hello and welcome to cross talk we're all things are considered on peter lavelle in january there may be a new american president but what won't change is washington's stance towards iran is military conflict inevitable what is the value of diplomacy if one side fails to honor agreements and what are iran's options. to discuss this and more i'm joined by my guest adam roosevelt in washington he's a national security analyst as well as a g.o.p. strategist and omar we have scott ritter is

a former intelligence officer and united nations weapons inspector and into and we have mohammad marandi he is a professor at the university of toronto gentlemen crossed out rules in effect that means you can jump any time you want and i always appreciate it ok let's go to professor marandi interim 1st professor marandi event over the last year iran. saw the assassination of one of its. celebrated military officials probably the greatest. cherice hunter and killer in the world and then we have this scientist. over the last few days sas needed and by all accounts it was an israeli operation we don't know to what degree the americans were knowledgeable of it but it doesn't really matter here so it looks quite likely a new administration will be coming into power in january there's a lot of speculation about the last days of the trumpet ministration. some saber

rattling when it comes to iran and of course there's the j.c. p. o. a on the line here a lot of speculation about what by may or may not do. what is your thoughts on this here in this transition because iran stays the islamic republic stays but american presidents come in go go ahead professor well iran's been a around for a lot longer than the united states has i think your viewers know but the real problem is that biden was a part of the obama administration and as vice president the sanctions that obama and biden impose on iran obama call them crippling sanctions these are the same sanctions that imposed on them brutal sanctions so while obama wanted to brutalize iranian women and children trunk rot wanted to do the same thing

so. there's no real difference in the way in which they project u.s. power and on the other hand while trying to murder general sort of money as you correctly pointed out the person who was. most important in the fight against isis and the defeat of isis it was the obama regime that initiated the war in syria they they were key to the rise of al-qaeda nice is through their regional allies such as turkey tatar so here abia the israelis we know from the 2012 defense intelligence agency document that the united states knew its allies were supporting the extremists between syria and iraq and we know from general since interview on al-jazeera the united states to a local decision to support this and we also know from jack solomon in his e-mail

to hillary clinton in february 2012 that it made it that al qaeda is on our side in syria so there's no real difference in the way in which obama and biden treated iran and the region and the way in which trump treated iran however. iran is going to get biden this opportunity to change a policy if the united states would implement the nuclear deal in fall and they did and under obama by the way they never fully implemented this and the fact that iran if they reverse the sanctions and the brutality brutal brutal sanctions that trop imposes on tornado runs if they reverse them go back to the deal the iranians will implement but the iranians are not my gotta hold up the sky what about that there because as a professor rightly pointed out not only the obama not only the trying to walk away from the greyman the obama administration never completely implemented it here you

know what kind of agreement could there be because it sounds to me all the noise coming from the brighton orbit is that it would be a really high level of conditionality from the end in added on to what was the original g.'s e.p.o. way is there any is there political stomach in in and washington to go back to that agreement when lee because that would be conditionality because most likely the iranians going to say hell no we had an agreement and you walked away from it go ahead. well i think we need to understand from the start that the j c p o a was never a final american agreement yet it's important also realize that the iranians knew this i mean if you go back 220132014 after rouhani was elected in 2013 in fact he was trying to get the supreme leader and and the iranian governing

apparatus give a green light for continuing the secret negotiations that had begun under under the bush. doctrine dinners out i'm sorry and. the supreme leader was a little hesitant to he said you know you can't trust these people you can't trust the enemy the americans. the americans don't negotiate in good faith he said we will we'll we'll agree to her roic flexibility so that you can go out there and you can deal with these people but you can't trust them the americans will never abide by the agreement and the iranians knew there from the start and they were right why because the american version of the agreement has total iranian surrender the interest on the nuclear front but also dealing with regional issues like yemen iran support of hezbollah iran's support of a sudden iran's actions in afghanistan and iraq united states once all this

