because of the words i'm sure the are the big one sure deal. breaking news an r.t. to the dismay of his supporters wiki leaks co-founder jude in the sun just being denied bail and will remain in custody pending washington's appeal on his extradition u.k. court turned down the u.s. request on monday over concerns that this would commit suicide but it sounds as legal team hasn't given up though saying that they are going to appeal wednesday's decision. this denial of being able to get most likelihood the appeal to the high court if you know we're sure a few days. we. will expect this to be all over to.

follow their good evening watching r.t. international just come 5 o'clock here in the russian capital that will start this hour with breaking news because wiki leaks co-founder to bring the sanchez being denied bail by a london court it does follow a decision to block his extradition earlier this week to the united states over concerns about his poor health and means that disarms will now remain in custody pending any appeal by the u.s. justice department. ok well let's get the latest now with our correspondent shadi edwards stache he's outside westminster magistrates' court in london where all the events took place today shadid just bring us up to speed then on how things are unfolding.

so the united kingdom earlier today has denied today in the sunshine bail of course that comes just 2 days after they've ruled not to actually doubt your innocence to the united states has been long long legal battle for june assault because the united states of want it into his alleged role in what they call one of the largest compromises of classified information the history of the united states they wanted him to face trial for spying and publishing these classified documents relating to the war in our iraq and afghanistan and plus one of conspiracy to hack government computers to publish these files as well now if you was found guilty it could have led to a maximum sentence of 175 years behind bars served you design to the sense of being spared that fate for now at least but he is certainly not spared the fate of going back into the u.k.'s most notorious prison of belmarsh prison because he has not been granted bail in all of this now to listen to steve evidently said that they

will be appealing this latest decision they say it's a great disappointment not to release him on bail they say it's unjust and unfair also we've heard from craig murray one of his key supporters a former u.k. ambassador is called it incredibly vindictive. but i think this is indicative i mean the prosecution. in. opposing. a great deal of play a very rigid snowden on the part that gets through to. justice. very very. a great deal of play for them the damage to american national security the dragging the sand the registry down. that this is plainly the security state looking to show it can trust it's a prudent state that this is this is indicative it's not based on anything rash and then that following from that discuss that 2nd priority of the act campaign on the political journalistic freedom of expression and also the rights of the public to

access information all of these things and now i'll get really. really on the line here with you great. because i think too i think it's very important we managed to get these arguments from is why the points in front of a high court i mean i should say. it should always been very plain to me. but just today there was very very beatable on those points by the prosecution. and we don't too well you that we have a government group willing to argue these things that will trouble the american system that they have a government which is a perfect good looking to write law to get it done that ignore the 1st amendment and say that. national security information should be cannot be be published or you'd be liable to just an object with which is what they are saying in terms for no it's very very necessary but that the campaign goes on and we continue to try to

overthrow the implications of all this. bullshit is on his defense team found this a very festive pill to swallow especially considering that money went to this isn't just 2 days ago not to educate you in a song to the united states but then it really was case closed in that sense because to put them particularly he now is already served his sentence the 2nd bell back in 20 trial for the still in the must present but what is his crime they argue in terms of adding in the court itself they search and they really try to justify you innocent. action so that he would not be upstanding from any cult conditions however tight they could have been he would have been fired by them today for them on the basis of his new foundation right here in the united kingdom we know you have 2 very young children with his partner stella morris she earlier before even the court proceedings 2 days ago she said that it was something to celebrate that money was a decision 2 days ago for sure the only celebrate when you walk through the door back into that sound in the hard safe is that it's

a really pretty disappointing flow today and rebecca vincent from reporters without borders says she too is very disappointed as many of the journalists are. deeply disappointed with today's ruling which feels really unnecessarily cruel this very judge on monday outlined this response as serious health risks and mental health risks these are issues that will be exacerbated by a period of prolonged detention so he sees or grounds but is actually dishing which we agree that they are there also grounds for his immediate release from prison she stated that he had incentive to have stunned and not for these some veiled that he would be unlikely to present himself for justice she also stated that his mental health is being managed in belmarsh prison and that the prison has a code $1000.00 situation under control but that does not seem to be the case we've had alarming reports of the situation in the prison not have him nearly continuously with his cell for several weeks now. and the evidence we've heard in

september about his state of mental health peace are all issues that are made worse by detention so of course he should be released also the matter of principle is still here for us we called for some time for his son conditional release so not just because of these humanitarian concerns but as a matter of principle he has been detained only poor publishing information in the public interest nobody should have to face what he has in the front yourself enough is enough to put it this right going forward and they failed to do so today. the legal team always spacesuits. challenge convincing the u.k. court because the judge had already refused to accept any bail applications twice previously for for now the united states legal team team even said it unison to sponsor extraordinary and extreme lengths to avoid extradition of course referring to the very fact that you have a son went to seek political asylum in london's ecuadorian embassy therefore skipping bareback in 2012 he was there for a whopping 7 and

