russia and china and in budapest we crossed to george w. well he is an author and a you tuber at the capitol or across up rules in effect that means you can jump any time you want and i always appreciate it ok let's go to bristol here give me give me and give our viewers the case for giving either party or dismissal of charges against. you because as we all know that you in the rumor mill is swirling that trump is contemplating a pardon of joining us i should also add when edward snowden. give the case to our viewers. well of course in any kind of justice system no case would ever been brought in the 1st place in my view it's not a pardon we want but it dismissal of the case there is no case to julian assange is guilty of facilitating the truth of publishing facts nobody has ever disputed anything that unionists are published he was very careful despite the way

that he's been presented he was always very careful to make sure that individuals could not be harmed from the things that he published but what he enable to happen was the truth to emerge the truth which was you didn't to us when the war in iraq and the war in afghanistan was launched now the truth was able to come out for 2 reasons one is there was so much resistance by the people in those countries that gave the 1st lie to the big lie that said we're going to liberate these people the war was pushed as a war of liberation it was about democracy it was about human rights you know you talk very often peter on your program about the crisis of legitimacy and where does it come from well one of the big places it comes from is the law is on which we have gone to war in the last 20 years and the law is against of the lies that took us to war in afghanistan that lies that took us to war in iraq they were 1st of all

rebutted by the actions of the people in those countries themselves they resisted they did not welcome in the troops they fought and they fought and they fought and because there is was dragged on there was their opportunity for information to start to come out in the way that it never did with the yugoslav for which was also launched on but ended very quickly in these wars that dragged on it was possible for information to start to come out and wiki leaks played a really important role in exposing the behavior and the motivations of the troops and the governments who were prosecuting the walls and. so in the eyes of people who would believe the lies that took us to will you know george it beautiful some nation that we just heard there you know you know george greatest crime and i put that in quotes their greatest crime they joined us on community z. exposed war crimes and that's why they're persecuting him because he exposed the

naked aggression and war crimes that the united states and its allies have committed in these foreign wars that are grossly unpopular right now go ahead george. yes i agree it was the it's a great crime and that is why when you look back all the wars the filthy describes iraq. which would also add to that living. no one has been punished with the lies that were probably gaited on behalf of those was how does. the horrific horrific death and bloodshed and destruction of society is that a result was not lead to any punishment none of the people suffer any consequences or imposed guilt or we can name all of those names you know the david frum the bill kristol all of the people who are in the bushes and chase in the call rows they all

have lucrative jobs on the various cable networks and they've all done very well i say who has sauces as a result of the iraq a kind of libya the truth is they are the ones who have gone to prison whether it's julian the song whether it's chelsea manning whether with is edward snowden it's the true sailors who have some and that's the ways that he can say that that's right in a way this is the deep state operate that the days of the people who actually expose the war crimes who go to prison we go sunday will say this is this is a violation of the law you know that's the last you know they had that. inside of the prison guard or wolf you know destroying on the content thousands hundreds of thousands of lives a year goes to goes with like the professorship at georgetown so. you're

absolutely right that's that was due to such a great crime just being one of the things that it it's really amazing that we really think about the whole concept in history of. weeks it only didn't have any traction it was only in marketing there's only one question reason why it was the reason why the leaks because journalism journalists were doing journalism and and that's another thing that and and i think that's one of the most painful things for me is watching a journalist hop on board of let's get julian saying i mean it's a travesty for the profession and julian assange is there because they didn't do their job. that is absolutely right and again that same journalist fraternity has been tied to the imperious war machine for a long time and we can see the extent to which people are starting to recognize that not only in things like the election of donald trump remember one of the big things he pointed to that really resonated with people was media like this for

example in britain recently we had the mori survey of trusted and most and least trusted professions and journalists and politicians now in britain and i think probably the u.s. as well came below estate agents now. have been a byword for shysters and charlatans for a long time we know they're trying to sell us a pill and we recognize why that is and why they behave the way they behave the fact that we now think the same and even worse about the people who are allegedly supposed to be serving us supposed to be perpetuating to democracy shows exactly what people are starting to think about this so-called liberal democracy under which we live. so your question was about. the integrity of gerald. yeah so the. case in point with julian assange i mean it's really really painful so many people made their careers of. revelations the

