published right out to the operation in 2003 i think i wrote it in 2005 this is avian flu and at the time it looked like booze in a way faced with a pandemic flu the biggest disastrous is the 1980 spanish flu it was warning about the emergence of bird flu variant old age 5 and $1.00. which had an extraordinary high rate but since the book was written several newer high it is of influence a equal. and troubling have arisen in on a very limited scale infected humans the spread of an influenza pandemic. is generally is 189-9900 remains absolutely no minute and zooming

as i'm in discussed during a pandemic is the. importance of developing a universal flu vaccine there attacks the in very in their area parts of the service in of influenza and could give a sim unity from every poor even in influenza his we should realize that this is not a pandemic it's the beginning of an age of pandemics. that researchers in china base the institute. that's come under attack from president truman. have done a service in research and discovery of the reservoir of the more than $350.00 per pervert $500.00 varieties of viruses all with the potential to china to mammal other mammals and eventually humans. in china you know whose name is

most the largest group of mammals in the world. fly their bats 1500 species about 200 is species have they have been surveyed to some extent or another so there's a whole universe of trona viruses there as well as many other kinds of viruses that. are part of the natural reservoir and it is corporate law again an expansion of clear cut in and agriculture breakdown of barriers between a sunni. animals of the rain pours around the world as we destroy israel floors were ever increasing the possibility of transmission of the virus says and the possibility of new pandemics and you kind of imply that there's no cover up when no one else was concerned as concerned as you were the information you say was out

there similarly we're not being told now we live in the age of coronaviruses plural because why because there's no cover up but there's a structural well one of the things the troubled ministration did and in this country the attack on. research on potentially pandemic diseases and in general one public health started the day or 2 is not your asian is he defunded. in american sponsored program there was an early warning system through the emergence of novel lyra says in diseases in china and in southeast asia. he also of course wired the earth team on the national security council that obama had created in the aftermath of the. ebola deadly ebola happy demick in.

west africa. to deal with a pandemic which was universally agree. with any needs ret the united states some other countries i mean the warnings about this since. the beginning of the millennium have been constant the planning. has been kind of their reports have been guarded since it but it's suddenly united states it's in your country and . most countries of western europe are always planning came to not it was largely. ignored and now in my country the. president tried has who he says are all on which is a medical spokesman name scott apple as he's a parks news commentator who exactly parrots the line that the tribe in

ministration expresses that mass probably useless schoolchildren don't transmit the earth and to make the testing should be limited to only people in critically endangered groups trump obvious he says things that he says off of the united states doing better and he certainly is doing better than the united kingdom on deaths per capita well in the case of britain i mean i think you know him. it is now obvious that a deliberate strategy of herd immunity. was followed that the johnson government. deliberately decided to minimize damage to. the economy by letting the disease essentially spread and the catastrophic failure of the u.k. government. to come immediately to the aid of people in senior homes and.

nursing moms nyquist same thing as news sweden which explicitly. darted herd immunity and behind this there is a kind of. would i would consider enormous new nazi. germany as it were whole lies unworthy of light and the whole idea that some part of the population is sacrifice that will prove the greater good of the economy through credit diabolical right there well obviously we invite the swedish ambassador. to london at all on the program sweden did say that they have made some mistakes so that it has any nazi activity and as far as johnson they moved away from her the immunity and there's presumably going to be a public inquiry here as to what exactly british policy was but more systemically

since you mention the economy rather than just talk about the preventative elements now we have that pandemic is are we to expect pandemics because of capitalism we've now seen. how rapidly buyers can be transmitted around the world but the point is that this resides a very old debate about global health and one side of it was focus soon. is represented for instance the 19 twenties and thirties by the rockefeller foundation which was the largest financier of disease prevention of the global scale and within the british empire and the rockefeller paradigm was not areaway campaign sargon as pacific at the journal or as civic bacteria that. passage of the nearest side repeating

of it is something whole social medicine which said that attacking the pathogen alone without attacking the poverty of the population the lack of primary care would always be a put side of the whole and this is could not be more true than. today we see around the world and not only in court. whose public help pages. have been ravaged to realign its generation but in the united states and united kingdom were health care and public health authorities necessary to protect their peer attempt particularly out to the 2008. economic crisis since visible when most here in the trades east asia. has been an exception. just some except for is there is reasons for it in the

