patty i'm max kaiser this is the kaiser report christmas eve special while we await santa nothing away for because the future is here now and it's glorious stacie the future is here now it's very positive we're talking to our solar punk friend a pale bridge in this episode hey welcome to the kaiser report we definitely do not want a lump of coal in your christmas stocking this year and so we are talking to the man with a vision for solar punk future and wish the people who over a decentralized and sustainable economy so 1st 2020 has been a rough year so let's look at the positive developments let's start with graphene

supercapacitors you say are a breakthrough technology and battery technology that could revolutionary battery storage so elaborate on what this technology is who is developing and what does that mean actually for the future of solar today getting very limited methods of storing energy because people don't like. and match heat there's a much better material. we call them reorganizing the laser beam to store energy and because you think about it to be made colonies you could make a material that energy storage system from the c.n.n. office costs money from yet. any storage system so you can do this like solicit ready money such faith absolution and use underutilized resources 'd so to conserve. it doesn't have to be a problem not a huge stuart material in the sky we just snaps through some of the energy and that

is a material cheat sheet to access the theory and if i were great you should act in good and bad which is really coming up a chair. i'm just up seat but it's got out and it's around. right that's amazing so they're actually sucking carbon out of the air i mean it sounds almost too good to be true hey if you can make you can make it a so he does graphene using a laser beat just using graphite but it was to get not caught on to make the grassy so if you graphite you can sequester from the exit i'm not using use of them so this results in guns oh i see this pollution you cannot turn to something much more useful so along with the problem of storage there is the issue of transporting solar energy tell us about the new pipeline from australia to singapore it is

a really wonderful demonstration just how far and she has come i mean right now the jury she won't 'd find that solar energy when it is the cheapest form of energy on the planet so you australia is really taking advantage of this and it's going to be a 10 game lot so how come in the winter to be australia and connecticut singapore will have to allow some climates won't which was a proud 25 percent saying yes and he actually shows you this technology to scale it which has as many limits about is this a battery system that so our politics for it for 400 people wow so of and if he. is chosen the so the limitations on solar and it's missy it's not out of the menu quite local spec since i'm because the virus is coming down at down. right let's talk about the notion of solar punk because we often talk about bitcoin which is

founded and created by the cypherpunks and cypherpunks write code they don't blab they don't talk they don't say oh if this would be possible if only the government would help us out or things like that solar punk does the same thing it's it just like the big client space it is also involved with architecture and fashion and design and arts as well and it's. just it's just creating the future you want it's not asking for permission this is doing it so buckminster fuller's certainly his background is that he was an architect but he says he it he was the original solar pong decades ago so let's pick up on that quote you said about pollution and and then how we might reimagine a future but mr fuller said pollution is nothing but the resources we are not harvesting we allow them to disperse because we've been ignorant of their value your thoughts on this and how does this relate to projects like we see now like the international space station we have

a problem we can either despair and say let's not move forward we have too many problems we can't we can't cope or we can say how do we as humans with our brilliant minds overcome these issues. yeah i mean we are on a spaceship today but the systems and processes. and space station are you make shape suits no i'm pete voiced and waste is the impacts of waste on minimize part recycling recycling will be at those for instance can be applied to us so we can extend the life span of us in this ations and so we can't explore ringback because we're going to be able to if we distort the information which hosts life on this planet so i rebooted the solar movement which buttons to. the side of. ok that is really around so you spice that what you see in harmony so you can extend our lifespan not just institute basis but instead as

a basis so that the vision of the future episode is very beautiful amazing to sign nature. is like using pictorial that what she was kind of like post-apocalyptic when i actually saw her on treaties very much more utopian you know using clean energy systems plants growing cities using tell me which are available to us staying east things not science fiction there that are such claims the social climate lips you know this one company or california mother ship i when they could be my little poor dash at these auto crosses on petrol and christmas to get me to laugh and it can transform caucus people across oceans with syrup empennage and the stuff exists so let's see the extent to which it's about a well right so you know the use of this were punk whether it stand punk soul or punk of course goes back to punk rock and what was punk rock that was doing

yourself rock just let's not wait around for the labels must not wait around for anything let's just learn 3 chords and. go out there and it was quite successful because it was the right thing at the right time and so this idea of doing it yourself is being expanded now to you mentioned big cohen earlier people are becoming self sovereign they're almost creating countries unto themselves people are tapping into the sun with solar energy directly without going through intermediaries they're getting solar panels and they're tapping that energy directly it's all you know philosophically speaking we as a species have always tried to make some kind of contact with with a so lustral being of some time it seems that were really in the process of hacking nirvana you know we're on the cusp now we're going to be touching something as

a species that we've all been thinking about for millennia but that we may 2021 may be the year we actually see the face of god a. well i mean 20 twentieth's and and shyness feet if anything funny about his shyness how he came to and rather than the existing status quo much bierce there you see huge volatility in stock markets very much more attachment to them to be corporate it's been 2020 we've seen supply issues of fossil fuels an oil big drought for central associates 'd but yet it has tremendous growth in that new benjy set during the whole of the crisis we have seen. in cryptocurrency there are some exchange from from our perspective our customer base people using up and start work this year it produced 3 hours solar energy for a profit from people all around whoa doing this and those people you know the independent leaps without permission from barracks or from an energy regulators

