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patty i'm max kaiser this is the kaiser report christmas eve special while we await santa nothing away for because the future is here now and it's glorious stacy the future is here now it's very positive we're talking to our soul and punk friend a pain bridge in this episode hey welcome to the kaiser report we definitely do not want a lump of coal in your christmas stocking this year and so we are talking to the man with a vision for solar punk future and wish the people who over a decentralized and sustainable economy so 1st 2020 has been a rough year so let's look at the positive developments let's start with graphene

supercapacitors you say are a breakthrough technology and battery technology that could revolutionary battery storage so elaborate on what this technology is who is the veldt being and what does that mean actually for the future of solar today getting very limited methods of storing energy because people don't see things like. match heat there's a much better material. we call them reorganizing the laser beam to store energy and because you think about it to be made colonies you could make material about energy storage system from the c.n.n. office cause light from yet. any storage system so you can do this like simplicity ready money such a absolution and use underutilized resources 'd so to conserve. this we have to be a problem not a huge stuart material in the sky we can use it's next to some of the energy and

that is a material use cheat sheet to access the carrier and. if i was grateful we should act in good and bad technology is really coming at a challenge there about 10 years i'm just not seat it's just that it's got out and gets around. right that's amazing so they're actually stuck in carbon out of the air when a sounds almost too good to be true hey if you can make you can make it a so your dogs graphene using a laser beam just using graphite but it was to get that column to make the grassy so if you graphite you can suppress it from the x. it i'm not using use of them so this results you have indians is otherwise seen as pollution you cannot turn to something much more useful so along with the problem of storage there is the issue of transporting solar energy tell us about the new pipeline from australia to singapore it is

a really wonderful demonstration just how far and she has come i mean right now the jury she won't 'd find that solar energy wind energy is the cheapest form of energy on the planet so you australia is really taking advantage of this and it will be a 10 game lot so how come in the northern territory a straight year and committed to get to singapore or have to allow some columbus long which was surprised 25 percent saying yes and he says that actually shows you that this is this technology to stay rich has as many limits about is this a battery system that so our politics for it for 400 people wow so of and if he. is chosen the so the limitations on solar and it's missy it's not really a problem when you fight local spec since i'm because of course it's coming down at down. right let's talk about the notion of solar punk because we often talk about bitcoin which is founded and created by the cypherpunks and cypherpunks write code

they don't blab they don't talk they don't say oh if this would be possible if only the government would help. souder things like that solar punk does the same thing it's it just like the big client space that is also involved with architecture and fashion and design and art as well and it's just it's just creating the future you want it's not asking for permission this is doing it so buckminster fuller's certainly his background is that he was an architect but he says he it he was the original solar ponk decades ago so let's pick up on that quote you said about pollution and and then how we might reimagine a future but mr fuller said pollution is nothing but the resources we are not harvesting we allow them to disperse because we've been ignorant of their value your thoughts on this and how does this relate to projects like we see now like the international space station we have a problem we can either despair and say let's not move forward we have too many

problems we can't we can't cope or we can say how do we as humans with our brilliant minds overcome these issues. yeah i mean we are on a spaceship today but the systems and processes. that the space station are you make sure that the suits know i'm heat voiced and waste is the impacts of waste on minimized by recycling recycling. at those for instance can be applied to us so we can extend the life span of us in this ations and so we can't explore ringback because we're going to be able to if we distort the information which hosts life on this planet so i rebooted the solar movement which buttons to. the side of. ok that is really around so you slice that what you see in harmony so you can extend our lifespan not just institute basis but instead as

a basis so that the vision of the future episode is very amazing to sign nature whereas i guess it's like using screens that were cheap in this kind of like a post-apocalyptic well actually saw her on treating this very much more you take it you know using clean energy systems with plants growing cities using tell me which are available to us staying east things not science fiction if they are such claims the social climate blitz you know this one company or california mother ship i when they could be my little poor dash at these auto crosses on petrol and christmas they need to laugh and they can transport caucus people across oceans with syrup empennage and stuff exists so let's see the extent to which it's about a well right so you know this of this war punk whether it's stamp on solar punk of course goes back to punk rock and what was punk rock that was doing yourself rock