atlantic not always. will now see the price paid by conservative cisco policies in a new liberal economics so you really think that it's comparable thing in fact that of the 1918 spanish flu famously. spread through the trenches it's comparable to post 2008 infrastructural incapacitation after the bank bailout well there 918 example in ologies series hansen way but in 189090 new jersey people new world it died of insolence and more than 20 orian died in india and in western india as a result the food elite grain picture and other policies

exported massive amounts. in ingrained just feed the indian armies in the field through war. it was associated so food prices rose see people in india the same time there was a drought and a bad cholera epidemic suit had this huge party lation. who are people with compromised immune systems and i am argue that in fact today we have to recognize that some in immunological standpoint well nearly to humanity's in the u.k. the united states maybe a 5th of that aren't you lation. is immunologically compromised it's not just because cancers and diseases but also because of malnutrition co-exists seen

sections like hiv but in poor countries in sub-saharan africa and south asia and many parts of what merican. the majority of the population 75 percent. is in this position be kinda ripped through. and demi i should say and then the un special rapporteur who talked about increasing malnutrition up to $28.00 in britain he said it was a political decision the british government denied that completely michael stopping that more from mike davis after this prank. the. elder of the forward to talking to you all that technology should work for people. i robot must obey the orders given to a human being except where such orders to conflict with the 1st law show your

identification or should be very careful about artificial intelligence you had the point obviously is to place a trust rather than. you know with artificial intelligence where some of the. robot must protect its own existence it's just. a lot of questions what does it mean to be a conservative is coming from the conservative change with me to be put in. mind. for conservatives to. welcome back i'm still here with the american scholar who for cost to global is an

awfully transmitted pandemic more than a decade and a half before coronavirus mike davis you say that in the united states where more people are being killed than any other than the nation with the most deaths you believe the john bolton trumps and that former national security adviser is key to understanding why pandemic planning went so badly well bowman's decision was to reorganize and to make preparedness to the crack team that obama had it in ways he wanted everything focused on bio warfare but the larger phenomenon worse is trump's absolute obsession with destroying and dismantle like everything that. the previous president who didn't. put in place remember this regime into power down we destroyed the fordable here or obamacare

and it's johnson we tried to do things like the budget the centers for disease control. if you look at this internationally you see that the lead agencies traditionally lead agencies in disease have been marginalized and the view issue is you know to totally marginal who all this center for disease control in the united states has had a totally the marginal role in the european union where there exists a protocol. for countries to cooperate in responding to transnational disease or soon as totally new or 2 it has a driver ministration would say about a cat had many critics left and right and that has many critics as well.

of of course but the fundamental problem you are with the job you is sure is in structural this financial countries started pay their dues their w.h.o. has become totally dependent. on aid coming from a handful of governments and from the pharmaceutical industry and from a few philanthropy well let's just go to the big pharmaceutical companies because in this book you do talk about the role of private health insurance and big pharmaceutical companies as being maligned act as amidst this pandemic was that well the big pharmaceutical industries. which are always represented as being the main saved towards earth to disease the heroic innovators to earth new vaccines in the end drugs become anything but in the case united states and through $950.00 s.

. the leading force the development of antibiotics for instance was actually armed forces the u.s. army there is an important state rule in other words in the development of new pharmaceutical treatments put under big pharma. the the profits are made in developing heart medicines or serious fruit erectile disfunction and old men like like me not in developing a new generation of our vanities and above all not in an eye virals in vaccines which we have to develop may only be used to. once so big pharma his coat back massively on on research and spends far more on average tyson and it just doesn't take any leadership in developing. jugs and bank c.d.'s that are not highly profitable but absolutely necessary for

societies or home as you know they do deny that they say they're doing their best they're involved in a new super national initiative against coronavirus just very briefly i did mention private health insurance you see that a symbiotic with us in october of last year. the council of economic advisers issued a report on possible demick. it is already seen as is imminent in it they point out and advise the president that big pharma will be incapable of meeting. the challenge of a pandemic prove precisely the absence of a strong profit motive in developing a nano by rules and in back scenes this is would every big pharma says especially big knowledge by by the government or new cures might in egypt. critics of big

pharma private health care a court is it's lead to new reasons of americans tens of millions of americans without health care and that number is dramatically increased to poor is as people have lost their jobs in july base. health insurance and i think this sanders campaign really sent to skinny was absolutely correct to put the universal health care bridge at the forefront of the campaign and then is actually massive support of you may think it's a minority position. which if you're on the news but survey out a survey shows that or to 70 percent of americans just really want some form of single payer. health care which of course was of course by reject that he wanted but in the book you also talk about the c.d.c.

