and george i think we have to a kind of a parallel structure here and we have the so-called war on terror after 911 which was an under failure ok we can talk about that on the sidelines here but it seems to me that the this is a template they do you know the war on terror is now the war on domestic terrorism but the difference is that the war on terror was that there was an assessment of the risks ok. and i said as i said there was another failure they these assessments during correct but it seems to me if you're going to have a war on domestic share then you're bringing in an ideological element because what is terrorism what is domestic and who decides that go ahead yes that's a very good question. and this patriot act $2.00 that seems to be in the wood is really not so much a response to what happened on january the 6th but

a response to the election i mean it's an election that will be disputed in the coming year as much as the 2016 election was disputed pretty much throughout the trunk is so i think this is a preemptive attack all the dispute that is going to take place during the next 4 years i think i think the biden people have real questions of legitimacy hanging over them i think we have a presidency that no one really wanted a year ago that nobody in his right mind would have believed that by this really week to correct it sort of fake at all popular with his and with his own party will become the president of the united states so i think it's a response to that. but i think that it's really going to be a very dangerous situation because. this is as the

original patriot act was it was an attack on the most. of better various to send. out who are seem to be sympathetic the muslims the figures on the left this is going to be an all embracing attack but i think what will be seen as the opposition to the incoming democratic administration and i think all of the abuses that we saw during the patriot act originally will be here and then some which means mass of valence these constant attempts by the f.b.i. to uncover the terrorist plots but which in fact will be plots that will be actually instigated by the end of the life and the very quite a dangerous attack on civil liberties in america the irony that george is that you know and it is least as we're speaking right now there appears to have been

a number a lapse is a judgment an assessment by the f.b.i. and the intelligence state so what are we going to do we're going to reward them with more power and more money and more. leeway to be able to now a spy in surveil american citizens glenn let me go to you because it seems to me that you know this is a this much more of a political dynamic of all of this here because all of us have seen some of the footage of the events that happened on the council discussed it is all obviously here and but within a few hours of the narrative what it instead of a riot it was an insurrection and it was driven by white supremacists which fits very much into the ideology that the democratic party and its allies push during the elections so this is just an extension of it go ahead. then just to be clear the capitol hill. could use and could have been avoided by simply having

additional security at that specific location to target those specific people who are breaking the law so this need for expanding the security state where is the picture sort of the picture docs 2.0 is not nearly really necessary and imo i agree that this is a hostile political significance or because to you as a polarizing to a great extent and what you would hope to see at this point would be to find some unity instead you see now one side gaining power to targets down our side now seems dramatic. as you pointed to this as well as the terms to be used after the capitol hill this is hyperbolic terms coup attempt so the white supremacy domestic terrorism these are words that actually have meaning it could have to go point was there any chance of the government being told and having a regime change with the military operations supporting it it was

a few 100 to nothing he says who already in 5 who are fighting only darkie enjoys was not i don't knows not sure well just how to do with race at all to be honest and also the domestic terrorism of this was not aimed against the civilian population or spread fear along population in order to promote political goals it was just these terms are not accurate to do not they're not suitable for this. time so why don't you. why does not. bode well for using it now is to paint a very broad brush across all conservatives who see in this through the media and also to politicians speaking so effectively the argument is that. all americans who enabled the capitol hill an abstract be held accountable that is and when they will trump so all some to 5000000 voters the conservative party and this is. problem because when you consider your pool of political opposition as enemies democracy

merely becomes sort of 51 percent dominating to 400 percent and that's a problem to say fish are. actually you give them a special tool through a course terminal or a course of authority or those other 49 percent and they get to conserve is our house in the us you know racists who apologise domestic terrorist. this really has taken on a very dark turn especially considering the price of detector oligarchies how much power they have this will be something that really the cross and republicans are calling the interest in countering instead you see the democrats not sitting down also leading a very powerful tool you know if i think what tamara from the mystic terrorism which again the problem of terrorism a very loosely defined concept and decides in the trough you see it being much more loosely defined you know george the that the left just can't let go can that they just they're obsessed with him here so you know he's on his way in the matter in

a matter of. getting their focus will remain on him because not only do they want to make his personality and personal life oxic and they've gone a long way towards that they want to make anyone that was are in his orbit and eventually anyone supporting him so it's still all about trump bait can't let him go and i i have a beary about is that what as they go into power there progressive's in the old elite of the democratic party they have a lot of differences among them it's be very difficult it's a very wily coalition because the only thing that kept it together was drum so trump is going to keep them together while they're in how. well i think that the so they part of it but i think they make a pot of it is that there are real questions about 1 the legitimacy of this governor grill that these people who are now in power really have no. mandate i mean biden ran

