to discuss these issues and more i am joined by my guest patrick headings an employment he's the editor and founder of the 21st century wire and here in moscow we're joined by dimitri bobbitt she is a political analyst and editor and you know internet media project process rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i was appreciated when i was going to patrick in plymouth well by good ministration is started its foreign policy approaches 0 and of course russia is as always close to the top for some reason and those of us didn't watch the russia gave hoax over these years we always lamented as i said in my introduction that it would bleed into policy well it is done that ok well we we have mixed signals i mean we can talk about the 5 year extension on the new start treaty that's about to expire next month which is good news and we always cheer for good news but i wonder if there's going to be linkages

because we still have this rhetoric of russia interfering meddling in american politics so it's never never spoken out why didn't allow that the united states medals and every country's internal politics here so a mixed bag patrick but as i like to do i'd like to stress is that it is dictation story russia gate has bled into policy and that's something that we all worried about go ahead with something that we were warning about from the very beginning is the danger of allowing a sort of official conspiracy theory to permeate into you know public life into the national discourse and of and ultimately into foreign policy those who are the most dangerous part of it and that's very regrettable unfortunately and i think this is the fact that none of this actually makes sense from a logical point of view and it's purely based on power politics internal u.s. power politics this. doesn't really bode well for the united states as

a world power as a sort of competent world power at the top of the sort of the you know the governing hierarchy of the global is late stage empire i suppose you could call it and it's not really a about competence anymore it's about being in power and you keep hearing this domestically in power the transition of power and power this is kind of a new thing in america we didn't always used to talk like this back through history the power is with the people and normally politicians and government are serving at the pleasure of the electorate at the end of the day but that seems to have basically inverted blend decent pieces interesting he's top the list christian and democratic and the soviet bloc in the being communist atheist and authoritarian and this is kind of flipped right now in a strange way i would call it instead of capitalism in america you've got crony

capitalism and what i would call suicide socialism in terms of policy atheism is definitely in the ascendancy in america despite what the christian right might be where they're at and you instead of democracy you have a plutocracy quite clearly and that really coalesce as with power so these dialectic seem to have flipped and in terms of foreign policy there's still going to double down on this rhetoric about where democratic nations and d. 10 this is the new sort of al growth of the g. 7 this is the g 7 plus india south korea and australia and that and biden's really going to use this word where the leading democracies of the world the high council of democracy and this will use this to sort of try to legitimize whatever policies coming down the pipeline god knows what you know the middle east might be in store for or what eastern europe might be in store for but you have these micro-managers now back in power now. after be interesting thing is if you're going to use the the

instrument of democracy will ask how the electorate in the united states what they think about elections right now so i mean it is just laughable on its face ok of course this is the 10 thing is it's going to be a substitute for the united nations and be militarized it'll mirror nato we have seen this movie before it ends badly you know the interesting thing you know from the russian side they always expect the worst which they feel they should that's a reasonable position ok. you know who they want to have president you know trump or clinton or trump or biden is just this is ridiculous and it's the it's kind of sophomore and criminology that we've all gotten used to unfortunately but there is a little bit of a difference here since the cold war we had every single incoming and ministration wanting some kind of reset that was the term they used when obama came to power.

but that's not the case right now that's not the case now at all i mean it's the the the new administration is started out openly hostile and you know on ones on one hand hostile and the other are they talking about the possibility of extending the new start treaty which you know we all know historically arms control agreements have linkage ok so if mr blinken thinks otherwise he shouldn't have his job and i'm pretty convinced he shouldn't have his job but that's a topic for another program go ahead. well according to the way just information in the biden sudden inspiration is going to extend the they they said they would extend it for 5 years it will go there was open your position because border no one who is now deputy secretary of state you know a pretty important position for someone who is responsible for the deaths of. 1000 people in ukraine you know she was responsible for these transfer. power of they

