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every day you meet your needs and the needs of your family. and from several pounds to pound the public through filming the police and the un says the new security bill is incompatible with human rights however paris insists it won't be dropped although it could be written. let's go inside and talk to the 1st woman 2 years of world's 1st and she called the mass vaccination. russia starts free of mass vaccinations against 19 right here in the capital we speak to one of the don't does this fast annoying. people who are sick with hospitalizations and intensive care and needing long ventilators school and i don't want to see this anymore becomes that your patients myself and another idea in your pocket to whales
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on the u.s. looks to introduce vaccination cards in the next phase of putting the virus while some ferrets the fust step towards mandatory jobs politicians in the u.k. are sending mixed messages. working hard to keep you in the news this is all to international live from the russian capital. well we'll start in paris where protests are taking place again this week trying to use us to curate you bill that could stop the public from filming the police demonstrators in the french capital through the streets setting fire to vehicles and smashing in shops and banks responded with take us over 60 protesters have been arrested and several police officers injured. he was there for us.
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where you can probably see behind me it's already getting pretty clear in paris is burning and you can hear the tear gas is being left off and we're in the middle of it at the moment and. streaming the we've already seen clashes between the police and the protesters at the very start of this protest police being pelted with the room next with glass bottles with pink paint and then them responding with the tear gas so i fight as a trying to extinguish a number of fires that have been set these the fires of cause all along this street
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there are at least 3 or 4 vehicles that have been completely to war just so we just have to move because the films from the vehicle are can a little bit too close for comfort but this protest still going on this is one of the i'm 90 protests in front against the global security law a law that's been much criticized not just by june lists and citizens in n.g.o.s but also by the european union and by the un many including your specialty move independent investigators to the un saying this is incompatible with international human rights law and they've called the whole law to be rewritten we know at the moment that only one part of that law is going to be written that is oh it's a cool 24 but protesters say that that's not enough as you can see still more tensions here in paris this. fire has been lit just outside the bank populaire
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the bank has also been smashed in the furniture brought out the back not so popular in paris today we heard from president mccall on friday he a wide ranging interview where he talked about a lot of the issues in front at the moment he touched on this issue when he touched on police a pilot said he didn't want to cool it police violence he said that there was violence in society and they was violence within the police but he didn't want to politicize the issue and he didn't think it was an institutional problem so we just get caught in the tear gas here just to have a look it's just been released by the police officers as they're trying to control the situation so the firefighters can do their job you know many of the people who are against article 24 and the global security will say the problem with it is that there has been this is the mix issues in terms of violence within the police force
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and if cities can't say for example film police officers will be no able to show police brutality and not be problematic just outside the bank that was completely smashed up by some of the demonstrators you can see that a scooter or a motorcycle outside was there the bank itself was smashed people went inside they took the furniture from inside the bank brought it out and then they set these fires up outside the bank you see completely and utterly have trashed this particular bank that there have been other businesses that have been trashed like this on this street here in paris and we've also seen a number of causes as well there has been huge violence from the protesters towards the police to know that there is anger in the police generally that they feel that they reason enough protection. to them they say they face this incredible threat or protest like this but generally in their job they face huge of months of threats
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and violence against them they would r.c. like to see the laws strengthened musos there is a real difference between what police want and what many public groups lists and you use a cooling. well let's bring in our own 1st one who's a political commentator and professor at the catholic university of new vali good to have you with us sean the 1st thing i want to see say is we still so much anger these protests have been going on do you think that this draft law can be written in a way that the public will be happy all that said they just want to scrap for good . i don't think your d.h. and in a way that i'll be happy but the public i don't know because you see those very tense counterproductive in there are clearly strengthening the case of the government now the government of course argues that the speech of the policeman can
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be used to identify them and then threaten them on social media which is probably true but the problem of course is that if people wanted to speak just now they're going to judge their intentions whether their intention is to harm the police or not and it wasn't pictures are put on the net they can be used by other people who can then use them to threaten the police but that's not the fault of the people who've taken the put the pictures in the 1st place so i think this law is very unjustified now they say they're going to rewrite it which is of course that the majority of the difficulties ability to read in the 1st place out of party discipline that feel use because now they're going to say ok we force you to. i want to or i say we might have lost out so can you hear me. i yes i take that sorry i what i want to toss to was that paris has said that saddam and well it changed some of the articles but it well lot doesn't want to drop the part about
