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betrayal. when so many find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground. greetings and sal you taishan us all right let's kick things off today with mr q. and non shaam on himself mr jake angele you remember little jake he was one of the most visible members of the modest seditionists who took over the capitol building in january 6th areas what with the buffalo horns and star spangled face paint looking like he got lost on the way to coachella and ended up in washington d.c.

well it appears that the shaman whose real name is jacob chan's lee is not exactly handling incarceration all too well melissa blaze is a journalist for a.b.c. 15 out of arizona reports that according to jacob's mum he hasn't eaten since friday because the detention facility won't feed him all organic food. yes the big bad q. and. is worried the prison food will give him a really bad tummy ache. and they call activists on the left snowflakes and while little jacob will soon be a hilariously hit areas put note in future history books that doesn't mean that right wing extremism here in the united states is a laughing matter the wall street journal recently reported the president elect joe biden declared that he plans to make a priority of passing a law against domestic terrorism and he has been urged to create

a white house post overseeing the fight against either a lot ideologically inspired violent extremists and increasing funding to combat them. not long after hearing biden's announcement on domestic terror laws c.n.n. and the rest of corporate media suddenly began reporting that according to an f.b.i. bulletin arm protests are being planned in all 50 states between now and inauguration day on january 20th. you know my friends as someone who lived through the post 911 fear mongering that led to the creation of the patriot act and the department of homeland security i can. honestly say it is beginning to look a lot like 2001 once again here we are putting fear before logic in the face of tragedy let's i mean are we really dumb enough to make that mistake again as new york magazine sarah jones correctly reminds us whatever powers by and creates today

can be used by the enemies of democracy tomorrow our civil liberties are simply too fragile and the risk is much too great. let's take a look at this topic as we start watching homes. in a city street. there so you. see this is this you always see a. great city this least systemic dissent says so which . so. welcome aboard watching the hawks i am very relevant and i'm obese across so i don't know if i'm being paranoid when i say that the. national security state the hairs on the back of my neck are suddenly go on when i hear statements that we need new domestic terror laws and we need new this in order to combat the extremism we saw on january 6th no i think

that you're spot on up 1st and foremost because we saw a lot of these things come into play after 911 there is always this fear of this surge of fear amongst our elected officials that pushes us to create laws that sometime. so look good in the interim but look horrible 10 years out and i think that because of the mistakes that we made post 911 we really need to go back and try to not make those same mistakes again but also fully recognize just how demonstrative and horrible what we saw happen last week was but to your point a lot of the laws that we enacted in the domestic terrorism laws as well that we had on the books since the ninety's timothy mcveigh we have these in place there's nothing we need to do to change those we can continue to use the exact same ones the issue here is whether or not we choose to apply that in this case that i think is what the nail in the head because the you know we haven't really apply i mean a lot of protesters from a lot of different areas and a lot of groups muslim groups things like that will tell you all we felt the full brunt of these laws that there are. 11 right after 911 but i think the people that

you know. laid siege to the capitol last week they've never felt the brunt of those laws absolutely the difficult part here or what shouldn't be difficult is that when it comes to domestic terrorism or terrorism in general we have a far easier way of pushing it manfully it on those who are of the muslim or those who are african-american or those who are from the from the middle east we don't do it the same way and we try to find ways around it when the person is homegrown and white it's in and that's the problem it is in diyala sharma's a staff attorney with the center for constitutional rights told the intercept the quote anyone familiar with the scope of surveillance and targeting of black political decision dissidents or muslim communities knows that law enforcement has all the tools it needs to aggressively disrupt and hold accountable those who planned and participated the storming the capitol why they didn't raises serious questions but it was not because their hands were tied and i worry that as we see

now report after report coming out and all the talking heads from c.n.n. the muslim b.c. to fox suddenly talking about this fear of you know people within the country i think the biggest. that scares me is that we are going to take 5 steps 10 steps ahead like you said and think about what we're doing out of fear and political convenience exactly and it's problematic because fear should never drive policy when fear drives policy we always end up in a place that we don't want to be there's often discrimination we've seen that time and time again and we also see laws that we really want to eradicate and wish never happened just a few years down the road could the group be more. last week's insurrection continues to be the talk of the nation and the globe as america grapples with what to do next investigations abound and finger pointing knows no in law enforcement and security failures mount and with the resignation of the capitol police chief there are still questions

