in a new round of clemency don't trump paul adams full mana for both convicted us part of the russian probe. is the follow up of the president's son in law. will close the president also vetoes the u.s. defense bill run against unconstitutional. for a couple of bucks a controversial so-called green passports allowing travel and other activities to be allowed for people but someone to be. critics say that everyone else into 2nd time boston citizens. what does that mean to be a conservative today. neil harvey will be in the studio to bring you the morning

news rundown look forward to seeing you with us then. hello and welcome the ground stop where all things are considered i'm purely about a lot of questions what does it mean to be a conservative today is donald trump a conservative and did he change what it means to be a conservative what about the issue of clowns and finally what does it take for conservatives to win.

these issues and more i'm joined by my guest and a cop. i mean bill she is a newsmax insider as well as contributor to the washington examiner and in toronto we have arthur who wrote he is editor at large and being libertarian dot com all right cross not going to take that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it ok let's go to hunting in greenville in my introduction to ask the question what does it mean to be a conservative today in your mind what does it mean to be a conservative and let's keep in mind the true presidency and the reason general election go ahead well in my mind it means to be a conservative what it's always meant is that we are working to conserve the classical liberal values our country was founded a fine but i think there's a role fracture within conservatism these days i think trump has increased that fracture i think it was a system before he actually came into office but it has become deeper and more visible and i think that there are a lot of conservatives who want to move that movement into the action that he was mostly focusing on which has a lot more nationalism involved and isn't always as attached to our classical

liberal values as i would like to see the movement attached to it so i think it'll be interesting to see where conservatism goes in the next couple of years i don't think there's a solid answer for where it ends up right now there's there's sort of a battle to be fought. so let me taking away for when you just said there you i guess i can read that into that is that true did not have a positive impact on conservatism. it during his time in office well i guess it depends on the perspective you're looking at it from from my opinion you know as someone who is really concerned with free market values with individual liberty with limiting the government i didn't see a lot of that the trump presidency that being said i do think for people who are more concerned with issues surrounding the culture or surrounding the popularity of the movement surrounding tracting and more diverse population to the movement i think there were some positive takeaways that you could credit to him and i and i think that those are interesting and that's why i think i say there's a battle to be fought because there's

a lot of new blood that he brought into conservatism there's a lot of people been pushed out because of him and consider it his them and so if those people come back if those new people stay if there's going to have to be a turf war because i don't think they're fighting for the same ideology largely oh i don't think they are and i know that point you and i will definitely agree your own to live in the same question to you i mean a how has changed conservatives in america if at all and if it is a good or is it for the worse go ahead so i do think that he definitely changed and served as america. i think that up until trauma you had a sort of conservative death definitely since bush one bush 2 you had a certain services and that was very focused on. global expansion and very focused on what i guess would be termed neo conservatism. and even from from bush to obama to you to trump you have the american people voting for someone who's going to stop global expansion stop this kind of focus on yeah exterior and focus more at home

rebuild infrastructure you know focus on programs at home so i think that he kind of gave the people what they wanted he gave a lot of the tea partiers particularly and conservatives what they wanted what they're looking for in a conservative president. i think even further though he you know he kind of reinspired. kind of talked about how the saying there with the national ism i think he did reinspire nationals in the united states which was kind of waning there was a progressive push to kind of nationalism the same place as racism or somebody other things as something evil or something that you shouldn't be doing this if we were in a global world now nations are a thing of the past and i think that that every country has kind of recognize there's there's there's a balance there to be had i think kind of brought us back and that balance ok well that's kind of interesting i mean i mean because you know we went with great power politics in every country you know things of themselves 1st ok and i would tend to

