that of climate and environmental catastrophe we must move to net 0 emissions within a few decades and one goal of the green new deal is to provide the means to do that the other problem which is arising with great therapy right now is the collapse of the economy as a result of the endemic now it is not this is a very different kind of crisis from the financial crisis this time there is no escape through just consumer spending or coring money and the. stock market that's not going to do anything we have to create a new economy which offers good jobs. constructive for. developing the times of interest structures social environmental structure physical

structure that we need the kind of goods that we need to live a decent life and that's the other half of the green new deal it is essential for not only for survival but for health issues you mention corona virus how does coronavirus alter your analysis given that corona virus threatens corporate profits interstate lee it does not yet. sure etan most corporate profits many corporations are making money hand over 'd fist though that high tech for example whether it was $1.00 day in which jeff is us termed $13000000000.00 or they're going to hedge funds private equity funds old doing fine because the treasurer is poor and the money into the economy

in a way which largely benefits them if you take a look at the economy take the united states but it's world will the stock market is breaking records however he's breaking records they're totally dissociated and that's. a sign of the eat disease of the economy which then only be overcome by the development of the policies. outlined in the details of the green new deal proposals what do you make of the continuing corporate reframing of the climate crisis it's up to ordinary people to recycle to buy organic food it's up to them rather than the need for systemic change naturally those who benefit from existing institutions do duck under see them changed not which rose to fear the toilet area dictatorship and

their problems the dictator isn't going to say overthrow me well that's analogous to what you're describing the core of the problem is the. mantra of. production for private profit not for need and the you should the fossil fuels will be have to be phasing the mel and moving towards total sustainable energy no new emissions within a few decades we've talked to scientists about how deforestation that to coronavirus tell me about how in the book you talk about even strategies like red it's called ari d d it's funded by corporations to stop deforestation but in your book here say that it actually facilitates deforestation encourages it. helps corporate farmers at the

expense of others why is it time and time again these strategies sponsored by governments and the world bank in that case seem to achieve the opposite effect i mean they may in the back of their minds decent intentions but they were constrained by the nature to tional or to develop programs which will not arm the our full institution. my. in the corporate sector but will in fact i'm sure to their needs the result is policies which whatever their intentions are often negative in their effects we have to address the problems directly without. giving priority to the needs of the destructive institutions there's no time to overcome who live in a we have to accommodate to their existence the time scale of institutional

change is out of the range of time skills or dealing with the environment of forests so we have to work within the basic institutional structure that exists within it we can find a very clear definite policies there outline the my colleague poems your view sions the book and so on the till which with a small percentage of the economy suffice it to will suffice to deal with these twin programs has helped book actually go further than the road to hell being paved by good intentions because we want to shock people as you call it deliberately malicious a steak was just happening right in front of her eyes. so the last few days was

strong couper back in the truck with ministration has been eliminating. regulations which protect the population and the environment 'd from release of methane or snakes other talks of ways to the benefit of the corporate system not only to focus fuel companies it banks finance them benefits them. it's merely harms the environment and harms the american people then clear now if that's not malice what is now there may be somebody in the border who says it would be nice to deal with the environment and it would be nice to build but when it comes to making specific decisions to maximize profit while market share all those good intentions faded to the

back and the book the deal is clannad full employment is he bob calling quote calm ox saying capitalism require as an employment to diminish the bargaining power of work because whereas this green deal seems to provide for full employment. remember the we do not live in a capitalist society of the kind that marx was discussing marx was discussing quite properly an abstract form of capitalism which brings out its essential nature so every existence. is watermill a form of state capitalism where state action has been undertaken under popular pressure to mitigate the destructive forces of pure

capitalism so yes sure capitalism would require as mark says a reserve army but state capitalism and overcome the floor and move to guarantee employment an incentive decent employment there for one doesn't do with the problems of capitalism in fact we were moving pretty close to formal full employment. under 'd obama's so the tepid response to the financial crisis continued but it was not the kind of full employment that any decent human being would want the jury a large part of it was finally your chair or his job but very low i got to ask you did it surprise even you how capitalism has reinforced systems of power among the eat even though it may endanger their own children suppose you're the c.e.o.