a vacuous election promising nothing other than mandating mosques for everyone so there is a real fear that trump will come back and that the that trump who is able to do something that no democrat is able to do he's able to generate enormous enthusiasm i mean when they see these crowds 506070000 who show up for trump rallies when you know the hof a 1000000 people so game arrived in washington on january the 6th they are afraid of that because they know they themselves supposedly there on the left you know there are people helping the working man they're not able to generate that kind of enthusiasm so that's why they need to cross that off position to them which i mean it's that it exists and it's going to come back in 2024 1 so what they're hoping for is to demoralise demonize that opposition so that they they will remain in

power that's why it's important for them to cross trump himself because although they may be younger people like some of the younger set of this like josh foley we may want to tap into that trunk be a movement they have a feeling that he trump himself who is only able to generate that enthusiasm without trump the movement will dissolve and i think that's why it's so important for them to cross it and whether through they said trial in the senate then subsequent legal challenges and the so that is that the trump himself would just be so toxic that the movement itself will dissolve it plain and basically green with george cherish and the grievances of these people will not change i mean maybe you know trying to what degree or another he'll be in the picture we don't know yet here but it's seems to me again going back on how they're going to frame and implement this war on drugs. state terrorism is it it seems to me if i can stick

with my my honey a logical point here is this is a frontal attack on any kind of populist movement this is they do not want this debt to have a populist movement it has traction they could have a leader like it had in donald trump and maybe as george has pointed out another person you know that this is a way to nip it in the bud now because they have and nothing is being resolved the grievances of these 70 plus 1000000 people are still there nothing's changed go ahead. i think it's thing that signed the wrong conclusion on the trunk fernandez felt here mirchi was able to social learn the people always he is propaganda and when they get for him to movement will die while they don't forget his book trump is largely a symptom you have reasonable grievances social economic grievances of. middle america where you have a lot of problem has been building up for a long time being nothing addressed now the. problem of focusing so much has been

that they're never really took this in and realized that so how can we address their grievances in a better more healthy way instead they send all these people are deplorable they're racists they're back or stay with no also terrorists apparently where we need to do something about them so by remote you know this impeachment trial i fear is they're making a martyr out of him and. and what was going to learn you know this will further radicalize many and also by pointing to the one who might have ordered him to be a radical. it could it would only contribute to extending the movement but again if you look at the. economic nationalist ideas addressing this craven says there are something in his political platforms that hoss real appeal and it's worth to address yes he's follow mouth probably not the prettiest personnel to you come across but if you don't really address. also to talk for just all of us terrorist

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war in the in the immediate period after the end of the cold war and all through the obama administration here so george the way i look at it the way that you know he's got the b. team from the obama administration and the a team and obama administration was pretty dismal but now they've got to be team and victoria nuland back is back apparently into here so joe biden in the least the few words that he has uttered and i don't speak too many more words for the next 4 years wants to reset meaning go back to 2016 when it with his relations with the u.s. his relationship with europe is that even possible right now and what kind of relation could it be. why you're absolutely right it is exactly. the restoration the hope of the restoration of the status quo and. 3 where they've got a comeback. that is a really difficult question because it will depend on what this biden team will

want to do and how the europeans will lou react to it because if the biden team will want to remind you the fights in the middle east if it wants to. continue with its policies in the ukraine the ones that which were. conducted by the obama people which was antagonizing russia and again through nato expansion antigun i think russia then i think the europeans may well look back on the trunk years as being not raise such bad for all i mean the gate trunk was a very rude destructive sort of person on the other hand they weren't all that bad and he didn't make that any demands on the european into i mean a bubble he wasn't asking them to getting involved in you was and that's what's the problem folks europe that the united states is going to stop all sorts of new was

and then the euro has to really pick up the pieces as a consequence whether through refugee flows of the through terrorism is also that didn't happen on the trunk that they think they should they should certainly be worried about 2 you know whether this is going to happen now with the bike and you know glenn one of the interesting things about going during the drumbeat ministration within europe is that you had mccrone and merkel actually talking about the what is the nature of the e.u. sovereignty what kind of foreign policy it should have what kind of military posture it should now because that was the during a time of turbulence with the united states which obviously beast those questions and to be addressed as you have this turbulent malaysian across the atlantic now with joe biden coming back is that conversation going to stop in europe and the europeans does get to get back with a lot of the americans because. and things have changed what will you that were at the end of last year which got very little news coverage is that the european union

zite a huge investment deal with china and china is going to play probably the most important role on the global stage for the next house century here and the europeans in least made an initial choice in december and many will say that was because but you do decide to use the united states because of the europeans ask you one way or another you have some kind of sovereign foreign policy or they're going to be irrelevant go ahead and i'm glad you mentioned that investment because i think thoughts are as is the relationship perfectly because much of the cobbling began before trump with obama had only intensified on the topic also a lot in relationships simply because of bias maher on his speaks a bit softer less are going to. reach more at least very near because some of the comp little continue as before because the u.s. will demand more in return for security guarantees and the e.u. will seek greater autonomy from the u.s.

