hello and welcome the crosstalk are all things are considered on purely about what is the fate of the progressive movement can it continue to coexist with the mainstream establishment left is its current trajectory an electoral dead end and temp aggressives be part of a greater political realigning. to discuss this and more i'm joined by my guests jamie right in los angeles she is the founder of the right box herman and a political and also in los angeles we have 3 around what is about she is an independent journalist and co-host of the congo couch and in new york we have john burnett he is co-chair of public affairs and public policy for new york republican state committee right across up rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i was appreciate it may was going to be an last angelus as

a put the progressive on the panel here what is the state of the progressive movement now you did get the vote out for joe biden you did it at least rhetorically and publicly close ranks and as the presumptive president of the united states next will be inaugurated in january he's done everything his power to shown progressive so was it worth it why i would say that progressive is extremely fractured at this moment there are a lot of people on the left who feel that now that we're taken for granted and alosi as all are some progress that a lot of people oppose all the progress that it has become a reprinting a new wing of the democratic party one that isn't really challenging the status quo politicians even if you look at the squad they're not really challenging nancy pelosi when it comes to that is mall stimulus package she just pushed out which they. simply cut the money and haves from what was initially going to happen so

there is a huge fracturing in the progressive movement it is a lot of people voted for joe biden thinking that they were making damage and in my personal opinion i don't see it was worth it i don't we are seeing joe biden fill his cabinet with people that are diametrically opposed to everything for growth of their sense of value whether that's medicare for all whether that is you know cutting the pentagon and cutting our military budget whether it's something as simple as getting a green you deal or any sort of cuts to the environment to the emissions and any sort of progress for the environment they're going to review i mean can i ask you know we're going to ask you personally do you have any buyer's remorse because i'm sorry and i'm very sympathetic conservative but i'm very sympathetic to a lot of the rest of ideas here but i could've told you so and i don't say that but that of any clique oh no you know i personally i personally did not vote for joe

biden i went to her party so i am definitely i definitely did not go that route i mean i live in california as well i was definitely one of the people that had 0 problems telling people to vote their conscience and i die don't i agree with you 100 percent peter i told you so is right i mean we a lot of us were telling people this is exactly what's going to happen was a lighted administration they're going to put in people that aren't going to respond to you because you're already what i hope you would hope lou no matter who i hope as the 2022 comes up the strategy will be different ok because it has to be if you want to became remain relevant that's what i said in my introduction you jamie if i can go to you how in the world explain to me in simple words because i'm just the talk show host and the o.c. and joe biden be in the say are. very simple i mean i think it's it goes back to the roots of progressivism which is always kind of been this hodgepodge of different. and so we have to look at it from the perspective of progressive versus

the reformists so there are some people who are progressive also call themselves reform so they're reimagining how these institutions that we have think phil and if we look at some of. the president elect biden picks i want to take a little bit hard because we have john kerry who is going to be focusing on the you know environment there will likely be some discussion around our foreign policy being centered on how do we engage in making sure that our citizens are definitely held accountable how do we engage in making sure that there is a quality so it's possible for the 2 to coexist and just have different ideologies of what it means to be progressive but i don't think there's one true way of how we identify well i mean as in the us if you look at his pics i mean that this is a corporate america's dream come true you know they they they they dress liberals up in this progressive rhetoric you know where i've lived matter but you know it

may be that you know jeff bezos treats his workers deplorably ok but you see right slogans here i mean it it's quite in. there's a for me and there's a lot of dishonesty of about that ok because how does seem to not only job i like to reform or just what is you know what i think i'm right or not yeah i mean i think that's what he tells and i think that's a safer line to tow when you're center person like joe biden ok is it safe to be in the center here john you've been very patient with us here i mean you coming from the republican side here but i would i would argue that the republican party suffers from many of the same things as the democratic party is that all parties are so hostage to their donor class ok because what we have much to the surprise because of the polling is that i wouldn't call it a red wave but it was a certainly a strong red revolt that we saw and. in this past election here and these were this

