hard work practice but the. core of what is driving it is footage that is undeniable that everyone it's not a matter of the you know do you believe the police to believe friends of the person who were shot witnesses but it is undeniable footage of exactly what has occurred and that is not only stimulating part of the black community i think the black community is on the understood this all too long actually but it's stimulating enormous acceptance and sympathy outside the market because the argument is proving a son speaking to us in 2016 after being granted asylum in the ecuadorian embassy in london the un special rapporteur on torture claims the founder of wiki leaks has been tortured by u.k. authorities since his capture by scotland yard and this week the trumpet ministration seeks to extradite a songe an act that could see him die in a us prison his supporters include amnesty international reporters without borders

as well as even mainstream news outlets cognizant that the court of controversial english judgment could lead to the nail in the coffin of free speech in britain as sanchez millions of supporters around the world here are a few who have spoken to us here and going underground it would be cruel on the part of the british. to exceed 'd to the u.s. to their tradition. they've already committed many crimes. is not. an official extra good it comes up for trial and the u.s. is spinoza's laws which even carry a potential to. trial is being. committed the crime of letting the general population know things that they do have a right to. no that still want to know anyone who exposes misconduct

is not a terrorist i mean julian assange says never threatened anyone he is never committed you know. in these negotiations to. try and use it. often are and so i think we should be grateful that we know that these things should be grateful that senator hold those people to the. wall when he leaks has done an incredible job. hopefully you know this thing will be solved but it's not the same situation he has committed no crime and we're here all political and i wouldn't support him. i thank you for an incredible thing he's very very important we have to support him in every way they can find. and that's. what i know

look at the case of julian assange i've got a month to concrete a man with. cruelty pushups cruelty a court that can treat him cruelty. is quite capable of a form of cruelty you know problem policy the most important information that we truly in the sunshades fellow citizens of the globe need is information about the secret malfeasance and wrong of all governments which legend. and julian the song along with chelsea manning and edward snowden and the other whistle blowers down the years of the heroes who helped us to gain some of the knowledge that the powers that be would keep secret if they could support whistleblowers as part truth. there has to have

a government after all it's it's extraordinary to be up against that even boris johnson who was being the most of his life the journalist should understand if you will agree to what do you consider us to do i mean today interest rates. expose wall cripes tomorrow or it could affect his looks for those things which you know to stand still and the americans are already upset washington is good any foreign journalists of the us constitution doesn't apply to them so they can pick anyone out and dig their moral over to washington to pre-crisis most governments do their bidding and eat when people don't go out. and so on and so on. major and make many mistakes but excuse day in march when the contribution is to make us aware of the exchange. we drove

many people a bit and shown it so well for me the best face of showing that. google is just a bright guy got out version of n.s.a. i soon as i started to hear about it happily for that it would end this way. the idea of somebody who. has all this stuff that hidden from you and i'm going to show you i'm going to give it to you left right and center. public domain one finger really upsets me is that. we don't hear about all of the stuff that they're putting out i saw a film of american soldiers shooting innocent people in the street this is big news these are the kind of things that the people of my country to people the world should know about these are the kind of thing that these people get up to some of the. forcing julian assange she faces extradition to the united states there as to

the hearing itself is fine ahmed with those are given on the front lines of the battle for british and global press freedom i'm going underground social media produce a farmer and today we're outside the old bailey in london joining us on to the wiki leaks founder is arguably in the fight for his life why he faces the 1st day of his u.s. like russian hearing trial if he is actually right as united states he faces a 175 years in a supermax prison behind me are many of his supporters and there are some big names out here today who are backing the wiki leaks founder i'm going to be looking to talk to some of them pass the injured on the sons actual trial what is your sense on his condition he's been tortured according to the u.n. of course he's been tortured and he is not in a good place that's all i can say we heard in the last minutes bit of a hearing that his condition has deteriorated and i can. cross so there's a process of a trial what are your expectations and then allegations of bias from the court judges from parade's is there any hope in others company or mailing we have to

bring to the hope that my expectations are low but i demanded justice and which you told him and the justice in this case the abuse of process the been seen in this case up till now it is absolutely horrific it's been piling up in the years and the months leading up to this day there's been spying on legally privileged communication there's been stealing of material and 2 weeks ago the americans just threw into this court a totally new document an indictment that totally changes the narrative and julian is supposed to have 3 weeks to prepare for that and his lawyers with the americans have been cooking these up in a 10 year process this is absurd it should be thrown out and if it's not thrown out today it will be an abuse of process and an abuse against the rights of julian.