produce our own switch essentially awful. start using clean energy and i think pretty constant and this is a phony well from really money and every government comp and watching will be which way is you see our current series it's slated white or your cost to be a bit about will risk go where no it decentralised money decent choice and if you get anybody can just get to it which austin and that's just $1.00 of the future 20 twentieth's proof that the church it's not just needed it is actually happening right now paul tudor jones a multi-billionaire legendary hedge fund investor said about because that it was a bet on humanity and human ingenuity that humans can create a better world he said that as opposed to gold which is

a bet against humanity that you're going to keep your lump of gold going to hide in your house and with your guns and protect yourself from the government so let's also. talk about that this decentralized grid because some people do say i'm going to go off grid and i'm going to be all on my own living my solitary life away from the hordes of this breaking down society but where is the. you know to me i see solar and solar punk movement as kind of like the cypherpunk movement a big point and decentralized there's a really there is individual sovereignty but this are she powerful community so you know would you describe what off grid means and why actually that's not something that you think is true well to be offered it isn't and if you can see your base people coming in and out there you have fewer american energy if you are through. this then that's a waste of energy somebody else you slice it so the futures actually are the

ultimate system where it's connected you can think of it like and then it's like an energy instant so your supplies and consumers and cruciatus people are produced and consumed kristie i mean we connect together you know much more which will save system it is really distributing the such as you have if you have one point failure you press the networks so in fact my point if there's one area network which isn't that they can ensure a cheap phone from everyone else missed very much like they're to carps if you have one notice most throughout their network that now you can and. when. it's been so so remote that's the solution. and say oh that's fine great we're going to throw in the commercial break and come back in a couple of minutes with a cambridge over there at the sun exchange dot com special christmas eves special as we await santa he's bringing in solar panels us air don't go away.

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cambridge oh there is the sun exchange dot com in south africa and then also in some bob way about was thinking about what you're saying a moment ago about the network and the grid and it's funny because here we are in one state in the north america in the united states and i don't have solar panels but i can buy solar panels on the south africa and zimbabwe so it's an exchange and offset my energy costs and have it offset through solar as a matter of fact i can have all my monthly costs for all my utilities and my mortgage offset with solar in other countries so this seems like a remarkable shrinking of the globe through the network through the fact that all the basic building blocks of these networks the transit they the c.p.u. is the carrying capacity a transmission speeds and all the costs are dropping precipitously so everything is

going toward this price point called free and so what i want to follow up on with you is you've actually got a bit of a philosophy of money itself can you speak on the yes yes from the sun is what we're about great and you can eat based on abundance in financing silicon chip spectrum from money but you still in silicon chip that's. right so you're right you could argue a school in south africa big point for me and that's really wonderful ok should. this be it's intended speech and transfer. sunlight then that's pretty convincing. scots could read what we. from here is criticism about bitcoins energy needs i said as a true for work protocol but that is missing one major major points if you can

spend pretty currency on a so count on that amount of energy to create that bitcoins pay back 4 times as much as you can produce while so powerful produce it but that big point still exists this principle of philosophy of money is going to work and spent then the fountain only increases awesome one person to another so really there's not a limit to how much solar power we can finance if you slice it going it's incredible nomics find it where it's at the place where the currency increases on what we can use it that and really be used to transform the well and suck it out so that our planet's combining credit and technology into one is the ultimate singularity. right and i do want to mention that the sun exchange dot com is sponsors the orange fell podcast every sunday so i must mention that and thank you for doing that because our audience definitely does love you but speaking on this

you know the energy use of bitcoin one of the biggest providers of mining rigs and in america and texas is a friend of ours jesse pelton and he runs hollow ranch and he tweeted about this when he was asked about 'd on twitter if there was any sort of you know expert on the alliance between renewable energy and between mining and he said about his massive operations in texas hoddle ranch build infrastructure in west texas to access cheap wind power and provide the grid flexible capacity because data centers don't have up time requirements and can act as load balancer is like aluminum smelters critical for grids with high renewable penetration so what is your response to that amazing insight and while i said accurate i mean the elites

who are leading solar and wind energy on america the cheapest form of energy on the planet so the point mining is a race to fish and you have access to low dose course and actually then renewable energy is that we also owe you anything cheap. energy is surplus so much energy to be able to be put to work so you were married so plump that it's maxed out charging system work a winter when the company wants your. people. convert. to a point where you sit at your seat in spouting. it really isn't the solution we'd like to be better if it's a big one might all of which i was so out bumps rowing actually system because theoretically you could transfer to the surface energy around 0 in the form of critic arc c yeah they did this is amazing on the topic of hacking nirvana you know i think we're as i said in 2021 we may see the face of god now let us move on to

some other interesting technology here aurora renewable energy n u v sequestration this technology capture solar without direct sunlight right this device can absorb u.v. light and transform it into visible light and energy. what's going on here it sounds kind of incredible. yeah this is a great material can be manufactured using plug massa. and other commitments from the next fit into a type of solar panel and it's all true why that might i mean you will so. lots of this is spectrum coming through or in the event and he likes to come through clouds and in our notes you get some hints out of this energy that he sent her this summer so that it would be a mathematics you say complete not serious maybe you see how some white people cloudy day which is something you can put on windows is the only point so it

