hello and welcome to cross talk where all things are considered peter lavelle last week there was an assault on the nation's capital what does this tell us about the state of american politics is there still a place to disagree and dissent importantly does the idea of a loyal opposition still exists. to discuss these issues and more i'm joined by my guest george samueli in budapest he's an author and you to her at the gavel and here in moscow we have to me he is a political analyst and editor and you know smee internet media project hi gentlemen rostock rules in effect that means you can jump any time you want and i always appreciate it when i was going to georgia in budapest. the events of the last few days are it is dizzying to say i believe here we have the incident last

wednesday on the council which was deplorable tragic and a unforced error and the way i look at it. the media is playing the blame game i'm not interested in that i'm interested in the effects here the most immediate effect has been big tech has taken a major move to stifle. alternative narratives people that are questioning and people obviously expressing their anger . this in my mind george and i'm going to say it straight because you know i mean that's the way i am this is that at least at the very least they buy a prius authoritarian pre totalitarian moves to control discourse go ahead george i agree with you totally. because if you think about what really of the schools what happened on wednesday then it goes back to the fact that people were on a will to have. redress for their grievances.

the true cost the true culprit i believe was the u.s. supreme court which had a chance to weigh in on this. ruling should we say election 5. they punted that they refused to get involved and that means that millions upon millions of americans felt that they had no redress that their grievances when not address and that is what happens when people feel deeply discontented i mean and this goes on top of all of the other oppressions of everything that had taken place over the boss 12 months so now what is he what is the remedy for this well i'm all repression more rigid refusal to give the full of voice to give them and they way to express their feelings and many of the biden administration is now saying that it's 1st order of business will be an anti domestic terrorism bill there is no

reason whatsoever for it because the criminal statutes are already chock a block with all manner of criminal. wrongdoing legislation so you would hate crimes and everything else so now like a domestic terrorism. going to start with the lists are actually just everybody's will be terrified all who they associate with what they write what websites they visit what they say to their friends on whatsapp or facebook or whatever home or even on the telephone so it really is just the way of imposing an absolutely you know repressive dictatorship over the population you know you know demon this is what this does is it what george just described is that they. are the people that feel that they they are their voices are not being heard you know i. there through

social media or through. elections is that their grievances have been rigid amounts like this the havior by the incoming administration and the people are in that orbit and big thank you and oh by the way d m a this is a longstanding american foreign policy is that when their guy doesn't party doesn't do well in a born election they say go out in protest ok just the new united states right now . thinks. well you're absolutely right that you know when people were so surprised for example in the beginning of the syrian war how come so many european muslims came to help the terrorists in syria well didn't you tell these european mausam so via your media that aso tall skinny and more saddam's you know also these repressive she's against both them so a lot of people just volunteered to go to syria the same thing here for many years

with her i mean americans heard from the mainstream media in the united states that you need to stop this team of elections in yugoslavia in 2000 won in georgia in 2003 in ukraine in 2004 and in. your remember all of these wars you know they stole the election and every time almost every time these protests ended with a capacious of bottom and that's what happened in ukraine in 2014 and that's what happened in mono up in 2009 that's what happened in yugoslavia in 2001 that's what happened to shevardnadze in georgia in 2003 and now when american strive to do the same thing suddenly they are i called joe biden domestic terrorists 'd why it's grimaces anti-semite i didn't see a single anti-semitic saw you know there are many bad things don't don't interpret me asking dorian or her. on capitol hill and those people will not die and die

sometimes but you mention that neither of us none of us in job what happened done deal not at all is a matter back george i want to see those people held accountable and i want to see all the people know why life matters and the and t. the riots of the months and months before that be held accountable they got to be single standard that my behavior is not acceptable george exactly right unfortunately that's not the way the american legal judicial system functions we've seen what happened to the people involved in the black lives matter in the n.t. for right it was a river the revolving door treatment. no one was really held accountable it's much the same way as all of the pathological attacks on trump for disputing the election now this is destabilizing and horrific in st claims and yet every. 2 2 sympathy for the claims of. the woman abrams woman in

