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a surge in coded cases with the chancellor warning the most difficult phase is still to come. kevin owen is with you next hour with a fresh news update cross-talk is next on our international and in the u.k. and ireland renegade is next. away and welcome to cross talk where all things are considered i'm peter lavelle last week it was an assault on the nation's capital what does this tell us about the state of american politics is there still a place to disagree and dissent importantly does the idea of a loyal opposition still exist.

to discuss these issues and more i'm joined by my guest george samueli in budapest he's an author and you to correct the gavel and here in moscow we have dmitri bob which he's a political analyst and editor and you know smee internet media project hi gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump any time you want and i always appreciate it when i was going to georgia in budapest. the events of the last few days are it is dizzying to say i believe here we have the incident last wednesday on the council which was deplorable tragic and a unforced error and the way i look at it. the media is playing the blame game i'm not interested in that i'm interested in the effects here the most immediate effect has been big tech has taken a major move to us stifle. alternative

narratives people that are questioning and people obviously expressing their anger . this in my mind george and i'm going to say it straight because you know i mean that's the way i am this is that at least at the very least they buy a prius authoritarian pre totalitarian moves to control discourse go ahead george i agree with you totally. because if you think about what really holes what happened on wednesday then it goes back to the fact that people were on a will to have redress for their grievances. the true cost the true culprit i believe was the u.s. supreme court which had a chance to weigh in on this. ruling should we say election. 5 they punted that they refused to get involved and that means that millions upon millions of americans felt. they had no redress of their grievances well not

address and that is what happens when people feel deeply discontented and this goes on top of all of the other oppressions of everything that had taken place over the boss 12 months so now what is if he what is the remedy for this well i'm all regression more rigid refusal to give the full voice to give them and they way to express their feelings and met with the biden administration. is now saying that its 1st order of business will be an anti domestic terrorism bill there's no reason whatsoever for it because the criminal statutes are already chock a block with all manner of criminal. wrongdoing legislation so you would hate crimes and everything else so now example domestic terrorism yeah you're not going to stop with the lists that are actually just

everybody's will be terrified all who they associate with what they write what websites they visit 5 what they say to their friends on whatsapp and facebook or whatever or even on the telephone so it really is just way of imposing an absolutely you know repressive dictatorship over the population you know you know demon this is what this does is it what george has described is that they. are the people that feel that they they are their voices are not being heard you know either through social media or through. elections is that their grievances have been widget amongst by this new havior by the incoming administration and the people are in that orbit and being thank you and oh by the way to this is a longstanding american foreign policy is that when their guy doesn't you. our

party doesn't do well in a born election they say go out and protest ok just the new and united states right now moderates these things. well you're absolutely right that you know when people were so surprised for example in the beginning of the syrian war how come so many european muslims came to help the terrorists in syria well didn't you tell these european mausam so via your media that aso tall skinny and more saddam's you know also these repressive she's against both them so a lot of people just volunteered to go to syria the same thing here for many years with her i mean americans heard from the mainstream media in the united states that you need to stop this team of elections in yugoslavia in 2001 in georgia in 2003 in ukraine in 2004 and it is a current. you're a member of these words you know they stole the election and every time almost

every time these protests ended with a capacious of bottom and that's what happened in ukraine in 2014 and that's what happened in modo up in 2000 lines that's what happened in yugoslavia in 2001 that's what happened to shevardnadze in georgia in 2003 and now when american strike to do the same thing suddenly they are i called joe biden domestic terrorists 'd why it's grimaces anti-semite i didn't see a single anti-semitic saugor you know there are many bad things don't don't interpret me ask condone what happened on capitol hill and those people were not to entice him but you mention that neither of us none of us in joel what happened done deal not at all as a matter of fact george i want to see those people held accountable and i want to see all the people in the black lives matters and the and t. the riots of the months and months before that be held accountable they got to be how to have a single standard the. behavior is not acceptable george exactly right unfortunately