some say this does go the way you don't want to go why german sanchez i said i said where would put the fight go from the potentially this is only one battle in the war here in this court there will be appeals if he loses here we'll take it up to the supreme court we will do everything in our power to stop this extradition because there's so much at stake not just the life of julian assange but the future of journalism as i've been covering the jim i thought process of the last year talking to every court about i've seen the protests go on go have you seen the same thing around the world as support growing for german fans and they think the momentum is going to say that i think the momentum is really coming to this favor and we're seeing that in the next you have journalists that are starting to wake up to what is at stake because it's their future their job security their rights to report on national security issues when it pertains united states the president of this case is starting to sink in and we should all be afraid all journalists should be afraid of what's happening here so much of the and just finally some outlets are

doubling down on all of that says again surveillance on for example washington post in a recent article so called wiki leaks a russian descent from nation outlook what do you say to all of that all the other guys the germans under the russian agent it's an absurd and it's a reflection of the new cold war that we are seeing being blown out of the i mean. the queen's is also cold and anti-secrecy organization what is that it's the play of word do you call transparency international antis secrecy organization we're fighting for trust total transparency just like every journalist should do in this world last day of journalists on sex and trial has been on the show saying that there's been a lot of bias against response from judge parade so any hope now for more impartiality now that we've come so the old bailey well as christine just said we can't depend on. there is enormous

pressure for justice in this case if you look at the people around here that soul train truly and this is now at the center of an international struggle for justice so i do think that if this court. allows the extradition of julian. it will go to appeal and i'm reasonably hopeful that it's either appeal to the court used to be called british justice my profile i think most people are now intensely angry that this huge miscarriage of justice. has now found its way to the old bailey to the central criminal court to be. presided over by a system that is really not people. not given the true way of any justice would go so the last one that i spoke to you were inside a body cage is a canary but your limits on what the football symbolizes must be has gone about

this the added goalpost and it's about the price that the call but can't. play football with you say trond every time they tried to drop the scores a goal vamp no case so as again to keep changing but still inventing the bill moving the goalposts and they do awful together but they will never admit that because this so-called all that resides they will find him to. back them this is what we say what do you think the consequences will be if you're going to saunter is extradited to the united states he will forever be a shining light he's a hero he's an icon. on the my film career got him on the pole if they're still alive because we say that's a thing. will. shining truth do

you have any hope that the british justice system will prevent you from being extradited to snow listen to public opinion public opinion if changing in favor of the sounds makes the point. about that after they do what they want this is the problem of course he would be going. yes no this is no place again. and yet they had. even with that said. they will find him guilty. because. that's why we wear these bags over our heads because that's what's happened to just because it's in the bag those are some of the biggest names down here in support of gitmo sarge for more coverage of genocide is actually make sure to say if you're going underground back to you off of social media producer fine ahmed there well we've invited the

u.k. government to appear on the program or provide us with a statement they haven't got back to us yet but they've said in the past that they disagree with a number of the observations by the un reporter on torture who detailed what he saw as torture of julian assange and belmarsh prison the government also said judges are imposed an independent from government with any judgement based solely on the facts of the case and the a political lord of course u.k. prime minister boris johnson has previously said it's only right the julian assange finally faces justice join us after the break as we speak to a man who knows all about wrongful detention talk to use of one of the exonerated central park 5 you spent over 7 years in juvenile detention for a crime he didn't commit and whose story is dramatized in netflix's award winning show when they see us. so we've got to do is identify the threats that we have it's crazy. in front dacian let it

