almost everything we do want to see the same. essentially disappear you should probably be companies. is it time. i'm after a time see welcome to another lockdown edition of going underground today on the day the joe biden his inauguration as the 46th president of the united states of america in a ceremony guarded by 25000 troops in the u.s. capitol washington d.c. it all comes just hours after global debate over a pardon for julian assange the world's most famous journalist and publisher locked up in a maximum security prison here in london but hanging over biden just as it did don't

trump will be the global coronavirus pandemic that has killed at least $2000000.00 people or all around the world joining me now from china is the director general of china's center for disease control professor george frugality thanks so much for coming on i'm going to tell you that $2000000.00 dead britain are reportedly the worst affected in the world they're going ahead with vaccines and we are at the vanguard of the mass coronavirus injection campaign why are you concerned about the vaccines currently on the market i don't think i'm worried about the back seat you know when you're talking about alexy this is the only weapon we'll get an a viruses or any you know kind of a positive so i'm lot worried about the vaccine the same father called me that night he ate the 1st time ever at the home of beaks because you saw a vaccine against car the iris is special. everybody already knows we have

a so many are new and for the college and i think so because we have so many are new and we want to have our vaccine you know. you checked it to the. so called healthy population we are worried whether or not there might be some other word event so this is a everybody is worried however while you are talking about why we are to you these because that's the no other choice we are leaving all these ers we are also working very hard try to do the ballots between the risk and benefit because we our assessment tell us us the vaccination and the huge actually the vaccine it's better that you take the risk for the coffee the night you kind of see it because we do have the herd immunity you the whole word the virus got a chance to be mutated you are they go to 5 or 6 you take you to viruses without an

immunity pressure the hours will keep you taking this is our mari so you general we sued to take an 8 you think there's a risk for vaccination rather than wheat we cannot wait at a more. comments you may have been exaggerated in the in the media about your concern over the pfizer vaccine that certainly is 0 evidence that that's in norway directly linked to the m r n a vaccine. why do you think there have been reports of your concern over them are in a vaccine i'm seeing because of this the 1st time for a marni agent exactly to the human being body so we don't know what happened but the least a car of the technology tells us you know it's ok but to be honest because of this the 1st time for the healthy population i was seeing we have to be careful. but in

effect we should all take it how do you account for this very different efficacy rate amongst the different vaccines on offer because pfizer claims 1990 percent more than 90 percent of africa's a sign of macaroni back only 50.4 percent effective according to the brazilian trials well you know i think this is all these experiments start so quickly if we have enough time we sort of take any vaccine takes about a decade or few years but this time last year again i already mentioned i want to really i want to agree i gess this is a risk that benefit well is we have to take this risk openness and you personally took that risk tell me why you took an experimental vaccine very early on. not even as a double blind trial well you know because i'm

a professional i was trained as a wet immediately initially i did a lot of veterinary vaccines myself but we prepared rex it would have assumed many technical technological lives. i believe all those lied you know it's a good enough for you to take this risk if i don't take these how can you pursue it the public to believe there's are charged to get the mars done but of course vaccination means more mutations as the variants that survive vaccination process i mean what is your take on the effectiveness of vaccines given the number of mutations that have appeared the british mutation the one in brazil the women south africa. we don't know at least that currently the tour tells us at the moment all those who meet his there might be a small. effect i don't see anything you can see as there's

a very big effect from the current literature of a cause if you have the immunity you might approach the iris to mutate but once you get the her to unity by vaccination and the the iris will have a new chance to survive to transmit between armaan populaces but the chinese center for disease control has not yet tested their sign of back vaccine against the british mutation which has a much greater transmission rate i understand the transmission rate increase is actually worse for humanity than the lethality rate it's that transmission rate increase that is much more dangerous is the chinese vaccine even work against the british coronavirus i think this is something we are working on it we haven't got the results yet this is the karma gerry is needed he's led congress every story so you are just back to the wire once the virus is there so they try to survive and if

they want to try to survive they will mutate to find a way to mutate to make sure they kind of survive but they cannot be more lethal to the human to use otherwise if they kill all the host whole kind of viruses survive so this is the strategy for the why risk someone i either hoebel population . now it's a year ago tomorrow that the 1st case was reported in the united states just take us back i mean when did anyone get. coronavirus before the case is reported in wu hand i understand on the 17th of november 29th team south china morning post reported in whom a province where when did it 1st appear in china i know the the world health organization or inward right now. i think that we isolated the virus early in january from my china c.d.c.

