that the united states the democrats and the republicans put $740000000000.00 more money into the pentagon well look the amounts of money injected in the economy since the start of the ben denny in march 2020 is absolutely astounding all together it's about $12000000000.00 u.s. dollars which is an unprecedented amount in times of peace that states have injected in the economy a small fraction of this goes to social protection it's not insignificant but it is much less than would be required to keep the populations safe and prevent people from from falling into poverty so yes we should rethink our priorities yeah i mean i mean i was are very into the pentagon there but i mean you know very well that a lot of people in the media are arguably often talk about extreme poverty being being focused on the global south it's not really a developed world problem what would you say to that. well very strikingly

disappearance of people in poverty is not very difference whether they live in an affluent country a rich country or or whether they live in in poverty in the global south they spearing it's usually abuse discrimination they have a sense of being powerless politically and marginalized economically and although their material conditions may be different they have the same experience of poverty that. made them. unable to really compete with others in society and so it is this this sense of much as they should that's the experience whether in norway in the u.k. or in uganda ok but if you did congratulate the global community on the putting more money into the welfare of people what do you make of the fact that lots of the money say here in britain has gone to companies strengthens the treasury here using the bank of england to to give money to come companies like chanel 600000000 luxury

brands that learn the airlines i want to get on to climate change in a bit do you believe that there has been signs of a trickle down ideological approach to poverty this money will eventually find its way to help the poor the us are concerned about. well on the one hand i understand the need to ensure that companies do not fall bankrupt and to allow them to have access to liquid if he's in this time but crisis but it should have been seized as an opportunity to impose very strong conditions on companies that are build outs with taxpayers' money they should have been imposing a condition for example related to where they pay their taxes or whether the established subsidiary entities in tax havens or they might have been imposed condition to reduce the gap between the the highest wages begun the company to and the lowest wages paid in the company or they could have imposed conditions linked

to the ecological transition and unfortunately very few countries have provided state aid public money to companies attaching such conditions to those companies being supported i think it's a missed opportunity and i hope we will do better in the future yeah companies obviously are a few to they're doing anything wrong with these often loans they're getting they they do have to pay them back so you're not detecting any ecological payback as part of their defacto bailouts what you wanted the british government to leverage ecology i think you just produce a report of the over the over the indeed this is a huge missed opportunity the united nations environment program just published a report showing that if this money were well invested in renewables in infrastructure for public transport even in the circular economy and to repair economy and so on in other terms in greening the economy we could succeed in in

meeting the objectives of the various climates when all those companies say they're being environmental anyway that they have environmental policies anyway they don't need to be told by the government well look today 8 makes no sense to to support companies that are exploiting fossil energy so that top opposing. low cost antrix i think it's the investments of the 20th century that are now still haunting us and i think it it should have it would have been much wiser to seize this opportunity to radically green the economy and to move to climate you try to see by 2050 with a guide of investment choices made today we are getting nowhere near the starlets is there a sign of ideological policy then in the wake of coronavirus will you be looking at that i know your brief is the entire world but obviously operate as a philip alston claim that britain was in the grip of ideological in his aeration of people look i think one major problem is indeed the way we look at poverty all

too often and particularly in in in the anglo food world we speak about antipoverty strategies as welfare policies that are bailing out people people who are not well qualified for the job market people who made the wrong choices in life who have not been able to seize the opportunities presented to them and we must change this course in reality all the key is a societal issue not an individual responsibility and really poverty is the price we pay for us being unable to build inclusive societies that value people whatever their background is and i think that is a discourse about poverty that is extremely problematic that's thems then mention names then for the situation in 3 in which they find themselves but we so often hear about this ideal of meritocracy both labor and tory politicians here in britain talk about it that requires

a certain amount of poverty doesn't it from her talk receive to work. well it's a major problem that social protection is often seen as potentially desensitizing people from work making people lazy and i think that is really misconstruing the problem social protection is a way to encourage people to invest in in human capital to seek a better education for themselves and for their children it's also a way to allow people to take risks as intrapreneur is because they know they would be supported if indeed they feel in their business projects so sort of addiction is a very good investment to society can meet for a sustainable future and for its its economy to thrive as a result of people being better trained educated and thus performing better are you prepared for the effectively personal attacks that you may get from governments all around the world for your work as special rapporteur you all know that you operate assessor the british government said about