just let's not wait around for the labels must not wait around for anything let's just learn 3 chords and. out there and it was quite successful because it was the right thing at the right time and so this idea of doing it yourself is being expanded now to you mentioned big cohen earlier people are becoming self sovereign they're almost creating countries unto themselves people are tapping into the sun with solar energy directly without going through intermediaries they're getting solar panels and they're tapping that energy directly it's all you know philosophically speaking we as a species have always tried to make some kind of contact with with a so lustral being of some time it seems i were really in the process of hacking nirvana you know we're on the cusp now we're going to be touching something as a species that we've all been thinking about for millennia but that we may 2021 may

be the year we actually see the face of god a. well i mean 20 twentieth's and shyness if anything 20 twentieth's shyness how do kate and i remember the existing status quo much pierce you need see huge volatility in stock markets very much more tech to mental than the big corporate it's been 2020 we've seen supply issues of fossil fuels an oil big round for some people associates 'd but yet you have tremendous growth in that new benjy set during the whole of the crisis we have seen. in cryptocurrency there are some exchange from from our perspective our customer base the people you see apart from the start up this year it produced 3 hours solar energy for awful people all around whoa doing this and those people become independent leaps without permission from the barracks or from an energy regulators produce our own switch

essentially awful. start producing the energy and then a pretty constant and this is a farming world from really money and every government bump and watching will be with a 2 way if you see our current series it's slated white or you know cost to be a bit about what was go where no it decentralised money decentralized and if you get anybody can just say it's in it which austin and that's just $1.00 of the future 20 twentieth's proving that feature it's not just needed it is actually happening right now paul tudor jones a multi-billionaire legendary hedge fund investor said about because that it was a bet on humanity and human ingenuity that humans can create a better world he said that as opposed to gold which is

a bet against humanity that you're going to keep your lump of gold are going to hide in your house and with their guns and protect yourself from the government so let's also. talk about that this decentralized grid because some people do say i'm going to go off grid and i'm going to be all on my own living my solitary life away from the hordes of this breaking down society but where is the. you know to me i see solar and solar punk movement as kind of like the cypherpunk movement a big point and decentralized there's a really there is individual sovereignty but there's are she powerful community so you know would describe what off grid means and why actually that's not something that you think is true well to be offered it isn't and if you can see your basically coming in and out there you have fuel america energy if you are through. this then that's a waste of energy somebody else you slice it so the future is actually act the

optimal system is where it's connected you can think of it like and then like in energy instead. supplies and consumers and troops so people produce and consume kristie and we connect together you know much more which will save system it is really distributing such as you have if you have one point failure you press the networks so in fact my point if there's one area network which isn't that they can ensure a cheap phone from everyone else missed very much like or 2 carts if you have one notice most of us who have. not noted that when that has been so so remote that's the solution. and say oh that's fine great we're going to throw in the commercial break and come back in a couple of minutes with a cambridge over there at the sun exchange dot com special christmas eves special as we await santa he's bringing in solar panels us air don't go away.

today the industry prefers to spend millions of euros in you know the 2 d. day regulations i will be sniffy is all about making money making profits in some of the corporations international markets import export do you imagine the number of chronic diseases that are out in every community today it is not due to new viruses or all new microbes in fact it's not true so it is due to environment. not going to say you know that moment all discipline of this sort of muscles obviously just accumulate could only come in to be seen in the to the side in the list that. did like to see the sky if the so food industry is successful it will

create more jobs it will create more value added it will create more growth so i don't see why we shouldn't also fight for the interest something into st god said that we are british and we want regulation i was in just any freedom behave zaniest penalty just fine. welcome back to the kaiser report i'm max kaiser yep christmas eve special cambridge oh there is the sun exchange dot com in south africa and then also in some bob way about was thinking about what you're saying a moment ago about the network and the grid and it's funny because here we are in one state in the north america in the united states and i don't have solar panels but i can buy solar panels on the south africa and zimbabwe so it's an exchange and