colleague i don't you credit me we work together very hard we call the virus early morning at night on january 6th and 7th we work day and night this is the 1st time we saw whole what the virus looks like on cost because the new technology so we see the sequencing 'd of the virus follow whole genome we finished up all these you know with the awake when we were reported on cause if you want to discuss these from the very beginning retrospectively. you china we already see some cases some suspected cases because it's not confirmed we always have a lot who are. acute severe acute respiratory uni's also called a sorry so many sorry cases every year ours of the flu so many viruses there i think you know for roughly about r a marvel hopper mouth you know the clinician they saw something but there are not many groups or clusters there and suddenly by the ad over the top.

and we were called we went into the field and you know we collected all these dates are and of course unify the way we realize it's a carnal iris a we shared of data that they thought was available our own path january you know you the change shut that's apparently is that is that the shanghai public health clinical center publishing the genome. no that's you there to shut is published by china c.d.c. used to to a virus the chinese kind of assizes at the chinese are kind of intimate because i.z.'s you can go and check of the cheetah that's a can of january i think you it was reported here it was reported here that the shanghai public health medical center released the genome and it was going to shut down one of the newspapers here while you know you have a lot of rumors you have a lot of would give you know something different from from here you go and look ask

laska pfizer ask a fire and of buy antec they direct that they give you a vaccine go and a check with them where did they get the sequels to sensitize the gene to deliver their a marni vaccine i think that's very clear they claim either are you their publication new in the journal magazine they claim they dolly the secrecies from the cheese that is a global initiative or all you friends of ours sherry it's called it's us that's case that. organization for the word to share the you for the virus but let me myself we together with organizer of that organization we put the sequence there and it got you know everything shared with everybody if you want to ask anyone who developed the vaccine from fire you know you we started to our talk

with the pfizer rexy. the world and the world is thankful for it but there is certainly a lot of rumor as as you know what have you made of mike pompei or the outgoing secretary of state of donald trump claiming all this stuff about a lab or a tree what is they name check something called the are a t g 13 bat coronavirus related to cove ed what have you made of these claims by the u.s. state department from the outgoing. trumpet ministrations saying that they were conducting experiments on a corona virus like a virus before. the w.h.o. . was even talking about the release of the rotavirus. i think you know. because they're always argument about whether or not and the whole lot aside his true to work on the virus so to me says

a 1000 iris you know there is. for example is a night he a king you friend of iris after secrecy of that virus genome now as well the research the size we have the live virus from 98 he myra's because we haven't got it isolated before but to be set aside even technologically you know other the streets stringent a strict. bio safety regulatory and you can't do that but there's always the argument as a father i a.t.g. 13 so this is the virus is a chino the one ever grow this virus no other kind of good the virus you know most of the virus from bats you cannot grow them there's no a live virus for the t.g. 30 you know we have always a limitation about our breed so we think we can borrow from the commonsense we

can learn from the knowledge we can learn from some science we know but by the head look at what we are facing up our current night here in my opinion after a year maybe there is no intermediate host of 'd reservoir host is a psychic question carly deny having a scar the night he looks like it doesn't follow the rules we copied from our common sense or not he's so this is why i'm think i'm thinking leave the orange and leave the evolution of the comedy that are worse for scientists to get it resolved but of course but of course it's not scientists it is politicians that have been talking about it do you think it's something out of echo of the cold war when mike bump said. that clearly the would have the institute and was conducting experiments and not only that the press here was talking about

a journalist jang jan put in prison for reporting there were an outbreak in the 1st place all these stories in nato countries do you see that as the politicize ational coronavirus you know her bikini all these other break myself i was attacked you know because of the clinton felt she was attacked so many people and robert of russia filled the u.s. the igi fall u.s. cities he was attacked so by the side he's are attacked it's because of that you felt that you know you thought i make. it over new. because you fight me and they me see for me see misfit either the poverty or the public he said they don't notice that what's going on here so i think all those claims is baseless george i'll stop you there more from the director general of the chinese center for disease control george will go after this break.