agree with the it was that you know when you look at look at trade deal since the end of the 2nd world war a world that always think bring people into the western alliance and the united states pick up the slack well you do that for you know 567 decades it's ends up being quite costly ok and the working class i want to talk about that later in the program they're the ones that we're acutely aware of the most and that's why they voted for him and voted for him twice ok and i mean it when i look when i look at conservatives mino there's obviously a very least since ronald reagan a very strong libertarian element within conservatism it's called fusion which i have my very strong doubts about but it seems to me that in the way a lot of traditional conservatives they're they're basically willing to fight the culture wars ok and not really look at. you know looking at reagan economics i don't think it worked it didn't work for them and that's majority of people for

reasons that are there to say here i mean. globalism x. exports or jobs ok and then working working people revolted against that so is it really just about culture wars because that's what really gets all the news all the time is you know how you fall in the culture wars which you know that gets everyone's blood up and down the blue checks get really excited. but it didn't really change the condition of the bast majority of the people that identify as being conservative and their material existence go ahead well i think that's a really great question and i think at the end of the day we should be focusing on the economics because that is what people vote on that is why we saw so many working class people vote for him i happen to think he's dead wrong on economics though i don't think that the reason we've seen jobs leave this country have as much to do with trade deals or have as much to do with many of the other things that we saw him point towards immigration and other things of that nature rather i think they had a lot more to do with our actual economic policies here in this country which are pretty atrocious we have for many many years been making it

a terrible business climate we've been raising our corporate tax rates we've been over regulating many many industries we have been pushing companies out because we've made it too expensive to do business here and that is what needs to be targeted and we actually see that many of the european countries are often pointed to as socialist countries have better free market economies than we do and actually ranked higher than us on the freedom and back scale and i think that that is because if you look at what they did starting the 1990 s. they reversed course they moved back from their socialist policies they started removing regulations they started increasing trade they started making it easier to get a job and to work and to make good pay that's what our focus should be on and i think that trans policies while well intended have missed the mark in that regard and i think had we seen another 4 years of trump seance coronavirus and the economic situation that that amplified we would have started to sell some of the effects of those policies that he was pushing around his trade well are the right way to find

our way i don't see a big difference between republicans and democrats whatsoever. i don't really see that where the free market is i mean both parties and trump never really challenge corporate america as a matter of fact and much to my chagrin every time he said we'll look at the high stock market meaning the. does that have to do with the average person it doesn't it all in an almost kind of insulting you know because oh well you're rich friends are doing really well wonderful ok but what about us ok and i think that it has less to do with free markets and regulation then basically i mean the the it was the 1st stimulus package that went through i mean you checked up all your the richest people in the world got checked out 1st with concierge service ok that's nothing to do with free trade not at all ok it means you're too big to fail go ahead. i think that's going to issue for a long time i think actually i think a lot of the issues that face america and kind of the western world come down to

that you have governments now that answer more to special interests or globalist organizations than they do to their own publics and kind of the voting public is more of an as we can with the money to support us that's our stamp of approval technically but when you look at the policy very little of it is actually only i know this would actually benefit a huge number of people it's really more of this make me look good or this is for my special interests. and i think that's where we get to the root problem and the root of the trump phenomenon which was the idea that this guy is not someone who's been there for 40 years or for 60 years or whatever it is who is bought out and you know completely what's the word. he owes his his entire career to someone else this is someone who potentially could actually just an act all see that does good for us and i think even on the on the free trade part. you know i'm on the economics expert but from what i do know yeah you do want free trade you don't want free markets sure absolutely you know what i wanted to but it is over what you want

we have is too much monopoly control ok and no one you know the challenge that no one wants to challenge that it is america through given protections i mean look at the tech companies they're given amazing cut out that has nothing to do that is actually anti free market go ahead and i think i think this is the. the point that more libertarians and serves really need to focus on because it's a case where you do have a socialism for kind of a certain class of people or certain group of people that are too big to fail and the government regulations about it is government involvement it's unholy alliance between corporatism and government that is and this is where actually what's interesting is i think in some ways the left got this right with their complaint of the one percent but then they've kind of gone too far with it and in some ways the right has gone this wrong with their with kind of throwing this unholy alliance of government and corporate into the idea of it's

