israel's national security council and we go to the rainy inside to investigate the potential scale of the iranian retaliation and president elect biden is already destabilizing the middle east before even taking office all the some more coming up in today's going on the ground 1st despite new york times anonymous senior u.s. official sources claiming israel is behind the assassination of iranian nuclear scientist most of the factories are there new reported retaliations had been taken against the country or its intelligence service mossad for the alleged state sponsored murder i'm joined now from tel aviv by the former director of mossad efraim halevy who also served as the head of israel's national security council thanks so much every name for coming on so was israel behind the assassination of the iranian scientist. and what you're saying. everybody.

will do you disagree with your defacto counter bought the former cia boss who said and as john brennan he said it's a criminal act highly reckless and risks lethal retaliation i really. 3 was. sure that the directives. carried out. in the review were. well i guess donald trump admitted the assassination of cousins really money but i don't think it generally doesn't even in assassinating che guevara arguably you know. 1.

so. threatening russia's right so. i think. name calling is not a very good idea. but of course this isn't a soldier that is being killed i mean we've heard that he was reportedly working on a coronavirus vaccine and do you think it's ok for israel to assassinate scientists who aren't even soldiers sadly this is one of the. he was also pretty general. and he had a very senior ranking. so i think this is exactly right zoom in on the scientists earlier in about this idea. so is it more symptomatic of fear or do you believe that brennan went on to say it

was an act of an act of state sponsored terrorism would be a flagrant violation of international law i don't. 'd think niceties or america is carried out. against enemies of the unites states similar situations the united states. and 3. and i think many people who knew about the drone strikes under obama would do would agree with you but when you say new comment is that an echo of. what's said many times by the israeli government. should we take it is a confirmation and more like i've a new famously was kidnapped here in london. honey trapped out of here for detention and hit israel no comment was the israeli official statement i don't

. know current. government is assuming you know my. every. american so it. is absurd so. certain that i was. so he was a legitimate mossad target l.s.a. well yeah. right to use this language origins of us because it. 'd is a matter in the eyes. mind nationals busy.

i don't want to use the genes of a. person who is there i reckon. this 'd is. the message also to. your successor tommy pardew as head of mossad said the youth you've said before the targeted assassinations are of limited value. is especially. low and they are equal. train users out such an operation were not so i was lax and every time this happened the nice image of results in recent years us lisa say it really didn't sign how long will be such an operation 'd affects the activities in which. one has to accept this kind of operation. 'd

this strike iranian nuclear program. i mean you understand the structures that might have been there in terms of theorizing what response to expect from iran . looking from the outside as it were as you're saying you're not the head of the head of mossad anymore could it be perceived as a as a way to entrap iran into a response before joe biden is in or be rated as president. 'd is that we're. seeing. very interesting. things. play. if that was the purpose busy busy. the purpose

of 2015 but of course if iran does retaliate lots of iranian politicians in tehran talking about retaliation if the iranians believe now that they have to retaliate for their own domestic political concerns would they do so regardless of a resumption of j c p o a talks i would be. wise. not to say the. syrians know why is. there a serious when. they also. present the night say. they resign. as a game of chance. and actually. am. how do you characterize the threat to israeli national security today i mean the usa you

and israel they will oppose b.d.s. boycott divestment sanctions peaceful attempts at opposing israeli policy and do you believe that israel is under more threat than ever today. sir. my view is the. 'd 'd reason. 'd any real. interest of israel. so do you think after 4 years of a trump presidency a new president hu's a friendly with the netanyahu the palestinians are basically lost i mean mahmoud

abbas of the palestinian authority has just taken the $1000000000.00 worth of released israeli money that is being withheld do you think they've given up i really think they are also. nice. 'd little. recent years there. and i think. if they go. they were. very trying to. generate.

maybe. 'd nice. series. because there's been a strengthening palestinian solidarity movement in the united states do you expect biden to be pressured by them into leveraging the move of the embassy from tel aviv to jerusalem on the trump or the recognition of the golan heights as israeli rather than syrian as part of any deal in the early days of a bind administration. i use this and. i do. change.

2 very low. leverage. of course he's assembling his shadow state department cabinet as it were tony blinken is the future secretary of state someone who very much fame and action against president assad of syria to expect. administration to renew military attacks on syria and what evidence do you have as you've alleged before that the israeli government has been involved in fueling that war using islamist militias as proxies i think it has. failed.

'd very seriously great race. very. diverse. there is a very large russian presence serious it's a very. rare. let's say this is. an issue. there is a. neighbor. and i just i was just getting on to and i should save the chinese government saying they've been investing in syria as well what evidence do you have of israel supporting islam ist movement which has been denied on denied to us by israeli officials here on going underground in the past i read.