be an arms race move his arms off and spearing dramatic developments only personally i'm going to resist i don't see how that strategy will be successful very critical dying time to sit down and talk. and then as that happens the delusion will. let you down australian bush and the. people. who are. used to dumb shit on the new. study to go to live to. the needs of those but it seems to me. you need to go to church for this new look like a loser well going to turn you into a pretty chilled good natured to be on your boat it will show you such did it with . us talk it over out of this goof through with don't be fooled the coke were full

of can churn you. point of soup that beautiful hear them. were going. to put so that the new. blood but their ambitions or their share for more gas to generate. the more it would tear the locust last with a message and you are just stuck underneath it you just want to also let the speech of your pride you will know when you are going in the usual with these. welcome back while julian assange fights for his life in london over the next 4 weeks are there any lessons to be learned from the wrongful conviction of the 1990 central park 5 they won the largest of

a payout in new york state history 41000000 dollars and the story's been dramatized in netflix's award winning show when they see us one of the 5 talked to use of salaam joins me now from atlanta georgia his new young adult novel punching the air coauthored by ab's a boy tells the story through verse of one boy's struggle against the u.s. justice system it's out now you said thanks so much for joining us on on going underground as i said in part one we heard about the julian a songe case a lot of people think he's innocent amnesty international all these different n.g.o.s fighting for him i know you've been asked the question before but how does anyone cope with being in a maximum security prison knowing they're innocent. you know the biggest challenge just such try to figure out how to keep your mind free even though your body's in bondage as we know where your head goes your body follows and so as we begin to look at you know the opportunities even through now we've been experiencing coppa 19 and world and some people have been going out of their mind and it's because of

this and the greatest thing that we can do is try to channel our inner g. meditate as deep in as far as we can and channel our energy to keep our minds as free as possible because wherever our minds go our bodies follow but of course in this book there are so many different facets that you examine i mean there's a line here bail money let me know the people believed in me. something actually ridiculous peculiarly apt for julian assange how how did bail money mean so much to you when you were incarcerated you know because the community responds and the community responds in such a powerful way by putting their dollars against the system the whole system is coming against you and a great thing about it is that in black and brown communities in those most marginalized communities in america a lot of folks get it because they've also been moaning about a spike of justice and those indelible scars that they continue to experience allow them to take their hard earned money whether it be a $1.50 cent whatever it is all of their stuff adds up and when you need to get

someone out of prison because they're going through this tremendous time their families are not also going to it's not just that individual the family is going through the awful a loss of not having them there with them the community is going through an awful time as well and so it's it's a really powerful. expression of hope of resilience of truth that someone would use their money to help to get someone out because people will know if they've seen the documentary central park 5 or the netflix t.v. show the appalling way the media can behave out as one cope when journalists are just acting as that of refers for power. you know that's the biggest challenge i think when i look at what happened in our case 2 weeks after we were accused the now president donald trump who was a real estate mogul back then took out a full page ad calling for our deaths it was essentially telling the rest of america that it was ok that open season for black people were ok and especially for

the central park 5 as we warrants gnome. they made a sly. like . part of the way they have to do with us. they hoped that someone from those most sinister sides of society would do to us what they had done to emmett till as a matter of fact another our media personality pat buchanan wrote in the papers that we should take the eldest one corey wise and hang him from a tree in central park and that we should do this by june 1st and so we were we were up against tremendous odds the gravitational pull of the negativity that we

were in is something that we are experiencing now because we have social media everybody has a front row seat to all pression especially oppression in america and you know white supremacy white male dominance is something that we are all experiencing the evil of around the globe and as we try to move out of that gravitational pull fighting against spiritual wickedness in high and low places we have a tremendous opportunity because the best thing about being born in the struggle is that you're automatically born on the side of right you're automatically born fighting for true freedom justice and equality not the imagined system that doesn't include all of us were talking about the inclusion of the kaleidoscope of the human family in the same way that dr king had a dream. and in this book welcome xx as mentioned quite early on in punching the air i should say julia suds talked about black eyes matter back then but of course he was exposing entering clinton you. obviously have feelings about the

