in from iran for the assassination of kusum silly money but surprise it hasn't been any media it's a retaliation for for the latest assassination. no it's not surprising that because i think and i think other said iran who acts again more prudently and bake for biden to come. to act before that would would be almost suicidal right i mean if anything though there bori you know. what i do in the what is a month and a half left of his presidency so they're going to be very careful in iraq and other places that to make sure not to get into complications that's definitely what the majority i think of the iraqi leadership and the surfer mia how many would want you saying that the killing of kasim soon emani by donald trump is comparable to the 943 u.s. assassination of japanese admiral yamamoto why was it such an important matter. what is the 1st time since then of the u.s. killed a leading general of the of another country frankly been

a difference that he was actually of course in a war with japan but he was not in any war with iraq so i mean it's something to assess their heads of terrorist groups but to cuba a leading general or a.t.v. general of another country. you know it's i mean it's something that has been as you pointed at as many as he was of course illegal acquitted russian law but it's also just one president whatever you want and it's a gallop the turnings make joe biden to restore the reputation of kusum so they money as someone who for with us troops against as a day as an archival. president biden has got to do that. but i do but i do think it is going to try to play with the with iran and you know if you try to promise as i tried to say in the book i mean the mistake that people often make is and iran can be complex because they listen to the and p. american ism of the islamic republic and its leadership and making. this means that

they won't be able to negotiate with the rest of the us it's not true it's never been true as you pointed out there has been many instances of not just a wish issue but military collaboration in afghanistan iraq and other places not the many americans are given we are told about that in the media just set the scene like you did in the book of where kos emslie money came from you talk about this province of command in the 170 s. halfway between amazing western hellbent sophistication and an ancient past. well sort of money came from tribal areas of southern iran of cameron province my own mother's come on so i had a personal connection to the story but like what is going to be important troy his career was that he came he had this tribal past me was not from the urban centers or the fact his hometown was a good couple 100 kilometers away from care moneymen a sort of the provincial center there and that gave him. that underdog feeling if you will. carry on but also an understanding of how tribal relations can work

really later helped him be able to do what he did in afghanistan in iraq and out of obviously the i.r.g.c. is a a unit or a regiment or you going to tell me what it is it's often used in the media there in syria they're here they're there tell me about the birth of enter now you know way when it was born of even emilia we including you know marxist like ali cherie r.t. as as you'd put your aim in this book. and show you as a generally inspiration sort of for the revolution as someone you know lives on what try to mix everything on islam on marxism but you know i r g c was founded after the revolution in that in 79 and the basic idea was be have we have just had a revolution before the islamic republic and even aired to the army khomeini was very clear that you don't want to be spun the army like what's all the more radical elements want to do but the question was the army and this it's just in this state

are not going to serve their evolution and loyally because they are inheritors in the past every revolution in history has had to deal with this issue so what the iranian revolution 79 and i mean it either should did was that they helped the formation of this independent guard the i.r.g.c. who has nonpolluting to become really the main military force in iran and it meant a konami force really controls much of the iranian economy and of course it's been the personal to course on guard of michael holland to follow his policies in the region but what's interesting about i you see is that it doesn't use the name iran in c. even title and that's one reason i say seeds sees itself as 10 islamic and international and also its leaders are very clear that they don't see themselves a saudi bomb by the iranian constitution but they believe the ideal to defend the revolution of the ideals of since the 9 am comes 1st not that they always practice this because you know as many other big bloated military organization there's a lot of options. yet there's a there's

a lot of shortcomings on it. well yeah and if anyone thinks they are east taken to have their eyebrows raised by the allegation in your book that israel and iran against iraq have to tell you an israeli there and would barak have terminated the interview when i told him about his really involvement in financing a mass had just tell me how israel came to be supplying weapons to iran. yes ali this is a you know one of those crazy or necessary but in the 1980 s. and the context of the conflicts that they were in iraq war it's trial was pointless that even weakening saddam effectively reach it so at the bigger tread israel had had good relations with the dish in iran before the revolution with the shah of iran and it sort of had a belief that well the iran they're doing islamised phase but they'll get will go out of it that sort of one of the beliefs of many israeli had and that's why yes they impact israel armed iran in the war with iraq and they even you know they be

