disappointment not to really talk about it on just an onset they said that they will appeal as soon as they can and of course the ruling 2 days ago i don't i thought you dishonest such as you know i think based on his mental health is deteriorating mental health may not breaking point the fact that you had talked to the side of tennessee's numerous times every single day makes no sense to send him back to that area prison cell is inhumane and logical that will save us from down the morrissey's upon us all to natasha's he says it's great to be sent even today because he said there was no cause for celebration until he was fired this is a really devastating cut off the just a few days i'll say but we had a monumental event for his campaign for the dividend it started something i don't think the child is well quite right now i am so excited for me to address the great mari i believe in love was a. genuine attempt. of

history where extremely disappointed. we were very hopeful that this fails because despite. all the given on monday for this is this child. it seems pretty logical. decision and judgment is being made in his favor to still keep him in detention particularly when. one of the days of. his execution. all serious accident calculation on his health was called the texaco station of his health but i'm going to continue potentially for another few months but it is very very hard to understand this here and say well if you go next really. well. this decision not to go sail can be appealed and it can be appealed to the high court. and. almost certainly was possible to happen next such as. susan

for julian to make and we haven't been able to consult with him and take his view. immediately on on the next step but i expect there will be an appeal to the high court against this ruling the ground there are fulfilling that monumental a victory just a few days ago it was bittersweet of course it was based on medical grounds and not political grounds and so what does this mean for journalism as well. for the judgment was very worrying for journalists time in the. the just a tech sector. but people can be extradited from the u.k. on political grounds explicitly try to be very very worrying for fiji's for many governments around the world. and also she accepted that anybody can be prosecuted anywhere in the world economics to go out on the u.s.s. be an object for publishing u.s. national security information coming from men to sleep chilling effect on on

journalism worldwide so that there are many aspects you know on the political side and on the legal side. that need to be fought through the courts on this for some time but at the moment where most of the concerns to to obtain judeans peter and so although it was disappointing that you build slowly on the mental health care and. getting him see is the 1st priority we can look at. you know cancer feels almost of a point as a late stage and saying that looking on that has priority office mental health my understanding is that very high risk of suicide is that still the case today. i think this just from a survey not going to help you know having obviously days of his with his hopes of . hope liberty or limited ability on the burial and then having the audacity you know he's obviously going to be a tremendous blow to him. and. on top of which because of kobe it's the

distinction in the system. like speed that he's not been able to have any visitors since march last year so it is though he is really and a substantial isolation. so yes look we all you know on a day to day basis we're very very concerned for his mental health and just going back to the legal proceeding to today of course the judge has twice now tonight found that the case is this thing this 3rd time was pretty high i'm a motivating factor today. i think i think this is indicative i mean the prosecution in. opposing bail. made a great deal of play it by edward snowden and the fact that the child in the face of justice. they made. a great deal of play all in the damage to american national security the truth in the trend to legislate on. this is plainly

the this occurs the state looking to show it can trust its opponents that this is this is indicative it's not based on anything rational and then following from that get that 2nd fire as they all still act campaign on a political candidate freedom of expression and also the right of the public to access information all of these things and now possibly. really on the line and make it. i think that's absolutely true i think it's so important that we might look at these arguments on these wise appointed under the high court i mean i should say. it's a boy scene but explain to me. just the dates i was very very beautiful on those points by the top of. it all too well you know if we have government willing to argue these things it will to be.

the american system so they have a government which is a bank that they looking to write laws to get it done and then ignore the 1st amendment and say the. national security information to be cannot be published or you'd be liable to get an object which is what they are saying in terms of it's very very necessary that the campaign goes on and we continue to try to overthrow the implications of all that on monday the judge essentially accepted almost every single automated the united states ad arguing that this case was not politically motivated and playing devil's advocate can you understand that position. and she did say she thought she accepted it was a political offense and and julian was politically motivated himself what he didn't accept was there was any deal difference between the obama administration and the trumpet ministration and that he didn't accept the evidence that this was

