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hello and welcome to cross town where all things are considered i'm peter lugo with time running out we'll in should donald trump intervene in stop the persecution of julian assange also as this tumultuous year comes to an end we assess the cost to average working people in equality is only getting worse. to discuss these issues and more i'm joined by my guest judging by our end bristol she is deputy leader of the workers' party of britain as well as all other of the drive to war against russia in china and in budapest we crossed to george w. well he he is an author and a you tuber at the capitol or across up rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it ok let's go to bristol here give me

give me and give our viewers the case for giving either a part or dismissal of charges against. because as we all know they do in the rumor mills swirling that trump is contemplating a pardon of joining us i should also add when it is known. and give the case to our viewers. well of course in any kind of justice system no case would ever been brought in the 1st place in my view it's not a pardon we want but it dismissal of the case there is no case to julian assange is guilty of facilitating the truth of publishing facts nobody has ever disputed anything that unionists are published he was very careful despite the way that he's been presented he was always very careful to make sure that individuals could not be harmed from the things that he published but what he enable to happen

was the truth to the truth which was you didn't to us when the war in iraq and the war in afghanistan was launched now the truth was able to come out for 2 reasons one is there was so much resistance by the people in those countries that gave the 1st lie to the big lie that said we're going to liberate these people the war was pushed as a war of liberation it was about democracy it was about human rights you know you talk very often peter on your program about the crisis of legitimacy and where does it come from well one of the big places it comes from is the law is on which we have gone to war in the last 20 years and the law is against of the lies that took us to war in afghanistan that lies that took us to war in iraq they were 1st of all rebutted by the actions of the people in those countries themselves they resisted they did not welcome in the troops they fought and they fought and they fought and because there is was dragged on there was their opportunity for information to

start to come out in the way that it never did with the yugoslav for which was also launched on lies but ended very quickly in these wars that dragged on it was possible for information to start to come out and wiki leaks played a really important role in exposing the behavior and the motivations of the troops and the governments who were prosecuting the walls and. turning the sails in the eyes of people who would believe the lies that took us to will you know george it's beautiful summation that we just heard there and you know george the greatest crime and put that in cause their greatest crime they've done joining us on community is the exposed war crimes and that's why there are persecuted him because he exposed the naked aggression and war crimes that the united states and its allies have committed in these foreign wars that are grossly unpopular right now go ahead george yes i agree it was the it's

a great crime and that is why when you look back all the wars the filthy describes iraq. which would also add to that living. known as these bondage the lies that were probably gaited on behalf of those was how does. the horrific horrific death and bloodshed and destruction of society is that a result. no this is any punishment none of the people suffer any consequences or you know you you know we can name all of those names you know the david frum the bill kristol all of the people who are in the in the bushes and chase in the collar roads they all have lucrative jobs on the various cable networks and they go down very high say who has suffered as a result of the iraq i kind of libya the truth is they are the ones who have gone

to prison whether it's a jewel in the sun whether it's chelsea manning. with those edward snowden is the true sailors who have some and that's a ways that he can say that i straight away this is the deep state operate that the days of the people who actually expose the war crimes who go to prison we go sunday will. well hey this is this is a violation of you know the law you know that's and that you know they have that. type of the prison guard or you know destroy i don't know how many tens of thousands hundreds of thousands of lives you're going to go like a professorship at georgetown so. i think you're absolutely right that this arc of great crime just being one of the things that it's bringing that's really amazing as we really think about the whole concept in history of weeks it only didn't have any traction it was only in marketing there's only one question

reason why it was the reason why weeks because journalism and journalists were doing journalism and and that's another thing that and and i think that's one of the most painful things for me is watching a journalist hop on board let's get julian saying i mean it's a travesty for the profession and julian assange to be there because they didn't do their job own head. that is absolutely right and again that same journalist fraternity has been tied to the imperious war machine for a long time and we can see the extent to which people are starting to recognize that not only in things like the election of donald trump remember one of the big things he pointed to that really resonated with people was media. for example in britain recently we had the mori survey of trusted and most and least trusted professions and journalists and politicians now in britain and i think probably the

