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morning headlines in about an hour's time to join us again then. hello and welcome to cross talk we're all things are considered i'm peter lavelle job i may indeed be inaugurated in january of next year however we have a legitimate mandate will the next campaign start when the next president takes office and the new liberal order is headed back into power what will be their idjit .

to discuss this and more i'm joined by my guest george samueli in budapest he is an author in a you tuber at the gaggle and here in moscow we crossed a messy he is an expert at the russian international affairs council originally from socceroos in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i was appreciated ok let's go to george in budapest. i've been looking at the election results or how the election results are being presented to the to the public and the world here i can't help but get the feeling that if this had happened in any other country in the world the united states would have stepped in or made a lot of noise about democratic norms and demanding a recount and all of this kind of thing here but if they don't because it's happening to themselves you know it's just an interesting pretty kabob how democracy is spoken about and practiced in the united states and how it's spoken about and practiced internationally go ahead george yeah absolutely right because everything that is known to lie in the election all that in the ballot the thing.

that people voting. laws be changed arbitrarily and unconstitutionally in order to make essential a 1000000 voting can take place without any of the checks that were supposed to be in place if any of this had happened in russia say the state department would you know not only be remain at the top of it was it would already be imposing sanctions on russia well the phony election so that's exactly right. and we don't even have to talk about. what would happen in all the countries i mean if they had been donald trump who had be come out with the glad the when and having profit $170.00 the electoral college as we go. i have that had come out what

would have been the media response the media would have been screaming this in the broader donald trump has there's no mandate every single accusation or. illegality every single act of national electoral or must be investigated by really must go to court must go to the state legislators and also them not to start it by the electorate as we know that that would have been the response of the us media when he has a map and because the result. is something that is desired by much of the media so there are years back election all the training about it but complaining accept the results and let's move over and. coming by an error and we forget even got one thing george they would have resurrected the russia gate hoax just as an extra you know insurance policy as. you know you know matz one of the interesting things it's could come about here consider and depending on what donald trump

intends to do in january of next year and the reason i ask you because during. the fall of the of the czarist empire of the imperial government there was a jewel power that bottled out during that what would become part of the russian revolution here this is something something akin to what i mean joe biden may be the legal president of the united states but in the eyes of tens of millions. up to 73000000 he will not be and he and trump will still have a form of legitimacy that. biden is going to be hard to. to out shine as it were because as george pointed out here and i am not making any accusations here i'm going by what i hear in the meat but there is. a lot of good

regularities and i'm being very polite about irregularities here so i mean what does this portend for american. america's political future when you're going to have a legal president and you're going to have a lot of other people saying he's not my president the other guy is go ahead minutes right well 1st of all any president including that of the united states are usually operates in 3 dimensions and it's 3 donates as a politician as a bureaucrat and is it a matter of chiefs still who are biting the floors as to kind of smooth over of the things that you just mentioned it is and we're going to show that he's a more kind of capable bureaucrat you know he will have to ensure that there is a faster transition that there be that he's people you know feel if he were positions that the. campus of the government. and the media i'm pretty sure will pick up on that merits to portray him as a more authentic you know capable governor as it does a more capable person to govern the united states and that the way some other out

there americans who will differ trunks will be and it's a challenge now as a politician by the worst has to care about his farm his re-election is for his victory in the next election cycle we're still have to say very positions that are supposed to strengthen that have a presence inside united states you know given gratian reform that will house you know about 11000000 illegal immigrants or a bit more than 20 potentially even that within our investors and this is where several tash will democrats use receiver that's for the next election including congressional action and as a commander in chief bill b. you know all this focus is on external threats that i think we'll talk about later so we're city you know these will be kind of the 3 domains he's administration will pursue and the media will very much focus on to you know you. you mentioned this