a particular decision of the top administrator. to try to actually talk to fans which we have our business nation. has not wanted to do she said it has been a continuing investigation and i guess the people putting will be anything i mean with the budget and the station come to think and request we all know she was she was wrong i would say personally myself why not save on the 4 perfect for painting. a palma. as too innocent to the whole issue i mean about the conduct of war on whistleblowers which for several of my personal friend in the united states jailed for whistle blowing so. i think about that a narrow point look there wasn't a great deal of difference to any of our men the trumpet ministrations in the attitudes to whistleblowing. i think she did have a point. no thinking all that with the same brush of course is still up on that

targeting access to manning value anything that might have been enacted by. a couple of things that could happen in a nice safe place we could still get say a pardon from peasant companies in this place in day 6 people to wait for him to have a poke at the. factions in the security services which made his life a difficult good says something. or we could see the incoming budget in the station and i'm so that's not going to see the expedition on again so it's an attack on the 1st amendment and i think both of those are quite a quite likely it's by no means playing to me that the the american government is going to progress with its appeal against the. and and until it clear that the you know the grounds to peel off of a week i don't think they do appeal labels. that julian will be in with us sometime

this year i'm quite sure it's just trying to make that happen before anything is a versatile happens to his health. is what we have to come to face off and then just funnel cake if they find one of the paper statements outside the court today was that justice will prevail you say potentially by jennifer yes i mean how likely is that. i've always been confident that once we get to the high court and apply to this judges who could not amenable to political pressure because they've already achieved their ambitions as much. as have a certain about face but the arguments in this case would help stand up and i i think very confident and i'm very happy in fact that this is the last time we will be seeing the magistrate's court. and next time we do this we will be finally at the high court thank my thank you very much for joining us live on on talk of the city appreciate your. time today. we are we for this 10 year battle fortunate son

she continues even though the long could be the end of the year according to create maariv it could be a lot longer if the united states does officially apply for the process of healing for exhibition for julian assange but outside the court he'd stay with activists with journalists they do say this all has a very chilling effect on journalism worldwide and essentially the legal system apparently seems to be trying to intimidate journalists world wide. shut it was shoddy every stache the outside westminster magistrates court. by all decision was and i'm so over the last few minutes is denied by all 2. we're still waiting to hear whether the americans will launch an official appeal against an early decision that was taken on monday to block the extradition of tuna sandwich on health grounds to the united states now it is a story that's cramping global headlines and attention to so let's now go to beyond

so the solon he's a member of the german party to link thank you for your time this afternoon just quickly what's your reaction to this latest news. this decision by a master to court is just a total and. carry shot just it because. it is so many ways possible and the 1st decision was already made how far we've got. a not. they are not to take into consideration the many good sheet minds that is you looking at as harsh as me as a journalist. for example with the iraq war are we would know so much less involved or really happened behind to see it your son had not done his all standing journalist work and this is the work that the u.s. administration is going for and so this was something that. parents i'm completely

biased judge joshua's. treaty swimming in the weight of a little pressure and actually was not at all if he depended josh if she has an appeal to see that and with this judgment today she just continuing on the wrong track ok but i mean in her defense on monday she did got the extradition of the united states. she did but show you this on health graphs not only important questions not only so we're journalists should be protected and so why in this little case she how. she. destroyed basically a whole whole. mess going to the u.k. because this is this judgment stat which i surely hope it does not matter going to

curators and the u.k. basically bad. investigative journalist can't travel to the u.k. for. prosecutors you know so her judgment was actually the stuff of that moment was better than be guided to the us through face certain death and birth of us of parties but it was only on house grounds and that is not enough because the important question is then the question your leaders are head dedicate his life to the question of press freedom. or that question josh parents out there completely. although we still have to hear from the american side and there are a pale in the war on what grounds there are pale will they just on that what are the chances of them being successful in getting a songe extradited if they do get an appeal for an example what if they do say look

we will make sure he won't be in self isolation will make sure that he isn't a suicide race. well that's exactly my problem with the josh josh parents handed out this week because it leaves open that door and she should go about it really on the question of journalist privileges and i do believe that there are many elements i mean. for an attorney general of the u.s. by and national state and security services and these these fish elements of the u.s. administration the d.c. they want to get sued julian is not they want to see him dead and what we're seeing is that the u.k. is i made to tell journalists. for example if you look at the case of. the only way that he was constructed from the american deep state was by the russian federation and so john as the future they know if they are really.

