaign. other than he didn't like trump's tweets and he wore a mask. it was a long and short of it. no, you know, you're right. so the big, what's going to be the big difference in terms of democrats versus republicans, i want to put the trump in this tradition into a republican basket tradition. but let's just say for argument's sake, is the tool box. the democrats have a certain tool box. they'll shuttle in all the same people, the architects of the samantha power, susan,
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all the responsibility to protect crowd. that's their tool box, it's human rights, it's emotive narratives. it's refugees, it's, we need to save the people we need to intervene. and so they will sort of roll this out. the media absolutely has trained for this. c.n.n. is built for that. basically all the ngo frameworks, that's part of their tool box. the language that they'll use, it will be a humanitarian and a kinder, gentler form of, for lack of a better term, imperialism that we saw under obama. and that's how the democrats roll. right, patrick, i think when it green with me, that inside that tool box that i think you described is to be 2 missing words. international law. great. right. no, it will be international norms. oh ok. it will be, it will be the, the rules based international order. that's their language. that's the same language that you'll see coming out of the g.
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7. this will be repeated by britain. democrats tend to work through multilateral organizations, like nato, to do their, you know, prosecute wars, for instance, because it gives them kind of, you know, public relations cover or waters down there sort of culpability. obama did this in libya too. great a great skill. and so does, this is what you'll see. the u.n. will become more in the forefront in terms of humanitarian issues and intervention . so you have the liberal internationalist, interventionist, neo liberal, interventionist, which is really a neo conservative growth, really in it. and they will be and they will tell us over and over again that this is the essence of the international community. no, it is really the washington consensus here. ok. you know, the maybe you've kind of hinted at it here. i fully expect that syria could be on the agenda again,
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russia. they've been kind of opaque in how they want to deal with china, which i think will be very, very interesting. but again, because we didn't have it during the campaign, we really don't have a clear understanding what potential biden missed ration were recently. things that you're looking at as we kind of, you know, read the tea leaves here. well, one of the cane jitters for the defense sector is positioning michele portnoy. she is called a specialist on russia and pentagon snow, russia. well i'm, i'm usually somewhat, i feel i need a certain ministries or so secretaries in their american administration headed by specialists on these. so that country because usually they're the specialists on destroying that country or at best demonizing that country. i mean, like specialist on syria in the united states where usually the most outspoken supporter of all of the regime change there,
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which actually manned civil war and supporting muslim brotherhood and other extremist organizations, which in fact started the civil war. 'd in syria, but of course they're american media presented it as just, you know, some kind of an old to burrow state against peaceful demonstrations by the syrian government. so i'm somewhat uneasy, you know, when i hear that michele flournoy, a specialist on russia, is probably going to have their defense team. william burroughs. well has to do have been scripted teaching because i know that during his tenure bastard in russia he said, man, you're right towards bob. his book is terrible and his articles are all for so. unfortunately, also, you know, the problem with no need for all or ultra liberal ideology is the same as with other to tell it to anyone your religious people at the top. some of them support it out of conviction. some of them, paul, that all of your pragmatism, i'm sorry,
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just you know, to sustain their families and become rich. and sometimes you have, you can be nation, you know, in order to make your wife better and secure. these people kind of absorption the norm. so for ultra liberal, no liberal to tell you terry, and i go with that absence of these things into their writings, into their thinking just well, you know, much more comfortable. i mean, let's finish up with patrick here. here. it's a grift to, i mean if you look at these a list of people, they are how high positions in the foreign policy realm here. i mean, their lobbyists or his lobbyist working hand in hand with the defense industry and other industries. and it's a huge grif that made a lot of money. now they're on top, your last 10 seconds go to, you know what it is. they're all going to be in gainful employment. there's a whole code really of analyst or will be shuttled in to c.n.n. and foreign policy experts. but the main thing,
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the last thing i'll say is joe biden was self-appointed voice viceroy of the ukraine during the obama strafe. and so, you know, the situation of the donbass, they're going to want to let that languish for a living. you know, you're going to go to a hard break and hard break and continue our discussion on some real estate authority. financialization has its limits. the accounting tricks of stock buybacks and money printing have their lives and in saudi arabia. we see a brilliant example of what happens when a country decides to go into financialization. instead of let's say, diversifying into actual productive economic activity. says mom, they can make poppy a way you
