so that possibility is there and i hope that independently of what happens in this british judicial system the prosecution should stop this talk about the new say of war on journalism as well on the monday the final ruling was space clearly on mental health grounds that the church going and accepting every single argument of the united states government in terms of saying it was not politically motivated what sort of impact does that have on journalism not just here in the united kingdom or indeed the united states but what about the world where they impart his cheek. every journalism around the world. because now there's a precedent. in the british judicial system. a judge has endorsed. has basically supported. their political arguments paul persecuting julian assange so is it is this is

a very thorough political case if they're going to try to apply a human espionage act this is a political case there 5 the julian assange is in prison without serving a sentence shows that he is a political prisoner so we might save julian i didn't he might not spend the rest of his life in prison but the risk. for journalists around the world is they're still there because. if somebody else in the future dares to do what julian did what wiki leaks did to publish the same things or similar things they will be prosecuted and they can be criminalized for that let's just think about the worst case scenario for a moment if he is extradited to the united states if he is. going on trial in the united states is there a chance of a fair trial i know that that's something. campaign supporters have long said that

there was not but is it there is no chance for fair trial but you know science united states the judges that i was well the charge the judge have rule wrong in many occasions us today. we know exactly the court does going to charge to know science if he is extradited us know as the extradition call to the espionage call. no one. practically no one has will need case there induct courts dallas based in the district with the highest. intelligence community of population so the jury pool comes from doug the discreet so it's very difficult for him to come for a 2nd the united states have spied on julian assange which they have spied on his

lawyers they have illegally access to these legal strategies. he says craft basically rules out the proceedings of having a fair trial in united states the u.s. is legal team today said that you know such as never suspect one or an old out quote see infamously when entering the london's ecuadorian embassy we know that you played a key role in that political asylum as well is that something that completely disrespects the law here in the u.k. . political asylum is a human right. and now after 10 years of the beginning of the persecution or julian assange is more evidence then ever before that this is a political persecution when the states when the government use all means.

big judiciary power to persecute people. to punish people for the political obedience. their way of thinking. generally journalistic activities that this persecution does political persecution and julian assange and every right to look for protection and in fact i think you can ask every right to look for protection now. of course it's been going on for nearly a decade this ordeal for cheeriness sarge many people here outside the court are quite optimistic that justice will prevail but it's very hard to see that this 10 year long battle will actually come to an end anytime soon. it will come to an end when we come to an end. if it is necessary to keep raise the price to the legal team. for several months and the fighting

spirit of julian all these close ones of his legal team of all we can you support because yes yes he is sometimes you. know kind of loose. but it will be light at the end of this time. julian will prevail i think justice will prevail and i'm hopeful of that the turn of by us thank you so much for joining us here on r.t. so this is an incredibly dramatic day today in fact it's been a dramatic few days in fact following on from monday's verdict and then today with food in the sounds being denied well even though you the united states is still yet to officially apply for an appeal process to extradite him to the united states today we're seeing it really wrapping up here journalists have already left but what was quite interesting straight after that verdict just nearly an hour ago the police try. to remove all of his supporters from the city in fact we witnessed

around 5 arrests one including a 92 year old man and that just shows the dedication that many people have to the cause of cures for financing for the rights the freedom of press the rights of the public to access information as well this case is not just about doing this job but actually the fundamental principles of the right to journalism freedom of press not just here in the united states of all the united states but worldwide. ok thank you there was. there outside westminster. that decision over an hour ago to deny bail to julian sarge. now the current head of wiki leaks understand is close friend kristinn hrafnsson as well as the jailed journalist partner stella morris have appealed to america's leadership to pardon. you still want. the president you know the state over one. living officer in the one i'm going

to quote your pardon. you want this to end. this is just what i should not be in this in the 1st place i. can't just drop the charges. and the president of the. party. or i will bring him out actually. activist good afternoon to you just firstly let's pick up on what was said there do you think president is there any chance that he could issue a pardon here. well i am very hopeful that what happened today will serve as a wake up call to the trumpet ministration as well as president trump i have long said that there is no better way for president trump to stand up to the state who have been undermining his presidency for the past 4 years and to pardon the man who

exposed the deep state which is julian assange president trump should honor assigned for his work it is also a great way to shape trump's legacy to show that he does stand up for press freedoms and that he is not accepting an individual's human rights consistently being violated as we're seeing with this case and with this latest decision by judge manesar bracer latest decision are you surprised by this is saying to me paper until you comes some thought there's a strong case against some thought there was a strong case for. i am somewhat surprised by this decision because just 2 days ago on line date the judge did include in her ruling that julian assigned to be immediately dismissed from belmarsh prison and discharged and when she had the opportunity to free him today and do just that she chose not to in this was based off of what i would call faulty arguments a history of absconding when the defense even said during work today that the

