coming. makers of sputnik's. agree to cooperate to study the effectiveness of combining there. is. caesar record. but there's no. concrete deaths during world. also coming up on the program the international criminal court drops a probe into alleged war crimes. a reasonable basis to believe about the atrocities actually took place that's all coming up over the next.

around the clock across the world. if you know you hello and a warm welcome to the program. russian british scientists are said to combine their vaccines to tackle the corona virus pandemic that's after a farm a giant astra zeneca said in a statement today it's ready to work with the developers of russia's sputnik before we hear breaking down the cooperation with my colleagues let's have a look at the actual remarks. today we announce a clinical trial program to assess safety and immunogenicity of combination of these a d 1222 developed by astra zeneca and oxford university and sputnik v. developed by russian research institute i think it is quite important that this river hear from both sides and we hear about this huge corporation between the developer is of the bridge swedish and the russian drug at the time you have to understand of global covered 1000 vaccine raise and both sides believe everybody

will only benefit from that. they have a problem very vaccines efficacy isn't high enough this should be improved we have 2 different ads novara says they will take one of them and use it as a booster collaboration with the gamma layer research institute is important to explore the potential of vaccine combinations unlocking synergies in protection and accessibility through a portfolio approach the head of russia's investment fund the company responsible for foreign distribution of rushes of vaccine also believes this is a breakthrough collaboration this unique example of cooperation between scientists from different countries will play a crucial role in achieving the final victory over the pandemic astra zeneca its decision to conduct clinical trials using one of the 2 sputnik vivax is to improve the effectiveness of its own vaccine is an important step towards joining forces in the fight against the virus and astra zeneca says that they are going to start

enroll in adults aged 18 years and older very very soon and early on friday we heard what mr putin's spokesperson the mithras called saying that competition is a very good thing of course but not when it comes to vaccine aimed at protecting the world these processes he believes should not be politicized and i think this is a very good example of what he meant these collaborations between us and again sputnik the so we have this unique cooperation how to developers come to the agreement actually it was the russian initiative and they made this offer after interim earlier results of astra zeneca clinical trials were announced showing that the drug is safe and has an overall efficacy of 70 percent in protecting against covered 19 if you remember the rush is vaccine is over 95 percent efficient and 42 days after the 1st shot it is a 2 shot vaccine i think this is where the idea of combining these 2 vaccines came

from and meanwhile mass vaccination here in russia is in full swing and moscow is about to launch a huge factory able to produce $10000000.00 doses of sputnik the month. when lechler ecology professor lawrence young sees cross border cooperation as vital in tackling the pandemic i think is a fine opportunity to work together in developing a more effective vaccine and there's lots of evidence that when you mix and match different vaccine platforms you get stronger and longer lasting immune responses to our competition so this is fantastic news and i think it will. raise confidence both in terms of the astra zeneca vaccine and also the sputnik vaccine it demonstrates the the power of scientists working collaboratively we're all very keen scientists around the world to work together and work in collaboration and i think this will provide an excellent opportunity for the very best people

working in the u.k. in the very best people working in russia to actually work together and i hope that one of the consequences of something like this is longer term collaboration in other areas of science and medicine so i think it's a very very important important day for us actually it's very exciting. on more americans have not died of cold but were lost fighting in world war 2 with the death toll creeping up on $300.00 in. new york corresponding kill up and can tell us more about the caseload crisis. we've got 15000000 cases of covert 19 in the united states we've got hospitals overwhelmed 107000 people are in the hospital at this moment doctors say these numbers are going to keep getting worse on wednesday there were more deaths from covert 19 on one day than there were on september 11th these are pretty big numbers that people are looking on at the situation then and

just appalled at how massively coded 1000 has expanded throughout the united states how much the pandemic seems to be completely out of control now joe biden is promising that when he takes office he will tackle this issue for his 1st 100 days in office he's talking about a mask a mandate but i'm absolutely convinced that in 100 days we can change the course of the disease and change life in america for the better i'm going to ask for a mask in place everyone for the 1st 100 days of my administration to wear a mask that will start with my signing a new order on day one to require mass where i cannot be the law there is some concern about how a mask mandate would be enforced around the country where there are states and localities that have mandated masks be worn we've seen kind of rebellion among sheriffs and local police officers who are refusing to enforce it for example in

california this local sheriff referred to a mask a mandate as dictatorial here is what he said he is expecting us to arrest anyone violating these orders cite them and take their money close their businesses make them stay in their homes and take away their civil liberties or he will punish all of us the riverside county sheriff's department will not be blackmailed bullied or used as muscle against riverside county residents in the enforcement of the governor's orders unemployment numbers in the united states are actually the highest they've been in sense mid september we. we had a situation where this week 853000 people lost their jobs bringing the total number of unemployed to 10700000 according to the u.s. department of labor now despite this there is a deadlock in congress they're fighting over the stimulus package others not a clear agreement between the 2 major parties about how relief should be provided and of course we've got the 2 major parties blaming each other take