illegal prosecution by the united states there's only one country going to really protect their human rights and that is not the u.k. but the russian federation ok and just i mean the u.s. of course would say that i want to see him dead they just want the same tried. for those charges of espionage and there are many. do you see this getting resolved in any way with a pardon from the trumpet ministration obama haps a change of tack from the biden administration in any way. well we haven't seen any other trauma ministrations i want to look at a soft spots and i think that that is still much more likely and i shall be sensible frank are you that much more like the. 5 by the by i mean byers station and let's not forget it was the obama biden president

that. started the whole investigation into whistle goes journalists like julian soft and he was against the obama administration that much of his investigative journalism was lost so i think it's very unlikely that i will just forget. i think and then we will have to remain and of course if we don't see a problem in the next couple weeks but i am confident that the u.k. high court will restore. the respect that you may call u.k. judicial have to do well if i have any doubt here josh meant that he's freedom of the press when the announcement was made on monday what was the reaction in germany because this thing to many commentators certainly around the world some were saying look this is an attack on investigative journalism clearly because the judge has

ruled there's no public interest defense if he if you publish classified information you are likely to get prosecuted was there any well i just wondered what the at reaction was in germany when that was announced. we happy huge human also for. people that are. demonstrating in front of the u.s. consulates and embassies drowsy and all of the people who are elite to see that joining us on it was not going to be extradited and face potential death call us prison cell. for example jeffrey accented you know. how. i say my son. so we're very relieved to see him not be extradited by the state hi maybe people of germany very very angry that coffee such as the u.k.

that has always done for human rights and press freedom what all of a sudden throw it away when it was libby yes and so many are questioning. the role of judge barrett slots and are looking forward to see the judges at the high court really restart the u.k. . really nice to watch we have to leave it at that is beyond to the sollie member of the german part of the link thanks for your time and you now the americans then of course are pursuing a songe in connection with the wiki leaks revelations about the u.s. war crimes. but i.

like all. the less. because the owner of say any of the millions of. wiki leaks walks like a hostile intelligence or talks like a hawk because. ok well let's bring in. he's following the case. into the background. over the last half hour or so it was announced that would be granted to you sanjay and that got quite

a strong response from his supporters surely have and we already heard about the tensions when it comes to the protesters the. supporters that were there outside the court but in any case it could be that this isn't the final decision because potentially we do have 2 appeals pending one from the u.s. department of justice and we're guard to the blocked extradition and then the other one from joining us defense in fact one of the latest updates we already got from his force that. is that they will proceed with that appeal. in terms of the projection for the bail now of course for joining us on supporters it's a day of anger frustration and despair only 2 days ago it was a bit of a reason for joy on their part because of that decision when they found out that the whistleblower won't be handed over to the u.s.

but now this is what they heard so it is. after the small when they were having this big loss and the message from the polish. people has all along bill that been that he was only doing his job as a journalist and all the respect that they had for him as for his decision to go against the might of uncle sam so to say when revealing these potential war crimes by the u.s. army and once again we are hearing this message from his supporters as a result of this latest decision. and we really believe that mr thomas was targeted for his contributions to journalism the publication of the documents important times of public interest reporting that expose work crimes and other illegal behaviors by the u.s. government and the public had a right to these stories also if they're successful if he was extradited if he was

pressed to get it in the u.s. the implications for journalism and press freedom would be long lasting and severe not just in the u.s. but internationally so this case bowie's was about journalism always was about press freedom. so if we look at what the u.s. government was seeking for all these 10 years is extradition under the espionage act which has already proved nightmare for quite a few journalists and this is something that really led to a situation when u.s. politicians the most senior officials they were infuriated by what julian assad was doing because this really hit the image of america very hard and. when it comes to the prospects of this case i mean we are having a new president in the us joe biden but 10 years ago he called julian assange