conditions that applied back then several years ago do not apply to date and also when it makes sense for us to believe the case is far safer in the united kingdom i believe that the judge her decision today was extremely cruel and i'm necessary for the u.s. prosecution's point of view they said look he's been denied by i think twice before he skipped by a before and he's also gone to great lengths to avoid extradition. seems to have one. it did unfortunately this judge has historically sided with the prosecution and the u.s. government but if you look at the reasoning behind this as sonship scott did while he was seeking asylum that has to be honored i believe that you can court has to honor that asylum and it's been completely disregarded and again as i said earlier the situation is different today as science has a fiance stella morris as well as 2 young children in the u.k. and yes every reason to stay there and also to there would be conditions applied to

this bail and the defense attorney today and were fitzgerald said he was willing to work with the judge on those conditions that would look like perhaps an 8 gold bracelet or at least going to a police station each day to show that he was hearing to the bail conditions and also to there were 2 other cases that were mentioned today in court by the defense that is the case that gary mckinnon and laurie love both of them based extradition to the united states both of them also were granted bail and they had conditions to their bail neither of them absconded and they've both won their cases in the extradition to the united states so i think the judge had every reason to grant this bail and she chose not to and i want to encourage supporters there is so much support for signs out there keep the fires going to pressure on and i hope that president trump will make the right decision in part a sign should stand up to the deep state in the democratic establishment ok we

should mention too that wiki leaks has said that they will release a song just noise that they will appeal against today's biol decision or noida point on the issue of the u.s. to pay but you've said that they intend to a pale but they haven't officially launched yet what are the chances of winning. that's a great question they do use they are saying that they are going to appeal the decision they have about 14 days to do so in fact during court today claire dobbin representing the u.s. government and the prosecution was already discussing the bail in the court which the judge actually had to tell her this is not the appropriate time to be talking about the appeal and i believe that if you look at previous cases as in the case of lori love he initially it was. his extradition was approved initially and then on appeal it was denied so appellate court seemed to more so rule in favor of the individual rather than the u.s.

government so i'm not sure it is likely however is going to be likely imprisoned throughout this entire time which is concerning because of coakley the african belmarsh prison is well as his mental health needs. that is essential to a scientist mental health that he has access to his family and his friends and right now because of the lockdown he's unable to visit with his family his fiancee in 2 young kids so the judge again had every reason to grant bail because it is in his best interest for his mental health for his life and also for the rest of the world in for press freedoms worldwide would also another argument perhaps tighter the look if the authorities were hoping to silence a songe they have done that because basically they have said that journalists cannot lift the lid on classified information in the public interest so really this sort of problem that governments have had before has been wiped out. is that the reason perhaps why the authorities wouldn't necessarily appeal this decision they

might just say ok well we can extradite him but he's quiet. but is he really quite though i mean right now he is and i believe that we do win this we will win this situation here in this legal battle but it depends on how badly the united states wants this precedent set and one has to be incorporated into u.s. jurisdiction and i think they want it pretty badly i think that this is also personal i think that there is a issue that the us establishment has with julian assange personally and that is also seen through the fact that this is a selective prosecution they are going after osama specifically when it was other organizations that also published the same documents that wiki leaks have published and in fact they were more careless in their measures when it came to the rejection process to get it was only julian a sign she was being specifically targeted and wiki leaks was not the 1st

organization to publish the state department cables which is not just being charged with publishing so i think that the u.s. government will continue to pursue this case and that is why champions to cardenas sign or better yet these charges need to be dropped by the d.o.j. tyler nice to the soft and i'm going to have to leave it there we've run out of time but i was a journalist and as a thank you. thank you ok well let's go back to london now and to our correspondent there shall be a huge stash he's outside the court where that decision was made not so long ago there were a lot of journalists are they saying to have disappeared things seem to have quietened down a bit nationally. absolutely things have certainly calmed down quite a bit since that initial ruling earlier today the fact that you know science has been denied bail form reading from a monumental decision just a few days ago when judith saunders actually told that he would not be sent to

being sent to the united states to face actually titian over there of course he is wanted by the united states what they call his alleged role in one of the largest compromises of classified information in the history of the united states if he was to be sent that pace of being charged over that he would have been behind bars for around 175 years to say he was hoping to be released on bail the united states would still not officially launched an appeals process just yet so right now it's still for his life is somewhat in limbo i'm not throwing professor vinson's from reporters without borders just to get an initial reaction then on today's ruling how does it go we are deeply disappointed with today's ruling which feels really unnecessarily cruel this very judge on monday outlined this response as serious health risks and mental health risks these are issues that will be exacerbated by a period of prolonged detention so his fees are grounds to prevent his actual dition which we agree that they are there also grounds for his immediate release