work that you know his comrades did they his colleagues in him putting this information out and enabling the press to have a field day when they wanted to but now when he is in the dock most of them are looking the other way many of them i mean luke harding at the guardian is a classic example of someone who's made his entire career out as we keep leaks and yet has. the whole campaign of vilification against judea this attempt to destroy his character so that there is justifiable for the public not to be told. well to look the other way when he is when he's being crucified in public you know by the british and justice system it's really painful and shocking and it reinforces people's ideas about gender some not to be trusted. you know joe george was also one of the great russia gators as well ok i mean they seem to go hand in

hand ok i'm going after someone that actually did the job that they would do and then on the other hand making a career out of a hoax here and this is i think that this sums up in many ways what journalism is becoming and it's it's hackery it's partisan it's an advocacy and no wonder that the public doesn't trust them in and unfortunately people will go to other sources that may not be how much veracity here and that's when you get a lot of confusion in confusion in the public sphere having said that we can leaks look at its whole history when to get something wrong when it will be any journalistic al it helped that the the road record that we can link says the answer is no. not really right i mean when you think mainstream go on to that very name of them that can be delayed denouncing mia's and maligned and not well if you

didn't get it wrong well go iraq to the weapons of mass destruction wrong they've gone. wrong but if you would be better off without get off your. russian. boat i think about yugoslavia horribly wrong that's pretty bad right now you know good to know wiki leaks yeah as you say what do they get wrong there's not nothing that they've got wrong and they've backed that whole family that has. planes that julian has not. used by the russian. as. the conduit or the. e-mails but the credit that hillary clinton and obama are trumpeting the president saying no evidence and no one has ever been presented and he's back. in the secret hearing before the house intelligence committee and the one with the claim that

somehow this is all back by the g.r.u. actually said well we don't really have any evidence that you know that. crouch right really basically just. looking at. claims that that was the russian though that's not the whole story and there you go right again is the link between . the war and wiggling all of that whole story was just absolute nonsense just made out of whole cloth and that is why i don't know whether i don't jump well bob i'm doing this not but also should see that he is in his interest in those because the forces that were arrayed against them is not were exactly the forces that were raised against him this was very people who were trying to destroy was destroy his presidency where the very ones who are calling for a new a new king but not quite new pink. hillary clinton but.

assassinating him. but the same people so that's why i think you're drunk you may have best interests lay he would they would go in yesterday josina do you mention you know the need to smear campaign to destroy julian assange his character let's keep in mind everyone watching this is the it is alleged and some of reported that donald trump offered some kind of compliments to your pardon did enjoying a silence before he would give up his sources and as a person takes it take his position as a journalist seriously apparently he turned it down because he's not going to burn a source. so look at the character of all the people attacking him and look at joining us on just character 30 seconds go ahead jockey absolutely and this is been something that's been the case all the way through for people who want to see the truth it's very very clear who has the principles and who doesn't and the presentation of judy in a song you know media in the years since the system ruling class turned against him

has been truly horrific and the people who are making money out of vilifying him are the ones who should be looking in the mirror truly ashamed of themselves they are getting paid for propping up a system that commits crimes ruthlessly everywhere all over the globe hold out there we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on some real news state but r.t. . that you're going to go through there in just a little japanese and i. don't mean it just became is and on that the cold posed a shambles of. class because of the my face you know for a long today lack of probably not of the release of upset come out i look up

a doesn't. react my lymph a bunch of f. the economy to have more than a from bush last sept is that. all that. was going down or the month to go no no no you meant it as a work around here called america to me thought it was around the. world if the turnover didn't know whether to go. knocking what is fundamentally wrong point out of the market bad going to come up thinking i'm lucky sometimes you guys are going to go missing i'm just going to go maybe i'm not really happy get out what am i going to cope with the economy. today the industry prefers to spend millions of euros in you know being a d.j. regulations i will be sniffing all about making money making profits in some of the corporations international markets import export do you imagine the number of

chronic diseases that are out in every community today it is not due to new viruses all new microbes in fact is not true so it is due to environment. not going to say you know the momentum is simply the. last of those obviously yes accumulate could only come in to be seen in the 2 beside me list that. the plague will see the sky if the so food industry is successful it will create more jobs it will create more value added it will create more growth so i don't see why we shouldn't also fight for the interest something into st god said that we are british and we want regulation i was the industry and if we don't behave zaniest penalty just fine. is your media a reflection of reality. i

am in a world transformed. what will make you feel safe. isolation full community. are you going the right way or are you being led. direct. what is truth lost his faith. in the world corrupted you need to descend. to join us in the depths. for a mate in the shallows. welcome to cross town where all things are considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing some real news.