whole trump taking out those advertisement calling for your deaths but of course it was biden who is responsible for mass incarceration policy harris the vice presidential nominee was. there's a case daniel lawson an innocent man she wanted to jail for the 3 strikes law what can americans do now to prevent future central. we know what i look at i look at the fact that we have the opportunity now that we understand that it's not about just so to speak having a plan for the weekend we can't even just have a 5 year plan we need to have generational plans and as we play on this game of chess the idea in the understanding is that we're making incremental successes in guinea and so yes right now we were looking at the current election and the possibilities of what ought to come but i think it did mindset of you of of the

heartbeat of america is different the mindset of our ancestors wildest dreams has been crying out and we've been talking about yesterday we were talking about reform and now today we're talking about abolition we're talking about tearing the whole system down a system that was imagined not to include us we were always seen as 3 fifths of a human being thank god i did. not you hear. us only had to have this because let's see we were relegated to the new cotton fields of the of america through the criminal justice system a system that i call the criminal system of injustice it's a description. yeah you social on 16th 11th grade. here. i'm actually 50 graduate high school next year you tell me 15.

each each give some grace. and i'd change the birth date on. a. child in fresno if i'm going to 16. but now we have this opportunity to imagine what a great future would be like not necessarily for us but for our children's children's children and so in that incremental gain we have to make sure that the 46 president is much better than the 45th president and because we are the people and we are the ones who will agitate we are the ones who will hold people to their promises we are moving in the political space in a way that we have never will before we have our eyes wide open and that's one of the things that 2020 has given us it's given us the awesome opportunity to have 2020 vision we see things perfectly now and as we move into 2021 and beyond we move with the knowledge and the truth of what we need to be about and we are going to be

about that very thing in a very very powerful way that adds life to us and that as life to the rest of the world yeah but if you are right now in prison maybe watching this program what hope can you have from joe biden that alone donald trump why i tell you what if we look at a person's past 4 point past performance we can predict what they will do in the future now you're looking at both candidates and we already know that. donald trump is running as the law and order president donald trump is saying that he wants to make a good america great again on the echoes and we're there we're hearing in the background of states' rights and we know that states' rights means especially in the south the mean states' rights to own slaves you know of course the driver deny that and when you talk about the bus you know that joe biden gave an impassioned speech for mass incarceration joe biden was opposed to the segregated schools well

the alter of well listen i mean if you look at it all we're talking about certain ology at his highest form and even though someone will deny this or someone has done this in the past what i would always say is we we like i have a different sort of speak connection into dollar chunk of course and as we look at america right now what do we see we see that person at the top of the country saying that he is trying to unite us but then telling the give municipalities to get control over their cities and their states and what are those municipalities doing there being us in the in the face is almost like malcolm x. what he said he said they'll bus you in a mouth and then they'll charge you for being the accuser or the abuser it's like victim blaming. we we've had enough of that and even if a new president is called into office the greatest thing that happens is that we the people have a new mind and we have

a new opportunity because we're not looking at things like ok we'll just put that person in office and then we'll turn a blind eye and go back to do what we're doing when we see what's going on in the streets and enough is enough it's about abolition now not about making a band-aid over the cut well we saw the defunding the police campaign we saw a brief flicker of statues coming down of racists it even happened over here after the george floyd killing your book weaves in and out of imperialism colonial legacy is in africa what about the fight back to all trump said just in the past few days no set as a coming down on his watch. well see that's the thing we're still talking about rick knology right the people are speaking this is the united states the imagery that we see in the word united states is us meaning us but we've known

that the emagine vision of the founding fathers did not include us as a matter of fact on the heels of emancipation proclamation the 13th amendment was included in the founding documents of this country which allowed slavery to continue by another name as we look at the criminal justice system we i call it in many of many of my constituents call it the criminal system of injustice because for us it has been just that we can clearly see that you can have a person shoot up a church and be captured alive. and you can have a person sitting in their car reading a book and be murdered you have so many examples of the duality of american the american criminal justice system that is criminal to see what's going on and it's trick knology to tell us that we are getting better when we look like we're getting worse when we're experiencing more worse and more treachery more pression we want the american dream we collectively have the foot of america or the need of america

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