they were there was a star of david on the on the some of the military equipment used the front which caused surprise by a lot of in among a lot of iranian soldiers who are you know who knew they were very strong on things really are now you know there's been a lot of criticism for years about the neoliberal turn of economics in iran making the rich richer in iran and the poor poorer in this book you say the i.r.g.c. has been relatively immune and benefited from a kind of an a keynesian militarism in terms of economic policy. yes will be i r g c well it has been immune and it has driven and it's an interesting it's an it's and it's an interesting point but from the ninety's as iran. basically what happened the night in that is after the death of michael holland in $89.00 is that the iranian leadership decides that it wants to be kept in effect it goes through the catalyst for the 1st 10 years of evolution they're not sure there are people

who are very much in the socialist side they want to nationalize everything they want to be having in the strand are those who prioritize private relations in that their leader sense the direction has been defended toward capitalism and that has been this generally are you see as as a help to but not unlike china and some other countries. the on r.g.c. and the bodies are at it with our want our parastatal you can say and in many ways they act like pride act like oligarchy is and sort of private corporations affected me so they are you see has bought helped to iran's tend to capitalism and privatisation but it's also stopped it from becoming and have to this innovator you know many economic advisor have stated ronnie administration won because of course in its demise and competition and it doesn't help it doesn't it doesn't let iran have a more sort of free market now why was it important to kill. him silly

money i mean trump may have done it for various reasons but why was he on the radar to be killed even when he was working with u.s. troops to defeat isis has. well i think you are true general reasons that that man you know many people wanted him dead in washington versus that yes he need to collaborate with the u.s. against the isis although not directly against sex but let's just say they you know they were in the same side of course iraq but he had also been i mean he had helped kill a lot of american soldiers before and a lot of people in america i'm intercepted and released this is the stolen money they know the stolen money is the man who helped. and after the iraq invasion of 2 doesn't she helped really stop iranian plans with as i said that was it that on the defeat of israel into any 06 and you call it an arguable defeat when israeli made in lebanon but it's well that surely also has

a role so i was going to get sort of that as part of a 2nd other so that was that but it is 2nd thing that also the money was a very effective commander who was able to really put together a sheer chance national army organized tens of thousands of soldiers in different countries including lebanon and yes there are all of course the irony in this gentlemen hezbollah and turning it into a more military capable force as you saw in the in a 2006 why are. we i mean what are we are you a better it's you know you know whether it's a pack of the futurist for what our side it's there's no doubt that there's all are really far out in that war you know much more you know much more strongly that it itself would have imagined and i think one of the main reasons and i think this is very keen on the same still in mali is that so in mine is a guy who really is able to make his forces more military capable is less talk and more action and that's that's you know what made him popular and unpopular people sick and on a facile manila's lethal. issue you do believe then when silly money tweeted

game of thrones line a trump alas that may have been his demise. well you know to be honest joy i mean it's obscene well i mean the but i mean i've you know the white house on this one of the montana happens not to be very picky and to make decisions on a personal basis frankly so i think so but i mean i think it was also reflective of something bigger so the money had come out of the shadows if you read the last year and he did enjoy taunting trump repeatedly so it definitely definitely had a role in trump making this the end that he didn't. talk trash as a thank you. after the break biden palestine as i speak to pink floyd legend roger which is also all coming up in part 2 of going underground.