after it's out shiny and it's more strong because there's a much bigger is not there to read i'll try but then there will be this resource that i think the media the mainstream media and other actors in the insight you can that states will try to boost by this presidency and as you're accurately mentioned and i think that's pretty much general in the u.s. election it's fair in the us political system that is very much dependent on election cycles and as they say the next election cycle starts the day the next day after the inauguration. it will doubly so george because what's going to happen here my prediction is at least number one night trump is going to stay in the in the in the limelight obviously he's a showman 1st and foremost and he likes to create he likes to tease the public and he likes to create into is a patient and what he will end up doing is it went whenever that joe biden ministration proposes or talks about there's going to be objects position in the

trump is issue is this and he will have all of his. his orbit of people around him amplifying that all the time so it is going to be a binary whatever. the biting ministration proposes there's going to be an equal effect with the people that support donald trump because and again i'm not making any claims here but a lot of people believe that this election was stolen from them and and then and until that is result which i doubt it will be there's this is going to hang over american politics for them for the next 4 years and actually freeze american politics for the next 4 years oh and by the way george the media will love it because they make a lot of money off it yes that's right and. 2 probably as things stand on january 20th you know roll day donald trump will not attend biden's inhere ation he will hold a rally of his own. during which he will almost certainly announce his candidacy

for 2024 he brought he did that. during the rally on saturday in georgia i mean more or less said that that if he isn't in the office on january the 21st he will be the candidate in 2024 so that's the question he will then declare his candidacy if and that means everything will be about. contending with with the policies of the by and in this region so this won't be like the normal electoral cycle or who will be the republican nominee but in 2020 people this will be don't trump is making his comeback and he is the leader of the opposition and so whatever you say whatever biden intends to do there will be. tweeting holding a rally is giving interviews. several times a day on fox news and this will be

a kind of the focus of the opposition so the biden astray she is already hopeful from the beginning there's no goodwill towards him there's no honeymoon period he is already scrambling. against the opponent that will be that he is the looming ever larger and he's intent on destroying him you know matz it in how do you think the outside world is going to look at this is it again you know. joe biden may be the legal president under the constitution but you know you it will be even noticed that there's the who's driving the news cycle who's driving what the different discussions about policy it will be a candidate that's like it george said on inauguration day you know action starts and candidate trump is going to be determining a great deal of what that discourse is how will the outside world look at as well they just be in awe or they be terrified or just be mystified go ahead. right well

i think will throughout human history doesn't work until perhaps 21st century whose army wins in the 21st century it's super the story wins so i think one of the things to counter trap activity as far as i can imagine in the united states is that big media in the act is trying to strip him off that information space where he's share of the information space you know which we are perhaps banning his accounts and you know major channels including fox news you know he's been very supportive of trump throughout most of his presidency but on some instances they've been also critical or not providing the platform for the president so you might be well at least to me to try to marginalize him inside the united states to create the picture for the rest of the world that he's not the what you know meeting any upshots so if that happens of course the critical battle will be of who gets to control the prophecy who gets super cold the budget and all those things as far as

the perceptions are concerned i think of the world will be will be divided because we now see that so you know maybe in american allies in western europe nato allies cheerleader were were biting and really were you know welcome to him and were among the 1st to congratulate him on what these tricks and were as other american allies in the middle east in particular were less so you know confuse the aspic and trump was a better person to deal with it at least as you know their interests were served in the relationship of the united states was a mixed bag in asia i would say you know some prefer to continue working with trump others continued you know thought that you know it's perhaps a new normality underbite would be worse for them so i think it will mean less will still be a less certainty for the rest of the world. as far as what it is going on and you

know what i mean i want to end on this part of the program here that i think it'll be it'll be very very interesting is that you know if there's are the potential of another term presidency why would other countries around the world want to get an agreement with joe biden gave remains to be on things are going to look at a short break. and he were discussion and some real news day. or. join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and i'll be speaking to guest of the world of politics sports business i'm showbusiness i'll see of that. one else seemed wrong all rolled just don't call. me all

get to see how this thing comes to capital and in detroit because the trail. when someone find themselves worlds apart. just to look for common ground. yes there is a saying. i think they're going to be chief justice and then through and through all that country stuff let's ideas they're right let's go to his country he said if we give them everything slip to the past. leave this country. this is what we don't understand how we are in such

conflicts. of interests until the ones at the same time. the soon to run up or lose similar. i do not. need one but i get the because if you feel if the minutes of on board not that god can we believe again with the phone about a couple of trips with the plane. to come back to the place story you have to see. at least. to move. to. welcome back to cross talk you're all things are considered i'm sure mind you discussing some real news.