'd 'd it. a. 'd little a refugee. 'd like. 'd syria's. grady hospital. and syria and syria very lengthy and friendly we are stopping there more from the former boss of the israeli intelligence service mossad after this short break. yes i did and. i suspect. if you're born into. for family if you're born into

a minority family if you're born into a family that only has a single parent that really constrains your life chances people have a stake 10 years younger than he pointed to generational poverty. and it's a tough fight every day so you will eat your needs and their needs of your family. welcome back i'm still here with the former director of israeli intelligence agency mossad efraim halevy if you are still running moss and you can understand i don't know maybe some moss and officers would tell you in negotiations as you decide you know bolasie it looks to me at all it is israel bombs damascus just in the past few

days it appears to be favoring those bombing raids isis diasur al qaida no i think it is ready probably. the less this area is really do you radiate. syria. really a prison syria. that's stabilize the syria. using high grade i threw. israel and i think this. you know you. and i think we were. i don't i want to just go around and see what you just go around in circles i mean iran is invited in to syria to help its war effort against its perceived adversaries destroying them will just mean more missile batteries sent to

damascus. when you say that. radians are really serious. i think the. leverage of. syria is very limited i don't think that we should. be. serious a lot of the elements which us that we. will remove will be really critical syria. 'd the removal of a threat. radios station. syria. well of course president doesn't refute that but then frame thank you thank you. well i was the former head of mossad about the role that organization allegedly played in the assassination of

iranian nuclear scientists most in fact reside there let's now go to iran specifically gong to hear from dr sam to robby the director of the recent strategic studies institute time thanks so much for coming back on even before i get to the assassination just tell us since you are in gone what is the situation reason we coronavirus i'm obviously speaking to you from a country with one of the worst per capita rate on earth. sure and i see again actually it wasn't going so well for a while then we had to shut down for 2 weeks a nationwide shutdown and thank god it's going better now again things are going to open again and we're just going to have to see how it goes new vaccine horizon the well actually yes as a matter of fact. you know you have iran being one of the countries that's actually working on its own vaccine and also in coordination with the w.h.o. and it's looking good we've actually house 3 different projects and let me just add a little interesting note here which is often overlooked in this whole issue that we've been talking about the last couple days with this as

a nation. dr fact is that it was one of the people who was actually working on a covert vaccine as part of the defense research organization of which he was the head of do you think really radians feel that there is a western attempt to weaponize coronavirus i know that there's been some that said sanctions have been a designed the west denies this to damage the medical infrastructure of iran that alone as you say the assassination of president well whatever the case may be in terms of what the reality is the these thing that people in iran feel is that the vicious nature of western governments was completely open for what you see during this whole covert. pandemic because you know the most basic human needs were not. taken into going to sit consideration when it came to iran things like you know allowing us to pay for money pay with money that we have in banks so in terms of

what the result was as far as the iranian people was concerned the result was we it was just confirmed for all of us once again that the westerners don't consider us you know equal human beings and they are willing to do whatever they have to do in terms of the. in their attempts. through to try to suppress iran and a lot of iran to rise as a power including allowing people to die from a pandemic as compared to other places where they might get things out for free well western governments deny they're trying to do the medical response to and joe biden says maybe they'll be a reduction in sanctions when he's inaugurated the european union no less condemned well they didn't condemn it perhaps but they said it was a criminal act to assassinate a scientist and scholar in iran in the past few days. exactly that's the point that they didn't condemn it i mean they can call it whatever they want to call it obviously it's stating the obvious that it's a criminal act you know that doesn't take much of

a effort to say that obviously it was a criminal act obviously the things that they said in the message sounded all nice and good but it wasn't a combination you have the deputy defense minister of iran being assassinated and you know nothing from the europeans so were you were used to this and so as usual iran has to fend for itself and it does it well does it do it well i mean when i was living in tehran there were scientists being assassinated on the streets of tehran that was years ago it's happening again so iran comprador its own scholars and as you say deputy defense minister and at the same time people are dying of crude oil the iranian government was a failing in being able to protect its people well actually if we're looking at the statistics you know a lot of countries people are dying from from core on a given given the resources that we have and the pressures that exist in terms of the sanctions i think iran is doing a great job could you do a better job of course and in terms of the assassinations yes i agree with you

obviously this was a blow and you know they should have paid attention in terms of you know trying to protect them one of the things that we never talk about is well why is it that 10 years ago or whenever it was that the other scientists were assassinated why is it that it ended well certainly iran did certain things at that time and chose not to reveal them at that time which ended. the series of assassinations that were conducted at that time also by the americans and the israelis obviously everybody has said that there's going to be some sort of a response there will be there's no doubt about it that we should doubt that there's always should be no official israeli comment on the accusations and allegations that israel was involved do you don't think that. maybe a trap being set that iran's retaliation just before biden presidency will catalyze a big response. i understand the u.s. is nimitz is in the persian gulf it's been deployed there in the past few days after the assassination sure i mean we always look at these deployments as as you

