now i just read you 1234567 things it one of the. well i think we could begin really with as you say the science in a sense human experience if we think back to 100 years ago when the great spanish flu epidemic or even 60 years ago and so hong kong flu. the extraordinary thing is the degree to which the current epidemic has led to huge social changes and if you like social disciplinary changes but those didn't have and in a sense also they didn't really have a legacy did they they were huge events catastrophic events but they cost. us in the ability interesting thing here and it comes to hope social discipline question if the culture changes is that across the world certainly across the northern hemisphere in which they australasia people are adapting to a whole new set of behavioral rules which have come into force very quickly social distancing how you manage your life the economic activities social activities cultural activities and seem to accept that the extraordinary way and it in

a sense i don't myself subscribe to the idea that it was a preplanned or thought through but it has revealed us for instance one of our chief expose of advising the government yes said yesterday. the chinese in a sense pioneered a way of showing how easy it was to get people to conform to extraordinary restrictions with very very little resistance and this may be necessary to control a contagious disease what else could it in a sense set off that's the real danger in the future i think you know you know mark it's not i'm also a scribe you know i don't believe this is a tensional but obviously for many in power and in the business world and in social media this is an opportunity they just can't let pass go ahead and well it sets need to be it's 2020 as being it's really hard long. occupation in the united states although we have seen the british government's refused sort of measures to protect its livelihoods and as

a result in science its friends. close to 1000000 a british who has lost their jobs so from all we have witnessed the british government's systematically erodes civil liberties in its current fight against what is known as 9 st compare and contrast the how the british parties have responded to cope that night and seeing how the russian authorities have responded it's a quite benign seeing in russia devotion government has made its a very clear there will be no restrictions on civil liberties concerns him into its inmates it's also abundantly clear that if russians want to have the massing they may if they do not want to have its bendable be notification that's placed on their lives that is not what we are seeing in britain the british government is toying with the idea of on the one hand making that same mandatory oh that's on the other

hand they might not make it mandatory however what they are implying is that if you do not have the vaccine you may be refused entry city education hospitals and what places but i also want to add that in 2020 it is also being business as usual so to speak to some countries say for example america has continued to consider it's an economic war against iran america has a tendency to weaken the russian federation in your by for example henson's instigates occur in belorussia and by redeploying american forces from germany to poland which is a flagrant violation of the nato russia pounding that's all $997.00 so yes 2020 has been a shock and they are poorly and yet some countries have continued to add attempts to achieve our objectives in the most milliken it's

a matter as there will never never let a crisis go to waste that's what we learned in 2. 20 you know george you night on the gaggle were talking about this phenomenon of how accepting. western apologies have been to these restrictions here and i'd like to throw into it is that you know that the media is playing a very. negative role through all of this because when i when i see the media questioning authority saying why didn't you instituted earlier what why was it more stringent i mean it's a there's no questioning about you know is this miss make any sense because this woman in california has an outdoor counting but she can operate it but within a stone's throw away the hollywood production company has almost the identical campaign but they can operate you know that only a very small number of people in the media have looked at the glaring contradiction here but media for the most part and is just you know saluting and doing what they're told because it's the science go ahead george oh that's absolutely right

and mock directive ones do that if i have a meeting interview with professor neil ferguson. in which he's saying that the idea of a lot of downs really came from china and while the chinese were doing it people thought of ferguson been really believe that you could do this in the west. great idea but if it were to work in the west because we're also used to democracy in for me them and we wouldn't tolerate government telling us what was there what he found out that the western public was very follower of. and that i think is really the most shocking development because. the science underlying cope with is very very questionable i mean everything we've known about the disease suggests that the lockdowns the economic dislocations and everything has been wildly disproportionate to the threat of the disease actually. i mean we know the average age of the beds

of these we know that. most. that the public overwhelming majority of the public if they get the virus they will make a full speedy recovery from it yet despite all of that there is still the pressure on these most draconian measures and that's why it's very reasonable the speculators well in the public be prepared for something else this is now going to be the new wall of draconian social reorganization all the desired goal of liberal and of course i mean you know i talked about and also you know about the great recession and you know how do you see that means different things to different people or more what why do you think western remembering the public's resupply and so all of this and i don't know if there's a real answer for it yet ok because all of us are shocked by it. conall tell if they remain plan but i think it's worth thinking about in the context even all other types of mass casualty incident sees as horrible phrases western countries

not least in my states have become very risk averse to casualties in war for their own side so we use massive bombardment bombing and cruise missiles and so on and we have 0 casualties on our side perhaps tens of thousands on the other and in a sense we're now seeing this as an epidemiological phenomenon that we don't feel able to sustain a loss of life in the way that previous flu pandemics caused in the 20th century now this may be in a certain way a good sign that we're becoming more humane but it's also if you are the me generation too isn't it it's because this to me that there are i demand everybody conform to very strict provisions of behavior which may impact calls collateral damage on a huge scale to use military term because we may see fast numbers of people forced into unemployment to destitution despair and suicide and so the downsides all look alike and then become more apparent and then we have to ask is this cultural revolution that we think we've been saying all apes are to that is pliable to the