so-called malign activity is cease they also want iran to give up their ballistic missile programs iran's i mean the one thing that gives iranian regional deterrence against israel in the united states is its a list of missiles you know the ability to reach out and touch people with precision in a very deadly way. and so you know when when obama was negotiating this into that and 14 they wanted all that on the table iranians said no and in the end the obama administration was compelled to accept a new clear only agreement with the idea that 2 things one. iran will never be allowed to have a uranium enrichment program even though the freeman says iran can have a uranium enrichment program they built in suicide clauses called the sunset clauses we pushed you know us down 152023 years but we were never going to let that expire the whole deal was we will engage with iran or have europe is with iran

economically and soften the regime into saying my inspiration to have money and trade or we'll just give up our nuclear stuff so we have good relations with the west they don't understand iran suffered for 14 years under sanctions to get the deal that they got iran will never go back on the deal now or biden obama and biden when they conspired about j.c. pioli never thought that they would have to deal with the sunset clauses this was another administration's problem i know you know let me pull an adam here i mean from a so far from our guest here i mean that there is a there's a deficit of good faith here ok because you know you get into this kind of bizarre american paradigm if trump is for something you have to be against it ok and so trump was against the and then j.c. v.o.a. and so there was this reflex will then the democrats would support it and the

majority of a primary candidates did. a similar returning to the agreement but there would be so much conditionality just as scotus has pointed out here i mean you have the saudis and the israelis have a lobby inside the united states because then it's the saudis and then in the israelis most don't do not want this agreement they do not want to go back to what they want to completely fall apart so i mean it doesn't really matter what biden wants to do does it doesn't matter. in my thoughts on this is that it's a p. 5 plus one agreement i think a lot of the conversation in senator in the united states and it feels even less let. it ok i understand they're right my point is that it's a coalition agreement so us reading it in return it will require a conversation they're all i would say that be able to sign on their obama a long term agreement had to be of base an implementation plan regardless we're talking about a change here where so even if the united states said we're going to implement all

these things and abide by these things on contingency and you signing it the deal is so long that i wouldn't i wouldn't vision it being a based approach just common sense wise and this is a military an economic agreement it's a very complex agreement that has a tremendous amount of are adamant sit here and i would say you know these agree it needs are always changing regardless of what you signed today so the thing about the j.c.b. away and what biden will do if he is the right the coming into his january. i think this is going to be a very different conversation because one there has been agreement that was signed too there was an. old now and then you had an assassination or ignorance omani an assassination of a nuclear scientist so iran has make a decision about i would understand be a trust going back to the table with the american money really but really i mean you know and it would be what they really want they want iran to react in

a mcgrath of way and then they can say see i told you so that's obviously the plan that's going on here you know mohamed let me go back to you when you know and preparing for our reporting here i went through the mainstream media i've learned something from the mainstream media that i didn't know that iran's developing a bomb you keep seeing that over and over and over again without any evidence whatsoever even an american intelligence officials the irony i mean the people you you know you tend to kind of trust here ok and but no i mean just go across states every single broad sheet every single case. abel station it's the same thing i mean this is why dealing with iran is going to be very difficult from the american side because they don't even acknowledge the basic facts that can be proven here all of this other stuff is invented propaganda this is intentional dating that's the situation here i mean you must be exasperated by it go ahead well i'm used to it i

know. yes you're right and the people who are in charge of the united states are the same people who own the media so it doesn't really matter what the truth is in fact netanyahu since i think 1982 has constantly been saying that iran is going to develop a new there aren't 2 or 3 years every 2 or 3 years he says it's your 3 years and i think by late 19 i think in 197997 he said that iran has a bomb present kemp build a bomb right now so you know the propaganda and the nonsense that comes from the united states is extraordinary in fact as we speak despite the fact that the americans on not implementing the nuclear deal the europeans are not implementing the nuclear deal the iranians are still partially fulfilling our plate obligations and that is with regards to definitional protocol extra access that iran has given

to the i.a.e.a. and therefore the access of die he shows that iran is not developing a nuclear weapon and this organization has never made such a claim yet general traffic is the doctor fatheads there was a murder so he was a murderer all that thought he had to go to a hard break in after the heart breaking continue our discussion on iran and the boston with ministration in washington state r.t. . it's rare that there's room said errors go on another researcher is. there a valid. pressure is weapon of mass communication is spreading in developing areas and fallon errand is that way to marinate the day for the end of m.t.v. as if it was an immobile devices more than $12000000000.00 contaminated conjured if