a listen and hopefully whatever we do can prevent more and the great of the more deaths from occurring more death. pretty soon sad to say that one lost their lives and world war 2. how many more businesses have to shutter how many more dreams have to be shattered. how many more people have to be laid off. before dancey pelosi and the democrats will act before need more time to take more time but we have to have a deal and we cannot go home without it things are pretty out of control the rival parties are blaming each other joe biden is promising that he will turn things around however there's a strong amount of opposition to the measures he's already proposing even before he takes office quite a problematic and serious situation here in the united states. the

international criminal court has dropped an investigation into alleged war crimes by u.k. armed forces in iraq doubts this by the prosecutor having quote a reasonable basis to believe that offenses took place the court explained its the solution by pointing to the fact that london have investigated the moderates although probes into more than 3000 cases resulted no prosecutions. and of story after 6 years of what was called a preliminary examination of allegations of war crimes by the u.k. moultrie in iraq the international criminal court says it's not going to proceed and so just before calling the british justice system one of the best in the world this is the way you case proud defense secretary reacts their statement today indicates our efforts to pursue justice were allegations have been found that i'm pleased that work we have done and continue to do in improving the quality and

assurances around investigations has been recognized by the international criminal court what i suggest though is reading beyond the 1st 2 lines of what the i.c.c. prosecutor ruled it will only take a few seconds to get to the part that says the office has previously found and today confirmed that there is a reasonable basis to believe members of the british armed forces are responsible for the following. i'll continue reading out bits from pretty much every paragraph one after another civilian supervisory and military command fail or contributed to the commission of

crimes against detainees the end missile response of the british army and theater at the time of the alleged offenses was inadequate not a single case being submitted for prosecution to date a result that has deprived the victims of justice i could keep going but it's already clear that these conclusions sound like they're from a different report not from one that leads to a major case being dropped or a senior cabinet member bragging about an amazing justice system the judgment is it is a travesty given the actual content of the report which not only says. reasonable evidence of all sorts of systematic violence against people in the british. during the iraq war but it also makes clear that being thousands of man. and not

one of those cases has been prosecuted have all they can say at the same time on the record can say the same time that it has been no shield to be no cover up what i recommend is that people read the report itself it's an indictment of the british army its enjoyment of the british justice system and it's also in a strange way an indictment of the international criminal court the south however if that's the way things are in the world of international criminal law london tick the boxes by launching domestic probes and the i.c.c. couldn't prove any seal doing. or deliberate covering up so the rest is out of the tribunals jurisdiction which only makes you wonder following up on the i.c.c. zone statement does it all mean the iraqi victims will never get justice the u.k. government has repeatedly shown precious little interest in investigating and prosecuting atrocities committed abroad by british troops the prosecutor's decision

to close a u.k. inquiry will doubtless fuel perceptions and an ugly double standard in justice one approach to powerful states and quite another for those with less clout the news from the i.c.c. comes as london pushes for a controversial overseas operations bill it's supposed to quote unquote protect british troops in overseas conflicts from big safe says litigation and repeat investigations critics though say it would allow more offenders to escape the law. the overseas operations bill will do nothing to address the issue of repeat investigations of u.k. armed forces personnel list will do is make arifin cases like the death of iraqi national even more difficult to prosecute the u.k. would also be violating numerous human rights treaties by not ensuring abuses properly dealt with but even without the bill as we now know the international criminal court has pulled the brakes on probing the british military earlier when

the court was going to look into potential abuses by the u.s. troops in war zones washington simply paid back by sanctioning senior staff members at the i.c.c. what if after that the tribunals didn't want to go too far with investigating uncle sam's number one ally in iraq well there's no way of knowing the european union is looking at ways of encouraging people to tick coronavirus vaccines that once they were approved they issue was raised to a european council session in brussels. right now the european union is working full speed to review the safety of vaccines and make them available but it's vaccination and not vaccines that saves lives i called on all the member states to finalize their preparations for the start of nation we stand ready to support them as rich as you see do we have the opportunity to reach an agreement on how to

proceed with cope with 19 vaccines and establish a common system for the validity of tests the next stage would be to develop our shared capacity to distribute vaccines and make sure that in all e.u. member states and beyond there is equal and fair access to these vaccines you know one idea floated out the meeting was the introduction of e.u. wide vaccine certificated the plan which hasn't yet been approved was mentioned in a joint statement after the summit it's seen as a part of efforts to gradually lift restrictions on restore cross border travel or talk of immunity or covert passports was one seen as the brizard of coronavirus skeptics but not so much no let's delve deeper into this some very happy to say we've got a reversal experts of a panel joining us including medical doctor former breaks at party m.e.p. david cole independent journalist luke rivera a political commentator for the weber welcome to all of you gentlemen david can we