a free market which it's not. like you said it and i thought it was an m.b.a. with that ad i just want to say i agree with everything he said and i absolutely say that the primary focus for us is people on the right as as conservatives as libertarians needs to be on cronyism because it is an abundance and we have so many people in this country that are mad at the ramifications of cronyism and so they're demanding a new system right they blame capitalism because they think that this is how capitalism functions when really this is a government functions when it's involved in market in stars giving special favors and special deals to their bodies and it's wrong it's not free markets it is cronyism it's corrupt and it hurts people and i think that that's in that we should be able to form really big broad coalitions on even including people on the left because if you can help them understand why the things that they dislike what actually was i that this is exactly what i've been proposing for a long time you know i mean that they think the you know when the 1st stimulus you know all of the all of the super rich get were taken care of even if they didn't even need the money when that an echo of 2008 and that really angered me and then

you tell tens of millions of people that you can't work you can't work you have to stay home all the politicians are being paid they were from their office you know and and that's when and this were more people on the right disagree with me and that's when you need to use the power of this state. because if you tell people they can't work then you have to get it least make an attempt to help them ok to get through this tough patch that we're going through because everyone else is doing fine it's this is what really irritates a lot of people and we'll i guess we'll find out how much of an impact i had on this election because the dog tell you personally i have no idea what happened in this past election and they don't know we're going to know what happened for a very long time but these these are you know it we're rapidly running on time for the 1st part of the program but i want to in the 2nd part of the program i want to talk about the issue of class and how this plays into conservatism because i think

this is an open lane that i think the conservatives chaptered think about more seriously and we have to worry about all of the money that's in politics because you know if we take if we start looking at the needs of the working class they will vote republican and we know that for a fact because. the working class did support at least that's what they were told they were going to jump in here we're going to have a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on conservatism state authority. and she's moving into that was it just that in japanese and i. don't mind it just by commision on that. along to the mat coming out of. the map. for. the economy to have more than a filibuster. that. i

don't know how do you know last. time. around to. look at what's going on. and. i'm thinking. how can they go missing out on the out. to date industry prefers to spend millions of euros you know the 2 d. daily conditions will be sniffy all about making money making profits in some of the corporations international markets import export do you imagine the number of printing diseases that are in every community today it is no due to new viruses or

all new microbes that is not true so it is due to. their momentum to supply the. accumulate could only come in to see them to be sad. if the so food industry is successful it will create more jobs it will create more value added it will create more growth so i don't see why we shouldn't also fight for the interest something in history products of the free origination we want regulation i was interest in the freedom behave zinnias penalty just fine. welcome back to crossfire where all things are considered i'm peter remind you we're talking about what it means to be a conservative today. i'm

going to go back to him and hit in the election results that we've been given number one trump and. got over 10000000 more votes and when you look at the the people in voted for maids it surprised a lot of the left wing pundits they probably want to admit it but more. it's more brown people more even women. voted for donald trump and a lot of these people come from the working class is this an opportunity for republicans specifically to make a more appealing case for working people because they the democrats are the party of big media hollywood and the very very poor i mean they make sure that they have a voting base that are there or that look for dependency on the government but working people just want to work ok is this an opportunity for the republicans to kind of rethink their the way they approach the electorate yeah absolutely peter

and i think that we're seeing a real shift in the parties right now in this country and have been saying that chef since about 2012 and you know in the party shift we'll look back in 2 decades and say oh this is what was happening then when you're in the midst of a kind of feel crazy but what we're seeing is we are seeing a large amount of people disinterested with the democrat party right like they've been making their case they've built the party they currently have in the 1960 s. so they've been out here with these policies and these ideas and with the same base for you know 4 or 5 decades and people are fed up they are kind of hitting this point they're saying you know what you guys actually never come through you keep saying you're for the working class you keep saying you're for us you keep saying you're going to improve these things and you don't actually do it and so there's a i think there is a real openness to look at other ideas and to move directions and and i think to some extent you see that on the right as well just not as in large numbers i think we're going to continue seeing some migration between both parties but i certainly think there's a case to be made within republicanism for why these ideas work for everybody and they do it right if we really get it right if we really get down to