a 5th of all students report on britain that the un's own data shows the u.k. is one of the happiest places in the world to live contradicting it seem to be all tools report and as regards methodology is used by special reporters like yourself this is a barely believable documentation of britain based on a tiny period of time spent here paints a completely inaccurate picture of our approach to tackling poverty what do you make of this tiny period of time that the government not only the british government any government from a pin on you when you criticize their policies on extreme poverty you know our role is to be mediator between the scientific community the civil society the n.g.o.s and and finally governments and we are simply there to present governments with a mirror of what their country looks like and the impacts of the policy choices they make and of course many problems are easier to ignore than to address. is really to draw attention of governments to the blunt spots in their policies to

parts of the impacts that their policies have they didn't. we prefer it to you to ignore looking in the other way but i think sound policy starts with recognizing the truth and facing reality and that is our road well apart from blind spot what do you think the global hotspots are today and what the ones you're going to be focusing on in the image of the future unfortunately the impacts of the crisis on global poverty are widespread and hit all continents but of course the paradox is that although the global economy shall contract by perhaps 5 percent in 2020 as a result of the of the crisis the worst impacts will not be in the richest countries where the recession is most severe it will be in developing countries where the recession is least severe but because these countries are much less went be pared to withstand the shock so these are countries that have a huge public debt already that's have much of their working population in the

informal sector these are countries that. export raw commodities and global markets and have seen their export revenues significant significantly fall in in recent years and these countries are completely prepared to face the economy compacts of the crisis so it is there that extreme poverty will win rights and unfortunately these are countries where the social protection systems are not equipped to respond adequately to protect the population ok well just finally back to the so-called developed world what prevents media. and politicians policymakers from being able to see poverty level and extreme poverty i mean they're the rountree report that just came out said that of course there's a north of england but it's actually in in a london where journalists in the media class hang out why can't they see the extreme poverty that or that a special operator like you can. i think one major part of the explanation is that

we believe things will solve themselves if the economy is left to grow and we then develop a series of policies in the name of growing the economy increasing wealth for example by deregulating the labor markets by reducing public services in order to incentivize people to work and and take care of themselves and as a result we actually worsen even equalities and we worsen poverty and i think it's important to emphasize that fighting inequality is not just in the interests of people in poverty it's in the interest of all of us because as in your country kate pickets and richard wilkinson have shown as the equality trust for example emphasizes fighting inequality makes societies much healthier much more resilient and much better equipped to tackle issues such as teenage pregnancy crime or.

depression and so a society is better off if its members are more equal and if the gaps between the ultra rich and the poor is groups of the population is narrowed down so matter of a death that there. my pleasure thank you after the break former white house for the owner for then u.s. president barack obama and vice president joe biden around choudary tells us why he thinks the u.s. is not going to have a defacto 3rd obama term under president elect joe biden. going underground. russian state television listen to demonstrators right now the propaganda machine. to russia. to.

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are discussing a new school of economics alien economics and this israeli brought about by negative interest rates means contact the web. i think a lack of better a. welcome back former us vice president joe biden except to take the keys of the white house in just over a month's time already biden has made it clear to boris johnson that ireland is not a bricks and negotiable now many are wondering how biden will compare to his pro globalization and barak obama one man who was able to get up close and personal to the last democratic u.s. president is our own choudhry the white house's 1st official video from under obama he joins me now from berlin and thanks so much for coming on i want to begin by why you're even in but live of course london's looking to berlin because the brics it negotiations what exactly have you gone on to do up to helping bernie sanders and

obama. well i'm trying to take a lot of the things that we learned in the campaign techniques we perfected 1st with obama and then under under bernie and use them to sort of strike back against the nativist populist far right way of happening all across the world so here in berlin i'm just a stone's throw away from a lot of the hot spots where we see the far right bubbling up and you really think it's no exaggeration the threat of the far right in europe today absolutely and i actually think when europe catches a cold it's america who sneezes rather than the other way around i think you'd be hard pressed to find a trump victory in 2016 without brecht's it for. what and you know seeing that politicians are using this nativist rhetoric for electoral advantage. absolutely absolutely and especially with that with the pandemic really opening up some of us you know shining a bright light on some of the inequality that's happening you are seeing more and more right wing and far right wing people using the language of social democracy

