a global impact as a global coronavirus pandemic continues to take lives not least in the united states itself let's go straight to the white house and speak to one of president trump's closest coronavirus advisers reza scott atlas thank you so much god for coming on you interpret the data how bad is coded in the usa i'm sure you know that the democrat leaning mainstream media says it's corona virus that could spell the end of the trump presidency. ok well thanks for having me well i mean it is a it's a it's a deadly pandemic there's no under stating that we've had not 230000 lies roughly lost and from the from the virus and certainly many many loss from the policy of shutdowns so it's tragic there's no question about that but if you want to know what's happening right now i think there's a gross distortion that his surrogates typical of the reporting on this and that is

that there's this frenzy of focusing on the number of cases when we see a lot of reasons to be sort of you know cautiously optimistic here rather than fearful and those reasons are very important for people understand 1st of all the cases number the case number is not the most important matter what's important to understand is that the vast majority of people that are getting these cases are lower risk healthier people we're doing a better job protecting the elderly and it's you know the high risk people diseases that really really only to the elderly and high risk people and what i mean by that is not that 0 people die but the risks to younger people is extremely low for any serious illness this is the data you know i mean 99.997 percent of

people do fine at r.'s 018 for instance and so we have we have a lot of good things happening here 1st of all we see the case the taliban rate is much not just much lower than what we thought it was in the beginning but it is decreasing for every age that's sile and i look at the data from that that's sile of age and even for people 80. 5 and older 75846527411 the fatality rates are decreasing so even if when they get sick they have a last chance of dying when we have a patient hospitalized mortality rate of in the hospital is half of what it was at the peak the length of stay in hospital is one 3rd of what it was at the peak you know we have. no real problem although occasionally there's an isolated hospital that's overcrowded but we're doing everything the administration is. really you

know up for repair and ship mobilize resources beds personnel to prevent hospital overcrowding we haven't had a problem like that there's never been a patient by the way in the us that even the battle later that was not able to be put on i'm not a single patient and so we see a lot of cases we do not see in an explosion of that's people are dying there's no understating that we're doing more and more to protect the elderly and the people who might die and you know i'm personally involved in that sort of thing and making sure that we don't just write policies but we actually have implementation of action so what the administration's been doing is sending a prioritization but massive amount of personal protective equipment to senior care centers to senior centers instant you know 15 minute testing to prevent inflow of cases from nursing home staff that's where the cases come from massive task

potentials you know testing going to senior centers for seniors frequent socially ok and the things like that so lots of drugs are being developed we expect any day in emergencies authorization for a drug we'll see you know there's a lot of promise and then i understand from that than the that maybe why you know president nixon all domestic on the campaign trail has he seen the university of washington study that says. there will be 500000 dead by february kind of contradicting the new york your lack of correlation between cases and the i hate your. the i hate to me model is really sort of it's absurd to start looking at that model at this point some of the things in that model. i'll give you an example if you look at the academic literature by epidemiologists who have looked at that model. for even 24 hours later on a state by state prediction of us for 24 hours in advance they were outside of

their 94 or 5 percent confidence interval more than 70 percent of the time i mean the model is it's absurd to think that model and predict for instance how many people are going to die with and without masks where i mean this kind of thing is at this point in time anybody who's really focusing on models is has learned nothing from the past and by the way we have a massive amount of data i don't understand the 6 ation that some people still pay out on these you know on these models that are sensationalizing things we have the data we know who's it risks we know who's not we understand how to social distance and protect people with hygiene when you're close to somebody it's reasonable to wear a mask if they're i respect secular or if you are there's all kinds of things we do we have robert on progress on things and yet people are talking about modern ideas