a half years before he was infamously hauled out of london that could or him and the c. 5 british police back in april of 2019 he then went about march prison to serve the 50 we get things out but he is still 30 this very day but in terms of tuna sound his job was a journalist he is a journalist and in terms of journalism worldwide and you have to remember that the church 2 days ago did not bear out the case based on journalistic grounds or political grounds but only his medical health and medical health and learn in fact she accepted every single argument that the u.s. throughout the course saying that you the sort of case is not politically motivated that he would face a fair trial in the united states on the u.s. is constitutional law and she said that his actions were not in public interest so many people would argue that this confounds the narrative of criminalizing investigative journalism. was the impact is huge. in every journalism around the world. because now there's

a person. in the british judicial system. a judge past and. past basically supported by. the political arguments for persecuting julian assange so is it is this is very very political case if they're going to try to apply impugn espionage or not this is a political case there 5 julian assange is in prison without serving a sense. it shows that he's a political prisoner so. we might save julian and then he might not spend the rest of his life in prison but the risk. for journalists on the wall is they're still there because. if somebody is in the future there's to do what julian did what wiki leaks did to publish the

same feelings or similar things they will be persecuted and they can be allies for that. so today has been a very dramatic day indeed in fact the last 2 days have been very dramatic for us the on monday's decision without that not executing a song and then today not to grant him bail is incredibly best to streets and we see activists and supporters not just hits a day or 2 days ago but long throughout innocent this ordeal they have been here day in day out but this for them you know sons is a violent crime painted for truth and justice he has not committed a crime but all you have done is publish and showing the world the truth in their opinions of the united states and their criminal activities in iraq and afghanistan in fact today they were so determined and eager enthusiastic to be here for this court case that so many people have even been arrested by police for being outside the westminister magistrate's court i myself witnessed around 5 people being

arrested including a 92 year old man and it really just goes to show you the levels of determination because they feel it's not just here in the surface in the gulf it passing through the criminal justice system and trying to avoid the criminal justice system in the united states but also sits in the gulf is the fundamental principles of freedoms of 1st the rights express yourself the rights of the poor but also device for the public's access to information and journalism of course is a 10 year battle and it's having a churning up. on television not just here in the u.k. not the united states but worldwide. thank you shadier shadi edward stashed reporting in london ok let's bring in the u.k. china some broadcaster to new york clark i think he's with us a saving. yes he is good to see you neal thanks for coming back on. your show response then to

today's decision just listening to some of the reaction we've heard people saying that this decision was vindictive and unnecessary is that how you see it. what i think the only surprising thing about this decision today is really anybody surprised by i was like everybody else very pleased to hear the surprise news on monday that he wouldn't be extradited to the u.s. but only had one glass of champagne on monday because you know of this because this was a big one and i didn't fear to be honest that his extradition that his bail request would be turned down i didn't think it was helpful in the circumstances the mexican saying that he could have asylum we know that they made that offer free of course the americans. use that as an argument for denying him bail to say look he could just. take asylum in the mexican embassy like he did at your embassy so i was optimistic today and i think you know the battle is still

a long way to run given the curious thing is that on monday extradition was blocked on the basis of concerns over his health but it seemed to be no concern about his health today. well yeah i mean it seems that having judge perry says that you know that was the stated reason that she was because the fear of julia committing suicide in an american jail which apparently isn't there when he's in belmarsh he seems to be quite happy that there's no chance of that happening belmarsh and he can stay there for longer but not to the u.s. it's a question of what is the difference that they have in the belmarsh jail that they would have in the united states jail that would prevent that happening clearly the judge seems to think that there is a difference that his mental health is fine i keep him in bell lost who knows how long for now but not to actually go up to the u.s. that it does seem rather strange isn't on the face of it on the face of it i suppose though that the courts and the judge must have felt the strong reasons not to grant him bail in and i think the case put forward by the prosecution is that

look he's been denied by all twice before he skipped biol before and also he went to great lengths to avoid extradition in the 1st place i mean all that yes true isn't it. it is true and you can't deny that and that's why i was an optimist and that's why as i said i wasn't i didn't enjoy any of the euphoria that many other kind of this going on monday that was understandable it was a 1st for the good news that the campaign if you have had call for a long time but of course you know if you looked at it logically you would say that of course the prosecution is going to make in that case look this guy who has a scone going from bell before he went to the ecuadorian embassy he could go to another embassy now. we can't grant him bail of course that's what the judge decided so it was always always going to be on crickey ground islam why wasn't optimistic and and of course the fact is is that the the. legal team said look they