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which is a refined moods and atmosphere highly active to all those in. the border who shoot sincere. those for biology is just far beyond our wildest imagination. welcome back to crossfire all things are considered i'm peter let me remind you we're discussing a rare and a possible new administration in washington. go back to scott scott i mean you know kind of going back to the tail end of our conversation for the break here i mean he i suppose it's kind of built in is that iran must want to bomb or it must have

a bomb and that's why it's so dangerous because if you can prove like i said today i and other intelligence agencies that it doesn't then it kind of puts the responsibility on the u.s. for walking away from an agreement that actually was working to one extent or another here i mean in the the the whole iran's threat kind of crumbles if it's not this evil country with his ear. evil leaders when he needs terrible weapons go ahead with it there's 2 aspects to this one is. a bomb and the other is the potential for a bomb neither acceptable for israel saudi arabia or the united states. and as a former weapons inspector i have to say that you know in 20022003 iran was going to get the benefit of the dow for me. because we had the historical precedent of north korea and iraq nations that sought nuclear weapons and in the case north korea

acquired nuclear weapons as any. covertly going out there and violating agreements covertly acquiring equipment building secret facilities enrichment capabilities. for a military purpose so now as an intelligence official you're looking at the data you're receiving about iran and they're out there doing the same thing firstly acquiring your aenima in richmond. and so you you you have a duty an obligation to be suspicious so you investigate. it but what i will say this is this is where it falls apart because this is where the intelligence. parted from. normal path of seeking truth and intelligence instead was captured by policy the policy wasn't deny iran a nuclear weapons capability early on it became obvious that iran was not acquiring

a nuclear weapon what iran was doing was acquiring your rainin enrichment capacity most probably in support of a peaceful nuclear energy production capability and it's a member of the nonproliferation treaty treaty which means it has the right to have a some room to. write articles for the nonproliferation treaty gives iran for membership price the full fuel cycle inclusive of enrichment however slash comma iran didn't cheat iran didn't fail to declare things. so i'm allowed to raise an eyebrow and look askance a little bit and give info i read how you don't have automatic machine from which is until i investigate this further we can invest it further there is no evidence the posi isn't know about stopping iranian nuclear weapon that it doesn't exist it's now about stopping the pope. for iran to end some point in time develop a weapons capable in this is where uranium enrichment becomes important is really

in the american position was not a single spinning centrifuge the problem with that is that is a complete departure from the now. so no in order to defend the not one single spinning centrifuge we have to manufacture a narrative that says iran is pursuing a nuclear bomb and this is where tragedy and dr motion factors and he comes at you was an open timer of iran he didn't design it down whether to larry sanders and then he was involved more than procurement and that was a debt decades ago i mean on loan to 98 he took over i think it was shaheed university in 1903 started to acquire or make. inquiries into a corey one centrifuge to do in skill laboratory experiments on the centrifuge behavior with your rhenium and cetera you know theoretical kind of stuff you are going to build a bomb with 100 future no matter how long do you use it they were using so the

physics research center to go out and acquire this technology in such in 1988 that got shut down i think it got turned over and again i'm going off of you know if people correct me if i'm wrong should mention 98 i think they're turned over to dr factors are they who took over a larger scale covert procurement activity in support of our geo you're reining in richmond facility that was installed. that's what this man did he was very good at it a rare rightfully views him as a hero he was. sure i'm an agent he wasn't a weapons designer you know his assassination is much more of a publicly relations issue for the people that have it out for rent and you know anime the more i think about it it's really not about the g.'s e.p.o. away and never really has been and never has been about that because we even american intelligence know and came to conclusions that. long ago gave up on even

wanting to acquire a bomb it's really about. the very existence of the islamic republic in the middle east as an alternative to sunni regimes like saudi arabia and of the u.a.e. here all the time is the greatest exporter of terrorism and it's so tiresome that they keep saying it over and cement iran's foreign policy and it's about the friends that are ranchhouse in the region and that's what that's what really irks them it's not really about j.c. you know way go ahead i completely agree with this statement is a much warmer broader conversation the term now being adapted around. world especially here united states is a great power competition we've got a lot of historical. information we've got a lot of historical events that have occurred in the regions of iran you know the position with us has taken is that iran is essentially a terrorist backed and jerry sponsored state and that's why we're in the position