georgia who still to this day claims that she is the governor of georgia and everyone is happy to indulge her and say yes this is the person who is the real governor of georgia even though she lost by 50000 votes which incidentally is a great a margin that actually trumps the margin of defeat in the election because if you just count the margin in iras over georgia and wisconsin which butts the 2 by can trump equal it's actually comes to less than $50000.00 so it's exactly the same but the less that's the 2 the weight likes and of course these people who are in capitol hill and you know they are the book will be thrown at them and then are going to get the revolving door treatment i mean you can think that these people are going to get 1020 years. yet there is no. no in the quantity at

all in the. abrams in one why don't we have very special relations and yeah i'll say. you know. it's always important to have you on this program because you were born. well and you bought me so much about it well during the time of our brands it i mean it must be interesting for humans as a russian looking at how dissent is being crushed in the united states when when the new russia. flourishes with its 3 speeches in and it's. kind of the contents as. arguments over politics the internet is very very rich and deep in discussion here and you see the closing of it in the united states and you have a major political party a party that's going to be controlling all the. parts of government in the end about 10 days not cheering in on what do you think well i think there are 2 important things thank you for reminding me of the soviet union you know one of

their constant feature so sorry apply for was that just sent us by our names and she you know that onil the main pressure tactics against the soria dissidents also there how can you say these how could you be so distraught and destabilize and how can you be if not part of us and in the same way would have this shame and in them eric in media right now i mean we'll all know when well how it became almost indecent to will support trump before the election in 2016 and that's why so many a so so a tickle services will control him because people were indeed ashamed to say on the phone on 3 in their questions yes i may vote for trump rate the same the story is is continuing now in the united states and the and what is interesting the other important thing in the you know our i took a parallel from or dreher. a writer on their merican conservative that's

a conservative web site in the united states and he titled with his article about what happened on capitol hill the left or right stuck fire we all i think know what happened in the reichstag in march 19th 33 it's still not known was it indeed a dutch communist who did it you know did he have any support as hitler claimed from the jewish conspirator says he told them or was it not to themselves the most likely it was the noxious themselves who staged this fire in order to crush dissent but in the same way it's still not clear where president of the capitol hill was a just you know the demonstrators who are so empty of and criminal i would say or was it the police there somehow sympathized with the i'll just let them do it because it could be used against them in the future it doesn't matter just like with the right start firing the consequences are so grave that we don't need to

talk about the origins but let me quote wrote this the result of all of this i expect corporate america who is by left wing activists to undertake a purge of any employees who publicly expressed sympathy with trump always the election protest be it on their private social media channels or anywhere so mainstream media we can hope on it for a long time it has been shut off all the dissent is basically the real dissent us now the social media are also been shut off and what is very bad about mr truong been chopped off again don't take me wrong i think he was destructive and he was bad but you know again parallel with russian history when nicholas the 2nd was murdered. the important thing was not you know but don't say that he was a good sparrows and he did a lot of bad things that their brush or the situation but if you can kill the stock then you can kill anyone in the sea. wait if you can block the president of the

united states from social media what about the never is joe you know you can do anything to him because he doesn't have the protections of the federal state or even a formal kind of state only going to do is essentially bringing up the buy more complex here in in about 30 seconds why not states right now. well the interesting thing is 2 2 what's now happening is a massive repression of the population it's a way of beating down any possible opposition you have a bite them is ration coming in a president nobody wanted a vice president nobody wanted and election result that is very dubious and you have an opposition that is just absolutely enraged and up you know so what's the only remedy the only remedy is to go in for massive repression and i mean i am. actually quite an interesting enough not so grateful that you want to marry