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when so many find themselves worlds apart when just to look for common ground. welcome back i'm still here with the director general of china's center for disease control professor george forgot i don't know whether biden will retain tony but your counterpart robert redfield quoted in the new yorker magazine on the 3rd of january 2020 saying there was no evidence of human to human transmission that's what you told him on the phone then is that the new yorker getting it wrong rover red rover red film getting it wrong because as a d.g. fall 2 countries we keep. communicate to each other i don't think that you know that can be called so you didn't you didn't say that to him we had it's t.v.

show discussion i don't think and you know that's a subject we have been discussing. but i think the reason was for the quote in say the new yorker and then it was reproduced was look here is the head of the c.d.c. in china giving wrong information to his counterpart in the united states when he knew there was some evidence however little it was background or human to human transmission of coronavirus. you remember our i gave the crack to you for basically emaar church call you for everybody you know europe you the us where the mosque it's published in size you know size journal and you remember sos yet lou not many people wearing a mask you know. there's a lot over the rumors a lot oh for you see from a set and you were talking about mask before the world health organization i understand there was advise him to wear masks just give us some practical tips i

mean that there are so many issues ventilation in blocks of apartments now that we know more and more about how droplets and spread people should wear masks and it's when you do back the british government if you're about to meet distancing what other since you were the 1st to talk about the necessity of mostyn even explain why it may be worse in european countries in the united states than in southeast asia one of the tips can you give wary of a mask watch for your distance in the washer your head more importantly. we keep communicating we open minded we've everybody you the world tried to address that was ugly on you know you can see the successful control in china it is here. are the great we have some small waves in china but they are all well could talk at the moment we have several small regular cases other breaks in china we are

working very hard to get it done but the word sort of works together if we don't work together the virus works together to get more putin's around the world thank you yeah in fact your per capita rate when compared to britain i understand john hopkins says you have point 34 deaths per 100000 we have 135 here in the u.k. you might as well not have coronavirus in china according to the figures. how important is tracking trace britain has given tens of billions of pounds to private companies from track and trace it hasn't worked many say and that's why britain is going for vaccination as the main plank of its response do we have to do we worried should we have tracking trains anymore because no one even talks about dragging trays arguably here in britain anymore though you think you you buy i think you lose already lost your charge for the truck handed chase but i don't think you know

if you work very hard at their city or way why is that i think why china is so successful because we from a verdict guinea we spend a lot of time to. the community level critical you know for you folks a disease control so you are stress must be focused on a community level because at least you the community so we we we put our model our 1st you know our community level control because we have the fall high ranking systems for the c.d.c. says from accounting for the profit church to the province and also to the national so those 3 a levels they are all based community level especially the county level we have assumed the people working the community level if the community public health so. professionals they made a really good job they are the key person to do the trees and the. track

you're talking about communities the whole development of capitalism here in nato nations is to individualize and create the all important idea of the individual arguably at the expense of society and community you see that as one factor in why coronavirus is so much worse in western capitalist countries i think that could be one of the factors you know of course that's could be a very very important factor to the chinese communist party obviously understands important global cooperation is in the game more propaganda we're getting here that scientists who work for you kind of they they couldn't get their internet working they weren't able to cooperate with other scientists because internet was shut down in move on and in other parts of china where scientists wanted to look at

information available on the internet about. no actually you know ike i keep having a like what are you do you are to me we are here you know i'm not cut we keep communicate you we not you side china you know we're all my colleagues you know words are almost to be only for last year our area almost every day every night because of the time robes i have i have a. room all the other card or service with a circle me to keep meetings all these i don't i don't think it's true so you look at all my colleague in the u.k. you know us we communicate you very well so if you're a scientist watching this you should be able to access the peer reviewed papers relating to your medical visibly yes now tell me about the long coded as it is known increasingly we're getting reports here in britain as i