all that but in fact it was a biology school in which at least 38 policemen died you know hundreds were mean and they called it peaceful demonstrations so unfortunately we're dealing here with just a completely twisted you know vision or the universal of the war that these people have i'm very glad brkic used the water power yes indeed it was not in fashion in the united states but in the soviet union the what oh he was very important in the beginning you know when bolsheviks can compel soviet power you know we hold the power that was the slogan that lenin used when he seized power in 1917 so basically i'm not against any leftist your your i'm against italy tarion leftist ideology i'm not against liberal ideology i'm against this but the new theory invariant which they have now unfortunately or starting to have in the united states and in that sense again patrick got it absolutely right when he said

that the old rules have somewhat been flipped you know this this time and here i'm going to quote an article by our friend glenn discern on archy's website i think it kind of summarizes what patrick just said the liberal international order has to recast the form a capitalist corman is done by it with an imperial authoritarian divide however there you go you can compete me incompatibility between american liberalism and russian conservatism is less convincing for example not all for best that russia michael mcfaul cautions against which and sniff areas conservative ideology committed to christian traditional female family values make for views a threat to liberal international order the end of quote well indeed the roles have been flipped i mean and the other funny side of it is that fortune actually did not plan to be you know that why. you know. and i can shine an aura

defanged increased in badness he had a walk more distance by relations but he came to power yes i think you want to question to be a normal east european country you know. expand union connections to the west develop a new sequin i mean in course with the united states and with your opinion about the problem is that these people you know this ideology pushes him into the conservative camp if you want at and makes him defend christian values even more than he would probably like to you know you know it's interesting is that. the ideas of george of can in the in the american ambassador to the soviet union at the very end of the a 2nd world war any came with his famous telegram in foreign affairs you know and it was can do contain the soviet union which i think is very interesting because that it that's come back into vogue michael nicole's name is already been mentioned

here but you have these neo cons and i know i have a new phrase obama that's who's in them but by white house they like to you know bandy that about but they and they completely overlook canon actually had to say when the soviet union came to the end the warsaw pact dissolved the expanding nato would be a catastrophic mistake ok why don't you quote that part of the canon. legacy here go ahead patrick jump it no it is a it's a great point and just to carry on from what demon was saying to the dialectic they're trying to construct is that you know the west is liberal russia is authoritarian and you know anything east is authoritarian and that's the dialectic but really you have to look at the new phenomenon which peter you've just alluded to which is liberal authoritarianism and sort of enforcing global wolken if for instance and if you look at how the media was covering the syrian war for instance in the early days a lot of it was you know we need to liberate these people. will the communities

being suppressed they do the same with russia's well they champion the kurdish cause because the kurds are woke the kurds are l.g.b. t. friendly and this is what we need to get behind their like us basically we need to support them and so that's the kind of resin d'etre that's driving the under. but you have the paradox of realism in the sense that you know if you look at the way can waltz into all the cold war years you know during the cold war to construct a this paradigm was based on bipolar power distribution globally ok but what you have now is it's never changed the liberal international order liberal internationalism israel ism because you have countries like the united states whoever is the most powerful has the most resources has the most capabilities in terms of the us its hard power soft power with media and also smart power with n.g.o.s that's a new development in terms of you know will to disrupt destabilize

a country of throw its government out in a coup or what not that's that wasn't really articulated very well by the great you know international relations scholars during the cold war because they were really concentrating more on hard power and you know just the general heavyweight bout basically but that's the paradox of realism is that realism still governs the liberal international order it's of it's of the liberal international order is a farce and the press don't cover the subterfuge because then that that takes the you know the it gives the game away the last 30 seconds before we go to the break it's just amazing how these people confuse historical and old you know when the cole colds. you know cold cal and all they need to contain russia he. yes. 50 years later in 1109 your know when the neighbor was

expanding kellen gave an interview to almost friedman all of the new york times but he said the expansion of nato was a mistake and that we should finally spoken dane and russia in the same way france now go when he compared what happened to the on the capitol hill to the kristallnacht in germany in 1028 well they get zapped replica of kristallnacht was in kiev you know when the ukrainian nationalist boy couldn't russian banks it was the same as. you are you know you really want to work with these people just don't know history in their own willing to learn it here ok i'm going to jump in here we got to go to a short break and after the short break we'll continue our discussion and some real me stay with her to. join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and obviously going to get us out

of the world of politics sports business i'm showbusiness i'll see you there. the world is driven by a dream shaped. thinks . we dare to ask. in 2040 you know bloody revolution of. the demonstrations going from being relatively peaceful political protests to be creasing the violent revolution is always spontaneous or is it you know we're here. with video.