a high tech terrorist and if we look at the things that have been done by president barack obama and then someone who succeeded president donald trump in so many cases it seemed that donald trump was very keen to make u. turns to reverse any kind of decision by barack obama but it seems that with the case of doing a solid nothing changed at all 'd and some people were expecting donald trump and fact he still has time for it to pardon julian assange to go against everything that's been on when it comes to julian saunders case and the reaction from the u.s. to that but it's not happened so far and clearly we were not looking for any kind of reverse in tide and 'd this was what the u.s. department of justice official said in response to the earlier decision. to block that extradition. while we are extremely disappointed in the court's ultimate

decision we are gratified that the united states prevailed on every point of law raised in particular the court rejected all of mr sanders arguments regarding political motivation political offense fair trial and freedom of speech we will continue to seek mr sanders extradition to the united states. well like i said there's barely any likelihood that something can change in the approach of the u.s. president with the arrival of joe biden but probably will have to wait and see in any case like i said potentially there are 2 appeals pending so this story is something that will keep hearing about perhaps for a while sure ok thanks. to the. season for. choosing the song. again for us hello again shaddy just bring us up to date me the last time i spoke. against this bio decision.

yet since the last time we spoke the way they are going to be as soon as possible of course that comes after the decision in the last hour or so that the judge ruled the bail would not be granted to. follows the monumental decision just 2 days ago and the decision not to actually go to the united states where the united states seeking him for his alleged role in one of the largest problem i suppressed by the information ministry of the united states he is wanted and if they charge for his indictment. he would be sentenced to 275 years behind prison since that decision not. very a statement on his supporters outside the court here today saying it's a great disappointment not to release. and they say we have found you

as soon as possible the ruling. was fundamentally based the main consideration the judge made that ruling only by his mental and physical health especially in belmarsh prison so today's warning come as quite a shock to his supporters i'm now joined by the film actor and consul in london who was instrumental in appt. ending the silence for silence in 2012 the town the forest thank you so much for joining us here today. now. i think the ruling today was very disappointing of course and in fact contradictory to the. ruling 2 days ago when the same judge denied this tradition based on the. conditions of. not serving any sentence. he has just won his case 2 days ago so there is no reason for him to

remain in prison. he has been there for trying the months already you know sentence as i said so why is he not allowed to join his family and to remain in this country until the end of the case. defending himself in freedom i think the us does a ride that the 9 to you. is it is it's an evidence to me that the prosecution continues and the united states they still haven't officially looked at appeals process so did the judge address that. was this the united states has 2 weeks. timetable to. find the appeal and i think if they if their knowledge dogs. are going to find out feel so the judge knows about and we are not even sure the united states at the end is going to force you with

they are people that's not even sure now because the change of administration in the united states and recent declarations for. justice officials in united states so this is really really difficult to understand what happened in court. and i can only say that this is. it's a long war. being fought for change years. we have won some battles we won one on monday we lost today but at the very end we would play but it's interesting though isn't it because of course at 2 days ago the case was won on the grounds of medical on his mental health and he was on a high so it's just so a side press that doesn't necessarily change now though it doesn't nothing just change scenes monday of course the conditions are absolutely the same. even more worrying because the break in there in belmarsh prison so yeah

it's difficult to understand but these are the sichuan that can be appealed and i understand the appeal is going to take place soon and so then when it comes down to that tension the thinking that president trump or is even president elect biden may not even go 1st if ordered the appeal but is there any chance there could be a part in all of this. well i hope that's also a possibility and he should be. just to do either for president tran before he goes from the new elected president he gets in power to drop the persecution drove the persecution against journalism this is not just again julian assange to the man who humiliated him exposing the world but he's a rule against journalists so that possibility is there and i hope that independently of what happens in this british judicial system the persecution to

stop this talk about the new say of war on journalism as well on monday the final ruling was space the only on mental health grounds that the charge going and accepting every single argument of the united states government in times of saying it was not politically motivated what so. of impact does that have on jealous and not just here in the united kingdom or indeed the united states but what about the world's worst day in park is huge. every journalism around the world. because now there's a president that india british judicial system. a judge has endorsed. has basically supported bumped up their political arguments paul persecuting julian assange.