ok let's go back to george in budapest won't we i think that you know the 2 of all 3 of us here on this program can easily for seeing a lot of gridlock in the next 4 years and we focus quite a bit also are on domestic politics and just sail in international politics what's going to be very interesting here george for me is that if we have these laser thin majority for the g.o.p. for the democrats in the house of representatives and depending on what happens in georgia the senate remains in the hands of the g.o.p. so ergo there's only one thing with with some kind of effectiveness that by doing ministration can pursue is foreign policy ok and i think that because of because they'll be this sense of gridlock in that sense the reality of gridlock in washington the in the new administration have to disappear that come to pass in january they're going to say this is the only thing we have got and now they're you know they're putting the band back together from the obama years and even from the

george w. bush years and the world is their oyster right now i'm not very optimistic about that because they didn't want to show themselves to be effective meaningful and that means maybe using a lot more force like we saw under obama what do you think george i agree with here that that will be the priority. biden inspiration because as you say they won't really have much margin to maneuver when it comes to the mess that they didn't get a mandate that they were expecting what the polls were predicting so this is they have bashed it if you look at their pronouncement the pronounce of the blame gana by jake's all the it's all about how let's have act was foreign policy you know well let's show russia who's boss let's show who didn't and he and the price the pay into play here and. let's show china that we're ready to compete with them. in every country in the well let's show. the

mischievous regimes like assad was boss and that was the only intent to overthrow them so they don't really have any clear idea what it is they're trying to achieve other than they want an activist american foreign policy and activist american foreign policy usually means interference in other countries. both by a saw integrating all these phony civil society programs by not so it's all about sanctions and ultimately military intervention so no doubt that will be dressed up as right you know we're competing with china because if we don't do it china will make all plays so i think that's going to be the mentality and i think it's going to be and that's the. coming couple of years you know max you know when it was during the. trump administration where russia gate was full blown.

now we it looks like we may have an administration will have members there were some of the biggest proponents of this hoax here and these type of people are arrogant they're not particularly smart well connected and they have great credentials at least when as the ruling class b. i don't see them eating their words they're never going to admit they've been wrong and so once a rush again or always a rush again or and now they will haue power that doesn't portend well for the future my friend go ahead well i think there are 3 elements here 1st of all your wisdom 3. things for next time ok to trinity it's like the trinity right tackle it well 1st of all 1 throughout the trump ministration yours the barrister criticize trump for 1st of all these team is incompetent. second he's in

a rush to litter and thirdly. he's undermining american leadership so basically the gathered team 2 who they want to portray him as more competent less rusher friendly and you know that will interest or american leadership which when you look at into into the composition of the team that you see that a lot of these people have known each other for many many many years and pretty much going from scene circles i don't want to call it a lot but there's definitely a good share of the group think and this is one of the risks of the able to actual decision making on top of foreign policy decisions that i think is as it were for many people inside the united states as well and even if you're somewhere just inside the democratic party or states perhaps more than a professional that person it would be to the best of america if you are secondly their main $88.00 is the worst that through the trumpet ministration that there is a great need to fight what they call populists at home inside the united states in

the western society and authoritarian leaders brought me since and being and not hers so when they bring a lot of this you know human rights agenda sure and there's a worse. i stick with russia we tried it was and other countries that america has a strategic disagreements with that's that's of course a big worry that's early elsewhere say you mentioned the russia game it wants russia good roles for russia good or i grew with you it's just perhaps i think that they will focus more on russia is in control after in the united states and you know kind of approach out more pressure on russia outside you know way kind of bringing russia to where it should be as it is a big you know concern to risk a threat united states and that of course does not a whole new very optimistic on all of the 3 accounts here but i agree with everything you're going to say you know georgia gives it that it doesn't it doesn't really worry me is that. you know like i said once a russian gator always