pick off with you this is still at the planning stage no vaccine certificates have been approved so far from a medical perspective is it going to work. well i think you know the point for the u.k. is we do not believe in compulsory vaccination our aim is to immunize the 1500000 most vulnerable people the elderly people and i think the thing is to ensure that people trust this vaccine and therefore feel it's their civic responsibility to have the vaccination i'm nervous about the idea of having these travel certificates or these certificates that say you've had the corona virus vaccine because what that means is that actually will then end up being a coronavirus passport so i think the thing is to encourage rather to rather than to make sure people are automatically told they have to have it look there's already so much public frustrated in the world but in europe we're talking about no

lock donz and restrictions just just maybe pressuring people into taking vaccines that are not fully tested is going to be a step too far. no it's not it should not be compulsory i agree with the gentleman there no problem but for air travel piece it should be made compulsory by the airlines to make sure that the people on the plane are safe and that you can talk with the arrows that if you want you know without a mask and on long haul trips that you can read and react so it should be made safe i mean and travel for business and for tourism of course if you don't want to be vaccinated fine for you but if you want to travel by air or by train for example then you should have to sort of think that's a good idea it's a very good idea actually you know it was compulsory in the past and it still is for kids i remember i'm not too young but in my early days in promise school there

were always 34 kids in the class that i had had all year and that were crippled for life or sent got the vaccination was a blink a tree in my days the same for measles and office you know it's absolutely indispensable for kids. 95 percent must be vaccinated so in this instance here i don't you know that the blah blah about 3 dozen cetera that's exactly you're still young look and see i see you gently that not any nodding in agreement there it to the point that nicholas same but also in faxing certificate to the aren't a new idea several countries require histories to present a temperature when they've had the yellow fever vaccine for instance how would this be any different. well if there is a huge difference sorry if the substance you call. polio with about caesar to 90 because kerry millen's he risks sued over 99 percent of the ratio not because it's countries in the world and also going back to what was said

earlier it's doesn't make any difference because. the vaccines which the backseat which has been accrued doesn't t. stop people selling our cattle to somebody else so it's a pointless ones who have been 2nd rate through much of these passports which are going to. really get is going to be true freedom but at the end of the doubt it should be our strong trees individually not the european union to decide our countries the soil of quality should commie liberals and right be sent her some countries jaber har she says if it's cruel what's hot she serious illnesses capital and she is very wary from pearl was from a b r a serious illnesses are going to get a look at you place the tests that x.

who was a deputy a. test of the. spittoon about 50 people are cool suggested in the u.k. ok and i don't see so. hardly i mean sure who. told. you like something's. not right. still it should not to come true david this is not this is far indeed from a black and white issue immunity passport because it's on the premise that once you about the bodies you will be able to get the disease again or spread it but the science isn't exactly certain or not especially there has me an opportunity for a long time testing yet of course people you know they get sicker or they get better they may have a test that may have false positives there's a lot going on here and to see it as their policy is the answer to everything is. yes that's absolutely right now and what we did in the u.k. is we had a rolling review that meant that we could actually authorize this medicine much

faster than we would normally have done and of course the mh ira which is our regulatory broady decided to disassociate itself from the e m a from the europeans medicine agency and the one thing i would say to the european union is if you stop having so much bureaucracy and let those countries decide for themselves they would have vaccines by now but i think what was said earlier is absolutely right the vast majority of people do not suffer serious consequences from covert 19 and what we do need to do is to immunize the the elderly and the vulnerable and that way we can then ensure that we get herd immunity because we simply don't know how long the immunity last and we don't know the long term effects going forward you're generally happy to have an immunity passport and travel with it but do you think that once that happens there should be a time limit to stop it because as we know post 911 except for one such a system is in place they're very hard to get rid of once they become the norm it

becomes the norm. if i go to africa i need my fix an asian booklet with all the you know yellow fever and all the vaccines and everybody does it so it has a big hoopla for nothing much frankly to so it's a concern for years and years and years. yes for years and years and this is only about protecting the health services in all our countries we know that a few people died from it but the health services were overrun by the by the pandemic so we need anyway i think by the way that it's not the government step will obtain it it is the airlines the airlines with demanded more and more and the people who will ask it from there and once you will fly such an airline because you know that de de mont the vaccination of the people on board they deem all the book at all the little card class that conduct you will have to say that you were vaccinated and of course over time in the coming months and years we will know