that's not the way the american legal judicial system functions we've seen what happened to the people involved in the black lives matter in the n.t. for right it was a river the revolving door treatment. no one was really held accountable it's much the same way as all of the pathological attacks on trump for disputing the election now this is destabilizing and horrific in st claims and yet every. 2 sympathy for the claims of. the woman that abrams woman in georgia who still to this day claims that she is the governor of georgia and everyone is happy to indulge her and say yes this is the bosun who is the real governor of georgia even though she lost by 50000 votes which incidentally is

a great a margin that actually trumps the margin of defeat in the election because if you just count the margin in i was over georgia and wisconsin which butts the 2 biting trump equal it's actually comes to less than $50000.00 so it's exactly the same but the less that's the 2 the weight likes and of course these people who are in capitol hill and you know they are the book will be thrown at them and then are going to get the revolving door treatment i mean you can think that these people are going to get 1020 years. or more and yet there is no knowing what the equality as all ins. abram's in one why no you are very special relations in your own way. you know. it's always important to have you on his program because you were born. well and you bought me so much about it well during the time of our brands. i mean

it must be interesting for you with that as a russian looking at how dissent is being crushed in the united states when when the new russia. flourishes with its 3 speeches in and it's. kind of the contents as. arguments over politics the internet is very very rich and deep in discussion here and you see the closing of it in the united states and you have a major political party a party that's going to be controlling all the. parts of government in about 10 days not cheering you know what do you think well i think there are 2 important things thank you for reminding me of the soviet union you know on on their constant feature so sore your clive was there just sent us where named and shamed you know that on of the main pressure tactics against the soria dissidents also there how can you say these how could you be so distraught and just a go at and how can you be if not tomorrow us and in the same way would have these

shame and in them every can media right now i mean we'll all know when well how it became almost indecent to will support trump before the election in 2016 and that's why so many so-so or dickel services want control because people are indeed ashamed to see on the phone 3 in their questions yes i may vote for trump rate the same the story is is continuing now in the united states and the and the what is interesting the other important thing in the you know our i took that parallel from roderick they're right on the them eric and concern jeff that's a conservative website in the united states and he pirate although he's article about what happened on capitol hill left or right stark fire we all i think know what happened in the rice stock in march 1033 it's still not known was it indeed a dutch commune. just who did it you know did he have any support as he too

acclaimed from the jewish conspiracy just as he put all of them or was it the not just themselves the most likely it was the nazis themselves who staged this fire in order to crush dissent but in the same way it's still not clear were crap and all that kept the here was a just you know that dennis figures who are so empty of and criminal i would say or was it the police that somehow sympathized with them or just let them do it because it could be used against them in the future it doesn't matter just like with the right start fire the consequences are so grave that we don't need to talk about the origins but let me quote the result of all of this i expect corporate america who is by left wing activists to undertake a purge of any employees who publicly expressed sympathy with trump or with the election protest be it on their private social media channels or

a new where so mainstream media we can hope for a long time because been shut off when the dissent is basically for the real decentest now the social media are also being shut off and what is very bad about mr trump being shut off again don't take their on i think humour's destructive and he was bad but you know again parallel with russian history when nicholas the 2nd was murder. the important thing was not you know but don't say that he wasn't once per person and he did a lot of bad things that were the situation but if you can kill the sob then you can kill anyone in the same way if you can block the president of the united states from social media what about the never is joe you know you can do anything to him because he doesn't have the protections of the federal state or even a formal kind of state are you going to do is essential bringing up the complex here in in about 30 seconds that united states. well the interesting thing is 2 2

what's now happening is a massive repression of the population it's a way of beating down any possible opposition you have a bite of his ration coming in a president nobody wanted a vice president nobody wanted and election result that is very dubious and you have an opposition that is just absolutely enraged and up enough so what's the only remedy the only remedy is to go in for massive repression and i mean the bolsheviks is actually quite an interesting enough not so grateful that you were discussions political system.

the war in syria has lasted longer than world war 2. who has been suffering the most almost a decade long conflict regular syrian people. most of them when you arrive here. i could see everything with my own eyes and hear into stories of its residents one group in particular russian wives of syrian matter. look up to these nationalist worlds.