u.s. as well came below estate agents. the state agents have been a byword for shysters and charlatans for a long time we know they're trying to sell us a pill and we recognize why that is and why they behave the way they behave the fact that we now think the same and even worse about the people who are allegedly supposed to be serving us supposed to be perpetuating democracy shows exactly what people are starting to think about this so-called liberal democracy under which we live. so your question was about. the integrity of gerald. yeah so the. case in point with julian assange i mean it's really really painful so many people made their careers of the weekly leaks capers and revelations the work that you know his comrades did they his colleagues in him putting this information out and enabling the press to have

a field day when they wanted to but now when he is in the dock most of them are looking the other way many of them i mean look at the guardian is a classic example of someone who's made his entire career out of wiki leaks and yet has cheerless the whole campaign of vilification against studio this attempt to destroy his character so that if there is justifiable for the public not to be told . well to look the other way when he is when he's being crucified in public you know by the british and justice system it's really painful and shocking and it reinforces people's ideas about gender some not to be trusted. you know judge george is also one of the great russia gators as well ok i mean they seem to go hand in hand ok i'm going out for someone that actually did the job that they would do and then on the other hand making a career out of a hoax here and this is i think that this sums up in many ways what journalism is

becoming and it's it's hackery it's partisan it's an advocacy and no wonder that the public doesn't trust them in and unfortunately people will go to other sources that may not be how much veracity here and that's when you get a lot of confusion in confusion in the public sphere having said that we can leaks look at its whole history when to get something wrong when it will be any journalistic al it helped that the the road record that we can link says the answer is no go ahead i'm not really right i mean when you think mainstream go on to that very name of them that can be easily denounced me and my lines and not well if we didn't get it wrong well go iraq to the weapons of mass destruction wrong they've gone. wrong to libya it would be better off without get off your. russian. boat i think got yugoslavia horribly

wrong that's pretty bad retro now you look at video wiki leaks yeah what do they get wrong there's not nothing that they've got wrong and it's back whole family that has. planes that julian has not. used by the russian. as. the conduit or the. e-mails to discredit that hillary clinton and her trumpet the president there's no evidence and no one ever been presented and he's back. in the secret hearing before the house intelligence committee and the one with the claim that somehow this is all. you actually said well we don't really have any evidence of that you know that. crouch right really basically just. looking at

a half of the plane the plane that was the russian though that's not the whole story and then you go right again is the link between. war and wiggling all of that whole story was just absolute nonsense just made out of whole cloth and that is why i don't know whether i don't jump well bob i'm doing this not but also should see that he is in his interest in those because the forces that were arrayed against them is not were exactly the forces that were arrayed against him this was very people who were trying to destroy it was destroyed his presidency where the very ones who are calling for a new a new king but not quite new pink but. hillary clinton. droning on and assassinating him. but the same people so that's why i think you're drunk you best incorrectly he would they would go in yesterday josina do you mention you know the need to smear campaign to destroy julian assange and his

character let's keep in mind everyone watching this is the it is alleged and some of reported that donald trump offered some kind of consumption so your pardon did enjoying a silence before he would give up his sources and as a person but hey if it takes his position as a journalist seriously apparently he turned it down because he's not going to burn a source. so look at the character of all the people attacking him and look at joining us on just character 30 seconds going to joke absolutely and this is been something that's been the case all the way through for people who want to see the truth it's very very clear who has the principles and who doesn't and the presentation of julian assange you know media in the years since the system ruling class turned against him has been truly horrific and the people who are making money out of vilifying him all the ones who should be looking in the mirror truly ashamed of themselves they are getting paid for propping up

a system that commits crimes ruthlessly everywhere all over the globe down there we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on some real news. we started talking about that point 0 dollars back in 2011 we've been pushing and telling people about a 10 dollars 100 dollars 1000 dollars 10000 dollars and still buy at these new all time high prices on the new york times washington d.c. c.n.n. we're all pushing their. conspiracy theory and dissuading folks from watching our show as a result many people around the world mexico latin america asia everywhere got in from 100 countries that are broadcast to and they have made millions we wait all rounder 1000 millionaires are becoming but not so much in the u.s. because the u.s.