fear of isabel and i may with. actually remain passive and to be didn't if you really have a lone scale of unemployment in particular affecting a lot of younger people who are already entering a very precarious economic system already and then find that they don't even it went to the economic system of the baltimore rungs because the bottom rungs of the whole service sector all those who do things that student age and young twenty's people who have been kicked away. this mantra also of safety 1st which on its face i think obviously makes sense you should he care but also when it does is in the way that is being propounded is that you there is no risk taking take and you kind of about your absolved of any kind of personal responsibility of your behavior i think this is one of the think the miscalculations of these lockdowns in the west is that you know you know be responsible take care of your health and be aware of other people's health care and you know their weight the way they've done

it is that you know you know forcing a self induced coma for the economy that's not safety 1st is markets party point and now we have substance abuse we have suicide we have families being broken up and then the despair of the economic situation so this mantra of safety 1st has been taken to bars an overreach in my opinion because it takes responsibility for away from the individual go ahead marcus and i say 1st of all that professor knew ferguson who is being decided in this program already by children and lot has been a sin for us support of lockdowns if he did not say it's here so the sons and himself and i would also focus and gives a whole new meaning to the quotes incompetence now let's recall it's the british people the british people paid as a whole lost the ability to think by for independently and critically many is

a go and i would launch a league. put that down to the diabolical effects all for neo liberal economics and neo liberal cultural values and i use the word cultural in a very loose way the average british passenger today peter is more interested in reality television in supply pretty culture in the sexuality of people on television as opposed to what is going on around them in society indeed the average british person hates us is prepared to listen to simpletons like piers morgan and phillip schofield who know the nothing about international relations they know nothing about politics they know nothing about the thought of all the g. but they want someone who pays more concerned now about syria to know about any other aspects of international affairs as opposed to listen it's a real it's

a real expert market i would posit that why these people have their jobs ok i mean that it's no mistake ok i mean maybe this is who the elites turn to to. explain and expand their agenda. i'm a societal wide basis here i gentleman wait i'm going to jump in here we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on the kobe crisis and its legacy stay with hockey. for all those drowned out.

dares. thinks. we dare to ask. americans of. this was a fundamental part of how our political leadership and our country at large understood the bargain you get a hope and then you know rebel right as the things you don't revolt if you have a stake in the system. to be really interesting to dial it back and think about the longer deeper history housings men in the united states not just that question of the american dream but the bigger question of who the dream is for.

this is not a bill. that's not a money spinner but it is expensive. and it's dangerous. this is what. they have no brakes that's. some. welcome back to cross talk where all things are considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're talking about the impact of the kobe crisis.

when i was going to back to georgia in budapest there's already been mentioned on this program here and something i want to talk about is the absolute incompetence of the elites that have been making decisions about how we live and how we should live into the future and and the way i look at it is that these decisions for us are very self-serving all these people that talk about science on cable they all got a paycheck uninterrupted during all of this ok uninterrupted ok but then let's see the downside i mean the way i look at it is that it's working people middle class families and middle class values i would even go 'd as far as say but i've been crushed during all this and on top and some of the most basic things that will bring us all together that prior to this we had even if we're on the left or the

right we believe in freedom of speech freedom of assembly breed among worship. and all these things are being put to a test and and there's not enough pushback as far as i'm concerned because you take these things away they're very hard to get back go ahead george well that's exactly right another that's the most frightening aspect of the whole situation because the one who. think that has emerged in this during the covert crisis is that the elite has used the bully and coercion against the public is really it's like everything is the public before the public isn't being careful enough to know where in ma sufficiently they're going out too much socializing too much of that maintaining the distance and if ever it's the people the terrible great unwashed masses that i'll be behaving the more and then we see the parallel with the environmental hysteria over global warming is syria will be on it that terrible people are being

punished for their way for ways to live with excessive addiction to cars dishwashers washing machine. you will live thought and they must be punished and that really was the whole parable about there's a lot of work to the public of the old bill of goods they were resistant to the environmental coercion to have been resistant to this because they got really scared that this is going to be a horrific the laying weight 'd of the nation to the well and then they bought into that and as you say once you give up these freedom very hard to get them back because the government are in love with that we live from the rollout of the vaccine but nothing is going to change that is going to let you know you think you're going to get the vaccine and you know you won't be able to do anything without the vaccine but you're still going to have to make days go who doesn't think you will have to go around wearing a mosque and list of people locked down though no prospects of any opening of luck

and so. things like the government. and they are going to give it out without you know mark a cynic would say. that this is a template for whatever is the term determined to be next ok. the climate crisis ok we have it we have to deal with the deem the movement climate so i'm not here to discuss the you know the climate crisis on its own but it is you know people are being conditioned there is a paradigm out there now there's news in the doe don'ts and there is the power of the state and again the media shoring up the state in its agenda and its ideology is martin's already pointed out your me does that worry you you know it's you know it's you know it's a form of social control because you know you know these people think they're doing the right thing i mean just like george said you know we were going to get rid of your carbon footprint and then a good idea you know well i mean if you're