'd of. j.p. morgan chase biggest bank or exxon mobil you basically have 2 choices one choice is to meet the requirements of the institutional structures that exist and work to maximize profits. no matter what the human consequences that's one choice the other choice is to put those aside and work to create a decent world suppose you make such a choice in your be at least thrown out by the board of directors and somebody else's good in who makes the 1st choice these are institutional ones not individual no that's not to say that it would be changed within existing institutions

it can so take j.p. morgan chase again biggest bank you know recently internal memo of the bank was leaked and made public it was very interesting it weren't the directors of the bank that this in their words the survival of humanity is at stake if we continue on our present course of funding falso feels that it added that the bank is facing reputational risks meaning the public is getting and rage and will take its revenge on you and harm you the leaders of the bank unless you make moves towards. working to save humanity from destruction otherwise the banks will be taken over the public and national ads which then be done or replaced by public things that's all within

reach and the leaders of the economy know that their old is quite fragile while everything seems nationalized here in britain more so than after the 2008 crash because of a pandemic and hundreds of people are being arrested on the streets of london as part of the extinction rebellion protest that j.p. morgan claims in public. rather than any mema fossil fuel loads for the arctic drilling have stopped their phasing out known for coal mining and they're planning a $200000000000.00 empowerment something called the empowerment economic development deal on pa with goldman sachs you mention exxon mobil well the bottom shelf says yes climate change is real yes renewables are. indispensable part of the future energy mix but no provoking provoking a sudden death of fossil fuel is not a plausible plan and then what you do is explain to the general public

that this holds that they're serving their own interests and you must hold their feet to the fire to dry up those pretenses and to do it they know is in fact feasible and correct to move away from certainly from coal and from all 'd fossil fuels as rapidly as we are involved in class war or one of the ruling class doesn't say i'm just going to do it i want i don't care about you it can't they don't have that power the rule is fragile they know it and therefore they must accommodate to it enter judged active engaged of your relation exactly as is often done in the us the green new deal uses the phrase

new deal because the new deal in the 1930 s. did something very similar. well not all are sufficient skill but same kind of government action to overcome a crisis deep crisis school cause the fundamental flaws of the list. and then came the war wish that slid more expense way beyond anything required. ended the depression created. over the last. relative consumer demand which led to several. fairly rapid surely go there it grew now i'm trying to scale stopping that more from one of the world's greatest public intellectuals after this break.

down the financial the line today was all about money laundering 1st to put it this cash in the 3 different. oh good that's a good start well we have our 3 banks all set up here maybe something in europe something in america something overseas or the cayman islands or the rio all these banks are complicit in their tough talk or serious up to give mccall it's a camera to do some serious money laundering ok let's see how we did while we've got all of that and i still dream plots for max and for stacy on beautiful jewelry and how about. luxury automobile again for max payne only money laundering highly illegal don't be a fraud watch times report. world is driven by shaped.

thinks. we. welcome back i'm still here with american dissidents and author of the seminal manufacturing consent no i'm jones k. imagine the new deal clearly your primary process for the democrats did not elect bernie sanders who favored a new deal style politics here in britain of course jeremy corbyn lost the election what do you make of november you say in the book the democrats are in the pockets of wall street lobbyists the republicans you compared to right wing fringe parties of europe. you know that's. we have it right now the republicans are with

the spectrum they are in international comparisons they are compared with 3 parties in europe with neo fascist backgrounds and on issues like the climate the worst in the world they want to trumpet ministration wants to race towards maximizing the use of fossil fuels eliminating the regulatory system which reduces somewhat their destructive effect on the climate on the elation perfectly open about this not pretending anything who 'd was take a look at the republican convention not a word about it just trying to rouse people's emotions fears a fear that wakes primacy. of. taking away their guns and any emotional appeal you can imagine told very familiar from or

a product regimes of a new fresh. in the inside the democratic party there's a conflict striving. you can see it if you look closely at what's happened to climate you know back about 2 weeks take a look at the internet 2 weeks ago look for democratic party climate for the pretty progressive program was biden's program forced on biden he didn't choose it forced on biden by the progress or praise 'd. program or that any that it exist tailored if the same internet now. to fill in right tray and clipped democratic climate programs what you find is nothing they removed the d n the democratic national committee the d.n.c.