is blinkered by its love of keynesian economics it's a lot of the said it's dead. welcome to cross town where all things are considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're

discussing some real news. ok let's go back to bristol this year is coming to an end we discuss what possibly donald trump could do to. give justice to join us on if he so wishes but as something that. maybe one would claim a lot of his reporters would claim supporters would claim that he's a victim of this pandemic but. i look at it in a very different way i look at what's happened all across the western world particularly in the united states because of a lack of government support for working people here and one of the conclusions of drawn is that a lot of working people it least in the industrialized western world are just simply not necessary for the elites they just don't really matter and for the unfortunate thing for these elites that these people still have the vote to ok

because that's where they become a true they make trouble they make trouble with breaks that they make trouble voting for for trump and well whatever happened to the voting in 2016 others but my point in saying this here is that when you bail out the richest people in the world because the stock market is crashing but you know it's a 2nd thought now george and i in the gaggle of talk to many many times about the indecision or in the collapse of the ruling class particularly in the united states to being so stingy in dealing with working people when they already paid off all their buddies go ahead. so you're right there is a glaring inequality in the treatment that's been meted out to the richest in the poorest during this financial crash and during this pandemic which have come together. they did not cause one another but they have come together and they have exacerbated one another very very much but they've also exposed the

fundamental flaws and weaknesses in in this current system because it's not simply a question of of unfairness or missile mean this or not caring so much as the logic at the heart of the system which is about maximizing profit and the reason that we have this financial crisis in the 1st place is there impoverishment of the pour. in order to. produce more goods more cheaply you need more also mation you need fewer employees that work as an individual capitalist that's how you make the most money but of course that means making people redundant that means making your market smaller you're making more goods but there are fewer people with money in that you can buy it because you have this huge problem where the number of pull is growing exponentially but they are not a market for capitalist goods if they have no money in their pocket then needs to count and this is the big problem with capitalism the need of the many to consume

basic things to stay alive doesn't count for anything in stores the market is concerned to produce things and so you have these this constant mismatch and it's driving further and further apart as we have more more poor people and they want to put demand into an economy that's flirted with capital that doesn't know what to do with itself you know in georgia the the interesting thing here is i really get noid in the mainstream media when they don't use all of these macro numbers you know like g.d.p. and all that it's really quite meaningless ok for the stock market is growing you know like we should all break out a bottle of champagne i mean what percentage of the population own stock ok i mean in the 1970 s. people there was a good percentage of the population of the united states did now that is the case here but the interesting thing as to which i think you said there is that the economy can expand it can actually grow but it doesn't need

a certain percentage of the population anymore and in the united states i would say at least 30 percent they're not necessary ok i mean they can live in poverty it doesn't change the dynamics of g.d.p. and the stock market and all that and that's what's missing here. yes that's exactly right and europe is. what they're happening. decades not. palm. we get these constant corporate tax back for the rich well there is that you know when you already have $25000.00 i don't know how many houses there's already that much more than that you can purchase a lot of capital to be doing nothing very much other than you're going into the stock market and you're boosting the some markets. you know the way you can stimulate an economy the way you can stimulate them on and thereby stimulate production is by people having money in that office but then they will never happen

because the moment you ask people where the money in their pocket comes to bed or you know there's a central bank saying well there's and then there's a real threat of inflation and they immediately really abandon their on that and so now what is really happening is that there is a constant the public political the mom more you know the only way we can get simulants in the economy is by fact but. you know we've already found doesn't do anything big that's big back donald trump to give the name 2017 there's nothing i mean as basic had no effect whatsoever the whole idea behind it was that this will be an investment in the law for capital would come back into the united states and there'll be some how it will be invested in manufacturing is the is in the hands of those that don't relate that all happen is they'll be gone by the act which will boost. the value of the jazz held by the softball the c.e.o.'s of the

doing very nicely but the manufacturing industry is not going to over the simulator the whole. you know you know use of invent another derivative that's what you do with this money here ok and try to generate money out of the. most out of nothing here and still be one of the things that really bothers me is that you know if in the end. realize west the middle class has been besieged a good part of 50 years now and this seems to being one of the last nails in the coffin here because you know when you and i'm a huge supporter of entrepreneurship and small businesses and medium sized businesses and a good number of good percentage of those businesses are going completely wiped out there's a consolidation we have wealth moving up in a number precedented rate right now and what and at least i can speak about the united states is that that's what entrepreneurship is very much associated with the

