you have any buyer's remorse because i'm sorry and i'm very simple conservative but i'm very sympathetic to a lot of the rest of ideas here but i could've told you so and i don't say that with that of any clique oh no you know i personally i personally did not vote for joe biden i party so i am definitely i definitely did not go that route i mean i live in california as well i was definitely one of the people that had 0 problems telling people to vote their conscience and i die don't i agree with you 100 percent peter i told you so is right i mean we a lot of us were telling people this is exactly what's going to happen was that i didn't ministration they're going to put in people that aren't going to respond to you because you already know i hope you would vote lou no matter who i hope as 2022 comes up the strategy will be different ok because it has to be if you want to became remain relevant that's what i said in my introduction you know jamie if i can go to you how in the world explain to me in simple words because i'm just the

talk show host and the o.c. and joe biden be in the same are. very simple i mean i think it's it goes back to the roots of progressivism which is always kind of been this hodgepodge of different ideologies and so we have to look at it from the perspective of progressive versus the reformist so there are some people who are progressive also call themselves reform so they're reimagining how these institutions that we have think phil and if we look at some of. president elect biden picks i want to take a little bit of heart because we have john kerry who is going to be focusing on the you know environment there will likely be some discussion around our foreign policy being centered on how do we engage in making sure that our citizens are definitely held accountable how do we engage in making sure that there is a quality so it's possible for the 2 to coexist and just have different ideologies and what it needs to be progressive but i don't think there's one true. they have

how to identify well i mean as in the u.s. if you look at his pics i mean they did this is. corporate america's dream come true you know they they they they dress liberals up in this aggressive rhetoric you know in our eyes lives matter but you know it may be that you know jeff bezos treats his his workers deplorably ok but easy to use right slogans here i mean it it's quite in. there's a for me and there's a lot of dishonesty of about that ok because how does seem to not only joe biden going to formalised what is he you know i think i'm right or not yes i mean i think that's what he tells and i think that's a safer line to toe the nearest inter-personal like joe biden ok is it safe to be in the center here john you've been very patient with us here i mean you coming from the republican side here but i would i would argue that the republican party suffers from many of the same things as the democratic party is that all parties are so hostage to their donor class ok because what we have much to the surprise

because of the polling is that i wouldn't call it a red wave but it was a certainly a strong red ripple that we saw and in this past election here and these were this these were i would say more populous then they would be for a standard bearer and g.o.p. candidates which are about. i don't have to just respectfully disagree if it was so that voters donald trump would have never been elected in 2016 this is more so the republicans more so a grass roots and that's actually blowing up and we've seen that in the in the down balloting in terms of how many seats and blue areas or purplish areas actually flipped to read. the same time where you know currently vice president biden is projected to be the winner and to be an. operate it in january as you record it

if if the legal battles don't come to fruition so we really look at it there it's going back to your original question with respect to the divide on the left the thing is is absolutely buyer's remorse the thing is usually you wait for the package to be delivered when you order something instead of actually having buyer's remorse you know when the package is in route which is that stem from the thing is i've heard progressive progress progressive is a you know frona right now right by definition but is taken on a different connotation right when you have centrist democrats carrying the label a warning that bran progressive it waters it down in its only exacerbates in fuel the feud ideological feud between. you know parties

in different individuals on the left those are grassroots all the way up to those in power so this is not going away you know if by and it actually takes the 0 is actually only going to end by why you don't have to bring the republicans into this discussion point the differ when you talk about the fun the police when you talk about you know are reducing america's energy independence when you talk about raising the individual tax rate is to nearly 60 percent raise the corporate tax rate let's not forget the individuals that voted for obama twice in the midwest actually voted for trump so there is a faction even when you when you go outside of the beltway and really talk to people on the butt in a bus up in rustbelt on the left. they don't go through

a lot of the progressive demands so there's going to be a look i'm going to i have to push back on there it depends on how you phrase it ok i mean when you say you know they a single payer or if our socialized medicine it depends on how you pitch things and how people react to it it's it's very delicately way beyond the it hurts you just like they're going to be on progressing on hang on it's very well documented that trump supporters would like much better health care to depends on how you describe it and i would like trump one in 2016 despite the donors here let's go back to of in los angeles you know what you know we just heard from john you know you know packaging and ideas and blurring but bernie sanders is a real person ok and he had real ideas and he was very popular in the last 2 election cycles we can talk about why he didn't come finish that go over the finish line but there is no doubt that he there is the he has a following or there is

a following for many of his core ideas and that's not going to change go ahead yeah i mean it's absolutely not going to change i think we're missing the element of populism that's rising here on the left and the right i mean if you look at a lot of the rightly populous some of them are in complete agreement with some of the progress that's when it counts you censorship when it comes to being anti-establishment when it comes to questioning the narrative so it's actually something really interesting that's happening because the populism means well that people light over 60 percent of people actually want a better health care system they want everybody to have health health care it's just you're exactly right the way it is absolutely frayed doesn't help and it's a lot of the people who did vote for obama did go to donald trump because of the failure of the democratic party because what the democratic party fails to do is they embrace and centrism embracing centrism is what is kill that party because they don't fully go be. try these populist ideas that somebody like sanders was