ok let's go back to bristol this year is coming to an end we discuss what possibly donald trump could do to. give justice to join us on if he so wishes but as something that. maybe one would claim a lot of his reporters would claim supporters would claim that he's a victim of this pandemic but. i look at it in a very different way i look at what's happened all across the western world particularly in the united states because of a lack of government support for working people here and one of the conclusions of drawn is that a lot of working people it least in the industrialized western world are just simply not necessary for the elites they just don't really matter and for the unfortunate thing for these elites that these people still have the vote to ok because that's where they become a true they make trouble they make trouble with breaks that they make trouble voting for for trump and well whatever happened to the voting in 2016 others but my

point in saying this here is that when you bail out the richest people in the world because the stock market is crashing when it's a 2nd thought now george and i in the gaggle of talk to many many times about the indecision or in the collapse of the ruling class particularly in the united states to being so stingy in dealing with working people when they already paid off all their buddies go ahead. so you're right there is a glaring inequality in the treatment that's been meted out to the richest in the poorest during this financial crash and during this pandemic which have come together. they did not cause one another but they have come together and they have exacerbated one another very very much but they have also exposed the fundamental flaws and weaknesses in in this current system because it's not simply a question of of unfairness or missile mean this or not caring so much as the logic

at the heart of the system which is about maximizing profit and the reason that we have this financial crisis in the 1st place is the impoverishment of the paul. in order to. produce more goods more cheaply you need more also mation you need fewer employees that work as an individual capitalist that's how you make the most money but of course that means making people redundant that means making your market smaller you're making more goods but there are fewer people with money in that who can buy it because you have this huge problem where the number of pull is growing exponentially but they are not a market for capitalist goods if they have no money in their pocket then needs don't count and this is the big problem with capitalism the need of the many to consume basic things to stay alive doesn't count for anything as far as the market is concerned to produce things and so you have these this constant mismatch and

it's driving further and further apart as we have more and more poor people and i want to put to mind into an economy that's flirted with capital that doesn't know what to do with itself you know it george the the interesting thing here is i really get noid in the mainstream media when they don't use all of these macro numbers you know like g.d.p. and all that it's really quite meaningless ok the stock market is growing you know like we should all break out a bottle of champagne i mean what percentage of the population own stock ok i mean in the 1970 s. people there was a good percentage of the population of the united states did now that is the case here but the interesting thing as a thing which i think you said there is that the economy can expand it can actually grow but it doesn't need a certain percentage of the population anymore and in the united states i would say at least 30 percent they're not necessary ok i mean they can live in poverty it

doesn't change the dynamics of g.d.p. and the stock market and all that and that's what's missing here. yes that's exactly right and your view is. that what's been happening. for decades now is palm. we get these constants corporate tax back for the rich or is that you know when you already have $25000.00 i don't know how many houses there's already that much more than that you can purchase a lot of capital to be doing nothing very much other than you know going into the stock market and you're boosting the some markets. you know the way you can stimulate an economy the way you can stimulate them on and thereby stimulate production is by people having money in that office but then they will never happen because the moment you ask people whether money in their pocket comes to bed or

you know there's a central bank saying well there's and then there's a real threat of inflation and they immediately abandon their on that and so now what is really happening is that there is a constant the public political the mom and all the only way to get stimulus in the economy is buy back but. you know we've already found doesn't do anything big but big back donald trump to get the name 2017 there's nothing i mean as basic had no effect whatsoever the whole idea behind it was that this will be an investment in the law for capital would come back into the united states and there'll be some how it will be invested in manufacturing is the it didn't happen or they don't relate that all happen is they'll be gone by the act which will boost . the value of the jazz held by the stuff all the c.e.o.'s to be doing very nicely but the manufacturing industry is not going to be stimulated to go. you know you