a big one is why why wasn't the national guard called an early where were d.c. metro police why were some officers the opening doors for the maga mob and taking selfies and giving fist bumps some congressional black caucus members have called out police forces for potential involvement in the insurrection house majority whip jim clyburn commented somebody on the inside was complicit in letting rioters in the building. in an interview with c.b.s. cliburn pointed to a few reasons why he thought rioters were assisted by the cops. he set up a group they knew where to go staff are saying that they saw people being allowed into the building through side doors somebody on the inside of those buildings was complicit in this. under fire several u.s. capitol police officers have been suspended for their actions during the attempted coup the announcement came on the heels of representative tim ryan's comments but the officer featured prominently in selfies with rioters and another who wore a maga hat while directing the rioters were both suspended. 10 to 15 more officers

are having their actions were viewed as well and police officers also being investigated for involvement in the insurrection to seattle police officers have been placed on leave additionally departments in california washington state texas and pennsylvania are investigating their officers and it's well known and documented that white supremacists sit among the ranks of police departments across the country and the crisis at the capitol has a spotlight at this once more one d.c. police officer posted on facebook that insurrectionist included quote off duty police officers from all over the country they have the audacity to show their badges and id cards. it's important to note that house democrats are launching a review of the law enforcement response of the capitol attacks as well as any evidence of potential inside jobs conducted by police officers themselves. it doesn't surprise me hearing that because we've seen through the course of the

summer in the black labs and matter. how integrated a lot of the police police forces and police individual police officers and law enforcement officials are kind of pro. you know. the probe. what's a good word for worship you know indoctrination you know i don't know don't know yet you're right and this isn't something that's new we've known that police forces have been embedded in white supremacy for a very long time during the civil rights movement a lot of people who got stopped or beaten or rest of or oftentimes killed in prisons were there literally because police officers were out on this goose chase to actually find those and stop them from getting civil rights rappin americans but f.b.i. report showed just last year that white supremacist and malicious infiltrated the police and more than 2 dozen states and they outlined that this is troops that b i they outlined this in early 2020 they also found that they are tied to race as militia activity since 2000 and hundreds of officers have been caught posting

racist and bigoted social media content to be fair one of the chief who was supposed to be teaching and training on a lot of these a lot of racial injustices he's suspended today because because of his illicit behavior on social media in terms of posting a lot of racist racist commentary himself so this isn't exactly new the comments from leaders like jim cliburn who is the majority whip these obviously congressional black caucus member comments from him saying that this was an inside job specifically noting that there were people who opened doors there were 2 models in the in the capitol that no one would know about outside of that area there were spaces where there are meetings among congressional. readers that are an unnamed an unmarked areas and yet these individuals knew exactly where they were that's a problem it's a security and safety issue but it also points to a much larger problem that it does i mean you know what all this reminds me of reminds me of the old as a child of the ninety's reminds me of the old rage against the machine song lyrics

was you know those who work forces are often those who burn crosses you know when you go back to that and this reminds me of that and but the biggest question moving forward i think and you know you mentioned it to me earlier today is how do you then trust your capital security forces if the how for good and half are bad how do you trust that moving forward how do the congressmen the senators representatives biden and harris how do you move forward if you know that ok these people might let we all know everyone's going to different politics you know but what happens when those politics suddenly get pushed to the side and it becomes this like oh i'm a dissident i'm going to change the you know i'm going to take on the capital and like this i think there is you have to keep one eye open you also have to ensure that there is a no there is enough research into these individuals before they are given certain posts one of the other things that i find problematic is that many of the officers we're looking at now are being suspended with pay they're not automatically being fired again they're getting paid this whole time even though there is a lot of evidence of them being there for the insurrection as well as video of them

committing a lot of insurrection act and they're still collecting paychecks it goes to show that our system even the police to you know were a part of the these violent acts on the capitol still seem to be above the law themselves because of their bad we worship in this country we put too much faith and too much worship in the anyone who is holding a badge that they're always going to be this bright shining person when clearly history shows is there there are good people and there are bad people but we have to root out the bad people as quickly and as fast as quickly as possible you know it's just and those that apple just keep on spreading always. all right as we go to break remember that you can always start watching the hawks on the man through the brand new portable t.v. which is. bailable all platforms as you can see there all right coming up we delve into the international connections to the rise of white supremacy and social media you definitely want to hear this conversation stay tuned to watch.