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filming the police why is it so insistent that. i don't look at the policeman you see the unions are policeman he's the conservative ones because they don't want to be doing something you know violent which could lead them to be then . the. people in the population i mean i think they have to be she. reasoned example of violence. and people. that the black finical was badly beaten by the police and that was only possible because their videos that's how. i think of the problem of again the police. that you know this government is supposedly but in fact
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is very very impressive never seen such repression demonstration. as and that this government. what do you think is going to happen we can see the protests tense so any signs of dying down if they continue at this pace of think or more no fly that what you think the government is going to do. we'll be a little more wary and that's going to strengthen the government from the figures i've seen it doesn't seem that the demonstration less a massive 2 day i don't know maybe 800000 in trance or 150000 the police is 50000 so there's be 2 times that number but it's not enormous and illustrate that the civil liberties problem. so many people i'm afraid of that because the. t.v.'s in many towns and so on is not necessarily the general population might be more concerned about economic issues. at sussing
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a thorny issue we're going to be watching how it all plays out thank you so much for speaking to us that was home for paul political commentator and professor at the cost of us state of nevada thank you very much. started to carry out the nation's what the sputnik vaiko is a job daily and factions across russia have been on the rise it's september and now it's at $28000.00 a day russia now takes us through the process and actually spoke to a doctor who was among the fust to receive the vaccination. this is one of 70 most clinics where fully equipped vaccination centers opened on such a day they will work from 8 am to 8 pm. hundreds of people daily i don't need it because i am one of thousands of volunteers who go through. phase 3 clinical trials but let's go inside and talk to the 1st volunteers of worlds and you call that mass vaccination by the way i still need to wear my mask. it's
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crowded here earlier said but teachers and doctors will be the 1st to receive. course it's all a voluntary basis but not everybody can get into action a candidate should be in good health 1st of course aged between 18 and 60 and this is why 1st of all newcomers should see a physician. that. this is a community they 1st need to be checked to see if they call it. if you are. it we believe to. be. qualified. candidates for seats to the tracks the
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nation room. ready to go for. the vaccine is kept in a special reserve or they bring the freezers together with the doses you can see it's minus $26.00 degrees celsius. up to the freezer the vaccine should stay in the room temperature for 1015 minutes meaning we have some time to talk to god you know. when we decided to get vaccinated. you know because i'm a doctor i'm in contact with covered positive patients i can use the word and come into potential contact with others who are sick unfortunately not everyone protects themselves and everyone's we are now asks the gloves i got sequenced and i don't want to get it again here for the homeless who can build thank god not to have only had a typical pneumonia not too severe thanks to my good immunity but also help people who are sick with hospitalizations and intensive care and needing long ventilators
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school and i don't want to see this anymore or become such a patient myself that in this city you would be in phase 3 of its clinical trial still but interim early results showed that the drug is 95 percent effective 42 days after the 1st shot they have a moment is approaching this is real work seen though placebo is used because this is not clinical trials but real vaccination and by the way those who took part in phase 3 of the clinical trials are real like me like i did and got placebo will not be allowed to be vaccinated until the trials are over. good enough how do you grade good do you know this just like any other vaccine
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great congratulations thank you. so sputnik be back to show it back to her now that he got the 1st wrong and she and all others vaccinated today will have to return here to get the 2nd child 21 day. vaccination center. well it's up to great britain the pool as well and truly rolling out ahead of mass vaccinations against private 192 and wales plans have been unveiled to issue special id cards for those getting the job and the move this creates in some faces might be made mandatory but despite top officials in the u.k. idea ruling out the idea. bolivia sort of covert passport for those who had the vaccine that's not the time i strongly urge people to take on the vaccine but it is no part of. this country to make vaccines that's not how we do things well this immunization idea will be about the size of a credit card it's going to include details including the maker of fuel vaccine the
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date you received it on the back now it will soon be used as a reference on a reminder for the 2nd job with informational what you should do if you have any side effects while plans for so-called immunity possible to remain on playing the u.k.'s health minister has done little to play down fears that maybe eventually we may need to get folks in it the sort of the pressure will come from both sway some service providers who will say look you know demonstrate to us that you can crack ok so it will become virtually impossible to do anything if you don't have the vaccine or to people have to make a decision but i think you'll like many service providers who will want to engage in this in the way they did with the op well over in the united states the defense department has published a photo outlining a similar plan dubbed a wreck or to card which will be distributed along with the fights a nation can. want to discuss this now i'm joined in life i talk to michael