know used to invent another derivative that's what you do with this money here ok and try to generate money out of the. most out of nothing here and still be one of the things that really bothers me is that you know if in the end. realize west the middle class has been besieged a good part of 50 years now and this seems to being one of the last nails in the coffin here because you know when you and i'm a huge supporter of entrepreneurship and small businesses and medium sized businesses and a good number of good percentage of those businesses are going completely wiped out there's a consolidation we have wealth moving up in a number precedented rate right now and what and least i can speak about the united states is that that's when entrepreneurship was very much associated with the middle class well you know in the u.s. you're told you can not work you cannot operate your business you're told by the government to do that though they don't help you ok they don't help you get through

it all that but you know a lot of these businesses you know it was like a restaurant you know i mean you know you have to be at 50 percent capacity when you're at 99 percent capacity you're barely making it by you know telling these people to go 50 percent you're telling them to go say could buy that people put their whole life in to here and it's not going to come back but again g.d.p. is doing just fine this stuff behind it is just doing just fine here and if you if you're working from home you probably did pretty well this year you probably cut down on your expenses because it wasn't as easy to spend money i mean this is the how the economy is changing and i'm still convinced that is a k. recovery people are doing well and the people are doing poorly go ahead yes and of course increasingly the numbers who are doing well a fewer and fewer in the numbers who are doing poorly are more and more all i mean really what you're putting your finger on peter i think is just the inherent unfairness of the system and unfortunately however much we look to the small

business model as a kind of stair free trade well do well mostly the reality of life and experience and of history is that small scale comfort isn't lead. to big scale capitalism and it leads to monopoly and small capitalists little entrepreneurs cannot compete with monopoly of you as you have just described a small business person can put their life into a business and then you make anything in the competition to kind of stay going in a well that's dominated by monopoly capital which can shape everything can shape legislation you know the whole economic and political environment is shaped by the power of monopoly and the idea that little businesses can somehow survive and keep going in this wealth is shown to be a nonsense and 2020 has not created anything new in that respect but it has

massively emphasized and accelerated that process ok but george and what we're all describing here there is a historical term for it and it's serfdom this is what it's come out it works it's a new serfdom this is what it is ok because i mean. at least half the population doesn't have the resources and we don't have resources you don't have political power ok. and again you know i don't want to go down that this rabbit hole but you know elections again can have interesting outcomes but it that way ok but when you when you when you take all these resources away from people then you're not you're not even having a stake in it ok i mean you have. a 50 percent of the population servicing 10 percent of the population and then the rest are just irrelevant to ok i mean that it's a there's some fascinating data out there the top 10 percent there their spending went down maybe like 15 percent but the people that service them their income went down like 75 percent ok it was exactly what you were talking about how many cars

can you know how many houses do you need how many picasso's do you need your head or. that's exactly right. so what you're really getting. through. then they now think oh really the retail business is going to huge groups of bangs now there are won't transactions on now go through the bank the normal kind. and yesterday and you're right when what happened when jim was quote well with him over the garden there's no. people are listening because they but they you know go well they are late and they do all right you know they have you know they have their own private get in their own luxury condos they have very well they can have their own hire their own trainers and as you say the rest the rest of the population of the middle class you know they can go to blazes i mean are you gonna make it your car or make it and if they become

a ward of the state then sooner or later government will come along and say well you better go in private golf you know you can't go around living off the government well your whole life off you go why did you get waves when government policy impoverished them in the very. well i'm going to be the last 40 seconds here i think one thing that we can put to rest here is that a politician saying there's no money more it's ok because we know there's plenty of money when your friends your wealthy friends when trouble there's plenty of money or you can say you were don't have a lot 30 seconds well initial term it's clear that if there was a window there could be found a way for an emergency redistribution of the wealth to enable those poorest people who are right now in absolute destitution to be lifted up in the long term we need a completely different system peter well and i want to say that we have someone barbara let me as a conservative so george and i can agree to and we had

a very good civilized conversation and you ended our program on a how to we should have another program up on just that west has all the time we have i want to make my guests bristle and budapest i want to thank our viewers for watching us here knocking see you next member. she should relate to those it did just that it just means that. you don't mind the . malls all. the time you can look them up along today in that country not if they were established at the map. more than last sept is that.

good enough i mean that i'm still. going to. use the term obama i don't know what i'm going to. look at what's called the minimal. plan going to come up thinking i come up each time she comes home to go tell me it's accomplishing nothing i mean come. on. ha ha ha. ha ha ha ha.

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