a true free market capitalism if we get the government out of the way if we actually let people work then really cool things can happen we've seen them happen in our country before we've seen amazing wealth creation and a vacation we've seen great progress we've seen quality of life increase and so i think that the door's wide open and i'm excited to see who steps through it what kind of leaders might emerge. from that's i'm curious to see specifically you know as somebody who is more on the libertarian end of the conservative movement i'd like to see some people like grandpa continue to gain prominence and make this case and and i think that i find there's real you know futile soul soil to do that and that we could really create a new coalition what about josh knowing i hate josh ali i think i think i could say ok but i got nothing they don't matter don't actually manage it i think josh only is a very prominent prospect for the republican party because i think he's willing to look reshuffle the deck and look at things afresh i'm just putting that out there

because i actually have a lot of bad converge on charlie and bernie sanders the 2 senators and then the 98 hour cowards they just didn't want to do anything and i think it is absolutely shameful and i appreciate what just if they have bernie sanders ok but to be honest with you arthur what do you what do you think about that because when you you think logic would kind of dictate you know when you look at the blue states that's where the working class are clobbered the most but they vote lou i mean isn't this an opportunity to kind of you know go into that lane that no one is in and just say and i mean if i would have been trump during the campaign because i thought he ran an awful campaign awful and so did the biden people that the american people deserve much better ok but if i had been donald trump i would have taken the ball the pope pope and just said i will keep you whole and if the republicans are behind me then i won't support you in this campaign because when you look at the campaign coming up in georgia every single conservative should be terrified of you know why

because people voted for trump they didn't vote for republicans they voted for trump ok and they and you know the people around trum a lot of them libertarian excuse me hanna gave him very bad advice during a time libertarian and hang on during a time when he needed to be an f.d.r. and he didn't do it or. i think there's 2 points of this i think the 1st point is. on the one hand trump seems almost torn like he has the instincts that had he gone with them i think you would have been 10 times better than he did done 10 times better than he did but i think he's been torn by whatever out of his advice that i'm not part of his inner circle obviously but for some reason you seem to be 2nd guessing and i was on corona that was on different policies later as a lot of stuff this last year and a half or so leading up to the election that. seemed like he wasn't trump and on the other hand i think the one thing that trump did. to be honest i

don't think the republican party would have won another election we saw for a long long time had not been for trump i think that he kind of brought in something that was even more than just the economics economics is important i mean every need to pay their bills but he brought in some like almost a feeling of the past and i mean this in a good way where it was like you know what we can belong to something we can belong to this country and this is a great country and it's ok to love it and so kate to love the constitution and the values and principles it's founded on so people love these things and that and everyone here if you're if you're in this country and you're american you belong to this and we can rally around that and i think that that inspired a lot of people and that's why you have these election results that are better than romney or mccain or you know any use as it came before and i think how the republican party gone the way that they were going with romney and mccain i think it would have just been a diet of just another day $2620.00 and i mean you know you know it no matter what

happens to be the republican party is always going to be jeb bush ok and if you if you push against it like trump did they are going to abandon you with some notable exceptions and media the republican party did not back donald trump it was the base that did it in spite of the party either ship and i'm and i find it very very frustrating because it's one of these weird things happen at one of these real we go weird things because in the republican party is popular because of donald trump not because of the other luminaries in the party at all they're not particularly popular and for very good reason i mean they're not charisma i think they they we tax cut do you like rate the you regulate done our work is done we're going home that's all they say and that doesn't resonate with working people they say well what about us you know just says you know the health care for all is