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in the wake of the of the sun january 6th here in the united states right wing militant extremism on social media platforms has once again come under the spotlight of journalists lawmakers and the public at large and while the united states currently wrestles with how best to combat this problem while still maintaining the freedoms of the 1st amendment it is important remember that the issue of right wing extremism is not unique or contained to just the shores of the red white and blue a new report by time magazine focuses on a focuses on a massive white supremacist militia headquartered in ukraine called the also of but talian who according to experts over the past 6 years has been using social media companies including facebook to recruit and train white supremacists from around the world including u.s. citizens time reports that currently also of occupies

a central role in the network of extremist groups stretching from california across europe to new zealand and it acts as a magnet for young men eager for combat experience interesting interestingly allie soufan a former f.b.i. agent who has studied the group. told time magazine that he sees the rise of oslo and in ukraine similar to the rise of dangerous terror groups in afghanistan back in the early ninety's saying quote pretty soon the extremists took over the taliban was in charge and we did not wake up until $911.00 this is the parallel now with ukraine joining us to discuss the rise of the oz of battalion and the use of social media to build and recruit white supremacist groups is jeremy kumar of managing editor of covert action magazine and dr maya hoskins hoskins and haas can a 100 well hoskin forbes contributor and assistant professor at loyola marymount university in the school of education thank you both so much for coming on and joining us today. thanks for having me. jeremy and i want to start

with you what is the cause of battalions history in regards to neo nazi ism and what role debate played today in the cultivation of white supremacy groups around the world. well my understanding is that the you know the war in eastern ukraine is a dirty war it hasn't been really very well covered in united states media but there's been a lot 1 of atrocities in that war and there are elements of the ukrainian it's kind of like a vietnam war where the ukrainian military like the american army in vietnam was very divided and a lot of you know italian ukrainian military ambivalent about fighting their own people of eastern ukraine because that whole war originated after coup d'etat backed by united states in 2014 in those provinces in the east were lawit generally there are more and more similarities with the russians and their economies are integrated more with russia so the pro western government took root. in ukraine

they separate is and so the creating the government had to rely on these militias because their own military would always fight and some of the militias were far right extremists are neo nazis and these of italian you know have. symbols 'd. and committed atrocities in eastern ukraine. and dr hoxton why is it so difficult for social media companies like facebook to combat white supremacist recruitment by groups like maze out on their platforms we know that a recent survey from the anti-defamation league found that 61 percent of all americans believe that facebook and twitter are somewhat responsible and 75 percent of americans are worried about violent extremism. and. or you have a misconception we think about white supremacist organization in groups you know being clothed in white sheets but their eyes come out you know walking down the

street with torches in their hands and white supremacy we're going to. have become arson is to keep it comparatively speaking over the years and he also began to recruit younger individuals who have learned how to push messaging that's a lot more palatable so especially when they're in which talking about. broadening their messaging and recruitment efforts at recruiting younger individuals shows are as young as 11 in some cases and they are who the individuals. think in certain ways right if you carry out a message but they're not very explicit at 1st it might start off with little need right there is xenophobia are racist or heterosexist however they are guys as being come and help her and so it kind of mixed this type of rhetoric

a lot more palatable and digestible for individuals and helps them to slowly each surely assure themselves into these. patterns and so in that case basically overlooks things looking like organizations in many cases the overall look these mom are nuanced kober for our messaging in recruitment for my screen is organizations in general i want to ask you to is it look time magazine is reporting the vote in ukraine is often has its own political party had been publishing houses summer camps for kids and a vigilante force called the national militia you know you mentioned a little bit that they had to rely on this neo nazi group like a sub that is now you know according to time recruited us white supremacists into their ranks for trading and things like that how did they acquire so much power in ukraine and then become a major recruiter. of white supremacists around the world how does that happen and not go unnoticed. well i think you have to look back at the events of 2014 and how