. so obviously you advise trump not to do except that that particular model do you do support the wearing of mosques now because previously and this relates to information during the pandemic i understand twitter deleted a tweet of you was about mosques so it's really good question i guess i wasn't and i never heard there's been ciro change in my belief or the president's belief about mast 0 what was the lead. well let me state the policy that i advised and that he has stated dozens and dozens of times where i've asked when you cannot socially distance particularly when you are high risk or near a high risk person that's that's what that's a reasonable policy it is unreadable it is irrational and that i will tell you what was the lead on twitter it is irrational to think that you should wear a mask when you're in the middle of a desert when you're in your car driving all alone when you're running outside in

a park all all that is not rational you don't even have to be a scientist to understand that that is absurd and that is a result of the fear instilled by people who just insist on sort of these kinds of os it's not really analyzing that they had on the sites and what was deleted on twitter was the following i just tweeting that the mask mandates generalize population use mass do not work from the empirical data point number one and i listed in l.a. county miami dade county state of hawaii state of alabama spain and france the u.k. everywhere in the word israel all kinds of places where general population massed mandates were used and people were using mass and the cases exploded it's through those times frank that's fact actually not arguable that a light number on that was what's in that village is

a sin i just take it back and let me finish it you bro who asked the 2nd part that was in that suite that was deleted were no comments from me whatsoever simply literal quotes from the w.h.o. website from the center for evidence based medicine oxford professor anikin from the study of the c.d.c. on it's lots of those were quotes there was not even an opinion expressed you. yet somehow the facts that are contrary to 8 beliefs are deleted from twitter i think this is the bigger issue than mask is the deletion of that tweet the bigger issue is that sometimes we're in a world now it seems that somehow information that is contrary to what people want to have you did you did you complain touchy did you complain to to it because you obviously have a constitution that guarantees research reach in the affected states ask what it is 100 rat right now that constitution is under threat and i think this is

a muslim they say. what did they say to me i can't tell the way twitter works as they deleted the tweet and they froze my accountant and i said ok there's a way to click on a box and. you know peel appeal and so i appealed the course of box to appeal doesn't allow a winds the you know essay and i appealed and then i waited 6 hours and then i thought ok well my account is frozen while it's being appealed so i said fine just i accept that tweet was deleted well obviously if they can if they did i leave it at that and i quit breaking bad box and 12 hours went by before my account was really if they can delete a senior adviser in the white house coronavirus task force then that's obviously quite something tell me how politicized the response to this pandemic is because you've been talking about the working classes of america and the impact of lockdowns and so on do you think that do you think that so-called mainstream media understands your concerns about the working classes of america well i think the

working class understands the concerns of the working class of america i mean one of the lockdowns have been one of the one of will go down as an attic failure of public policy i keep a who refused to accept they were wrong were wrong words used to exact they were on the didn't know the data didn't care and became a frenzy but stopping cold like 980 says at all costs and those costs are massive and what's. happened here is that the argument is undeniable the lockdowns are killing people but they're not really impactful lot downs and by lockdowns i don't mean everyone frozen in time and there's a suit all alone in a room because that's easy to say oh we're not for lock outs but what they are for are testing asymptomatic since signing people into isolation from their work from their family for 7 for 14 days closing in person schools closing businesses fast lockdown and what we see is that

a lot of downs really are not impactful that people even like me ok it's for me for people that are sort of i have a great job upper class asked relatively affluent people who political class media class these people aren't impacted because they still have their jobs their children are underfoot it's inconvenient but that's not the same thing as what we see in working class and lower class lower socioeconomic class people where they've lost their jobs suicides are going way out drug abuse is going on the way out you know we're creating a generation of the raga children and forcing them to wear masks and be 6 feet apart from their friends or not even to have school in person you know we see in the u.s. people 18 to 2425 percent of them college is shoots one out of 4 sort of killing themselves in the month of june due to the locked up this is a massive tragedy of epic proportion and there's more and more data coming out on

this and i wrote about this back i think in april or may way before i came here and i wasn't the villain of the world when i wrote it but when you come up and you stand next to the president i did states in an attempt to help the country in the biggest crisis in the world you must be destroyed by the media in the united states and so it's a it's a sad statement on america that is a us is there over this but the point is that the public health leadership have a thing. they old agree just lee and they're killing people with their fear inducing shutdown policies they are literally killing professors call us a sufi them all from pres a call at us after this break. i