and talking about corporations and taxing them and all of these things that normally would have been the purview of the center left now has been promoting his book and talks about nativism and the use of that for electoral and volunteers i'm going to ask you given that you are obama's man what is joe biden like. joe biden is much like rock obama is exactly who you think he is he is the same on and off camera but unlike barack obama really sort of was focused in on one thing joe biden has had several acts to his life you know i think now we think of him as being brought obama's partner in all things but when we took him on board in 2008 as the vice presidential nominee it was precisely because he wasn't like obama because he was more conserve because he did represent an older generation and that maybe america wasn't ready for a young progressive black guy that we did pick the old white guy and i think he has the opportunity again to remake himself and decide if he wants to be f.d.r.

if he wants to be herbert hoover but has he actually changed i mean he's infamous obviously for supporting the iraq war and the patriot act of drone killing he was once anti choice famously when it comes to women's rights i mean what are you making of these appointments appointments tony blinken an architect of destroying africa's richest per capita country libya this guy lloyd austin a raytheon weapons contract to resign that have been big i know that people who make the bullets 'd should not decide when we shoot them now i will say as a progressive as an american left as this so far we have been very disappointed in the folks that by mr rounding himself with and as we know from the obama transition this is the time to really bring pressure to really be putting pressure on biden to pick some new people but i have to say the capture of both parties by military contractors is you know something that's been happening since eisenhower warned us

about it in the fifty's and shows no sign of abating and this is i think probably the hardest most intractable problem that we have in the us right now you know if you look at a map of wealth in the u.s. you won't find the hot spots in new york and california where you think you would find them you actually find them in a ring around washington d.c. in maryland virginia where these military contractors live and work and so separating them from our politics is going to be dirty difficult work and i'm afraid by might not be the man to start. well but what is it like being progressive working around obama back then in the in the west wing i mean just the caged children mexican in latin america from refugees from latin american war was catalyzed by the united states they had them 1st under obama it was trump arguably you started to cut down on caging children how did a progressive end up working with a warmer in the 1st place one could. usually

think they have to be extremely pro war in order to achieve any kind of electoral victory brought folks like myself onto the team people who i'm not a democrat i'm an independent and one of the reasons was that you didn't see a lot of difference from the parties but you were like this guy seems to have number one star quality and number 2 is promising to end this war which seems like the greatest foreign policy disaster in american history and so a lot of us came on board strictly because of that and then i would say when you're inside the bubble you're inside the bubble it's hard to see beyond the choices that you're given so constantly i was in rooms where i saw you know obama picking what i thought was the best of say 5 choices however i think it would some retrospect with some time and with some soul searching on myself i realize how important it is to get different people actually offering

a president different choices and that's why some of the biden picks at have been so disappointing but one thing i do want to say and i think you raise a good point it is there was a very different feeling being a progressive and a leftist in the obama administration then there has been post the 2016 election with all that animosity that was kicked out you know i never felt like i couldn't say what i thought even if it was still the president's senior advisors to the president himself and they might not act on that knowledge but they would acknowledge that i had said it acknowledged there was intelligence behind it maybe expressed disappointment they couldn't do that kind of thing but that kind of respect and feeling of camaraderie and we're in this together dropped out in 2016 with this ugly primary fight and i do think some of that is the elements around hillary clinton sort of really spoiling for these fights i mean you can see already

the most controversial figure being nominated is neera tanden who is i mean a famous twitter night fighter right this is sort of what is your caller about town tell us about how because as you know. progressive need here in europe and the united states quite lenient on these biden appointees what's wrong with their attempt of what she represents the. centrist or even center right wing of the party when it comes to a war famously she had a memo where she thought that the libyans really ought to pay us back for bombing them which is you know a hard proposition a stumbling their oil in other words i mean i do want to get on to videography generally but biden is the 1st president if it becomes president in january to not say we don't want any more wars trump of course campaign said we don't want any more wars and i'm like obama didn't cut any new wars doesn't that bode ill for will be nice the general world order bodes ill for world peace and and so you have the