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back today marks the anniversary of the scotland yard arrest of the world's most famous journalist and publisher julian a songe now being tortured according to the un in a london jail ahead of a possible de facto death sentence in the usa a songe of his wiki leaks organization aided edward snowden's escape from u.s. capture as well as revealing the extent of u.s. illegality around the world one of his on his defenders pink floyd frontman roger

waters joins me now from new york thanks so much roger for coming on just before we get to julian assange i'm just going to ask his 1st time i've talked to you since you celebrating the election of joe biden as president of the united states. now that's a long story what about the labor party getting rid of may when. she made a wonderful little thing for double down use an ivory tweet today but it was already getting great traction everybody should watch it everybody in. the house to watch it ok updating i mean well you mentioned that german coleman is has been suspended from the british labor party the former labor leader leader with a cloud of anti semitism over him what do you think severe storms are to resign. niamey winburn ajay so should be the leader of the labor party not the clone. dhamma who at the moment is naomi is a woman who tells the truth and also she has

a platform because she is a jewish lady of loman great standing in the british labor party and she must be hurt judy in a songe obviously it is disgusting that you and i having to have this conversation again and again the powers that be in the united kingdom will be entranced that you and take no notice of the universal declaration of human rights in baba blah blah blah blah blah law or justice or any of the rest of it they will continue as they do putin will say that they are to follow the instructions of washington d.c. which will be exactly the same i suspect from joe biden as they were from donald trump biden called him a high tech a terrorist what what are you hearing from. people about songes condition because they've been worrying room is around that he's overseeing this prison that corona virus has caused a 24 hour lock and well i'm hearing all the same things that you're hearing you

know my sources in terms of they can go through coal that we witnessed a couple of months ago. craig maret mainly who wrote detailed accounts of what went on in the coal which was clearly a completely set up job i'm assuming that a judgment from from the magistrate of a full going conclusion why she suddenly at this late stage would kick off the traces. where of course what's going to happen is that the defense the people the lawyers representing julian will appeal and it will drag on for another however long it's going to try to go on and the powers that be are hoping. there julian will die in prison that's why they're keeping him locked down a belmarsh where he sits so much risk i mean it's quite extraordinary that he's been under lock and key for what 4 or 500 days now having committed no crime except

a maiden minor minor and fridge well julia son has actually served his bail infringement breaks a ruling expected on a journey for 2021 but his own lawyer edward fitzgerald says that. trump if trump is reelected it will be worse for julian a songe and famously of course. people around biden are connected to a scientist former lawyer mark clooney and a prominent democrat party liberals. yes of course if trump had been re-elected it would have been worse for everyone in the world but that doesn't make biden a good candidate biden is a dyed in the wool were among grading servant of the oligarchy that rules the united states american will continue to be so for however long he remains president of the united states he's not to be trusted on anything do you think joe biden is going to move the american embassy back to tell the v.a.

are you kidding he's made it quite clear that he's the staunchest zionist friend of . of israel that could possibly be in office so i hope that he and kids start a happy sleeping in that caught that they're going to share for the next few years kiss our. term of 8 or of them having any power under any circumstances because they are clearly not clear thinkers they clearly don't believe in human rights they clearly have no interest in the law to have no interest in the united nations they have no interest in the geneva conventions they have no interest in any of the things that in near to my heart and to your heart should and i'm completely impartial you have campaigned for upholding of un security council resolution resolutions all your life you don't expect biden to reverse the trump

position on the golan heights the illegal declaration by the united states of the opposing un security council resolution making out that it was israeli now of course not i don't expect him to. reverse any of that nonsense i expect him to absolute they abide by the deal of the century obviously i'm pretty happy that skinny piece of. nobuko cushion or is no longer in the white house pretending to form foreign policy for the middle east will try to charm son in law has been in saudi arabia reportedly recently on the u.s.s. nimitz has been heading to the persian gulf i mean do you think as some people have said and i know you have campaigned against atrocities in gaza that it was a signal the assassination of the iranian scientists a bit like cast lead was on gaza before obama was elected president. you've wipe the smile on my face these extrajudicial assassinations that. the united states

encourage it well commits and all but also encourages all of the world it seems likely that the iranians physicist was murdered by mossad or some other israeli agents in. something that even i find their hearts joke about because they are so disk assisting and obviously so counterproductive to any possibility of the rest of us those of us who care about human life and about this fragile planet we all call home maintaining it for some time in the future i mean i am so i am i say have before you with any out 10 minutes to deal with i can say i have had 10 hours and talk to action about the state of the world and joe biden and bob you mention the environment obliquely there i mean he said he supporters say he had to mention that he supports fracking is a political thing and in fact he will be environmentally conscious we have subdued cease f.