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reconcile the liberal studies press and john dombrowski is the c.e.o. at the washington pain center and keith best a former vice chair of the european council refugees and exiles * good to have you with us michael our had to you i mean we had the officials in the u.k. back him saying that the vaccine is voluntary but if the feel that other aspects of our life will insist on us at some stage our job shops flying maybe yes that's correct i think these corporations will be more. assertive more. repressive and enforcing the vaccine by virtue of you know not being able to enter a store not being able to fly not didn't being able to enter a job location any number of that seventy's could be proscribed based on the length of the vaccine but this could bring things to a head in this country not pizza we know at that sutton dull 2 months even i you
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know id is all right for for what do you anticipate that a situation like this will see the same issue. well 1st of all i do understand the issues about civil liberties know i think there's increasing concern around the world in many quarters that the condemning his being here is an excuse by some governments to increase the surveillance and to increase. the libertarian issues and of course once you take away civil liberties it's very difficult to get them 'd restored so i understand that point but i think there are 2 big questions that have to be asked about all these that seems to sound and i'm not an epidemiologist but the 1st one is does the vaccine actually give you permanent immunity or will you have to go 'd back and get further injections so another words how long will the immunity last for 'd and i don't think we know that
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in many of these cases and the 2nd one of course is that it may it may actually give you personally immunity but does it actually stop being a spread of the virus to other people again i think the jury's out on that in many of these these cases so the idea that somehow having a card that you've been vaccinated is going to be proof that either you will not continue or not contagious for other people all that indeed you are immune yourself for a specific period it may not realistic now i think it's right that if if these are questions around since then increasingly institutions and others will want to see some sort of proof that you have been immunized in order to enable you to do certain things but i can't see any harm at the moment of having
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a certificate or a card as explorer aide memoire as it will. so the fact that you go to get your seconds that salacious or that. you know to have a record of the actual of the virus that you've received it's a fin dividing line those of where it goes off to the. not only what do you make of that do you think it's a harm because someone say we don't really have this not man to train without that . vaccines for example to back you know says also our born that's also a vaccine killed 1400000 last year quite similar numbers so why the new tear. that is a great question i think we've lost our collective minds with respect to how viruses work we were in the united states we had 18000 deaths from just the flu 10 years ago with the swine flu and it was 125000 americans killed and we did nothing we do
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always return immunity they're granted sometimes it's a natural process and this is how we all get vaccinated by by getting our own t. cells that immunity is based up and then we can get back vaccinated with like the idea that obviously frontline provider should probably be vaccinated 1st the out early the people who are sick but this was survivable illness we keep forgetting that the likelihood of deaths which is what i really care about as a physician is death is incredibly low depart the largest part is survivability and he had an 80 year old in the united states i mean their chance of surviving is 96 percent so we have to really look at what are we trying to treat and to your other guest here is the cure worse than a disease well if we're going to lose our civil liberties over this what are we really treating americans and we all in the globe need to always push back science always questions things this is not thing of states that's religion this is science to us question what are we doing and what are the end results what i want to come
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back to the idea of these i mean it's impossible from the id cards now some would say that that may be a bit discriminatory about going to require a site when he recently says some watchman power trying to pick it up they tend to think that there are some countries with the way of being able to keep up with the soul. you know there's there are countries that won't be able to keep up with it in also the there's there's going to be a significant proportion of the american population that is going to see it as an arbitrary imposition of a and of an agenda there's a great percentage of the american population that believes there's an agenda behind this entire program fascinations lockdowns unmasking a kind of they're looking at it in terms of this global reset in which they're trying to establish a kind of new economy and people are very very very reluctant and there's going to be a lot of facts seen resist years in the united states
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a tremendous amount of vaccine resisters and i say this could bring political tensions in the us which are already exacerbated by the election to a head. and now he's picking up on that jonathan sad sad making an id card why she wasn't very protests isn't necessary until you think that we're going to see really strong public pushback on this well 1st of all i don't think it is necessary to make it compulsory i think the government's set its face against such already and as you've indicated it's not the british way we don't make these things compulsory but of course as was indicated by one of your other guests i mean if fair or 'd indeed by health minister it may become almost mandatory if you actually want to do so not to fifty's i mean if if some sort of certificate falls ill vaccination is required then it does become an