a truck driver you're going to have some issues with. what do you know sense what we've seen in the last 20 or 30 years is the emergence of a new cureton a some which has nothing to do with classic characters in terms of regulation people's morality or sexuality indeed it is very almost it with that but on all these other issues it is very strict and it's good for your soul that you would discipline the new pay attention to the rules and that any breach of the rules meets you to complete social ostracism and so in that sense we see a kind of midst 16th century kill christmas because it's wicked stole the not because you want help but because you want to stop the people enjoying it that kind of mentality that kind of cycle which has come back with a vengeance through these processes and there's another problem calls by a culprit or there's another. possibility all environmental problems caused by changes in the climate to give to people who have without realizing it as you say. to motivation to control and discipline and even punishment and so on to say to

make them feel that they are doing the right thing then maybe. he opposes them doesn't need to listen to and i think this is the problem coming to a point about the times science has advanced through the dissident galileo would never been allowed to be published in a money journal today because the ptolemaic consensus would have said but he's outside all consensus same with einstein so in fact it's always the old bulls lunatics who are the ones who make progress and then they become the orthodox or the artist become ill to see them quite often are right but it's a certain point as we saw with newton's physics it turns out not to be adequate and einstein can replace it and einstein now just seems a bit old hat to and this is i think the great thing for the people latching on to something that gives them a cow as money if used to be a religious thing but now it's science is the total sciences become the model to everything must be sacrificed by people who have a scientist i do actually want his sons. made to be think that's absolutely right marcus i mean it this is one of the great tragedies of this year is age the science

as people like to say has been politicized i mean you can if you can you serve science in the service of your agenda i mean it and i mean it in so many different ways and this is this is this illusion many people have has been where is the science where you know you still have your elite fighting on their private jets but i'm not supposed to drive my car from this hour at this hour i mean i mean it's so glaring for some people here and it does go back down to where this sense of social control that and they truly believe it's a positive impairment and i think that's i think that's what really scares me because these are like ideologically possessed people that really really think that they're really close helping you but it doesn't change their lifestyles back to rich people in this world and got a far more richer during this crisis here is really one of the great oddities of this crisis as well go ahead more arcus sense and a case that's the last 20 years. points it's about religious not christians people

after it's has been the shooter in a hell it's all. that. agenda and i would consent bets once in 20 as being a pencil for the british establishment and it's all for this heritage agenda and i believe that mainstream rejecting me you'd say has really that message very very clear to those of us in the u.k. who shrink person independently and critically because what we have seen in britain's friends in transit is the media to not buy a platform to needs in x. it's in best beings who have a difference of opinion on what is known as code benign seem to have a distance opinion on a lot downs on social distance in and where in all trace mosques now paid whenever the major denier platforms who needs an expert it's a nasty words the

a lot of bells go off in my head and it doesn't matter what the subject area really is it could be russia it could be syria it could be north korea it could be iran it could be cheered by the british major wasted not a platform and indeed batesville a fight anyone who challenges the british official merits in on countries such as russia or iraq that should be most discourtesy don't concerts and people who think independently and critically and that's what we have seen in 2020 brits in concert in what is known as kofi 9 saying if you have a difference of opinion on the virus you have been demonized you have been vilified so you aren't used to being mentally ill you aren't use or endangering the lives of tens of millions of britons even people like dr hilary jones and professor newman ferguson broke the lock downs which states are often in the cold war now if that is not a concern for people then i submit to you they speed. who do not even have sink

drain so between now you know george you and i you know we talked about the passing of the great stephen cohen here and i think all of us would agree and most of our audience if not all of our audience. think of stephen cohen as one of the great russianness of our time but how much time did he get on the airwaves preciously little though you have other people that have no idea where russia is fighting off on and on on twitter all the time george anyone who thinks because we're rapidly running on time here is that a lot of these elites they presume wars in the name of democracy here but where has been the democracy in all of these shutdowns and lock downs i mean you have to sit here in the of the executive and and there's been a little bit of pushback on that and i'm. glad to see it but it's only happening after almost a year of this year but at the end of the day it's not what the people want it's

what they are told and george and i know that you know american experience the best mean you have these. governors that are essentially functioning as dictators i mean an executive order can can't doesn't necessarily make it constitutional and this is something that's being challenge go ahead george. exactly and what we normally think of in the practice of democracies is negative ration elected representatives debate and pall mall but instead what we have in the united states of the united kingdom is the big government big that which from one day to the leg becomes more and the police. or with some brutality and protests are and 7 the gloves on and with the goal posts of constantly being moved. exactly and that's what we've been talking about the strong i think well what is the science there is

extensive a disagreement about coded as the weather really. hot the air is there through the coronaviruses of the been around forever that the debate about them often about whether the mafia use or i'm one of the scientists say that camp would meet with going like that people are suffering from all kinds of. psychological problems something to be increasing also is fine but with people it by and by means the scientists who then have you know all the sciences who are presenting a very different view about the enable the coercion to take place and i was going to budget in the mainstream media for. all of the social media that was supposed to provide a little girl as it were for a vehicle was in the name of you know what i was the reigning ideology well it's in preparing interesting gentlemen i hope you'll join me here on cross not exactly one

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