middle class well you know in the u.s. you're told you can not work you cannot operate your business you're told by the government to do that though they don't help you ok they don't help you get through it all that but you know a lot of these businesses you know it was like a restaurant you know i mean you know you have to be at 50 percent capacity when you're at 99 percent capacity you're barely making it by you know telling these people to go 50 percent you're telling them to go say could buy that people put their whole life in to here and it's not going to come back but again g.d.p. is doing just fine this stuff behind it is just doing just fine here and if you if you're working from home you probably did pretty well this year you probably cut down on your expenses because it wasn't as easy to spend money i mean this is how think the economy is changing and i'm still convinced that is take a recovery people are doing well and the people are doing poorly go ahead yes and of course increasingly the numbers who are doing well

a fewer and fewer in the numbers who are doing poorly are more and mobile i mean really what you're putting your finger on peter i think is just the inherent unfairness of the system and unfortunately however much we look to the small business model as a kind of stair free trade well do well mostly the reality of life and experience and of history is that small scale comfort isn't lead. to big scale capitalism and it leads to monopoly and small capitalists little entrepreneurs cannot compete with monopoly of you as you have just described a small business person can put their life into a business and then you make anything in the competition to kind of stay going in a well that's dominated by monopoly capital which can shape everything can shape legislation you know the whole economic and political environment is shaped by the power of monopoly and the idea that little businesses can somehow survive and keep

going in this wealth is shown to be a nonsense and 2020 has not created anything new in that respect but it has massively emphasized and accelerated that process ok but george what we're all describing here there is a historical term for it and it's serfdom this is what it's come about it works it's a new serfdom this is what it is ok because i mean. at least half the population doesn't have the resources and we don't have resources you don't have political power ok. and again you know i don't want to go down that this rabbit hole but you know elections again can have interesting outcomes put it that way ok but when you when you when you take all these resources away from people then you're not you're not even having a stake in it ok i mean if you help you you have. a 50 percent of the population servicing 10 percent of the population and then the rest are just irrelevant to ok i mean that it's a there's some fascinating data out there the top 10 percent there their spending

went down maybe like 15 percent but the people that service them their income went down like 75 percent ok it was exactly what you were talking about how many cars can you know how many houses do you need how many picasso's do you need your head or. that's exactly right. so what you're really getting. your. then they now think oh really the retail business we've got a huge plumes of bangs on right now and they're oh oh transactions on now go to the bank the normal kind. and yesterday and you're right when what happened when jim was quote well with him over the garden there's no. people are homeless here and they because they but they you know go well player land they do all right you know they have you know they have their own pride and get in their own luxury condos they have very well they can have their own hire their own trainers and as

you say the rest the rest of the population of the middle class you know they can go to blazes i mean are you gonna make it your car rake it in and if they become a ward of the state then sooner or later government will come along and say well do you want to go in private golf you know you can't go around living off the government well your whole life off you go fight if you don't get waves when government policy impoverished them in the very. well i'm going to be the last 40 seconds here i think one thing that we can put to rest here is that a politician saying there's no money more it's ok because we know there's plenty of money when your friends your wealthy friends rent double there's plenty of money or you can say you were done and lot 30 seconds well initial to me it's clear that if there was a will there could be found a way for an emergency redistribution of the wealth to enable those poorest people who are right now in absolute destitution to be lifted up in the long term we need

a completely different system peter well and i want to say that we have someone far left me as a conservative so george thank you i'm going to and we had a very good civilized conversation and you ended our program on a topic we should have another program up on just the west as all the time we have i want to make my guest bristol and put it best when i think our viewers they're watching and you're knocking see you next member. she sure movielink it goes it didn't just that it just means nothing if you don't mind it just became isn't on. the shuttles all. the time you can look at the mouthpiece you know for how long to name

a country to be noticed in the establishment the map doesn't. show about the economy to have more than a last sept is that. you will see all. the money to go no i mean that i'm still going to. miss home i'm almost around to what i was going to use the term obama didn't know i'm going to go. look at what's called the minimal point of going to my homeland going to come up thinking i come up each time she comes home to go missing office can i think i mean come on we have to get out what am i doing going to. join me every thursday on the all excitement chill and i'll be speaking to guest of the world of politics sports business i'm sure. i'll see you there.

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