welcome back across top where all things are considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're talking about the condition of american democracy. ok let's go back to george in budapest one of the interesting phenomenon for me and looking over the last few years and look at talking about the consequences of what happened on capitol hill is that now not only of you see the media and focus his attention on donald trump fair enough he's a politician and that's what politicians and that's part of. being a politician anywhere in the western world but what's what's different here and i think. is the demonization of his supporters and his base here you know the we didn't see this before and we have been seeing the same kind of way because as we are living in this age where you can you can literally. turn

millions of people off with the head of a click ok but that wasn't the case before here and so when i'm feeling really terrifying is that we have this and you're legitimizing the demonization of people who want to participate in public life i mean that's not a civil society that's the end of civil society go ahead joe yes that that really goes to the heart of what's going on in america right now because that base. is enraged about everything that's been going on in america for the last $3040.00 maybe 50 years the fact that a tiny percentage of the population much less than one percent is there in communes growing exponentially while everyone his income is stagnating the fact that most people are unable to get a good education and able to get into elite colleges which which is the possible to great jobs in the united states they're unable to get a proper health care. and you know they just this watch seeing their jobs being

shipped overseas or being given to going to constant cheap immigrants that are being allowed to go through and into the border illegally all of it all of these this isn't voices found expression in donald trump that donald trump it was a very bad messenger. but in some ways benny millions of americans found in him somebody who understood them who spoke their language now the most of the politicians in the united states in congress don't have that ability they just go to themselves they just talk in these cliches and i think that's really what's going when you when you repress these people tell them they you know to shout out go to hell because the far right extremists racist anti semites or white nationalists or all the rest when you tell them that. you either create a situation where there were. there's going to be another violent explosion

somewhere at some point all on you know you you do what it is you to demonise suggesting it would you get the russian example which is you beat the population down into submission and people just give up they just mean that it is hopeless they're all attempts at resistance all attempts and remedies have failed you know there's nothing we can do we just simply have to accept things as they are and i think that's kind of how the bolsheviks the british rule for 70 years and people just gave up i mean there was a lot of resistance the bolshevik roulette with the civil war we had crunched all way up to the this isn't movement of the $96.00 in the seventy's but each time the bolsheviks just ruthlessly put down any dissent so maybe that's what's happening in the united states they wouldn't end it in the. d.n.a. that the americans like to think about themselves with it would be completely change it would be a very different political culture and maybe that's the direction it's going to be in but cancelling 70 to 80000000 people. that's

a social experiment in human engineering that i think anyone should be wary of here you know d.m.o. one of the things that you know i always look at the basic structures and you focus a lot on the ideology of things i mean the problem home are the homework of western . western political experience is the loyal opposition and the peaceful transfer of power and they're being eroded right now and they're being eroded very quickly in the united states your thoughts well i think you are the only cuomo and that more is more or less so but on the day of the riot on capitol hill came from the wall street journal the most enjoy know how the mind it's going to win this way truong loses the senate and basically in the paper said that the end result of all these is basically. one party rule in the united states i mean after the

vote in georgia which was of course influenced by the incident in washington even though the democrats had a very you know marginal majority in the last moment they got the majority in the senate know they control all of the institutions and look how mr biden is already indulging in fantasy as you know why it's a premisses was there a single racist slogan next to the capitol hill i mean no one can show a single but biden is speaking by headlines of the new york times or the washington post which has been scary in the population by this right when while and which does exist in the united states but there is also no 2 in violence just like in. germany you know the article in the national interest does this sort on the cat those you show america's don't and i go by jacob braun i think he brings up a very interesting analogy to the leaders or bought part yes you know democrats and

republicans how weaponized are not you more against their rivals the democrats did by baiting out a foundation fine to end your stuff us with secret identity just and superhero style and anti far outfits i mean we have seen the so-called leftist taunter liberal violence this summer you know right now we have seen right some great violence and now we see basically a total seizure of power by one party so american has been spots the y m a stage and the right stark feisty if we believe the american press and go into the american newspapers and know when you're right to raise the question or punishment for jake and jelly and people like you well whenever you have these protests your whole demonstration. he's refinement. they're almost exact you characterise i mean