and that is many reasons for this but i know a big one now is distrust of china as it demonstrates that the e.u. and u.s. interests are decoupling to a greater extent because the u.s. now has to prioritize asia europe this is where its main strategic rival is located then the u.s. will then have to demand more solidarity from their ins west i think the answer should fall in line understeer told but if the europeans now they want more strategic autonomy in a world where the u.s. power isn't relative to collide they need to be an independent color power and then that requires them to engage china separately. and take some of this coming relations of the year u.s. and e.u. i think that this investment deal is perfect example because this is a huge investment to really here shine there will side not just before biden takes office and americans were perplexed to do us a bit of a slump why not wait until a bias here but if they're what are we headed for by them. then by who would have had to do care are you course europeans not just fighting off and it would have

about started the relationship to saddam do you buy this percentage was the new reality of the year taking into and into china so i can either accept it or h.n. continue the sanctions again i don't want the same logic goes for the north stream too they also finish it before my dad takes office. because now they can effectively say this all is until european functions by the americans we can say it was just a future shock and we can continue. for so this is a fact of the signal into the american system of what we want to have and all 6 horse. or a choice china also a lesser extent draw shot them up we want to have good relations with us officer responded so far i can change them and you could argue benefits both sides you know george one could make could make the argument because of the cool relationship. that drum towards europe because trump saw them as competitors and they are

economically their competitors ok let's face it ok and the europeans threw in the post-war era i got really cozy trade deals with the united states for being our own the washington consensus well the european union's economy is bigger than the united states ok it has a very well well educated workforce and when they follow the dictates of american foreign policy well they have a. migration crisis of a number leave that we go back to 2015 here and as you just pointed out you know they're not interested in these middle east wars anymore they're bad the american people aren't great but they're by mr h. will probably act differently as usual here but so easy this turbulent relationship actually was helping the europeans i would say because it showed that they have options i think senator and i think it's. always high time for a reassessment both in the in the united states and in the european union office trance . atlantica relationship it was all to fishel granny during the cold war years

but at least you can always keep it together as a.o.l. the terrible threat of the soviet union but you know once they will soak back dissolved it became less and less justifiable that these 2 entities europe and the united states should be held together by this entirely artificial alliance. and really it was constant need to justify its existence and that's why it became a source of instability because you know with you know they too had to continue to justify its existence by manufacturing crises in order to keep itself going so whether it was in georgia crane or in the middle east it was always oh well this is this is why we need some artificial relationship but of course. somebody like trump was always bound to come along and say well actually you know we americans

what are we getting out of all of this we subsidize your military. and we run a massive trade deficit which means that jobs are being exported from the united states and so what exactly i mean way way is the threat what's what why are we doing this and i think that you know there are there is unfortunately a very powerful transatlantic establishment that existed off think then and then brussels and they naturally fall back again strong position and that probably happy now that he's gone and that we can go back to the to the old days america subsidizes military. and we just sort of get get get to do what we want and have you know conferences every couple of years in which we congratulate one another yeah i mean the general's word is gravy train but the reality is grit is what you did. glenn. mentioned china here and and after 4 years of

a frosty relationship and at the end of last year we have these big investment you know i mean they are the europeans kind of drawing a line in the sand and saying we know we can't go our own way i mean what what can you give us what do we get out of this deal here because if you look at public opinion polls year and in and year out in germany for example the majority of majority of germans would like american treat the troops the leave 75 years out in the 2nd and of the 2nd world war i mean what kind of standing does europe challenge right now considering what kind of people go by and will have around him and considering the relationship they have with. well it was interesting europe eternal and for us again keep in mind that when that process was undergoing to overthrow you on a course in ukraine nuland you know that the phone call she was explaining what the regime for trying to put in place to replace a longstanding general and 'd her message in terms alter the use role be in terms

of this putting together an accord government ospel s.b.u. . her perspectives some buses that are also arrested are nicely and well i guess for from my perspective the main the main problem is after the cold war the west transition because it was no longer necessary to defend against the soviet union but rather became as a grouping for collect their heads of money that is the u.s. needed the europeans to have cement unocal moment all the europeans were also advancing this also within the transatlantic format seeking strategic autonomy that is it equality with the united states and this is this is largely what all 3 interest to gether i think now that the unocal are coming to an end and you have emergence on your powers for the us is simply to follow the us is always problematic us are going to be our competitors are they also have this common interest they will remain competitors in many fields all they have to colonies becoming

a some less and so you have this structural incentives for them to decouple a bit but of course also the popular sentiment is to wipe out the used source united states and it is a paradox that the americans are most important security ally still every year they do polls to find out almost all america's allies see the u.s. as the greatest threat to international stability so this contradiction is has to be addressed some points you know general been if you know what you hear but i guess you know this new relationship needs the united states will continue this be no different from is going to decide and be like poland in hungary because of their experiments. as the americans will continue to meddle in european. politics but whoa there anyone that interferes in america. like a british citizen in 2016. yes no there is no question that that will be part of the american gender take a leader hungary with anti blink and who has

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