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a harmless year, but i find them to be quite sinister because this is a way to change the world again, maybe that's not a bad thing. that things are pretty gloomy right now because of the economic turndown in the endemic. but it seems to me using these terms, is a back door to do what you want without voter consent. and there's going to be no debate. it's just going to be a ministry to billy apply and it will be applied in all sectors of our lives here again, without our permission, your thoughts knows this is a big, unprecedented situation where, you know, you look at joe biden, for instance, he had build back better as you know, campaign slogan. this is the same exact slogan, it appears behind boris johnson. it appears behind justin trudeau. you can see angela merkel's using this terminology, and it's coming out of the world economic forum in davos. so it's the 1st time in international organizations kind of running the platform for mainline u.s. presidential candidate during an election. i mean,
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this is unheard of. and so you have to step back and without being too conspiratorial, saying there's a bit of harmonization there and coordination there. it's kind of obvious and the main point is, i think what you said, peter, is that voters in britain voters in the united states, they don't, they're not voting on davos. is great reset agenda. they never had a chance. there was never a referendum. this is just being absorbed and this is all basically in line with the un's sustainable development goals of 2030. so this is kind of a race to meet all these arbitrary technocratic standards that have been laid out by all these various u.n. committees and all these climate conferences been going on for 2 decades. and so it's 5 countries are totally on board with this australia, especially new zealand. and then most of the european countries are already pretty much signed up to it as well. so, but they were really rebuilding a system that they, them,
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so broke. this is really going to prop up the green new deal, which is the objective of this is because propping up a system of financial system that is, you know, absolutely over leveraged and what have they done in the last 9 months. they have over leveraged again, with bailouts and stimulus is a system that was already on its hands and knees. so this is really setting up the green new deal, the rating a pension feel of it makes me angry with you, but it's be very, very clear with our viewers here. the new green deal is not just about the environment. i mean, again, this is atrocious. horse, so you change so many things and you know, until it's proven otherwise, it is just a continued transfer of wealth to the very richest and the world. it's no coincidence that they're doing this. ok, this is an opportunity to keep that financial system and paradigm in place here. but you know, team at the interesting thing is that with this great recession build back better.
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and again, these are like and now we get to use dog whistle. ok. these are dog whistles against populism. that's what it is. and there is that because of the failed economic system that we are living with now, and these failed for the vast majority of this, populism is a threat to them. and these, these 2 ideas, these 2 pillars is to make sure something like trump never happens again, they're determined to do this. ok. they're very determined. and this the pen demick an economic turndown is their opportunity to act now and to act in unison. go ahead . oh, you are absolutely right. it is a moment where kind of strengthened their grip on power, not just in the united states, but they're all the world. but also, i mean, i just, i was just a what a shock memory people have because in that build a bad,
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better well 1st, i'm terrified by the word recept because we've had a reset with obama in 2010 in russian american relations. and their end of the reset was terrible. you know, it was a civil war in ukraine, basically provoked by the west, provoked by the coup that they supported in kiev. it was the war in syria. and people have such a short memory because inside the program, what do we read? this is the 2nd time we have seen the 2nd bailout in 12 years for big corporations . and wall street, well, who did the 1st bailout in 20092000 tan. wasn't it mr. obama? by any way, and his vice president joe biden, you know, there crisis. we remember had started under bush by basically the bailouts. you know, there selvedge in all the big banks was, was all done by obama's team. actually our bomber promised him
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a 2 promises that he would walk for what can people and that he would take big money out of politics. well, we remember that in their underwear bomber stream, it was not just big money, or courage in full swing in support or hillary clinton. obama was the 1st president who allowed secret service, as you know, basically special services to get involved. we remember how they got involved in american politics, and suddenly with course we had this new after the intelligence community, you know, something that even the president cannot contradict. you know, the intelligence community has said russia would trump in power and absurdist that may sound where we were supposed to believe it. you know, now the conspiracy theory about, you know, been supported by, by then been supported by the new surveillance and cheney's money. that is a conspiracy theory. everyone agrees the theory of our trunk been supported by russia. is it? yep. servant and everyone was supposed to believe in it. you know?