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a few days to go before the election to attack the profits of the big pharmaceutical companies. i think what he's doing is he's attacking. sort of the the asymmetry in prices then you know people are paying for drugs here in the u.s. but i think you have to look at the policies that he's done and understand where he's coming from because in drug pricing in the u.s. on the 1st time in decades under the trump administration the prices came down the consumer price index for pharmaceuticals came down that's never been done for decades i haven't seen it historically beyond decades ago but that's the 1st time and so acts from increased competition deregulation making prices making drug prices sensitive to the demand of a payer which in this case is the patient and the more you have the patient be the paper by transparency and stuff like that the price come down the what he's trying to do is pressure prices to come down by saying ok maybe the prices should be as

good as they are in the rest of the world so you know we'll see what happens with the prices in the rest of the world it's not necessarily clear we'll see what happens but i think he's fighting for the consumer of course we're talking about plus a moment ago the stimulus checks that americans watching this program will be interested in do you see the democrat opposition in congress again as a health issue when it comes to coronavirus the lack of any stimulus check they'll . it's hard to deny that it's political in our the we're in the middle of a very very contentious election year as everybody knows and you know but it is sad i think again like i'm not a political appointee i have 0 interest in politics in fact i have a distaste for politics which has been heightened during this when you see politicians just hold off on various things that they would normally think are important for for consumers or for individuals and society and they are

representing these people holding off for political reasons it's really it's disgusting and tragic and i don't even know what say it i mean when when you are looking into the strategy why would a country like south korea a democracy backed by the united states capital seoul bigger than chicago or london why would it only have $460.00 deaths. well there's a lot of reasons to explain and i think it's very naive for people to make these broad conclusions about why countries differ but 1st of all you know south korea they it all the countries in asia i think there's reason to believe that a lot of asian countries have a west impact from sars too because they have a lot more experience biologically with related viruses and that could be sars go on at the other coronaviruses and we see the data from a singapore taking blood samples from subjects who get sars won 17 years ago

and when you look at their study it showed a very robust response to exposure to this virus 17 years later and there's a lot of reasons to suspect that serves some. protection on an immunological basis from various other viruses but there's all kinds of differences in populations you get on treacherous ground to start comparing country to country and then pointing about something the only way to really do things is by something called access mortality rates rather than deaths for capital because of course that's for capita for instance are determine how you categorize a death in the united states we have a we do not require a positive test for the corona virus to call somebody a death we include asked for from anything associated with the corona virus or coded as a cause of death for colds and then we add that and let us try and head and there's nothing there's nothing that president john boyle white house toss was could have

done to rewrite the rules on death certificates. you know desart tend to get coding in the united states is almost an are going to science it's up to the doctor but i want to correct you it's not my task force not say that i better know what what do you make of your a colleague dr anthony fauci calling you an outlier and he was concerned about you well why would he be sound i don't know why i can't speak for doctors but i can say this i'm proud to be an outlier. as specially when the in wires are completely wrong so you know i'm going to pray to be a contrarian because i know i'm right and that that's a that's a lot of will far more defamatory to billy is bill gates wouldn't what did you feel when he called you a pseudo expert and i should say it's gates who is funding all these different vaccine trials. well i didn't even know about it until someone pointed it out to me

because i frankly don't care what somebody like bill gates says i mean i i being british does not confer expertise that i would say point number one and you know point number 2 is i feel very good about not only my own expertise my own cd i'm a pump i'm a health care policy person who work in the survey 15 years i happen to also have 25 years of medical science experience at the highest levels of academic medicine but you know let's put it this way what i have been advocating has been sadly based on the science i've been saying it since at least march i said it personally in my own phone in february i've written about it since march i've said nothing's wrong and it's been fallin aided by now over 11000 epidemiologists and high level you know and medical science people who have signed on to this great

barrington declaration which basically aligns with most of what i have said which is protect the high risk people. prevent hospital overcrowding with resources so that people can get their medical care and open schools and you know and businesses and society and that by the way is a policy and based on the data and i speak to some of the world's best epidemiologists almost literally every day for the past 78 months ok i'm not waiting it here but when people hear things they don't want to believe instead of changing the argument instead of using the argument about the facts people that are inherent and not on each simple insecure with their own knowledge colon ad hominum attack and you know i don't really have time for that i'm busy here doing one say in that is trying to save a life for the american people that's what my goal is here and the way i do that is i know what i'm talking about i get advice from. all kinds of experts from all