these were. more populous and then they would be for a standard bearer and g.o.p. candidates which are about. i don't have to disrespectfully disagree if it was up to the dollars donald trump would have never been elected in 2016 this is more so the republicans more so a grass roots and that's actually bowing up and we've seen that in the in the down balloting in terms of how many seats and blue areas or purplish areas actually flipped to read at the same time where you know currently vice president biden is projected to be the winner and to be inaugurated in january as you reported if if the legal battles don't come to fruition so we really look at it there it's going back to your original question with respect to the divide on the left the

thing is is absolutely buyer's remorse the thing is usually you wait for the package to be delivered when you order something instead of actually having buyer's remorse you know when the package is in route which is that stem from the thing is i've heard progressive progress progressive is a you know frona around right by definition but is taken on a different connotation right when you have centrist democrats carrying the label a warning that bran progressive it waters it down in its only exacerbates fuel the feud ideological feud between. you know parties and different individuals on the left those are grassroots all the way up to those in power so this is not going away you know if by and it actually takes the 0 is actually only going. why why you don't have to bring the republicans into this

war and the differ when you talk about defunding the police when you talk about you know are reducing america's energy independence when you talk about raising the individual tax rate it's a nearly 60 percent raise the corporate tax rate let's not forget the individuals that voted for obama twice in the midwest actually voted for trump so there is a faction even when you when you go outside of the beltway and really talk to people on the butt in the boss rust on the left they don't go for a lot of the progressive demands so there's going to be you didn't want it i have to push back on there it depends on how you phrase it ok i mean when you say you know they are a single pair or are socialized medicine it depends on how you pitch things and how

people react to it it's it's very delicately way beyond the what hurts you just like they're going to be on pressing on hang on it's very well documented that trump supporters would like much better health care to depends on how you describe it and i want to try one in 2016 despite the donors here let's go back to of in los angeles you know what you know we just heard from john you know you know packaging and ideas and blurring but bernie sanders is a real person ok and he had real ideas and he was very popular in the last 2 election cycles we can talk about why he didn't come finish that go over the finish line but there is no doubt that he there in the he has a following or there is a following for many of his core ideas and that's not going to change. yeah i mean it's absolutely not going to change i think we're missing the element of populism that's rising here on the left and. right i mean if you look at

a lot of the rightly populace some of them are in complete agreement with some of the progress that is when it counts to censorship when it comes to being anti-establishment when it comes to questioning the narrative so it's actually something really interesting that's happening because the populism means well that people want it over 60 percent of people actually want a better healthcare system they want everybody to have health health care it's just you're exactly right the way it is absolutely free doesn't help and it's a lot of the people who did vote for obama did go to donald trump because of the failure of the democratic party because what the democratic party fails to do is they embrace and centrism embracing centrism is what is kill that party because they don't fully go be high these populist ideas that somebody like sanders was hers any and instead they have way put in putting their flight there and they have to take it out so that is exactly why the democratic party has failed to actually

build a cohesive brand and also in by the same token the progressive movement has it in washington d.c. it hasn't opposed nancy pelosi it hasn't opposed the old guard enough to actually or do something like i said i don't consider him out there because i'm very curious about that because with the exception of and in the minds of millions and millions of people the contested presidential election it was a it was a bad day for democrats on election day i mean it was it was a shellacking how do you account for that. well you know i o's are. going to take a you know i really think we have to kind of think about the idea who really owns the idea of progressive i mean is it all the way left is it all the way right is it all is it the same here and there let's name figures is joe biden a progressive is nancy pelosi a progressive judge schumer a pretty aggressive i think in their mind they are i think i think i mean seriously

got a little cleaner i know it's funny but i think that their mind they think that the ideas that they espouse because they are not republican and they're not to the right makes them progressive how could they really not a party has been moving further and further to the right ever since bill clinton now can be a great read i agree i agree i totally agree and that's the actual ballot but it's again it's about how it's conveyed and the talking points and the narrative and nancy pelosi is my she's from san francisco so she's the ultimate progressive do these start looking good steps would she please let me know what i'll write you know graffiti ok that's ok it really frightens. me is right now more unpopular than donald trump right now and exactly what exactly it is it is listening to there which amy if i can peter if i could just interject i don't want to start at we have to go to a hard break and now to let er rip will continue our discussion on progressivism