from prison she stated that he had been found said to have stunned or not is released on bail that he would be unlikely to present himself for justice she also stated that his mental health is being managed in belmarsh prison and that the prison has a code 1000 situation under control but that does not seem to be the case we've had alarming reports of the situation in the prison not have him nearly continuously in his cell for several weeks. and the evidence we heard in september about his state of mental health these are all issues that are made worse by detention so of course he should be released also the matter of principle is still here and for us we've called for some time for his unconditional release so not just because of these humanitarian concerns but as a matter of principle he has been detained only for publishing information in the public interest nobody should have to face what he has and it's been 9 years now and enough is enough this put could have made this right going forward and they failed to do so today. you know saga obviously is growing on the defense that it

was the puppets right to access information what does that mean going forward so the implications of monday's decision and then today's decision are really concerning from a journalism and press freedom perspective so while it was a relief that the decision was against extradition the substance of the rest of the decision leaves the door open for future similar persecutions so any journalist publisher or source could find themselves easily in the same position is truly innocent and if they were to publish the information these underlying issues have to be addressed as a matter of urgency we need strength in journalistic protections in the us in the u.k. and internationally or we can see other similar cases in the future but again it's not even over for julian assange and us today's decision shows the world we're really expecting bell to be granted of course you just saw it was hard to tell applications denied before today even an judah assault has been criticised by the united states and many others they say that the decision to do exhibition

changes everything according to a saugus team but actually the united states said he has gone to extraordinary lengths to avoid extradition this is hardly surprising is it it is disappointing and earlier before going into court i gave my assessment that there was a 5050 chance i do believe that because. we had feared the worst on monday and were pleasantly surprised at least to have the relieving decision. you know that actually dition would be barred even though the substance of the ruling was sufficient. this judge had the opportunity to break from the past legacy of persecution. but she has indeed been harsh and the posse has denied bail twice before she has even made decisions sometimes on smaller issues that could have made a big difference to us and not so much to the court proceedings that she has ruled against anyways for example in february she declined the application for him to sit in the well of the court with his legal team where he could follow proceedings properly and instruct his boyer's instead she laughs him in the glass dock at the

back of the courtroom like a violent criminal so you know this this this judge has been very harsh all along and in that regard i just know this is not terribly surprising but it is disappointing and for many people and me to be coming out of court said the justice will prevail it's very difficult to see this after a 10 year ordeal of treated us dog being in london's ecuadorian embassy that indeed in belmarsh prison is that gritty reality or just activists being credibly optimistic at this point well the court pleasantly surprised us in the extradition decision itself and i am confident that an appeal her stance is likely to change in the same moving i think the u.s. government would be very unlikely to get. to choose to succeed in an appeal but ultimately this case has always been political the motivations have been politically motivated and so the most expedient means to an end now would be a political solution. president elect biden has the opportunity to do to stop this endless persecution he could simply choose to close the books on the space to not

pursue the appeal any further that would be an ideal outcome at this stage because that would ensure that this is brought to an end now so we would call on him to as a matter of priority look at this case and take action enough is enough it's time to bring this to a close now you say that this case has always been political that's not exactly what the judge was saying 2 days ago or indeed today's shoot has ruled that it's not politically motivated. that of course has huge implications on other things like journalists and can you explain yes and that was one aspect of monday's decision that we deeply disagree with this case is clearly politically motivated the judge excluded that because of course political offense is a bar to extradition from the u.k. so she acknowledged that it was political that would have been the grounds for her decision not to extradite she refused to acknowledge that she accepted the prosecution's argument on that but it seems very clearly political the whole history of the way he was targeted the means and the timing of things so that is an

aspect that possibly an appeal could be examined further because there are there's very compelling evidence that the speech was a politically motivated let's get to the crux of the case then the united states government says it was not politically motivated and this was all about a judas saw and endangering the laws by publishing these classified documents obviously a dodgy under the espionage act and all giving that's a national security issue well the heart of the problem there is the espionage act itself which locks the public interest to fund the chunk administration has aggressively pursued a number of whistleblowers under the stock now and astonish is the 1st publisher that would have been prosecuted under the stars if a journalist publisher or source finds themselves in this situation they cannot defend themselves because the court cannot take into consideration whether the publication of information was in the public interest and in fact you know things have been very heavy handed with the leakers themselves but this is different julian assange did not leak this information he published this information it was given to him by another party one of the charges here was starting from the