a russian gator and they're going to end it now they have the lovers howard on it and i think you know when we look at you know trump was soft on russia maybe the evidence doesn't show that whatsoever what worries me is even more i mean it gets down to at the at the end of the day you know what kind of conflict do you want to have you want to call conflict or a hot one because it's going to be a conflict no matter what. yes that's right they are talking because they want to sound very soothing because the base of this foreign policy that we're talking about is something i was very unpopular among the american public. they basically kept all this hidden and why i say sue things i will return to the new start treaty maybe we'll return to the j.c. p.o. way will return to the paris plane of the 4 who rejoined the w.h.o. so it's all sounds very soothing 5. but in reality when they talk about returning

to the new. renewing the new start treaty that goes together with all sorts of threats and assertions that they're going to now challenge russia well of course if you're going to go in with that attitude then russia will have very little interest in renegotiating a new start treaty so that's really what they're trying to do i mean they are going to compete with russia and china that they know that their mentality where in every part of the world so those sort of business and they pretty much made no secret of this will be syria i mean this is this is a you know goes back to the obama as they were they would feel that obama failed in syria they will renewed their regime change if war is syria even though they're against making will the right noises were against regime change where again forever was at best that's not really what they can that's not their mentality if they will

do that ukraine again that's something that so that goes back to the obama if that's what biden's bailey wick. again that they're going to stop interfering they're going to go with me to. the caucasus with in the corner car bomb prices that they're going to find more and more places to intervene in and to show that america is back. and this of course does bring them into conflict with russia. and i think that's why. they have the prospects are not at all right on course or not you know max one of the interesting things just something the george mentioned in passing is that the foreign policy. that this new team are opposing is unpopular with the public i mean it's you know if it means going back to the you know the going back to what was normal as if there was anything normal about the obama administration that and this is again the professional manager ariel class

saying to the public is that we know better than you do and that it's no it's no surprise that during the g 2020 alexion foreign policy was hardly. discussed whatsoever here so again we have this kind of separation between what they manage royal professional class believes should be done and what the public wants the public is against these wars here and if george is right and unfortunately he probably is right we have more we have the same old wars continuing and possibly some new ones and we after 3 presidential election cycles in a row ever is consistently these conflicts are on wanted they're not popular with the public and that was the reason why i'm bringing that up because then and 2024 you know they think there's going to be a candidate out there and say i told you so they will never end these wars there if

the democrats are giving this individual a gift go ahead max right well i think oh it is a president proponents of greater operations of the united states and russia in an ideal world i can name the tons of issue where moscow and washington could generally cop rate and we're sure that that's not going to happen and you know that letter by letter relations lost their meaning. to many in washington and for now we're pretty much left with what the best we can do is to manage confrontation you know make sure that this conversation does not spill over to a hot war as you imagine well never yet and sitting everything that's happened here ok if russia gate and all of this here why should anyone in russia trust with any american administration says about anything i'm sorry getting i think there's a lot of there's a lot of truth in it ok you know i mean or where is the trust or what i want you know i don't want i'm an american you're russian i don't we should never be enemies

but you know because given what the elites have done in washington there's no reason for us to be friends i think they're go ahead no i don't disagree with this it's just my point it wouldn't be there's definitely no trust no one really i say anyone at their worse it's just that i think you know the best looking do is to make you know managed confrontation meaning that there is no hot war and this perhaps will get based on heart or you know old school terms. and you know that's promotional you're you can do but i think and on the issue larry our policy of this kind of intervention is not united states absolutely it's totally not popular there is both on the side of the progressive you know one hand the republicans that these interventions are an idea you know they try to you you know the democratic establishment try to present some brand their foreign policy i think

that's a report recently of why the democratic vice foreign policy would be beneficial for the middle class how well let's see how that turns out to be right maybe that's a topic for another program because i'd like to know the answer to that or i would run out of time i want to thank my guests in budapest and in moscow when i think our viewers are watching us here are so you next time remember us the tools. because there's a survival guide up station just like all the stars simply at least. don't forget the past. oh heck no. repatriations look at the rest of 70. philip a separate kaiser report. is your media a reflection of reality. in

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