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if. welcome back across top we're all things are considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're talking about the condition of american democracy. ok let's go back to george in budapest one of the interesting phenomenon for me and looking over the last few years and look and talking about the consequences of what happened on capitol hill is that now not only these leave the media and focus his attention on donald trump fair enough he's

a politician and that's why in politicians and that's part of. being a politician anywhere in the western world but what's what's different here and i think. is the demonization of his supporters and his base here you know we didn't see this before and we have been seeing the same kind of way because as in living in this age where you can you can literally turn millions of people off with the head of a click ok but that wasn't the case before here and so when i find really terrifying is that we have this and you're legitimizing the g.-man is a nation of people that want to participate in public life i mean that's not a civil society that's the end of civil society go ahead yes that that really goes to the halt of what's going on in america right now because that base. is enraged about everything that's been going on in america for the last $3040.00 maybe 50 years the fact that

a tiny percentage of the population much less the one percent is there in commute is growing exponentially while everybody is stagnate saying the fact that most people are unable to get a good education and able to get into elite colleges which which is the possible to grow. jobs in the united states they're unable to get a proper health care. and you know they just this watch seeing their jobs being shipped overseas or being given to going to constant cheap immigrants that are being allowed to go through and into the border illegally all of it all of these dissident voices found expression in donald trump that donald trump it was a very bad messenger but in some ways benny millions of americans found in him somebody who understood them who spoke their language now the most of the politicians in the united states in congress don't have that ability they just go

to themselves they just talk in these cliches and i think that's really what's going when you when you repress these people tell them they you know to shout out go to hell because the far right extremist racist anti semites are white nationalists and all the rest when you tell them that. you either create a situation where there is going to be another violent explosion somewhere at some point all on you know you you do what as you know it was suggesting it would you get there with the russian example which is you've beat the population down into submission and people just give up you know they just feel that it is hopeless they're all attempts at resistance all attempts at remedies have failed you know there's nothing we can do we just simply have to accept things as they are and i think that's kind of how the bolsheviks nutrition rule for 70 years and people just gave up i mean there was a lot of resistance the bolshevik rule it with the civil war we had crunched all

the way up to the dissident movement of the $96.00 in the seventy's but each time the bolsheviks just ruthlessly put down any dissent so maybe that's what's happening in the united states it wouldn't end in the making. the d.n.a. that the americans like to think about themselves would get would be completely chain. that would be a very different political culture and maybe that's the direction it's going to be in but cancelling 70 to 80000000 people. that's a social experiment in human engineering that i think anyone should be wary of here you know demo one of the things that you know i always look at the basic structures and you focus a lot on the ideology of things i mean the problem home are the homework of western . western political experience is the loyal opposition and the peaceful transfer of power and they're being eroded right now and they're being eroded very quickly

in the united states your thoughts where i think the only qualm and that was more or less so on the day of the riot on capitol hill came from the wall street journal the most enjoy know how the mind it's in this way truong who loses the senate and basically of the a percent of the end result of all this is basically one part you who you know the united states i mean after the vote in georgia which was of course influenced by the incident in washington even though the democrats don't have any you know marginal majority in the last moment they bought the majority in the senate now they control all of the institutions and local homeys the biden is already indulgent in fantasy is you know white supremacist was there a single racist slogan next to the guy i mean no one can show a single you know about biden is speaking by headlines on the new york times or the

washington post which have been scary in the population by this right wing violence which doesn't exist in the united states but there is also they have to environments just like in. germany you know the article in the national interest does the assault on the show and. it is don't and i go by jake of how wrong i think if he brings up a very interesting analogy he says the lead us all more progress you know democrats 100 publicans how weaponized or not you can more against their rivals the democrats did it by begun out foundation find it enjoyable stuff us with secret identity just and superhero style and the anti far outfits i mean we have seen the so-called leftist to entre liberal while it's this somewhere you know right now we have seen right some right in violence and now we see basically