kinds of fields and i try to advise the president appropriately on the right obviously the w.h.o. rejects the great barrington declaration and for all what you say about bill gates say he does have a lot of money and he has arguably a lot of power why do you think say in london our committee is not they're not there in fights between members of the committee carried out in public and certainly no big titans of industry slamming people on the expert committees of government i don't think even in european capitals is it something about the the american body politic. i think that this yeah i think you know i know a sinatra goot in the u.k. she's going to the world's best an infectious disease epidemiologist and i think she's been battered quite a bit. but i would say this that the u.s. is the u.s.

has a lot of positives and a lot of you know people are very more interactive but right now the country's off the rails the countries off the rails because there is this hysteria that has been it's you will by the faces of public health experts easier than ever and not only wrong but more interested i believe in their own stature than anything else and you know you've got to look at the data and part of the public policy leadership in my view is to understand what you're talking about to make sure that people who are you know regular people out there understand that you have a good understanding and you have a rational commonsense ossy instead of wringing your hands every other day what we don't know what we should be doing is saying what we know because we know quite a bit and you know there are there's a hysteria here that is you will buy i currently on social media. maybe the culture of the united states but also undeniably the fact that we're in this very polarized you know time point of this election that has made things

a lot worse and you know i'm hoping if i can be optimistic about something that things will sort of become a little bit more rational once the election is decided course i don't i don't i don't have a tremendous expectation that they had but i'm i'm both ok i mean you have president obama has been helping joe biden you may have heard him say you know he had a pandemic response team it was destroyed by the trump administration do you think that the 200220000 death toll in the united states is an echo of the decision to. double. the national security council directorate for global security and defense they had is completely false in terms of claiming that there's some kind of a great hand that mick response team that was inherited here it is just simply false period i happen to know what was best that what was here when not for this

all star the 2nd point though is the question of that you know the decimeter listen we have a we have a deadly disease here for people who are at high risk there's no denying that it's it's it's it's really a heinous sort of unconscionable lie to claim that oh my god we should we should have had no deaths other than incompetence or some kind of the way it ministration is done a tremendous amount here being caught blindsided with 0 stockpile by the way 0 preparation inherited from the previous administration and to suit you know mobilize all the resources billions of dollars on protective equipment accelerated drugs accelerated vaccines and really record time the stuff has been done and you know what the administration ok there's a lot of people that die by the way 233000 access under the you know the task force of the people whose names you know before i even walked in the door you

know if you want to talk about that but basically the point here is that we have a deadly disease and you know ask them it's work if you want to go buy your models that you're citing it to and at 2200000 people were going to die in the u.s. so i mean i think that you can change the game let's be rational here let's understand that actually there's been a tremendous amount done here very very successfully that is not solace for the people who have lost loved ones i know people who have died myself it's very sad there's no question about that no one is minimizing that but we have a deadly disease and we are going. to be ok here we have to be rational do common sense things and understand that life must go on life will go on and wife will go on and save lives i asking it and it was just fun and you know i just finally and briefly you said you know what a political appointee that has political candidates talking about you what will

a joe biden presidency mean biden said nobody thinks he you makes any sense no serious doctor around the world what does that signal to you about a biden presidency when it comes to coronavirus or anyone that would say that is either lying or doesn't doesn't know what's happening or is simply just severely confused because the policies that i have been advising have been signed onto by more than a lot of unsolved and epidemiologists and medical scientists in that that were asian and that includes people from harvard stanford university and many many other fine top top level institutions you know i just think that kind of statement as bizarre and you know i'm not sure what to make of that statement other than it's just completely totally wrong professor thank you.

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confirms it's a 1st case of the new covert strain that originated in the u.k. but medical chiefs say russia's vaccine is up to the task the shot has now been approved by algeria and palestine. from dismissal to acceptance several mainstream journalists who were initially skeptical over be are now winding up to take the russian job. and donald trump faces a 2nd impeachment just days before leaving office as the rioters are charged over the storming of the capital. and the festive season brings no respite for germany which has reported a surge in covert cases with the chancellor warning the most difficult phase is

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