presenting and instead they half way put in putting their foot there and they have to take it out so that is exactly why the democratic party has failed to actually build a cohesive brand and also in by the same token the progressive movement has it in washington d.c. as an opposed nancy pelosi who hasn't opposed the old guard enough to actually or do something like i said just don't consider me about that because i'm very curious about that because with the exception of and in the minds of millions and millions of people the contested presidential election it was a it was a bad day for democrats on election day i mean it was it was a shellacking how do you account for that. oh you know i o's are. going to take a you know i really think we have to kind of think about the idea who really owns the idea of progressive i mean is it all the way left is it all the way right is it

all is it the same here in the let's name figures is joe biden a progressive is nancy pelosi a progressive chuck schumer a pretty progressive i think in their mind they are i think i think i mean seriously the clear i know it's funny but i think to their minds they think that the ideas that they espouse because they are not republican and they're not to the right makes them progressive anything really not a party has been moving further and further to the right ever since bill clinton how can he agree fred i agree i agree i totally agree and that's the actual ballot but it's again it's about how it's conveyed and the talking points and the narrative in nancy pelosi is my she's from san francisco so she's the ultimate progressive do the study steps which she believes is a little bit i want to know right you know graffiti ok. all right. that's right no more unpopular than donald trump right now exactly what exactly it is easy

listening to there which amy and peter if i could just a j you guys are going to start at we have to go to a hard break and now to let er rip will continue our discussion of progressivism in united states take a look our. global fee of money ponzi scheme has at the my personal style collapsing like burning made up collapsed and now we're going back to poverty the answer is always bad you need actual sound money like gold but of course that doesn't work so much as a big point does and what'll happen is they'll be hundreds of millions and billions of people in the world that'll say to their such a bank and they're. nation state government they'll say you know what i'm interested money anymore we just want to have our own money have our own peace of mind and you can go away.

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welcome back to crossfire where all things are considered on peter lavelle to remind we're talking about the state of the progressive movement. ok let's go back to john in new york and you were talking about words and what they mean and i think one thing we've already come through in this program here is that people like to appropriate it for their own purposes and for their own meaning if nancy pelosi can call himself a progressive i suppose i could call myself a south african ok or peruvian or filipino ok i mean it doesn't have any meaning ok exactly but you know i think is important to him is the question i posed earlier there are differences between people like joe biden and bernie sanders there that is irrefutable here ok and i have to say i'm disappointed that bernie didn't stand up stronger because like i i i really believe in the realignment i mean i think the

the status quo is untenable it is not working for people and i'm really sick and tired of the donor class being served 1st ok because with this economic turndown people are going to get so distant and disenchanted and i think that you know they're going to get a rude the day by thinking everything is going to go back to normal there's nothing normal right now and there's nothing normal to look forward to and i sorry to be you know so depressed here but i think that's still making good on a better demeanor it sounds like there's the versity in diversity right there is no one size fits all even jamie said before the break you know she even broke down you know what it means to be a progressive by geography it seems that is though what the democratic elite are doing is self identifying as progressive. and we know that when you self identify you actually change completely change the definition if you can

ingest something i can you must but then it's meaningless right at you know lou but the thing is we get caught up in words and definitions and people start to really go by labels and not by policy positions and so forth and that creates even warped discourse whatever republican i'm actually trying to give democrats some of the reason they would take it they issue is right and they spent so much time hating trump instead of really focusing on policies it positions probably because they knew that they were the day of reckoning with calm and that reckoning is going to be is going to take place whether they like it or not and it's not going to be pretty over the next several years here here we are we're doing this on zoom here so from what i can see here we have a progressive conservative me we have a democrat and we have

a republican and i think we all could agree what we just heard from john just focusing on the orange man in the white house screwed everything up and i really truly believe that ok isn't that an easier thing to do hey i really would have liked a lot more policy because i think i think the policies were great. which one is he like. john which was different i think for black america i mean when you look at what the democrats haven't done well over decades this is the 1st president where we could actually point to specific empowerment possibly policies that actually broke down is to to tional strongholds and actually provided opportunities if it wasn't for the cold it impact all of america we would have that actually see even more compound and positive impact and that's the reason why why the boycott blacks and hispanics the vote of the vote turnout for trump actually was

historical but since i think there are $960.00 i don't it's only black minutes retired me and you know but i think claim to be everyone explained to me you know me in simple words because i'm just a talk show host then why was he called a racist for the last 4 years ok because it is a daisy and yes it's easy to surround around a target as opposed to addressing the fractions and the policies it's sort of like one dog barking at loon and i'm being very simplistic here then 3 dogs starbuck it barking at the new domestically you have 4 dogs barking on her and it you know joe biden was founding it cars once and during one of his career it's sort of like would have been a give a good example and 7 you know tripping over the dogs barking that he didn't have an agenda we're going to do about it this is ill be sure to you know get