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welcome back to crossfire where all things are considered on peter remind we're talking about the state of the progressive movement. ok let's go back to china new york and we're talking of. words and what they mean and i think one thing we've already come through in this program here is that people like to appropriate it for their own purposes and for their own meaning because if nancy pelosi can call himself a progressive i suppose i could call myself a south african ok or peruvian or filipino ok i mean it doesn't have any meaning ok exactly but i think is important and it's a question i posed earlier there are differences between people like joe biden and bernie sanders there that is irrefutable here ok and i have to say i'm disappointed that bernie didn't stand up stronger because like i i really believe in the

realignment i mean i think the the status quo is untenable it is not working for people and i'm really sick and tired of the donor class being served 1st ok because with this economic turndown people are going to get so distant and disenchanted and i think that you know they're going to get a rude the day by thinking everything is going to go back to normal there's nothing normal right now and there's nothing normal to look forward to and i started to be you know so depressed here but i think that's really good on a better demeanor it sounds like there is diversity in diversity right there is no one size fits all even jamie said before the break you know she even broke down you know what it means to be a progressive by geography it seems that is what the democrat elite are doing is self identifying as progressive. and we know that when you self identify you actually change completely change the definition if you can inject

something like 20 months but then it's meaningless right at you know lou the thing is we get caught up in words and definitions and people start to really go i waited bulls and not by policy positions. and so forth and that creates even warped discourse one of the republican i'm actually trying to give democrats some of by said they would take it they issue is right they spent so much time hating trump instead of really focusing on policies positions probably because they knew that they were the day of reckoning with calm and that reckoning is going to be is going to take place whether they like it or not and it's not going to be pretty over the next several years here here we are we're doing this on zoom here so from what i can see here we have a progressive conservative me we have

a democrat and we have a republican and i think we all could agree what we just heard from john just focusing on the orange man in the white house screwed everything up and i really truly believe that ok is that an easy thing to do and i really would have liked a lot more policy because i think i think the policies were great. which one is he like. john which was different i think for black america i mean when you look at what the democrats haven't done well over decades this is the 1st president where we could actually point to specific empowerment possibly policies that actually broke down is to to tional strongholds and actually provided opportunities if it wasn't for the cold it impact all of america we would have that actually see even more compound and positive impact and that's the reason why why the boycott blacks

and hispanics the book the vote turnout for trump actually was historical basis i think there are $960.00 i don't usually black minutes richard and i think but any claim to me everyone explained to me you know me in simple words because i'm just a talk show host then why was he called a racist for the last 4 years ok because it is a daisy and yes it's easy to surround around at a target as opposed to addressing the fractions and the policies it's sort of like one dog barking at loon and i'm being very simplistic here then 3 dots starbuck and barking at the new domestically you have 4 dogs barking on her and it you know joe biden was founding it cars once and during when it is you know you're hurting it's sort of like what happened in a give a good example and 7 you know tripping over the dogs barking that these men have an agenda we're going to do about it this is a hell these are going to you know they project the lazy was so strong yet that

they vote it is george gascon right now george was the d.a. in san francisco and there was a lot of issues surrounding his policies and how he ran the d.a.'s office but the hate for jackie lacey was so strong and so poignant and that was the focus it was the sex thing thing to do. kratz and donald trump he's a racist we hate him you know the talking points look at what he's doing now joe biden you know if you have black if you even black enough you know if you don't vote for me it's easier to focus on a target they do with a new line it's what they can do they understand of voters are actually not paying attention to the nuance nuance and they focus simply on i hate this person so i'm going to vote here is really that simple oh look aggressive actually progressive actually want action yet you know at the end if you did i give you my quest all to live or that's going to exacerbate i give it 24 months if even that good sign you