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sublimate mandatory but not just a great concert but i cannot see any british government actually making that sedation on anything quite frankly even where it manifestly does save lives such as ringback the mumps measles and rubella the m.m.r. jab i mean that's not being made compulsory in there are some vaccine resistance who sadly i mean nazi have seen their children die as a result of not having had them that accelerates you believe in then we don't make it compulsory so i can see this being made compulsory bill in any event you know the jury really is out on this one i mean. we were in the very early stages of frankly experimental vaccination and we really don't know what the long term 'd side effects might be or if they were either and that of course is going to make i'm afraid some people are reluctant to be vaccinated the fact that it's in their
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minds will be unproven despite all the clinical trials they 'd will not be satisfied that there isn't some sure. she ignores the lines so side effect of this war or something else which has not been disclosed or even may not be disclosable because it's not known about the president not tell him about these immunity possibles they do you think that there are a sutton industries which obviously have suffered so much over the last few months that will think you know what if this is the only way i can get myself up and running i can keep giving livelihoods to my employees but i'm going to do it. sure you can certainly see that with the airline industry the hotel industry anything to do or travel going to get on you know we have passports to travel through country could this be a no other quote a health passport to do that i could surely see that what they're doing there with
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the aspect of saving their livelihood because of a liability issue here in the united states we're trying to do is come have congress pass laws about holding companies harmless about i got infected at your restaurant i got inspected a year for things like that that also shuts things down of soap is it again this is a very slippery slope to have this special id card i think we need more laws to protect these industries versus a national id card and again what are we jail for those people who already have natural immunity because the majority of these people for everyone that's been identified there are probably 3 or 4 that already have this virus infected had very minimal symptoms and they're having a body so they don't need a vaccine we've kind of loss what happens with colds and flus and things like that we always are surrounded by these some people get them significantly some people have a very mild case but at the end of day we build up the unity naturally and vaccines can help other ones now michael of course the people who have who really are
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concerned about at risk groups the more vulnerable people who have been terrified of going outside obscene they need to be protected i know the idea of the great good test kind of lost its importance not its popularity but there are some who would say you know i want we all need to suck it up so that everyone oh of society can live funny again what do you say to those people. well i mean if you look at the history of such uses of such terms as the common good in the greater good it doesn't have a very good history let's let's face it this is usually the friendly flight face of totalitarianism but for the vulnerable where we already are doing what we need to do to protect them to keep them isolated and central and a vaccine that we don't know the side effects of and we don't know the way to even operate other than that it produces proteins that mimic the iris and we don't know what the downsides are of the long term effects the residual concatenation of.
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a sax that my car occur because of this for a virus that has such a low mortality rate it seems to be quite an extreme measure so yeah with the common good i mean i think that people should be wise to the idea that when people eat with phrases like the common good or the greater good there's totalitarianism right it right behind it. frankly i can't to wrap up just that seconds what do you think and it's a possible 21st century new type of facebook troll. well we've had to carry such a fake scroll but fax nation things like this you know the whole sport so before i get certain diseases so that's not new but i think you know i take the point that's already been made many many patients are saving and that is we really don't know enough about this vaccine yet i mean to try to make it compulsory in any way. you know in a sort of negative or a positive way would be extremely dangerous at this stage. and dad john
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a final what do you ask the same thing record breaking. how do we get it under control without infringing on people's habits which is the ultimate him. sure i would i would not really want to focus on cases this is what we're focusing on which is the wrong number i don't really care how many of you will have just like i said the swine flu we had 60000000 people infected in 10 years ago we just stopped testing so what i'm suggesting is not necessarily the case numbers are poor but i care about the look out he how many people are in the i.c.u. tommy in the hospital things like that in case numbers you know come and go over really matters to me as a physician is people who are sick and are dying those are the people that we need that that's a big take home message not how many cases we have how many gesta we have in here in the united states if you look at the mortality of last year this year and the mortality rate in the united states was the same in the midst of
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a pandemic i don't know. how can that be absent a lot to discuss and thank you so much for coming on dr michael right to involve john dombrowski and of course of the past that thanks a lot. will be back at the top perhaps more than. always be polite never engage with a negative a good or confrontational. don't get into any conversation or start answering questions just ask. surviving terror geisha. definitely don't want to be going to try
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