pulling needle the former ukrainian president recalls the events of 2040. those who took. invested over $5000000000.00 to assist ukraine in these and other goals that will ensure a secure and prosperous and democratic. welcome at the cross not where all things are considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing some real news. we had to go back to you must go on to me you sent up after going to an article from the atlantic which was so interesting we should actually talk about it it was published in the atlantic on january the 19th and it's titled what to do with

trumpets and if i could read the subtitle here the proper response to these extremists is not counterterrorism it's mental hygiene. explain the last sentence how do you interpret that go ahead jim well in order to understand it correctly you must be familiar with the song you're pre-press your psychiatry because it was a very soviet idea that anyone who disagrees with the mainstream is nuts you know he's somehow not normal you know it's needs to be correct that the soviet psychiatrist even invented a special term for it they called it law kind of schizophrenia you know these people just don't perceive reality the new york times perceives it that means they are schizophrenia you know that means they're not normal and it's amazing you know that the author stuff 1st just speaks about depression to speak about putting in jail everyone who basically was in any way involved in the action at the capital i

think it was a crime and there should be consequences but putting people in jail for 3 years for 3 minutes of self aggrandizing like the jack angel or whatever his name was that's that's cruel you know that's abnormal but let me quote what mr graham who great point rick. the voice of force men should come down in charge of all the insurrectionists from the flexcar guys to the greatness posing for photos the vigor with which federal prosecutors have been pursuing them proves that the united states has not been corrupted completely reasons exist to hold such people as these that's the end of the quote so basically it reminds me of my us you know when in the soviet union. dissidents were 1st of all names and cian you know if you participate in some kind of a demonstration you know if you disagree openly then you are

a good normal you should be ashamed and yes sometimes you should be put in prison and of course the west is much more impressive than the east just to preempt all their future quest. it's what happened in moscow on sunday you know all these people who want to know how long it will free they would get you know they would demonstrate some kind of a stage and if they spent millions to be kind they would come there as we did in 1901 we protest that they against the communist regime but they wanted to provoke asia and they wanted a clash with police so $4000.00 of them which means you know every person for 3000 people even in moscow moscow is a seat of 12000000 people so police says there were 4000 well they say there are 440000 even if there were 40000 it's just a bomb person for 300 moskowitz they came to the police and they have scuffles with police using children as human shields you know got as all of 1415 years of age

that's not democracy and what happens in the united states simply because you were near that building since it is simply because you were hit in something stupid the federal prosecutors and off to you and someone and they're going to mock the views of you know of mom corruption ok obviously all 3 of us and i'm sure our viewers agree that protest is signed as long as you do it legally in without any use of violence and i think that should be a universal thing that we all should embrace here but patrick here then the. it's not about the events on the capitol for goodness sake ok this is just a cudgel here ok because the the the impending purge was our invasion before the events on the comp roll so but i mean this is goes back to something that we talked in the 1st part of the program is that there is a liberal totalitarianism in play here and it is all about intolerance and and the refusal to debate i mean it's better to be the platform someone and disappears

someone be monetized them instead of being gauging them in this is what this ideology has come to go ahead no it's but it's pretty clear. looking at the rhetoric i mean this piece by the atlantic is just unbelievable but in a way it's a good it's a good sort of lesson of what the sort of mindset is at least in the coastal mainstream media echo chambers but what the direction of travel here is clearly that the real the real thing is isn't domestic terrorism here the direction of travel is the federal power the power of the federal government versus everything else basically and so this is this is how it's shaping up the partisans on the left are amazing the democrats is if you look at the output over the last 5 years it's been russia russia russia and they're you know they're saying q and on this this online large conspiracy is like the equivalent to al qaida or isis but you know