know i get it i give it is that in the calendar year of 2021 i did. it i think because i'm sorry i didn't the buyer's remorse is this i mean particularly if trump throws his hat in on inauguration day oh no that. you know i want to stick with you because there's a lot of progressive ideas as a conservative in like i said i believe in the realignment here i mean what are you guys going to do next ok because you know in the democratic party and the republican party to a great degree because it might might might deal with the with the republican party is there just the libertarians have a chokehold and i really want to break that loose and let more populous into the party here but the democratic party is different because people like nancy pelosi hello c.n.n. and chuck schumer they have more venom for bernie sanders than they ever did for donald trump it's true yeah absolutely i mean i think the progressive like i said the progressive people are fractured or aggressive they're absolutely fractured so

you're going to see some progressive as they are right now they're building to build a 3rd parties are building to built whether it's new for the people's party or whether it's all the other 3rd party congress that's what they're trying to do they're no longer trusting in the democratic party you're still going to see some of that wing try to reform the party and rely on getting people like a o c n. omar and the squad but a lot of people are also down with the democratic party because they feel like bernie sanders was cheated flights they feel like obama and clinton still control the democratic party which they do and they see them as ingenuous not at all taking any actions to actually give any policies in the middle of the pandemic or seeing 0 action to take care of people's health care i mean if that doesn't do it for progressives i don't know what will they honestly have to it's got it's got over come the politics of letting democrats get away with everything because right now what it seems like progress and sold it and they gave up all their power and that

absolutely nothing in return and it's not really long no longer going to fly considering our economic issues right now people are getting kicked out of their homes they're not paying rights small businesses are closing especially while santal is the way gavin newsom is and will think as her a lot of small business owners who were not necessarily political and now all these people are getting political saying hey you're you're rude in my life you're taking everything i have all these issues are going to i can't search has ideology i agree with you jane jamie the thing that happened to her was meeting at the with a painting of the cabinet here is that all here is about diversity what i guess not only speaking there's nothing wrong with that but just because if you have a a woman of color at the pentagon why should i cheer about that because i want to cut the defense budget i want us to stop in neighboring countries i want to end all these foreign wars i and i'm very angry with donald trump for not doing it showed he didn't show enough leadership or bill to do it ok these are popular issues here

just because you. are a familiar face in a in a position here doesn't give me confidence in the policy and what we've heard about here. but you know what the the key word here is optics if i like your optics we are visible people then i'm going to not pay attention to those facts of policy and i think that's what happens in a lot of these. pic's i found it very curious yesterday when i saw the health and human services get. to know if the a.g. from california and you know some of these things are going to breast soley on their lives we like how it looks now granted there are some people of color particularly on the economic team that are knockouts they're excellent in what they do so i don't want to deem them i think it's important to have diversity in terms of color you know. you know. educational background i think those things are important particularly if they're competent and they can do the job all you've got there you said it companies like every job i think they're right but it is ok right

right competent being johnny if it was a cling on and he was good at economics what are they ok i don't care either to me ok i want good policy for because you're international or a thinker or no family that's what many people there's either i can't you know i can't believe there's not a check my republican car here i agree with everyone. is that is. going on here well the realignment is happening on this and i don't be here here's the situation here right just just so you know hearing what everyone is saying it seems as though you have the elite democrats that are only focusing on the marketing the label good point you know what the grassroots are going past the label in looking at the ingredients. they're not liking the g.m.o.

right not liking you know this type of blending of different. ideologies and actually watering down the progressive movement and what it stands for even you know i'm shocked i'm looking at my social media and president obama actually said we actually do. are you just serviced with slogans like these on the whole east instead of all of a sudden the election after you last year and all the sudden the people that rule all the room all of started bashing him i thought i'd never live to see the day. people bashed morocco. ideology i got really bad news for you really bad news we're going to hear from him for the next 30 years ok well ok he's in the white house. now i mean you're under 6 rules. and up right here on the left and the

other bus on a biography i mean he's going to use invested in this ok or maybe he'll end up running netflix which you know maybe donald trump would like to do that i mean he's run in the life they're going to give each other all right rapidly want out of time i'm very very used to such a diverse group of people with different opinions that have a very meaningful conversation like i mean that ok so i want to thank my guests in all my guests in los angeles and in new york i want to thank our viewers for watching us here r.p.c. next time remember. he said there's a saying. i think they're going to keep us and then we went through all the countries don't let ideas the right to go to us come to that he said if we give

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