the united states empowered us terrible government ukraine and unleashed these forces of white supremacy in the nets the ism i mean to my down protest because you know i mean the political backdrop was it was a production leader a victory on the covert and there was an uprising against him that was supported by the united states and it was presented as pro democratic forces but many actually worship steven bend there or who was in that seat collaborated in world war 2 and it empowered the far right in ukraine and just like here in the united states are coming more and more out of the woodwork and they've been able to infiltrate the government they have positions high positions within the governments and their activists and cadre of feel more comfortable coming out in the open promoting their a chilled ideology and they've been empowered they're getting money and they're building up these militias in part through foreign funding and getting these foreign mercenaries into the country to fight this dirty war and it's very

dangerous and it's very shameful aspect of u.s. foreign policy that the united states has been helping to bankroll this but the progressive forces in the united states that usually oppose oppose shady u.s. foreign policy have been very quiet about this. for a variety of reasons and i think part is the media doesn't report the old until you know with the exception of segments like the. dr hoskin there was a white supremacist writes a promise this nationalist movement that turned into an insurrection that we watched just last week in the nation's capital but here in the end it states a lot of the conversation from the right has now leaned away from that into 1st amendment rights to free speech and the need to rein that in that's the conversation that we're having that's a conversation that we see on several news channels how do we manage to balance the 1st amendment rights with stopping the spread of violent white supremacist groups.

well i think that it really irks begins with looking at right supremacy on a much larger macro level and systemically instruction. i mean let's face it these organizations in groups in the us the rag because white supremacy is systemic within the united states and if and if it works right if we were not if we see these forms of white supremacy in our systems in our structures in the united states is we're going to see scenes in groups would not be able to thrive and what happened in the capital would not have taken place and there have been multiple comparisons to have the insurrectionists last week were treated compared to how black eyes matter protesters have been treated in previous in much less by that protest right and so they had been allowed to kind of push the button

because we live in a country that white supremacy is within our structure it's within our system and so i think what's happening now is now we're moving toward a place that you are minutes in the freedom of speech and freedom to protest which is a great. but pounds when you do that is it distracts from the larger issue of white supremacy again being in bed it within our system and within our structure and so we place the blame on to freedom of speech and protest and having that those liberties if it takes only as a government officials to fight my supremacy at that at the power of the higher levels of where it exists why i want to thank you both for coming on today and truly educating our audience on these very interesting issues and where they come from an overseer who gets trained and how this is happening not just here in the states but also around the world thank you both once again the german cause more of managing editor of covert action magazine. and dr maya forbes contributor and

assistant professor at loyola marymount university thank you both so much for coming on today. thank you. it's a bird it's a plane no it's really definitely a bird a new study shows that air pollution laws might have saved over 1500000000 of our fine weather friends over the past 40 years pollution regulation specific to air force and across the u.s. have had positive effects lower emissions of ozone polluting and often factory different smoke and small have lead to clear airways a new study conducted by scientists at cornell university in the university of oregon found that improved air quality produced pollution thereby saving the lives of 20 percent of birds in the u.s. today according to ivan routed the study's lead author reducing pollution has positive impacts in unexpected places and provides an additional policy lever for conservation efforts. looks like a little responsibility goes

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a battleground in the u.s. . people of demanding the shutdown of a local plant. is right now my focus because it's a very dangerous. power plant that was attempting to run the reactive beyond its operational limits this just sort of puts a magnifying glass where's the power in this country where is it going is it moving more towards corporate interests or is it more in the idea of a traditional participatory democracy as powerline with the people this case demonstrates that struggle in the very real ways a struggle. joined me every thursday on the alec

simon show and i'll be speaking to yes the world of politics or business i'm show business i'll see you then. in the headlines this hour shopping centers food course even an opera house to some of the places where residents can be vaccinated as russia it's grown a virus vaccination program. in germany extends in strength and scope of destruction nationwide as the country steps of its fight against them. does donald trump spend his last night in the white house washington d.c. has been turned into a militarized zone joe biden's inauguration as the next u.s. president. i guess is pretty good chance what it's doing for the last a lot of pretty much the whole downtown area as the barricades the checkpoints.