wouldn't consult use the electricity even if they go very cool. resorts they just say i who this is so it's just to say there isn't and it's yellow haired in going from out space to pick up on it's what you see that you can do all right let's talk and get into these numbers there about sounds like an amazing development and getting back to buckminster fuller's because you did the math on this so apparently the sun is a sun produces about 384 trillion terawatt hours a year of energy versus our consumption here on earth of about 20000 terawatt hours a year so if if in fact these technologies are becoming frictionless and just getting all those terawatt hours without any intermediaries and converting it directly into a big point at a rate that enhances at incredible leverage you're saying that the costs for energy are negative. this is getting back to one of

your maxims and that is that we're entering a period of transition from a finite energy to unlimited money to unlimited energy and finite money i really love this idea can it go into a little bit. yeah that's really what was going on you got socialized banks printing out see i didn't see any money prints out infinite money say so i know i'm interested in is based on foreign sources also if you keep the fact this way i will find out quite that you can't see the crease about time and hosting in an issue form which decreases in cost or time because it's a commodity you are in australia if it were your fortune 50 megawatt hour battery system with tesla at every one of those battery they're saving $2.00 on that rate and mama don't want to use it most of mine isn't that great and this

is just a generates and that's really the solution no one ever said that we can soak into so well it does require sewer systems. and that's why things like the big queen won't it actually prove well when it's so that's one thing you could have. you chance to get like sad that i do use the systems and use it for me to go to some truth to talk in some ways in a more way improve and let's get out networks people and motivations really really transform trust the future in terms of transforming the future i want to go back to something you said because it reminds me of something that we had a guest here bob mccallum wrath who was a he's a theoretical physicist worked at cern and he 1st thought he disagrees if there's any such notion as unlimited energy but by the human mind he said it's practically unlimited obviously physicists are absolute in their terms but he did say you know

because the the beauty of bitcoin and my big question is amazing is that it monetizes energy as a converts energy into a unit of account and so this goes hand in hand with the development in these battery technologies because it is. a way to store you could use your solar panels to store that energy you could store the energy in the value that is bit coin and then use it later if you know with the load capacity available so i think that's kind of it's an interesting thing if you want to comment on that but also these solar blimps like what does that future look like because i love that idea i love the idea that you could stay in a blimp for a year and float around the world and go travel and see all sorts of stuff and again it's seems like it's it's it's something that will be available to all like that the cost because so much of the cost of flying

a jet plane is about it's you know just getting off earth like being able to lift off the ground a gravity fight gravity so combine those $2.00 together. so the one thing that is limitless is the human imagination i was if you know much nation anything valid and the coin is entirely based on perception of it so this one it seems that everybody you want it or any it's miletus can theoretically finance unlimited amounts of energy systems which can be converted to energy transferred around both in the form of critic can't see so that's that's the limit the suspect that's a problem. and i'm what we do so we're going to utilize be going to build a new energy system and that would be the best use case imaginable in that era cheap flights and exchange and then likewise in the local aviation many people criticise comments around let electric acra you know literally take off because of

the wingspan the future radiation just listening to beat it exists in an actor off it can be in form lips so he'll be ok with literacy in my mind the mom has an entrepreneur it systems on board so you. were included in the air well so you can be at. and you can live on it i don't really see the reason why much in from one consonance another a matter of hours discomfit the weekends where you could take a couple of days to get from one country to another in silence with amazing peace and just be able to socialize there having a group of restaurants and gyms on and on a little bit to connect to the east that check your current price from sky walk or check what the passage especially if you want to see i'm not chasing to get back into it it's a matter of drawing. environments that's so important so cheap by putting

a value creating around well 10 what do you want to see yeah the block sounds better to me than they have let's say virgin galactic i know you're going to be on the verge of glad that you're on though. less to take that ship into space but had a choice i'd rather be in a blimp you know and floating around for a year or 2 for political and you know you that i. like to be a bit i'll see the point to the point that dissipates in space truck with 'd. interest. and money into things we want to see there we won't vote that industry so yes free space flight for improving our whenever i'm not going to space yeah no i mean if i want to you know plant a satellite in space i would definitely have to take a rocket but you know i'm more into the laser stuff you know back in the seventy's and eighty's during the development of the nickel or atomic energy energy industry and here to phrase back then saying this is so fission that it's too cheap to meter

you know this was a big phrase back then tomic energy too cheap to meter and of course that proved to be false but what you're talking about it does almost sound like as too cheap to meter solar and wind we're getting into this phase where energy costs are approaching 0 a. meter energy is expensive and getting ever more expensive so very cheap is cheap getting cheaper and so yes i know it's be so cheap that we can just get energy away free stopped so all right awesome cameras thanks for being on the christmas eve guys reports special. already that's going to do it for this episode of kaiser report that's me back kaiser and stacey everett like to thank our guest cambridge of the stock exchange dot com and so next time by all.

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