is this not just all private bad public the c.d.c. with such a reputation around the world for disease control in the united states and around the world they rejected the w h o developed covert testing kit that shocked you. yeah it is it is shocking they also had another alternative which was the other test kit insists it is centrally 3 separate ters and they could eliminate the flawed 3rd tears and so had a viable so why would they have done the. well that's a very interesting question they were defending true the problem with the tears was it was actually contamination in their own production lines in georgia the c.d.c. totally. loses and losing through 4 weeks of testing allowed the disease to grow exponentially so and marge who started off with

a handful of untested cases by the end of march it was increasing exponentially or over. there were several 100000 cases of its continued to urge to grow having that the c.d.c. is obviously we invite them on and there they say they're doing everything by the board who also actually talk about the fame thing happening with the immunity test i understand but the p.p.a. catastrophe you blame jared kushner and vice president pat. yes. and in many others earn including. tony fauci who has proved liberal americans in fact are majority americans because the earth the good doctor on the spar talking of

truth so long as it's now sit back at the end of 0 year it was showing people absolutely no need so where were mass and he later admitted he views same as because. the drastic shortage of protective gear through hospital were to decisions in nurses but the one you see lied to the american public and this initial publicity campaign to discourage people from going out and trying to buy on a mass is said to her long lasting in very bitter effect well thought out a fatty obviously a hero to liberal media played by brad pitt in saturday night live with the deny anything he did was against clinical procedure and best interests of the american people what do you make of the fact they don't no one seems to really be talking about something like factory farming we had dr rob wallace he was telling us about

the relationship between factory farming and coronavirus why do you think that's just not the subject of debate about when it comes to coronavirus in public discourse in nato nations. that of course is in part made in the largest port the the problem with the democratic party and the app measures it takes around issues of public health in the origination of the epidemic. diseases because instead the endemic threat can be kind of triangulated 2 to 3 things one is factory farming the organisation super sation of animals that maximizes. the probability of a viral evolution and transmission the 2nd is the those still destruction of the natural or it's there who traditionally isolated us from these enormous by

rumors of wars. and wild animal populations but the 3rd part and the most important has been the constant reduction of public will basically help budgets. across the world i mean many african countries only have a very some once of public service some why sierra leone not at all which is why the ball spread so rapidly a few years ago the in in western africa so each each point on their trying will have to see each side has to be. addressed and into we see that in reinvesting in basic healthcare. it's the absolute. a purty. we're going to see it. future appeared to

mix. in a sense repeat the pattern that seemed so not the solution a weapon the solution how so lie on each of these 3 points of in socialized a ripple to the destruction truck wars in this investment in basic you know just very briefly america since you are speaking to us from los angeles and here are the greatest chronicler of it history i better ask even though tens of thousands upon tens of thousands are being killed in your country by covert what you are made of in this incarnation of the civil rights struggle of black lives matter protests raging across the united states look after their only send use in-session to joe biden. tens of thousands of young activist ideal words we're basically lurked in the desert the.

toll the bully all you should do is going out there any people militant vote in this rebellious generations sense was saved by clients matter. and. it's been a. movement i can't really think of that there are in terms of its rapid development who could have we let the question basic fundamental question and it's. about all these thing in the need to please him. would have been put on international agenda if you know to look for those who are seen on once in impossible so the black lights natter protests in addition to reminding us that civil rights have been under relentless attack for the republicans. for 2 decades or to create a template for resistance and

a far broader scale one of the things that i've been most concerned is the rule of unions in. chancy developing its strategy around. new dangerous conditions this so-called this essential work force in the health care workers is absolutely outrageous the other day. a report from the nurses. united national nurses you know sounded one 3rd of the nurses nicklin 3 still lack access to protect the. gear they should add to the end i need on my. math so months later on stage months into. that damn memory that program unit is yet to be sold well donald trump says he's protecting the most vulnerable mike davis thank you that's ever one of your favorite shows of the last season we will be back with

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dares thinks. we dare to ask. the troubles congress to manage the relief package bill negotiated for months by little mike as he says the amount of cash expected to be handed to americans in need is just too small. congress found plenty of money from foreign countries lobbyists and special interests while sending the bare minimum to the american people. for these french government banks a build some introduce a so-called green passport under which movement restrictions will be placed on people who haven't been vaccinated against the odds. so israel's

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