know bigger and nicer targets if it comes to something but the issue is that you know obviously anybody who knows iran which unfortunately it seems that may be the israelis and the americans don't know iran as well as they think we should know that iran would not respond in in a way that would cause problems for itself this goes back to understanding what iran is and as i've said many times and for you know one of the hallmarks of the trump and the new of the trump and ministration and that are now is that they are surrounded by people or by information about iran which is you know completely distorted and not too real because they're surrounded by either iranian exiles who haven't been there for 50 years or by you know terrorist cults who are you know mentally unstable or by their own in terms of their having their own delusions about what they think iran is iran is a constitutionally has a constitutional republic it has different branches of government as you saw the parliament the magic list passed the bill recently the administration didn't agree

with it all of this then goes to the supreme national security council and with the approval of the leader of the islamic revolution a policy is going to be developed and actions are going to be taken iran is this is a sophisticated state it is a sophisticated state when it comes to making its security decisions whether it's entering into negotiations or whether it's bombing the. base in the bases in aerial after the assassination of some sort of money so you know anybody who knows iran knows that this kind of stuff that the that was done or that this is this and this assassination that took place is not going to take iran away from its strategic goal and its strategic goal is very clear and it is stated policy iran strategic goal is to 'd drive out expel the americans from west asia it's going to happen the only issue is how. now it's going to happen is it going to happen with a lot of you know dead american soldiers or is it going to happen with the

americans whatever administration it is republican or democrat understanding that it's no longer sustainable to have you know american troops in the region and in terms of israel the stated policy is also very clear iran is going to end the apartheid zionist state called israel in the region and the way it's going to do it is not by you know driving the jews into the sea as you know said in the propaganda it is going to do it by supporting a. palestinian state a palestinian republican which muslims jews christians are citizens of equal value and are and not as i in a state in which jews are considered you know better citizens and the muslims and the christians are considered 2nd class citizens the advisers to british and american governments they say they give a good reflection of what iran what's going on in iran that hasn't been any retaliation some analysts said they'd be retaliation against you know by u.s. interests in the persian gulf just tell me who you think most uranian is and maybe

you think i know the day when you politicians of all sides have been saying it who is behind of the assassination was it israel with facilitation with the m.e. k. in this remote controlled machine gun. well again this is you know to say whether it was the israelis or the i mean kerry were the trigger people yeah i mean very likely but obviously these things don't happen with american green light and support and even legit probably logistical support so the issue is not that we try to somehow make a differentiation between israel and the u.s. you know they do things in tandem and in terms of the revenge and who they would seek revenge from obviously the israelis are going to be you know feeling the response if if if it is the case right now we have the government the administration and iran talking about the israelis being the ones that did it but i mean the new york times had been on a missile was telling them it was israel think part of the problem we have is that we have these sources so-called sources and you know this is been

a plague on untruth you know since we have these anonymous anonymous sources since the iraq war is that they want to you know make the trap administration look bad and to kind of say well you know if biden was there he would've allowed it's about is not the case the reality is that you know the americans whether it's the trump or the biden administration they are full hilt support behind israel and if fascinate whether they're democrats or they're republican summering in voices of. the any case you might have to very briefly just remind us who they are they deny them behind the lines and it was hillary clinton that on designated as a terrorist group had 2012 rudy giuliani who's been a guest on this trooper moved into any 18 and now she could just as easily could be barratt has apparently been implicated because she happened to represent an amy k. affiliate when calling for the d. designation of it is a terrorist organization in the united states i mean in any case for those you probably know your viewers probably know or a terrorist organization they've killed over 17000 civilians in iran they joined

saddam hussein during the war against their own compatriots so you know and they're basically you know the lived in iraq until the invasion and then they fled to albania they have of the. they have a headquarters in paris and they are basically you know a religious death cult a personality cult where the members were forced to divorce their husbands and their wives and to pledge full of allegiance to the leadership there and it's it's a crazy cult and you know it's not me saying this it's those people who have fled that cult who are saying this and so obviously you know you just have to imagine the americans and the europeans and the french deciding that well you know let's use these people to fight iran well you know isn't it interesting you have a death cult which has literally 0 support in iran. being the tool or or

the way in which the westerners want to deal with iran so that tells you everything you need to know about american and western policy and european policy towards iran obviously any kate deny that refute that to the samurai we thank you my pleasure that's it for the show will be back on monday ron student day commemorating the opening fire of british back to millions of purity forces on students protesting the major back shah's resumption of diplomatic relations between iran and london until then catch up on all our interviews on you tube and follow the underground on twitter facebook instagram site. there's a saying that they're going to keep us going through all the countries. let's ideas right it's going to do is come easy to give everything they do to fast.

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