i invited them many can still watch the video or rather been taken in 2014 by the ukrainian nationalists you will see that a lot of people who are exotic then drag engine and much more dangerous some of them nazis neither that estates aside and not the smallest the people and you know the name that they gave to jake actually and i guess a conspiracy theory as you know in the new york times reports conspiracy theorist arrested and he may face up to 20 years in jail. and you know conspiracy conspiracy theorists is almost the same as a conspiracy maker someone who is operating can cause pure agent against the state because you aren't against the state or ga mean let's look at it from the chrome the conservatives populist side ok so that all of government is getting controlled by one party you have big tech going in i mean that parlor i mean i was about to get on harder and then it then you have you know you have the googles of the world

and apples of the world. not allow people to access it on their platform i mean number one this is so monopolistic i mean it's already monopolistic and now they're just flaunting it ok obviously if you have you know one party rule you have to be checking in service of it why wouldn't someone that is conservative think this is a conspiracy against us i mean you know everyone seems to beget the conspiracies do we do this ok and and if if your people that you would in a buy with acted wrongly on the capital or prosecuted people that burned down the wendy's or not then you have people going to say yeah they're out to get us yes that is exactly what they say and and that's why it's so important to make sure that all avenues all their expressing their views. and that that's really the goal here. the big internet giant so who out flagrantly

flagrantly violating not just the 7 section 2 such immunities that were granted to them by government but they're always the gauging in and to competitive conduct they are obviously 2 engaging in violations of the 1st amendment they are behaving. because they think they've got that that a government in power that won't do anything about them and they won't do anything about them because this is you know there's now a happy symbiosis between the democrats and 2 2 big tech and so yeah i think people will feel well this is you know this is the system is stacked against us and there are very few remedies because of course you know the one remedy you have is well elections where you know we know we're going to vote these people out in 2 years and 4 years and then we're going to get our guys in prison now we've seen this election you can just rake it and then you know if the system

remains on reform and the democrats will make sure that it will remain unresolved in the mail in voting well now they may be the norm in the united states if you ensure that it's all of this is rape and then if you do what i think biden the most recent will do which is grant a massive and estate to the 40 who knows how many illegals living in the united states then you can make sure that if that these people who are feel this in death it will be in a permanent minority so they'll be told shut up and suck it up and i think that's that's what things are going in the united states yet interesting thing is that you know it will because demon brought up the georgiou election here and it and one of the reasons why the democrats won is that you know they they said we're going to give you $2000.00 ok and i think in washington in both parties including donald trump screwed up that issue about it was a no brainer. george and i have talked about this

a number of times but it's really interesting dilemma is that you know shut up keep your head down keep your thoughts to yourself it because one way or another we're going to get in your head ok that's the goal but we'll give you $2000.00 we'll give you some crumbs and you'll be content again the soviet union comes to mind make sure you get some material things but don't have a thought for yourself we'll tell you what the things i mean the parallels are growing it's getting absurdly obvious to me well you're right i think this situation is even more terrifying because it's really just a just the soviet union was almost benayoun and humane compared to what we see now happening in the united states i mean when i heard today you know when i when i read on the media how a dog that he bought at on her mother you know on errands that they went to this demonstration brought from demonstrations and the daughter reported to them and put it on them for the police that's exactly what happened in the soviet union in the

3rd u.s. you know these famous so infamous body wasn't being you know when basically a sound report on his father to the soviet secret police and that the son was killed by his own grandfather for that you know things like that are coming to my mind this is there you find yes fascinating discussion that obviously could go on and on the run out of time or a date my guess is that it has and hearing now so i want to thank our viewers for watching as the r.c.c. and remember.

the war in syria has lost in longer than world war 2 what is happening in this country i think that's victim to horrific experiment in the discontent of some people and religious tensions in the country were exploited by external players outside forces try to overthrow the regime and use the international terrorism

phenomenon in to advance their agenda human rights of syrian people were sacrificed for the sake of someone's ambitions. for an contraries involved in the syrian war. and pursued their conflicting goals seeking their own political economic or military interests. but who has been suffering the most in this almost a decade long conflict regular syrian people. they are the ones paying the highest price in this endless war the price is their lives and the lives of their loved ones. their country is destroyed leading. journalists from. i have been following the tragic events in syria from the very beginning i have also been covering just on a process an international initiative aimed at all.