about the long term validity of the vaccine and all of the certification and maybe we'll need to do it again maybe there will be a 2nd version at all and that will improve the years but there's no need to save the economy now and me but there is an aspect i want to delve into here that's the the day to prevent teen aspect if there's a shared database of everyone that's been vaccinated or has had covert governments are going to want to use that system to get all sorts of other information are they it's going to be it's going to be too ripe for picking that it's just there for them or what would stop it. well it isn't there is a big problem percival's knows for certain you know it's something we should be very concerned about hearts i'm going to this is so who are you for all our code it doesn't seem that cd which we already know we don't need because it's urgent

through service. early to speak it was so people would be asking oh it's only people who are really going to show up her or your phone since this. turbulence in certificate or me who goes girl to come through these countries insist on it because people already checked. now on what restrictions are in certain countries for me to go and visit so you're not going to suppose to do so having be nice so who are trying to impose schools. we must stress there is a difference between having a possible to try to one state which is not a service or most elaborate possible for something you want an army of. course you can't believe it will matter you can group under because so many well diseases the so it's a cure all. david. could immunity passports they'll be the

least the least worst option here because at some stage we need to get travel up and running we need to get the economy back on track. just to give an example in your country i think you may be touched upon a british travelers are expected they may be barred from the e.u. for non-essential visit starting from generally 1st that may not happen but it may do to pandemic restriction so therefore something like this may just be the spark just to get people back in the area get them moving again and take it from there well i mean there are a lot of maize here and there that we've got 3 weeks till the end of the transition period and i don't think anyone knows what on earth is going on in terms of travel or indeed the restrictions they use going to impose i think the previous speaker is right i think this is about consumer choice for me as a medic i want the most vulnerable people immunized and therefore i think that is your civic duty and i personally will be immunized because i think it's the right thing to do but for me it's about liberty it's about choice and if people choose to

do that that's great and if they don't want to then they'll choose another country to go on holiday to look i did allude to it before the debate by certain conspiracy theories are bordering on factual knowledge looking as if they're going to be happening and this is just going to fuel those more extreme conspiracy theories that one of bill gates trying to use vaccines the plant microchips and people this is simply going to reinforce their fears isn't it. somehow i believe absolutely. i'm sorry. you shouldn't believe these people of ours who claim such crazy ideas i think of course it will always be there you know it's like george bush bombing new york and things like awful or kennedy being killed by whoever so you know all these things will always continue but i bet you that a country like spain to take one example where there are many brits going many

options germans russians as well on holiday. people who choose the surf it could do and spain will go for it because they will realize that they ensure protection of the people and reassure the troops who will want to come that's what they want people who want to be reassured and the vaccine will reassure them it's a matter of weeks before people get used to the idea that they need to be vaccinated and not listen to the prophets of promise whatever unfunny i'll make the same point to you that i did too to david economies are in freefall something needs to be done cut this just be the lesser of many evils. beyond susa polo be it some of the no lot of countries in the world true it will probably be back to really a lot of countries where it's all about cities we need to eat for the health and safety issues where we have the swine flu vaccine and they sure start which home is

perfectly safe and then they actually go to call the government which i would use one of the problems we've got with this see here let's see he who can who are going to be thanking us for not getting the full information about it and certainly not soul that we can't claim honestly damages from the about seeing come lately as the government tends the law and we really need support hope that's the good story well the 8 the same and we have a faster group process i don't think about students well we need to be absolutely sure that the public is safe i don't see the that puts the european union has a pretty heavy response here is a concern ok so what i think there will be more people in the medical profession coming out lets you eat certain they're very concerned return to rush this fight she has come out there who already i'm 1st of all right now this is nothing against

having vaccines are competency but this it's a really hard thing about c sorry for the public good but actually it's people that she need most people don't. see a lot of head shaking they're just offer your final thoughts as well and respond david yeah i think that's an incredibly dangerous thing to say this is been in the making for 20 years we've had a rolling review is this is going on this vaccine is safe the m h r 8 would not license this vaccine if they did not believe it was safe and the problem is when you start to spread those sorts of rumors that's why people won't be vaccinated and the more you tell them you have to have a vaccine and people believe that there is some sort of miletus thing going on then people will not take up that vaccination and therefore we undo all the good work that's been done to date look like the 20 seconds to. yeah the 8 ball that fox seen is a good example it took also one of 2 years to develop it you know they were compatible

it's much faster now and so the european agency will come up with a result in a few days and for me a final thing. well over both are similarly true my point shoes we did screw in a call for help and so typical this country. needs to get another choice or not directly or indirectly ready be pushed. which might it not she doesn't we don't know because this has been rough i know are likely to. be coming out. complaining about this from the medical profession ok we've been speaking to political commentator 3 webber independent journalist luker of a medical doctor and former party m.e.p. david bald very interesting discussion thanks very much for coming and sharing with the program all of you thank you. and we are indeed right.