a total seizure of power by of on party so many good has been has passed the why him a stage and the right start fires if we believe the american press i'm called into the american newspapers at and now we're on the right to raise the question of punishment for jake and jelly and people like you well whenever you have these protect your vote demonstration and seizure of parliament there are always exhort you characterise i mean i invited them many can still watch the video or rather been taken in 2014 by the ukrainian nationalists you will wish to see that a lot of people who more exhort you then jack engine and much more dangerous some of them really nazis know that estates a sad and that these most the people and you know the name that they give to take angela and others a conspiracy theory as you know the new york times reports conspiracy theorist arrested and he may face up to 20 years in jail. and you know conspiracy conspiracy

theories is almost the same as a conspiracy maker someone who is operating in conspiracy against the state because you are in against the state or ga mean let's look at it from the conservatives populist side ok so that all of government is getting in trouble in one party you have a big check. going in i mean that parlor i mean i was about to get on harder and then it then you have you know you have the googles of the world the apples of the world. not allow people to access to their platform i mean number one this is so monopolistic i mean it's already monopolistic it and now they're just flaunting it ok i mean so you've you have you know a one party rule you have to be checking in service of a one witness someone that is conservative think this is a conspiracy against us i mean you know everyone seems to get the conspiracies do we get this ok and and if if your people that you would in

a buy with acted wrongly on the capital are prosecuted but people that burn down the wendy's are not then you have people going to say yeah they're out to get us yes that is exactly what they say and and that's why it's so important to make sure that all avenues all their expressing their views. and that that's really the goal here and they have the big internet giant who are flagrantly flagrantly violating not just the 7 section 2 suttee immunities that were granted to them by government but they're always the gauging in anticompetitive 1 conduct they have all this the 3 engaging in violations of the 1st amendment they are behaving arak and because they think they've got there that a government in power that won't do anything about them and they won't do anything about them because this is you know there's now

a happy simbi osis between the democrats and 2 2 big tech and so yeah i think people will feel well this is you know this is the system is stacked against us and there are very few ran it is because it goes out of the one remedy you have is well elections where you know we know we're going to vote. these people out in 2 years and 4 years and then we're going to get our guys in prison now we've seen this election you can just rake it and you know if the system remains on reform and the democrats will make sure that it will remain on record that mail in voting well now they be the norm in the united states if you're unsure that it's all of this is rape and then if you do what i think biden the negotiation will do which is grant a massive and estate to the 40 who knows how many illegals living in the united states then you can make sure that if that these people who are feel this in death it will be in

a permanent minority so they'll be told shut up and suck it up and i think that's that's where things are going in the united states you just think thing is that you know it will because demon brought up the georgia election here and it and one of the reasons why the democrats won is that you know they they said we're going to give you $2000.00 ok and i think in washington in both parties including donald trump screwed up that issue of that was a no brainer george and i talked about this in a number of times and it's really interesting dilemma is that you know shut up keep your head down keep your thoughts to yourself it because one way or another we're going to get in your head ok that's the goal but we'll give you 2000 dollars we'll give you some crumbs and you'll be content again the soviet union comes to mind i mean make sure you get some material things that don't have a thought for yourself we'll tell you what the thing i mean the perils of growing it's getting absurdly obvious to me well you're right i think this situation is about more taking fire and because it's really just

a just the soviet union was almost binoche and inhumane compared to what we see now i've been into that estates i mean when i heard today you know when i when i read on the media how a daughter on her mother you know on errands that they went to this demonstration brought from demonstrations and the daughter. reported to them oh you put it on them for the police that's exactly what happened in the soviet union in the 3rd u.s. you know these famous infamous bob morrow wasn't being you know when basically a sound report on his father to the soviet secret police and that the son was killed by his own grandfather for that you know things like that are coming to my mind this is indeed there you find yes fascinating discussion that obviously could go on and on but they've run out of time will it make my guess is the best and here in moscow i want to thank our viewers for watching as the r.c.c. in its number.

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