offset my energy costs and have it offset through solar as a matter of fact i can have all my monthly costs for all my utilities and my mortgage offset with solar in other countries so this seems like a remarkable shrinking of the globe through the network through the fact that all the basic building blocks of these networks the transit they the c.p.u. is the carrying capacity they transmission speeds and all the costs are dropping precipitously so everything is going toward this price point called free and so what i want to follow up on with you is you've actually got a bit of a philosophy of money itself can you speak on yes yes to the sun is what we're about great and you can eat based on abundance in financing silicon chip better seat for money but you still in silicon chip that's. right so you're right

you could argue a school in south africa big point for me and that's really wonderful ok should. this be it's intended speech and transfer. sunlight then that's pretty convincing. scots could read what we. i'm hearing this criticism about bitcoins energy needs i said as a trooper through work protocol but that misses one major major points if you can spend pretty currency on a so count on that amount of energy to create that bitcoins pay back through $4.00 times as much energy use while so power produced it but that big point still exists this principle of philosophy of money is going to work and spend then the found only increases on some one person to another so really there's not a limit to how much solar power you can finance if you slice it going it's

incredible konami explained it where this is the place where the currency increases on the music that are really the least to transform in the world and out so our planet's combining these 2 critical technology into one is the ultimate singularity . right and i do want to mention that the sun exchange dot com is sponsors the orange fell podcast every sunday so i must mention that and thank you for doing that because our audience definitely does love you but speaking on this you know the energy use of bitcoin one of the biggest providers of mining rigs and in america and texas is a friend of ours jesse pelton and he runs hollow ranch and he tweeted about this when he was asked about 'd on twitter if there was any sort of you know expert on the alliance between renewable energy and between mining and he said about his

massive operations in texas hoddle ranch build infrastructure in west texas to access cheap wind power and provide the grid flexible capacity bequeathing data centers don't have up time requirements and can act as load balancer like aluminum smelters critical for grids with high renewal penetration so what is your response to that amazing insight and while i said accurate i mean the elites who are leading solar wind energy on america the cheapest energy on the planet so the point mining is a race to fish and you have access to low lowest cost and actually then renewable energy is that we also owe you anything cheap. energy is surplus so that energy to be able to be put to work so you right now are so plump that it's maxed out charging system work a winter when the company wants your. people. convert. to

a point where you say that you see in spouting. it really isn't the solution we'd like to be better if it's a big one might call it quits i was so out bumps rowing axis because theoretically you could transfer the energy around for the critic artsy yeah they did this is amazing on the topic of hacking nirvana you know i think we're as i said in 2021 we may see the face of god now let us move on to some other interesting technology here aurora renewable energy n u v sequestration this technology captures solar without direct sunlight right this device can absorb u.v. light and transform it into visible light and energy. what's going on here it sounds kind of incredible. yeah this is a great material can be manufactured using plug. ins and other commitments

it into a type of solar panel that commits 000 trip wire that might i mean you will so. what's that this is spectrum it's going to war in the event and he likes to come through clouds and in our house you get something out of this energy that he stepped or is on the side of the way to bet you say complete not serious can be used to oh some white people cloudy days which is something you can put on windows it's the only point in gains so it wouldn't consult use the electricity even if they go very cool. resorts they just say i who this is so it's just to say there's an end it's an elevator in going from out space to pick up on it's. all right let's talk and get into these numbers aerobat sounds like an amazing development and getting back to buckminster fuller's because you did the math on this so apparently the sun is

a sun produces about 384 trillion terawatt hours a year of energy versus our consumption here on earth of about 20000 terawatt hours a year so if if in fact these technologies are becoming frictionless and just getting all those terawatt hours without any intermediaries and converting it directly into a big point at a rate that enhanced at incredible leverage you're saying that the costs for energy are negative. this is getting back to one of your maxims and that is that we're entering a period of transition from a finite energy to unlimited money to unlimited energy and finite money i really love this idea can you go into a little bit. yeah that's really what was going on you got socialized banks printing out the on current c n

n money brings up infinite money sense i'm interested in this based on thought it was also gives me a bus attack this way how to find out why the current seat of increase about a good time and harnessing in and its people which only decreases in cost it like because it's a commodity you're working out in australia at that building a fortune 50 megawatt hour battery system. to test every one of those 3 there so you can change all of those on that moment on one of them is most of us great and this is just. generates that's really the solution here it's no wonder. so well it does require sewer systems. and that's why things like the queen won't it actually prove what works when it so that's one thing you color our. chance to get like sat on use the systems and use for. talk