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i quite agree with you on the new deal. well, i think president marker on who usually banks, very lengthy speech as he has struck a chord with men you've told us, i think about a week ago when in his own interview, he said that, you know, for decades people were encouraged to get homes. i would say see, just don't take their children to additional costs as you know, their cars and no people to us. i told you, no cars are bad. you know, everything you have been doing is just ecologically unsustainable. if they go in, they told the working people for years changeover to diesel and then actually exactly, and then then, but no, now we don't want diesel. i mean, after all of that money was invested, you know, patrick, just as a perfect segue is that this great reset to build back better and it's nothing to do with working people is better because in spite of working people, i mean,
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they want to implement these things through a back door and not through the democratic process because they know that you can't get these people to follow ok because they're, if they're either educated or they're ignorant or they're religious people, there's always something wrong with that part of the electorate. and this is a strictly short circuit at the, in around go ahead. well, if you look at the effect of lockdowns, especially in the west and i'm talking about developed countries in the west. ok,, because there's, it's more pronounced the, the drop in g.d.p., the loss of civil liberties and rights and so forth. all of this stuff. and the unemployment where the developed were the undeveloped world, the 3rd world,, if you will, was already struggling. and you know, it doesn't have a great g.d.p., so they haven't really felt and living under despots normally, they haven't felt as big of a change. so what this has done is depressed the western economy and almost leveled it out. so it's closer. so there's slightly more normalization between the 3rd
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world and the developed world, which is what most says they intend to do. it's what the world economic forum wants to socialize consumption they want to sort of normalize and even out production in except for the very rich i would suppose, right? yeah, it will if you can hear. the comment you made on fuel is important because if you ban diesel diesel cars and combustion engines, which they've moved that forward to 2030 in the u.k. for instance, that's going to basically not only destroy the, a lot of the car manufacturing, but it's going to drive there are things that do require fuel, like aviation, and maritime, and so it's going do is going to drive the price. it's going to restrict the supply of the available supply, the market shrinking. it's going to drive the price up. so the only people who can afford to fly or to ship some of these things by boat is going to be very expensive is going to drive the prices up. and so the billionaire class have no problem,
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they'll be able to fly to the mall deaves, they'll be able to go to, you know, the great barrier reef to look at the sharks and what not. all the things that they love doing skiing involved is there no problem, but for the rest of the middle class has been depressed and crushed the working, class forget it. they're on u.b.i., universal basic income in this plan. and the green new deal is being funded by raiding the pensions of the, of the next generation and the current generation and the last generation and what they call releasing liberating 4 trillion or 10 trillion it to fund greentech. if you remember cylinder under obama, that $500000000.00 boondoggle that produced no solar panels multiply that times 10000 that's the sort of money you're talking about with the green new deal that they want to do. this is just an opening for the massive amount of corporate fraud . basically do nothing, projects, jobs for my friends, they're talking about sustainable green jobs. you've got to be, if it exists,
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think the example of the combustible engine? i mean, this is what a lot of working people do their drivers. ok. they, their careers. this for many people in particular, if you look at it in red states in the united states, this is absolute necessity, but that they're driving forward. the beats, i mean, without any consideration of what they're going to do. i mean, how many, hundreds of thousands or millions of people are involved in that part of the economy. are they just going to be put aside or put them on some kind of low level welfare just says assistance they get through through life? i mean, again, nobody is voting on this. ok, and if it was presented to voters they would resign in lee say no good. where i think that it's true. a lot them being the united states, there is something wrong of all of these green demogorgon. i mean, i'm all for equality jr. i'm all for leftist need to look, you know,
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i agree. but you know, some of the, formerly ecological leftist r.d.s. in europe are getting just sinister. i mean, the greens seem germany where the symbol of pacifism for many years know they're the biggest enemy, as all russia. they, they believe every lie about russia and about and about how the country is in the east. and i agree with you completely that the more poor people, i depend upon the combustion combustion engine, and i won't go for a country. it's in their wallet. are you know, the evil of baby oil supplies and their gas supplies that they have been providing to reach congress when the green sea germany a said oh, we don't need we don't need north team to win because we're going to have created a new way. you know, well 1st they are, you know, i ain't cheap services to their own people. ok, he may have to jump in, you know, we've run out of time on and i think my guest implement in moscow. and i want to
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the french president's party withdraws a bill that would have restricted the filming of police officers after weeks of nationwide protests. europe's own guantanamo a rights report says, hundreds of myself, family members with european citizenship are being held in, inhumane conditions at kurdish controlled refugee camps in syria and us president elect joe biden makes another key appointment to jen psaki will be the white house press secretary a familiar face from the obama era and to remember for more than just a few gaffes there are flows of gas, natural.
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