computer fraud and abuse starts this alleged solicitation of hacking that the u.s. government has a large that a son jocularly solicited this information but the u.s. government did not provide compelling evidence of such nor did they provide evidence of this knowing risk that they claim that he created for sources it has been 10 years the u.s. government has employed vast resources if there. it was evidence of even a single person coming into physical harm as a result of the publication of these documents that would have been presented to the party and it was not so the us does not seem to have any ground to stand on and in fact the defense has presented a compelling argument on the contrary that assigns did. to it to protect sources and the publication of the leaks documents in itself can could have had a positive impact for some cases as well we heard testimony from. one person who had been actually the result of

a case of mistaken identity with the cia had been rendered and tortured and the wiki leaks publication of the documents pertaining to this case hopes his own legal cases own fight for justice so there will be many other stories like that too so i think what we're looking at is now a situation of we need to see big evidence the u.s. had its chance to present the evidence they didn't what it does and what it has presented to court are 2 different things how the united many tell us what all he is about the united states is trying to set a precedent with julian assange and his case but that kind of makes sense doesn't it considering they argue that you're an assault has been an absolute threat to them and they have certainly made an example of him and i believe fully that it was intended to have a chilling effect on media around the world and so despite the fact that he has not been extradited and he has not been tried in the u.s. the past 10 years of what he hasn't heard that in itself will be a deterrent to many that will have no doubt resulted in pulse censorship we will never know what stories were not published as

a result of how he's been perceived also monday's ruling will contribute to that monday's decision that the substance of the decision will have a chilling effect in particular our national security reporter and i do believe that was the intention all along and how the u.s. government has pursued julian assange just assign a message to others that if you leak or if you publish this is what will happen to you and on that note rebecca vincent thank you so much. joining us not for profits and from reporters without borders so it is wrapping up here outside western it's not a straight sporty has been a very dramatic day indeed as soon as that. came out today we saw it. being told to leave the area but also campaign as an activist as well in fact we witnessed ourselves many people even being arrested being told to go. off and leave and that really is just testament to how much and how much dedication activism campaign is in support this conflict you in the song just because they would all

get so interested in the scientists in the top here inside the criminal justice system in the united kingdom but actually in the docs is the fundamental principles of the freedom of press the rights of the public to access information and of closed this case today really does in caps say this idea that the u.k. justice system the united states justice system is trying to intimidate journalism worldwide. ok thank you shadi that was. reporting for us live from london thank you. ok well let's bring in italy. because in we've heard a lot of reaction today and over the last week about events but what's been the reaction coming from the united states well andrew release on bail or no release on bail as we understand right now the assumption is that the u.s. government will keep fighting till the very end to achieve their ultimate goal and that is of course the extradition of julian assange to the u.s.

under the espionage this is something that has already proven as a complete nightmare for quite a few journalists now for the u.s. side the only legal option is of course to appeal and it looks like this is what they're going to do after the decision earlier this week by the british court not to hand join a saga over. america. while we are extremely disappointed in the court's ultimate decision we are gratified that the united states prevailed on every point of law raised in particular the court rejected all of mr sanders arguments regarding political motivation political offense fair trial and freedom of speech we will continue to seek mr sanders extradition to the united states. for those of you who have not followed the julia solemn saga in its entirety for example the 7 years

of self confinement at the accord or an embassy in london the 1st question would probably be what is it that joining the songe has done that infuriated the entire american political political elite so much senior government officials various politicians both republican and democrat one of them famously saying it was time to shoot down the son of and you know the curse words that followed well it is the fact that joy revealed so much that damaged the u.s. image as a state and getting access and then publishing these confidential documents that revealed what many would see as war crimes that's tremendous damage for the image so just for you to get out of a standing of what exactly he published and look at the timeline we've prepared the summary.

to. look at all we're going to. go to the correct any 1000000 of those who're. wiki leaks walks like a hospital told us that talks like a hot cold turkey. well

the u.s. was after julian assange under barack obama the u.s. was after drawing a sausage under donald trump we've not seen a pardon from him and it looks like we're nowhere near it with joe biden coming in who once famously called julian assad a high tech terrorist ok thank you. for trying. if you're watching us the international be back with more news on this. story the breaking news the softening is that he has been denied bail by a london court that followed a decision on monday to block his extradition to the united states. the world is driven by dreamers shaped by one person with those words.

the day or thinks. we dare to ask. can use an r.t. to the dismay of his supporters wiki's co-founded you in the song has been denied by you and will remain in custody pending washington's appeal on his extradition u.k. court turned down the u.s. request on monday over concerns that a song would commit suicide but a song is legal to say he hasn't given up they are they are saying that they are going to a pale wednesdays decision. this denial of baby the most likely hood fluke the appeals to the high court within hours for a few days and we.