tension in folks like biden between wanting to preserve a world order that we see in many ways crumbling around us and being willing to exercise violence for fear of the unknown folks like biden split in the best like would say yes maybe some of this is regrettable but you know the chaos that would happen if it doesn't this way someone like me personally i think feels that whatever comes next is coming next and so making sure we shape it in a good way is more important than holding on to what we have now but that's not the way that i think a lot of folks in washington think about it but you're right donald trump one of the issues he want and if you want my personal opinion these mysterious swing voters in iowa went from obama to trump without asking go in the middle are peace voters and when donald trump talks about bringing the troops home from afghanistan thought well that sounds like a good idea to me as well and i think one of the things to me that has been sort of

the most disappointing in the post obama in years has even been seeing him backtrack a bit on what i thought was a very smart stance on. syria in which he said just because the world says it's ok to bomb someone just because you can that's not a good reason. i do worry that that's the 1st place along with iran that by ministration may stumble into or quite actively start a war well syria and the whole global south i'm sure pray for new u.s. warplanes to to bomb them on video graphy i don't know whether you're going to bid to me whether you manipulated the images to make the obama white house and look good what do you expect from a bible administration when it comes to the manipulation of image a lot of people of course saying that he's a he's going senile his critics. i think you'll see less backstage videography then you did with obama just like you saw very little with trump and here's why it's actually

a legal recent post richard nixon or something called the presidential records act which says that everything john in service of the president should be made available to the public and this is interpreted as also meaning that all the footage i shot of obama whether or not i put it out whether or not it was edited or even as you say manipulated which is something i would say we didn't do you obviously selectively at it you crop you show the things that you want to show you don't show things you don't want to show but actually manipulating an image was something that was a line that we very specifically wouldn't cross but all of that footage is going to be available every time the president said a swear yelled at somebody you're going to be able to get all that footage as of next year from the obama presidential library so you really have to trust in the kind of calm and correct character of your candidate and your president if you want to start doing this and assembling lots and lots of footage joe biden for better or for worse you know is somebody who often has trouble expressing what he base said

that you know famously has many gaps and i think you'll be less likely to see a comprehensive video program around him the same way we did with obama going wait for next year just finally is the image getting less important give me i mean sickest omma here in the name of god he is suspended jeremy cool when there's that famous picture of jeremy called been arrested for demonstrating against apartheid south africa there have been amazing pictures of bunny saunders who you worked with fighting against racism on the streets and he had both of them are the ones being kind of the accused or who thomas and he was accusing the election campaign of being an anti semite yeah you know with jeremy corbin i certainly think that this kind of picture that was painted became. became fatal to him but i do think it was his sort of real. to push back in a real way that helped that downward spiral continue i think with bernie there was

something different and some of that falls on us who designed his communications strategy and that our narrative for bernie was showing him as somebody who was absolutely consistent throughout time you know very often we would mix footage of him now with footage of the eighty's and the 70s of him literally saying the same thing over and over again and this kind of had the effect of making an image of a person who was created an old man you know like in a laboratory in vermont or something and in a way robs him of his childhood it's not just this famous picture of him change so the woman in chicago for the housing protest but even on google you'd say people searching things like is burning from brooklyn is bernie sanders jewish you know because they weren't sure because kind of the consistent image that we kept pushing out almost precluded that he had a life before looking exactly like he looks now which is sort of the way he looks up from being mayor of burlington onward so i think not at 1st offering

a strong biographical push bernie was a mistake and it was a state that people like myself make should he have won the nomination one of our very 1st project was to make a comic book a biographical comic book explaining about bernie sanders childhood that we would release in many different languages and really flood the country with and i guess i still think this is this would be a good technique in those kind of situation. thank you thank you so much and that's it for the show will be back on monday a quarter of a century to the day bill clinton and john major's military adventures in europe and it with millions killed all displaced in the dayton agreement signed to privatise yugoslavia until then when we talk to the crowns historical consultant about the b.b.c.'s involvement in events leading to princess diana's death remember to join the underground by following up on you tube twitter facebook instagram sam .

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