popular very popular with trump. supporters though the republican leadership doesn't want to recognize that but it's an absolute fact it does because it's popular doesn't mean we do it socialism is popular and i don't want to try that out like that's not a case to me then you know you want to stop the conversation ok you say single payer ok if these scare tactics i think people are tired of and i want to scare not have any hope of him a lot of republican supporters a lot of trauma supporters don't say that they say we'd like some more health care can you help thank you thank you and so go vote for the democrats because they've been offering that free piggy bank of taxpayer dollars for agger and what i think on obamacare another corporate deal another corporate thing ok and that's all any of it will ever be because that's how serious while people get different talking points behind the scenes but these parties operate at virtually the exact same manner they're always enriching themselves they're always enriching their buddies and any massive piece of legislation you get through congress is going to look like that until you get serious and fix the money and politics so that's that's just

kind of besides the point that doesn't really matter and whether or not i think you're not a deal or you're saying you're not to be saying is that it's a broken politics is that you can't do anything about it and that you know you can focus in on the wrong things and you can do something about it but that's not what we're fighting about we're largely fighting about the system systemic symptoms to years 2 years all of the government was is everything ok and what did they do they didn't even do infrastructure ok they did a tax cut do you know trump's presidency it was that is lowest point his popularity was at its lowest point when they passed a tax cut now that's good for rich people ok fine ok i don't begrudge them but it didn't it didn't impact the working class voters ok and so and then if you look if you look you know i go to are there here is that when it was most popular among republicans during the impeachment ok when he was being impeached he. the most

popular at the highest point there ok well what i'm trying to get at is that if trump in been much more imaginative in using his popularity and his coattails you could have gotten something but he didn't push health care reform which he said he would during the campaign and he didn't do anything about infrastructure which i think would have been the most important legacy of his presidency and it will it will it's a footnote now go ahead i think i think one of the things to keep in mind too is if you this is the thing when you vote in an outsider is everything's up hell right this is a big club as as had i was saying government especially united states but everyone westmoreland's a big club and if you're an outsider you're not one of the boys and so it's going to be a struggle to get anything done especially trying to do anything that's different that's not you know about the tide a little bit but i think too to the point you were saying earlier and to what hannah was saying as well i think for conservatives particularly libertarians and

anyone who kind of loves freedom i think it's time now to take the old talking points in the old kind of ways of doing things maybe not toss them out but maybe reimagine them because even let's take health care for example i'm canadian i have canadian health care and you know to be very frank it is nice to not worry about. my you know pay my bill i have i have a home there too i don't you think about health care do you think about it i really don't but don't you think there's a there's a downside to this that we kind of found out during this virus where when the government owns your health care all the some the government gets to dictate things to you and you don't have that choice now sadly the us doesn't have a whole lot of choice either 0 you just kind of have a bad mix of both right but when you have those options when you have you know maybe there's some sort of protected insurance that can be put out there that's made so that i don't know i'm not going to pretend to come up with

a policy right now that you said you said or heard just said regards or you said let's try to reimagine and i think that's the best place to start but that's the best place to start and take you know the these assumptions that are been you know carved into stone and rethink them you know we're rapidly running out of time and would you. i suppose you do not want to see donald trump run again in 2024 i don't but i do agree with are there i think that we need to come up with better solutions i think the reason you see people asking for single payer health care is because nobody has said here's an alternate that's better and it could work better than that and that needs to happen i have a really big bone to pick with people on the right of conscience a no no no no no to suggestions of policies on the left and then never come up with their own ideas that's quite frustrating when you need to see people step into that but i will leave you with this donald trump lost most of the swing states by a margin and that was less than the number of libertarian votes in that state so had he done more to reach out to libertarian voters like myself you could be seen

as president right now that is the 1st time i've heard that and that's absolutely fascinating. i'm still trying to figure out what actually happened in the election but. but i have no doubt that we'll be looking forward to a ministration ok that's all the time we have here i want to thank my guests in greenville an interrupt i want to thank our viewers for watching us here on. you see him next time and remember. television some demonstrators right now the propaganda machine. is the ones who rush. to. colin

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