ing well toll here lewis has for his entire career joe biden is the ultimate yes man to corporate america and he always will be and for anybody to expect any different from him now he's president of the united states is clearly not very bright because to happen as andras originally offered a political asylum in the london embassy of a country then allied to venezuela in the bolivarian revolution biden said the when he was the 1st democratic candidate to tweet the majority must step aside do you expect a stepping up against the venezuelan government by a washington under by the presidency who was. the president has changed his hats or his name he's now called biden he was called trump the policies aren't going to change the style will change he will have the big cheesy. white expensive american dentistry grin. and he won't be

quite as vile in public as donald trump was. and in consequence he probably won't be quite as popular because obviously trump's vileness went down very well with probably nearly hoff's the population of the united states of america so the sure rather is american politics will continue on abashed and who knows maybe in 4 years time the d.n.c. who purport to represent the democratic party in the united states of america will wake up and will support a candidate that represents the needs and aspirations of ordinary working american people that had won this time he was called bernie sanders he should have been macand in that he would have won the election by us hugely great a margin than joe biden did and he will vote credibly move

the embassy back to tell of a vote and he would try and make inroads into the incredibly divisive economic policy of the current corporate regime that is the united states of america well the senator from vermont bernie sanders does back joe biden seems to be the theme for the has a beam and what every is or isn't any sound is he still a politician you know so he can't say the things i do i'm not a politician on not looking for saddam not looking for popularity all i have to do is tell my truth. that's all i have to do that is my only responsibility as a humble bass player. clerics are very ok with your pa you're part of the liberal elite that they often talk about on the western eastern coast of the. 8 or the working

classes of the united states on hey you passing on that nonce conservative trolls that i have to put up with search. ok which is finally i mean if little is going to change as you said different that doesn't judges. what's going to happen to him i don't change all these other issues may not change what about the working classes of the united states you think their futures some are going to be in twined with the donations to biden from silicon valley and and hedge funds well happens to the working class in the united states isn't the parisienne of what goes on your bullshit. that little game that they play the game the democrats and the republicans are claiming russian president nothing to do with the needs of the working crouse so of course it won't have any effect on them they're

not going to change color sit behind she states isn't going to suddenly becomes better not going to have a ball of our own rep and show and aspirants of behinds venezuela my a sponsor of hate america would leave them alone or none of them get on with the democratic side of this regime i have in venezuela it's not going to happen in the united states in the next 4 years there is going to have to suicide going to have to be a clone with the aspirations of preparing rates to a even greater extent than they are at the moment in my view for anything to have the. right lives maps out the movements the women's movements leading the way. require and by the choir i mean all those of us who are all au-prince of the idea that there might be an old son. neo liberal

capitalism. all beginning to organize ourselves 250000000 homeless went on a general strike being in year 3 preach a pretty sharp in his news that's if there was a general strike ingrates all over the well people of beginning to say come no come out sweep. ok and so the people are beginning to express their feelings and that is very healthy and not makes mine. good on you. promise mom or they want to grow through you're hungry that is all they want to do harm they're too. much. they want. from big pharma and i'm not talking about ph any soaking about this huge industry slowly slowly slowly. and

a consequence are going to destroy the planet roger waters thank you and that's it for the show will be back on wednesday 33 years to the day the 1st intifada started in revolt against illegal israeli occupation of palestine over 3 decades later the situation for the palestinian people appears to have only got worse with gaza now arguably uninhabitable and the west bank facing constant threats of further u.s. backed british israeli annexation until then join me on the ground on you tube twitter facebook instagram and. joe biden they indeed be inaugurated in january of next year so lever will you have a legitimate mandate well the next campaign starts when the next president takes office and the new liberal order is headed by the only marriage in. the world is driven by a dream shaped by one person. the

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