basically clintonite donor oriented democrats managed in a big power play to remove biden's progressive climate program that's a battle inside the democratic party is very rather similar to what we just saw and britain. where 'd the blairite right wing labor party or them entry labor party managed undermine the korban campaign in a really vicious matter very powerful 800 page deterrent study of how they did it which is being mostly pressed in the british press area or which showed means that they went to to try to undermine corbin's effort to develop the labor party that would be responsive to the needs of

its constituents before this story labor party with policies that actually had very high approval among the government the right way for the labor party for the mentor they were 40 couldn't stand that they'd rather lose the election than lose control of the party were saying something similar to that in the conflict within the democratic party today and what it means is the progressive popular base were harder more energetically more commitment traced by who wins the election to ensure that they go back to the interest if programs that they had announced and not be forced to abandon them by the donor oriented clintonite conservative element of the party and basically what used to be called moderate republicans for all of that is fastly overshadowed by the

desperate need to get rid of the malignancy in the way. which whatever criticism you make of the democratic party the white house will need nancy is incomparably more and will if that free. they say it's true. well we invite suggest aamer on to refute what you said about labor however he's seeking an investigation into our right to broadcast at all that's for joe biden apparently the policy hasn't changed 2 trillion dollars to boost clean energy and upgrade a foreman in buildings a seeking of a shift towards public transportation but of course as you know in the most recent speech joe biden said no ban on fracking there are so many different aspects obviously to the green new deal but given that we've had the deaths of refugees

being reported here in the english channel and in this book you say rich countries are in turmoil because a small fraction of refugees might defile their precious ethnic purity and you also quote the u.n. figure of 65000000 refugees fleeing violence present condition and global warming why do you think they are presented in our media as a migrant and that the real enemy here is human trafficking not foreign policy. for the reasons that you just quoted. but you're. well. it sure will racial purity we've seen that if ur new mystery is disgraceful it's shocking to be over. your reaction so they were if it's gross as this. where you're moving the

study know senators who are structures in africa like you sure to try to teach her. plea from the wreckage those european imperialism to make sure that they don't get to europe sure robi keep them away from us. you know the there's a reason why people are fleeing not because they love europe is because of intolerable 'd conditions largely created by a european terror violence over centuries and now it's europe's responsibility to behave humanely towards. a not to resort to racist pretenses in order to honest them for all for europe's crimes same is true here when president troll. compels

mexico to keep central american refugees from reaching the territory of the united states to pull for asylum which they certainly deserve why are they fleeing central america not because they don't like their own the current us terrorist lyall and destroyed their country there quite a few books people can read of us about that and that's terrible and violent i just . that you would agree presumably with donald trump however that our greatest immediate threat was a nuclear holocaust caused by nuclear weapons agree with trump is racing towards maximizing just threat of nuclear weapons that's why the the clock has been moved over the famous doomsday clock has been

moved the minute then has been moved closer to midnight every year the trunk has been in office this last january they abandoned minutes moved to seconds. 100 seconds to midnight since january has continued as an act on the arms control regime which is has been the somewhat limited enormous threat of nuclear destruction it already eliminated the i.n.f. treaty when couple months ago more chillun aided the open skies treaty which traces but was no he is no he laid on shrivel a skrull delayed implement the renewal of the new start treaty well now it may be too late to renew it and it's the last of the major treaty is soon

won beyond that were threatening to start nuclear testing as have been learned for 28 years all of this is on top of that moving towards creating. new weapon new and for more threatening weapons of destruction against which there is no possible. democrats don't have a pretty record on this issue but nothing from well we invite we invite the u.s. ambassador on trump says actually he's all for peace obviously meant but finally i've got to ask you about julian a songe of wiki leaks he begins the trial of his life in 48 hours time in a london court the u.n. rabbitohs been on this show says he's been having 3 tortured by british authorities what do you think it will mean if the wiki leaks founder is extradited to the

united states on espionage charges. it would be a criminal act on the part of the british. to exceed to the us to vent for extradition. would be issued they've already committed many crimes. on a songes offense is not saying bail. no she had good reasons not to because he would have been extradited. but not paying bill requires a tap on the wrist not torture in a high security prison. up to the what reason not even a leader is allowed to receive books i'm in mass murderers or being treated like in a way beyond the worst vicious criminal ok and if he's extradited it comes up for trial on the us as spinoza's laws which even carry

a potential death. it's trial is being droid committed the crime of letting the general population know things that they have a right to know and that powerful states don't want of the know that's the crime. and the way the british government is acting is deplorable. it or pressure again must be developed to ensure that each other be released quickly from these chargers and. be absolved of all these threats while u.k. prime minister mark johnson says it's only right that joining us on finally faces just as the government says it supports the important work of the un special rapporteur on torture but disagrees with a number of his observations as for the us sector say pompei he says wiki leaks is a hostile intelligence agency noam chomsky thank you that's in for one of your favorite shows of the last season we will be back with

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