say the country worst affected in terms of global death rates per capita what is long with exactly or how prevalent is it in china that's a very good were it if the law roughly you coast to chronic we don't want to see the chronic because we don't have enough heart to see how slow whole chronic carbonite he will be. you know because i said from the common sense from the knowledge this is an acute respiratory uni's want to see acute respiratory uni's we think we will recover completely part of what we saw from 'd the collagen i.v. you the whole were you could you walk and you the u.k. some patients where they recover they still have some elite symptoms these 3 or you

know someone they might have problem with the sleeping some are the model has some problem or we've there 'd are new the hard also this is a skill not a lawyer enough for us to see whether or not a common i.q. will be a chronic disease at least it's long enough that much longer than that peut respiratory illness and you're seeing that in china yes we also see a lot of it you know that i also we have so many cases i don't want to be recovered at that of the you know back to be positive so all those are really made scientific question in how many percent of cases. are you detecting long i don't have the numbers for the cases but my colleague with a published paper you the legacy it publishes of about one month ago you can go i read that for the number well aside from a long covert hopefully covert 19 is arguably finished in china how is

the c.d.c. focusing on the issue of climate change and new coronaviruses because we're talking about bats rain forest clearance is connected of course to zoonotic transmission. yeah we have been have been talking a lot of time up our the new chief of viruses a remote you could he sees and also area by they want to address the one health that i mean is we have 2 good medical whether a agriculture environment or size everything together to tackle this problem carbonite he is a good example we need different sectors to work together you know of all these you can love a coke or you might have our mental change that have to have some effect for even you know for all of those. you factor sickies think about the bets you know you know once you have all these when the power and when the power remember with those

a plate they kill i'm not hopeful bets i know that's always in you the red hot so again we cannot work together 'd to tackle carbonite you i knew i was alone we got to put everything together and to tackle the problem weight one helos. concept with some wind power is connected to the value to the rest yeah i thought connected to coronavirus. not of the special not particularly carnal virus but you know it because because of that a big plate you know the one lead one that many are roddy you know the birds or a lot awful flying birds they might be killed by that you know no one really clicked these seriously but look at a lot of the scientific or cults already there so that's an example you must destroy some of the nietzsche for some why the animals include the pets obviously

large scale farming fossil fuels arguably more important than the the blades that i'm going to just ask you what advice would you give to our viewers in western europe in the americas who watch the news in here conspiracy theories about chinese weapons manufacturing coronavirus and now here in britain the foreign secretary is saying giant here is a torturing we go muslims then lots of reports of accusations of genocide why would china even one to help in the fight against coronavirus if it is involved in mass murder well why otherwise for there would be a car at least a chance to see the reality. though don't believe all these conduit rumors that come in a webcam you know you come to him on how to look what was going on in china so open is transparency and

a collaboration are the key for our large us europe us and china and of the rest of the word but also you know for everyone covered all the earth we are needy in a small 'd village we got to work together you know like from over to begin you ask me you say something bad about a fire the next it know i give to see anything bad i'm i'm see we have to be careful but it doesn't help when the chinese embassy in the united states is talking about using science to. oppress people they said studies show in the process of eradicating extremism the minds of we go women in general where emancipated and gender equality reproductive help are promoted making the no longer baby making machines that show he doesn't help. oh well i don't know what are you talking about i never heard about that you know at the last all the public tried to obvious that the size leave that you felt that leave the rumors

out because what we need to work together to get the dollar to suppress a lot of director general george thank you and that's it for the show will be back on the saturday until then keep in touch via you tube facebook instagram found out and telegraph. become a battleground in the u.s. . people of demanding the shutdown of a local plant from my yankee is right now my focus because it's a very dangerous oh no claire power plant the owner is attempting to run the reactor beyond its operational limit this case just sort of puts a magnifying glass on where's the power in this country where's it going is it moving more towards corporate interests or is it more in the idea of

a traditional participatory democracy is or powerline with the people this case demonstrates that struggle in the very real ways a struggle. joe biden is sworn in those the $46.00 president of the united states promises to the full on civil war between republicans and democrats we look at whether the rift between. either we're going to resolve these issues peacefully through the battle of ideas or in 10152100 years we will resolve them violently is just a full blown a song on the happy that the democrat party and their alliance with the big tech social media tyrants she will eliminate any way straight any opposition any any political dissent that's going to challenge you.