terms of we talked about russia gate actually affects us foreign policy i mean so that conspiracy theory has like real world implications global implications in fact but the problem is you have the liberal intelligentsia you have people who are populating the cabinet right now they teach at harvard they teach at all these top ivy league universities they've been telling their students absolute fiction for the last 5 years and these people are in charge i think this really there's a degradation of not not not just discourse but there's a moral degree degradation in america at the intellectual at the so-called elite level the main mainstream media level where they don't care they want to blame the internet for the post truth world when in fact they created the post truth world government federal government mainstream media the look at the obama administration the how they wielded federal power how they politicize the department of justice

that's what you're going to see under the biden harris administration is a really very authoritarian very much politicizing every agency is. his cabinet selections are all based on political identity practically so it means everything is politicized so this is like obama 2.0 obama establish federal power in the executive branch like more than any other president in some cases and now you're going to see the politicization of everything that it out through all the different civil service and federal agencies you know you know you know a looking at. the role discourse in the u.s. more and more often you hear the the the the term to deprogram or reprogram trumps of borders again this has echoes of the soviet union or maybe you know their mission failed mission and i would like to say is the create the new man ok and

they failed but we see another attempt being laid out here in the west right now is to create a new person i guess not to be politically correct and what it that what that does is it in a daze i mean but in my opinion i'm not really productive her belly is that this is an attempt to negate the will be the entire. renaissance of western thinking i mean almost every single quarter they're trying to crush it ok and it is remarkable that he comes up it's coming from the west go ahead. you're absolutely right and just like in the senate union in 2 stages the 1st stage is an old don't demonize ational or your opponent i mean m s n b c mr haasan you know. on m s n b c he said that trump support us should be treated us before us who would just

walk creepy m.r.i.'s simply because they're white and bro and most of quote so this is someone who says it all imus n.b.c. a format. the hall of security official juliette agrees that we should treat make america great again movement as a terrorist movement and draw up as it's a summer been wound up again and of court so that the 1st stages of the top the demonization of their opponents you know that all demand is a bad man he's terrible now the creation of the new map is just amazing you know in a 1st thinks which is a magazine devoted to the problems of christianity protestantism there was a amazing article by carl truman just published recently where he writes that people inside the protestant congregations such as south and baptist those of them who do not believe critical race theory are nor won't be considered christians by the by their fellow protestants and there is

a big debate can you be christian and be white at the same time you know that's that's exactly what the bolsheviks were arguing about like can you be a communist why not be an appropriate area well yes if you are. if you can be you know if you're over came your class privilege if your knowledge they would say if you overcame your white privilege i mean this is the same basic obedience received an a but in a way kind of worse because they've been here stablish where the energy is now you must conform to that identity and if you're white well that's going to be kind of a tough thing to do i mean if it's not you know appealing to your heart suit minds ok i mean they're actually making making a case where you can not be redeemed again this is part of our western political culture here many a time i'm not advocating europe may provide a model one just look where i belong from this home and do it here she says that 1st that woman movement has to be decapitated trump is to be isolated she's forward

should be embarrassed and then trump should be mate mate forced to repudiate that's exactly in 1000. just in russia you know all people they who they are foals before they were going to cuba they had to see all these people who were my friends they're all treat us you know i absolutely have nothing to do with them and that these people. were isolated and that obviously a position inside the party was decapitated so if these are the same good always just same boards i would say ok now i'm you know what i'm sorry you had better go ahead i know the democrats whatever you call the left which will probably end up being the authoritarian right very soon they talk about inclusive of the they talk about diversity but only in ethnic terms or political identity terms not in terms of political beliefs or for instance the term nationalism has been merged to

mean white nationalism white supremacy all of us has been kind of you know put together in one omelette by the media by mainstream discourse and so nationalism is been kind of demonized as but that's absolute nationalism versus globalism that's a very real political choice that reflects the reality of the of the global situation but it's being basically crushed so that that gives you a clue as to the direction of travel of where the real policy is is going with the people who are basically doing this but to again the danger is if you marginalize a large group of people you demonize them you marginalize them that delta my goal is to disenfranchise them eventually and when you do that you will create the something that doesn't exist now to compare the trumper white militias and so

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