ways in a more we're going to get networks and motivations really to transform trust the future in terms of transforming the future i want to go back to something you said because it reminds me of something that we had a guest here bob rath who was a he's a theoretical physicist worked at cern and he 1st saw he disagrees if there's any such notion as unlimited energy but by the human mind he said it's practically unlimited obviously physicists are absolute in their terms but he did say you know because in the the beauty of bitcoin and my big question is amazing is that it monetizes energy as a converts energy into a unit of account and so this goes hand in hand with the development in the battery technologies because it is a way to store you can use your solar panels to store the energy you could store the energy in the value that is bit coin and then use it later if you know with the

load capacity available so i think that's kind of it's an interesting thing if you want to comment on that but also these solar blimps like what does that future look like because i love that idea i love the idea that you can stay in a blimp for a year and float around the world and go travel and see all sorts of stuff. and again it's seems like it's it's it's something that will be available to all like that the cost because so much of the cost of flying a jet plane is about it's you know just getting off earth like being able to lift off the ground a gravity fight gravity so combine those 2 together. so the one thing that is limitless is the human imagination i was if you know much nation anything valid or not and the coin is entirely based on perception of it so this one it seems that everybody you want it or any it's miletus can theoretically finance unlimited

amounts of energy systems which can be converted to energy transferred around both in the form of critic can't see so that's that's the limit the suspect that's a problem. and i'm what we do so we're going to utilize be going to build a new energy system and that would be the best use case imaginable and can't cheat sites on exchange and then likewise in the local aviation many people criticise comments around let electric acra you know literally take off because of the wingspan the future radiation just listening to beat existing actor off they can be in form lips so you'll be ok with literacy microbiome house and 100 on it systems on board so you. were included in the air well so you feel in the air and you can live on it i don't really see the reason why much in from one constant to another

a matter of hours discomfit the weekends where you could take a couple of days to get from one country to another in silence with amazing peace and just being so close there having a group of restaurants and gyms on and on a little bit to connect to the east that check your current price from sky walk or check what the passage especially if you want to see and not chasing to get back into some narrow drawing. environments that's so important so cheap by printing about creating your own work to tell them what you want to see yeah the blob sounds better to me than they have let's say virgin galactic i know you're going to be on the verge of glad that you're on though. less to take that ship into space but had a choice i'd rather be in a blimp you know and floating around for a year or 2 for political and you know you that i. like to be a bit i'll see the point to the point that dissipates in space truck with. interest

. and money into things we want to see there we won't vote that industry so yes free space flight for improving our whenever i'm not going to space yeah no i mean if i want to you know plant a satellite in space i would definitely have to take a rocket but you know i'm more into the laser stuff you know back in the seventy's and eighty's during the development of the nickel or atomic energy energy industry and here to phrase back then saying this is so fission that it's too cheap to meter you know this was a big phrase back then tomic energy too cheap to meter and of course that proved to be false but what you're talking about it does almost sound like as too cheap to meter solar and wind we're getting into this phase where energy costs are approaching 0 a. meter energy is expensive and getting ever more expensive so very cheap is cheap and getting cheaper and so you don't be so cheap that we can just be better to wait

for he could have stopped so all right awesome cameras thanks for being on the christmas eve kaiser reports special. all right and that's going to do it for this episode of kaiser report with me back kaiser and stacey everett like this like our guest of cambridge of the stock exchange dot com that's all next time by all. people. a lot of questions what does it mean to be a conservative is gone from the conservative and he change what he means to be a conservative issue keep in mind. for conservatives.

thank. you we need new world where industry doesn't want any regulation they just want. put the products on the market. we need a regulation so we don't do. crazy things because maybe sometimes we would do crazy things i don't know but i'll accept that we have regulation we want to regulation i was in the. industry don't behave when you spin all to that's why. i always say that the industry makes money of course it does if the industry did not make money how many people would be out of work. or sort of the last answer in the public interest in the public safe.