we're in right now it isn't really curious adam that calling or iran a terrorist state but it's their own people being killed through acts of terrorism isn't that quite curious why i think there's an tremendous amount of different perspectives on whether it's a state backed terrorist state or whether it's individuals who are operating in backspins and sell well conclusive way we've come to a position that we had said that iran is an adversary which is why we're even jayson's why is that an address what how how does it get to that level that category of an adversary what threat does the visit red posed to the united states why i would say because i'm former u.s. military member you know i've been in the war are serving 2 campaigns operation enduring freedom and freedom sentiment at the lowest level. there are killings and attacks that occur on innocent individuals there are campaigns are going on for decades there's a lot of history here this isn't just back in the u.s.

one day stated that iran was an adversary is no different than our aggressive nature in terms of our gains on russia and so we're going that that is a different degree depending on who you're speaking with i mean look at the history i'm looking at today's column being a bit but not like when you let me go to come in here i mean you know it me being one of the issues that is brought up you know that iran is killing americans in iraq you know i don't know if that is true but already very iran backed militias then i mean no one in the mainstream media or the adults in the political establishment posed the question like well why are we interact in the 1st place ok they never invited us there we invaded there immediately occupied in the. and they're blaming iran for them ok because the government in baghdad has sympathy isn't enough. filiation with the government into round one whose fault is that ok maybe the adults in the room never you know can answer the most simple

questions go ahead. that that's the problem really i mean when the united states supported saddam hussein gave him chemical weapons used against iranians and his own people i survived 2 chemical attacks i was a volunteer and a war to defend iran against saddam hussein then the united states turned against saddam hussein saddam hussein then he became there anything we need their ally yesterday and they invaded iraq because of chemical weapons that he no longer had and because of the link to al qaeda now i did americans and the saudis created in afghanistan a relationship that exists they go into iraq and destroy the country and then the americans wonder why iraqis kill americans why there is resistance to the american occupation on afghanistan with americans good honest why is it that there are funny people killing americans it must be the fault of the right things it must be the fault of iraq but going back to a scott said and it's just

a point that i want to add to what he said the only reason why iran secret the acquired material to have a and enrichment program was because the i am a was violating its commitments shiran because iran has the right to acquire the capability because of the united states and this actions that the united states imposed and the threats that the united states made no and she was willing to openly work with iran so iraq had to acquire these materials because it's a sovereign country it has or it has a right to do so so that's one issue but further the issue that i want to point out includes. back to what you were asking. adam and that is why is he nice is hostile to iraq the united states was hostile to iran from day one the problem was the overthrow of the shop the problem was that iran pursued an independent foreign policy if the united states had behaved in

a reasonable and rational way towards iran instead of helping saddam hussein give them chemical weapons and then afterwards of course sanctions and so on the relationship between iran and the united states if they could have been a reasonable relationship you know scott you know when. it it's very likely that we'll have divided government in january that will mean that a potential biden ministration the limitations of what kind of legislative agenda that he'll be able to pursue and that leaves one area where the president is very. more and more. moving without any kind of constraint and that is foreign policy here and i'm i really worry considering the people that he's surrounding himself with i mean these people have a track record of just unbelievable failure and i have to even say quite honestly very limited intelligence they have nice resumes and nice credentials ok but their foreign policy just decisions have been

a deplorable i mean that's the only area where they're going to be able to flex their muscles as foreign policy and you know russia and iran and his way back on the agenda last 30 seconds go to you scott. well i think you know there's when we talk about foreign policy we have to understand that nothing happens in a vacuum history is very important. you can say what you want about hizbollah would exist if israel did invade no that's not right and i said you know you can say what you want about who it was the saudi arabians have been invading north yemen and causing their problems for decades afghanistan you know we tend to forget that he ron was working with us any solid. 1001 afghanistan were the ones who we invited the iranians to come in to iraq when we invaded in 2003 and then we got upset because a majority shia population so i didn't do things right and i don't i really wish we had more time because i think your list could go on in what in

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