had an ankle tac they said he would stay out of the great arguable sanders you know london is in lockdown anyway so. you know i put it about 70 percent chance that bail would not be gone to and that's how it's proved to be yeah but jamie you pretty pessimistic then on any chances of this this decision being i returned. i don't think i think if there is an appeal which i got there is don't. want to i can't see a change i can't see. but simply can't see it because i think it's a market today to get by the very person it was helpful to mexicans coming up with that because it was the worst possible time because the defense julian legal team was saying look you've got nowhere to go. you'll stay home you'll be ankle tracked etc and then of course we hear other countries saying look you can have asylum it was particularly help to julie at this particular at this particular time looking ahead to the appeal that everybody's expecting then on the extradition from the

united states what are the chances that they might win that because the judge i mean if she's just looking at fact and she's decided that no no on grounds of ill health you know he can't go given that no new evidence can be submitted it would be quite hard to win that would you think. yes i would expect the americans if they do pursue this they said they would they would homing in on this. of the reasons why she has refused to get a reason only reason she's refusing because she believes that he would be a suicide risk in american crew american jailed so the american side it obviously don't try to say to their appeal look we have mechanisms in place we will have 247 guards of this man who will make sure there's no way he can commit suicide i think that's what they're going to give they're going to hold me on that point because as we know as we've heard from the reports before that the judge basically did not say that putin was accent there were no articles amendments protecting him it was just

this single issue is safety in american jails so if the americans can actually put a case together to try to overcome that. you know the dangers aren't over yet by a long long way and i think obviously the defense team even will be aware of that they will obviously be making out in their representation that it is too dangerous for him to go to the u.s. so you know i don't want to sound negative but as i said i had one last account they are not only have another glass really wants julian walks out of bell mosque and that could be sometime in the future yet what what are your phasor concerns about the future of journalism the whole thing about jena saunders that he was revealing state secrets in the public interest but it looks like you know the authorities have put the kybosh on that. absolutely and that's the key point about the brace to gudgeon mint is that. craig murray said in your interview just before hand you know the security is a security state the empire's you like the u.s.

and britain saying quite clearly this is no defense you want to do this stuff you're going to be punished and it was a good government brace to make it quite clear that he wasn't saying that journalists have exceptions all journalists are protected in any way if you if you get what the premises are if you get to the gate of matters which we deem essential for national security to say thing will can and will probably happen to you if you're a journalist who wants to go down this path and it's a deterrent effect obviously any journalist watching this what you what's happened to julian. who would really it's be honest want to put themselves through this if they have a family their loved ones it's a terrible thing that's happened during his torment his persecution he's ordeal continues and they want it to be like that they wanted to be like that because of course they want other journalists from going down this same passage warnings i'm afraid a very very clear that any journalist who goes down the park you know songe gate

will have face the same consequences canaille it will leave it there but good to get your thoughts that was neil clark u.k. journalist and broadcaster thanks a lot. now after today's decision the current head of wiki leaks in the songes close friend christine concern as well as the jail journalist part mestalla morris did appeal to america's leadership to pardon him. we still want. the president united states over one. soon leaving office and the one coming in to consider pardons. we want this to end. this. week. julian should not be in prison in the 1st place. i heard they are going to just drop the charges. and the president of the. party thanks. for all let's assess the american position and all of this with it we heard it

there and it paled to pardon. but i mean what is the what is the chance of that happening and what has been the american reaction while released on bail hor no release on bail the assumption is that the u.s. government will do what it has been doing for quite a while fight till the very end to achieve their ultimate goal and that is the extradition of joy in a songe under the espionage act which has already proved as a nightmare for quite a few journalists so it looks like now for the u.s. authorities the legal option is to appeal and that's what they're going to do and that's going to be an appeal to the decision for this is one that came on monday not to extradite julian to the u.s. this was the immediate reaction from the u.s. department of justice. while we are extremely disappointed in the court's ultimate decision we are gratified that the united states prevailed on every points of law

raised in particular the courts rejected all of mr saunders arguments regarding political motivation political offense fair trial and freedom of speech we will continue to seek mr sanders extradition to the united states. for those that have not extensively followed to the fate of joy in a song you can take any chapter of it for instance 7 years of self confinement at the door an embassy incredible for these people the number one question would perhaps be what has mr songs done that really caused that much of a store a stir why is the us political elite hate him so much why are the infuriated why did some people say it was time to shoot and kill the son of a and you know the words that fold then well it is that damage that he has done to the image of the us as a country as a nation as a state and there you have it getting access and then publishing all these

documents classified documents and materials that point to some terrible things that some would consider war crimes this is something that earns you a reputation of a fearless journalist with some but makes you an enemy of a state with others so here's a summary you put together for you of the skeletons of the closet reveal.