a project you lazy was so strong yet that they vote it is george gascon right now george was the d.a. in san francisco and there was a lot of issues surrounding his policies and how he ran the d.a.'s office but they hate for jackie lacy was so strong and so pointed and that was the focus it was the sexy thing to do. kratz and donald trump he's a racist we hate him you know the talking points look at what he's doing now joe biden you know if you have black if you even black enough you know if you don't vote for me it's easier to focus on a target then do with a new line it's what they can do they understand of voters are actually not paying attention to the nuance nuance and they focus simply on i hate this person so i'm going to vote here is really that simple oh look aggressive actually progressive actually want action yet you know at the end if the mcchrystal to liver that's going to exacerbate i give it 24 months if even that good sign you know i get it i

give it is that in the calendar year of 2021 i did. it i think because i'm sorry i didn't the buyer's remorse is this i mean particularly if trump throws his hat in on inauguration day oh not that. i want to stick with you because there's a lot of progressive ideas as a conservative in like i said i believe in the realignment here i mean what are you guys going to do next ok because you know in the in the democratic party and the republican party to a great degree because it might might might deal with the with the republican party is there just the libertarians have a chokehold and i really want to break that loose and let more populous into the party here but the democratic party is different because people like nancy pelosi. and chuck schumer they have more venom for bernie sanders than they ever did for donald trump it's true yeah absolutely i mean i think that progressive like i said the progressive people are fractured or aggressive they're absolutely fractured so

you're going to see some progressive as they are right now they're building to build a 3rd parties are building to built whether it's new for the people's party or whether it's all the other 3rd party congress that's what they're trying to do they're no longer trusting in the democratic party you're still going to see some of that wing try to reform the party and rely on getting people like a o c n. hot omar in the squad but a lot of people are also done with the democratic party because they feel like bernie sanders was cheated flights they feel like obama and clinton still control the democratic party which they do and they see them as ingenuous not at all taking any actions to actually give any policies in the middle of the pandemic or seeing 0 action to take care of people's health care i mean if that doesn't do it for progressives i don't know what will they honestly have to it's got it's got over come the politics of letting democrats get away with everything because right now what it seems like for aggressive foldit and they gave up all their power and

absolutely nothing in return and it's not really long no longer going to fly considering our economic issues right now people are getting kicked out of their homes they're not paying rent small businesses are closing especially while santal is the way gavin newsom is and will think as her a lot of small business owners who were not necessarily political and now all these people are getting political saying hey you're you're rude in my life you're taking everything i have all these issues are going to i can't search has ideology i agree with you jane jamie the thing that kind of has meaning of the with a picking of the cabinet here is all here is about diversity what i guess not only speaking there's nothing wrong with that but just because if you have a a woman of color at the pentagon why should i cheer about that because i want to cut the defense budget i want us to stop in neighboring countries i want to end all these foreign wars i and i'm very angry with donald trump for not doing it showed he didn't show enough leadership or you'll to do it ok these are popular issues here just because you. are a familiar face in a in

a position here doesn't give me confidence in the policy and what we've heard on king about here yeah but we're with you know it the key word here is optics if i like your optics we are visible people in i'm going to not pay attention to those facts of policy and i think that's what happens in a lot of these. pic's i found it very curious yesterday when i saw the health and human services get. to know the agent from california and you know some of these things are going to breast soley on their lives we'd like how it looks now granted there are some people of color particularly on the economic team that are knockouts they're excellent in what they do so i don't want to deny them i think it's important to have diversity in terms of color you know. you know. educational background i think those things are important particularly if they're competent and they can do the job or use up there you said it companies like it or not i think

their record of it is ok right right competent team good johnny if it was a cling on and he was good at economics what are they ok i don't care to me ok i want good policy for because you're international or a thinker or no family that's what many people there's either i can't you know i can't believe there's not a check my republican card here i agree with every what it. is that is. going on here well the realignment is happening on this i don't be here here's the situation here right just just so you know hearing what everyone is saying it seems as though you have the elite democrats that are only focusing on the marketing the label good point you know what the grassroots are going past the label in looking at the ingredients. and they're not liking the g.m.o. right not liking you know this type of blending of different.

ideologies and actually watering down the progressive movement and what it stands for even you know i'm shocked i'm looking at my social media and president obama actually said we actually do. r.t. just serviced was slogans like on the whole east and then all of a sudden the election after you last in all of the people that rule iraq obama started bashing him i thought i'd never live to see the day. people bash moroccan. ideology i got really bad news for you really bad news we're going to hear from him for the next 30 years ok well ok he's in the white house. now i mean i'm here under 6 rules. and up right here on the other bus on

a biography i mean he's going to use invested in this ok or maybe he'll end up running netflix which you know maybe donald trump would like to do that i mean he's right in the life they're going to give each other all right was very rapidly run out of time i'm very very used to such a diverse group of people with different opinions that have a very meaningful conversation and i mean that ok so i want to thank my guests in all my guests in los angeles and in new york i want to thank our viewers for watching us here r.p.c. next time remember. imagine picking up a future textbook on the early years of the 21st century what are the chapters called gun violence school shootings homelessness 1st it was my job it was my bill it was my savings i have nothing i have nothing and it's not like i

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