the n.s.a. collect any data a 1000000 of those who're. wiki leaks walks like a hostile intelligence or talks like a hostile takeover. so what's with the biggest decision makers in america the presidents that have the right to pardon mr. obama it became abundantly clear what the administration's line is when it comes to the whistleblower but under donald trump there was hope that there could be some kind of u.-turn because we know the reputation of mr truro trump of basically everything. which is totally opposite to what barack

obama was up to but the rhetoric didn't change much there were no decisions that were announced that run run counter to what we previously saw and even this free of pardoning that has been up to lately joining us wasn't on the list now we've got joe biden the president elect we can remember how and when the 10 he called you in this saga high tech terrorists so in this regard it looks like things will change in any case and like we heard from department of justice they will be appealing they still want that extradition and if it happens we know that julian could be facing almost 2 centuries. ok thank you and maybe that was. ok well let's get the fusion io of independent cheerless jared area who joins us good evening to you thanks for your time this evening what are your thoughts on

this how saga that we've seen this past week on the blocking of the extradition but now the denial of. seems like a cruel joke to a son ch on monday she said she was blocking him from being extradited because of his severe risk of suicide of course in a u.s. prison however on monday she noted in that judgment on monday when she blocked extradition and in the written document that assad had made out of will that he talked constantly to prison authorities and prison psychologists about committing suicide that he constantly called the samaritan hotline and in britain the suicide hotline and every reason of blade and i wrote were found in his cell and today she sent him sending him back to that very prison and this is what some extraordinary that's what's leading we can leagues to appeal this denial of bail to the high court a christian having seen the editor in chief we can rick said outside the courtroom

and that would be even within hours or days but certainly they want to go forward and try to get this he said it he said it was completely uncensored go and i'm just an illogical that she'd say 2 days after that ruling she'd send him back to belmarsh where his issues were his health issues were very much. because of being in belmarsh odets very very hard to understand why she did this also the issue of covert 19 in the prison became i think unfortunate for the a songe defense in an important issue one point at which it's joke you see your 1st son's and well i don't want to make this the big issue today in this bail hearing to kohut itched situation inside belmarsh and you could hear as i watch this i wish i had a video link up to the from consortium news on the air in chief concern is we've got prevention so watch this and you could hear the rates of cover groaning when he said that that we are not. when he said groaning when she

said. that covert wasn't a big issue the thing was this that the defense said there were 59 people inside the prison would go over 1000. before christmas the prosecution cleared up for the for the prosecution for the u.s. side said there were only 3 based on a police report from last night but what's happened to those 56 people were they moved out of the prison into hospitals the issue is most of that covert could come back in a big way the prison is locked down no visitors are allowed all of england right now is locked down so this code issue i think will be fact and very importantly also in his decision as accepting the prosecution's argument that it's not such a bad situation when there's only 3 people there now if it was 2 weeks now there could be 100 people there so it was are lucky that they only had 3 tonight or have people been moved out is a very troubling part of this decision to and joe just lastly because we've only got one minute left but. what's your opinion then on the chances of an

a pale that's being launched by america has your opinion changed over the last sort of 48 hours to say because on monday there was a lot of achieve relation now among a sound support is quite a lot of pessimism. you know as in change all about the fact that the us since a week for an appeal to one thing. the high court in britain either never or mary rarely has ever overturned an extradition judgment based on health reasons and not exactly what she was arrested on was nothing to do with press freedom or anything like that she completely ruled with the united states on everything even to the point where saying was understandable in a way that the us tried to poison or kidnapping him in the embassy because they were concerned about his activities that chills you or mentality here so i think they have a weak case but the fact that he has to stay in jail maybe up to 2 years at the these appeals worked their way through this is extraordinarily dangerous for a guy who was already and very bad health so if you were sincere about worrying

about his health and denying extradition how could you turn around today and strong back in that prison which is one of the main reasons for his health conditions she did point out that british prisons are nowhere near as bad as american prisons i mean it's undoubtedly true nonetheless he tried to commit suicide inside belmarsh that's where she sent him back to that we're going to leave it at your thoughts that was terry loughrea independent janice thanks for coming on. ok then to give you a quick recap of today's main story judea songe will remain in british custody following a court hearing in london the wiki leaks co-founder was denied by a with the judge saying he posed a flight risk and the decision does come on the back of monday's ruling that blocks the whistle blower's extradition to the united states on the grounds that this could commit suicide songes defense team say today's ruling is a setback and devalue to a pale so that's the latest we're back again with more stories in 30.

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