the way in the past 48 hours after being diagnosed with corona virus today we're going to look back in an interview i conducted with him at the i.c.a. in london when he launched a brand new show on after a lifetime spent within the confines of nature nation media larry king talks to me and bianca jagger in front of an invited audience about the 4th estate new liberal inequality and the race for the white house. i spoke this week to someone who has interviewed every president since nixon it was part of our tease celebrations of a decade of international broadcasting very king as shows politicking and larry king now come to artie on british t.v. he's from next week spoke to me in front of an invited audience at the institute of contemporary arts in london larry let's begin with that something that malcolm forbes said the owner of forbes magazine the founder at least said you created a vacuum and then you filled it one of them in i don't know what it meant. and i

was being our dinner in new york and not conform said been on my show quite a bit the late forms and. my radio show had really taken off and we started 36 stations and 600 stations and i just started on c.n.n. . and i had written like 12 books at the time so he says i guess he meant that i had there was nothing there i created a vacuum and filled it i guess they all left perhaps he was getting at the idea that you change formats just when formats are getting going like for instance obviously cable television news alert satellite news so much of. of life is timing and luck what right turn left turn if you went out here you made bad move and didn't make that move and so i was there at the right at the right time anyway so then along came national radio which was unheard of there was no network

national talk show and the mutual broadcasting system the owner of a like my work is another thing we have to like you this is very subjective business so they like me and i got a national radio talk show and then ted turner used to be on that show and he liked me and he had an opening and he called and that led to c.n.n. and that lasted. 25 and a half years at the same time on the same network which set a record and then when i came to an end i really thought i could retire and then artie came along do you think all these different formats are going to influence the 2016 presidential race now they already have the social network helped elect barack obama it was the 2 greatest campaigns ever in american history or obama's campaign that he hadn't won the 2nd time before it even started because of the social networks and the way they think that they did it around the

country they had networks of people young people working hard in all cities and even after the 1st debate which romney had won i had a republican insider tell me. kimmel mean he said you know the race is over and i said yeah romney was very effective so obama's one already they knew already so social network the whole rigamarole donald trump i mean series adam we just had him on politics i mean only seen as a real politic guy or serving we do my wife and i do a podcast or what do you think and it was one event like it was his 1st pod cast and he's going to be on larry king now in november on larry king politicking donald's an old friend we go back a long way he said the more things about mexicans donald is donald i disagree completely with that statement but it forged in my head and donald is what he is you know he is he has an incredible ego. and it's not surprising anyone you know.

donna was the kind of guy who was his wife one night and said god it's cold and he said call me doll. no but donald trump is i don't think it's going to last but he has certainly said you know i started ross perot back in 1992 which was incredible pages american probably they say going to be comfortable which is a way inadvertently said he was running for president so what happened was i kept i asked them early in the show but he will cause he been outspoken about some public things and he was a very famous businessman and he said no but this was all instinct right near the end of the show all i said was asked was are there any circumstances by which you would run any anything and he said well if they put me on the ballot

in all 50 states. you got to put me on about an offer to say as an independent and as we were leaving he says you think this is going to go i said this is i think it's really or and he called me a week later when it started to boom in and c.b.s. started covering it me came on my show so many times when he went back to his hotel room the bellman gave him a $10.00 contribution to this campaign and he said boy that you know he didn't need the $10.00 but is able to sign to somewhere i mean one of the almost 20 percent of the world you can get it you can get quite angry when a guest is on the phobic racist that always i always wonder i mean you do that you call those moral issues that is brought on our class a moral issue i can't help myself in a moral issue so if it's racism i could not step back when someone for some interviewed governor wallace of alabama he changed later on

he went completely 180 degrees but he was like you know. he came in it was like i don't see any black ops here at the station i bet i said well they own the station or up to lunch. and so on that issue the race issue and on the issue of the holocaust awkward in a job he drove me nuts. he he drove me up for i really had i liked him it was something about of that was likable but his opinions. so we're discussing israel of course and there's all these arabian guys around and. i said to him well what is your gripe against israel he said what israel should be in poland. because that's where the crimes occurred the crimes that the germans committed did not occur in the middle

east so why didn't they take a big part of poland and make that israel rather than put israel in the middle east and i shit well i'm ok you got a point we could discuss that is the lamprey book and many said and if there was a how it forced and i stopped them if i said i wouldn't get off it so he kept trying to go on to another thing it might have saying if that was our person and it drove me nuts so those kind of things you go over the line but all my life i would say 98 percent of the interviews i've done you didn't know what i thought welfare and issues are going to be in the 26 in campaign because you yourself when i was told yours were innocent of a tax credit it will britain big issue it will be a part of an issue of of. where you focus your energy in

a budget and the republican side of it is that we should have we should to our 1st concern to be about defense and the democratic side is the 1st concern should be about health and welfare and they clash over that eventually what happens is as lyndon johnson once said you have to give a little on both sides so the defense side you can spend billions has been a little less than that the give and take that's what it is the best argument i ever heard for the social side of the question. was mariel home of the lake mary home of was a dear friend he was the 1st guest on c.n.n. . i counted him just one of the great bend of unknown. and i said give me the difference in your philosophy and this could well work in britain too with your new head of the labor your philosophy versus your opponent's philosophy with it and he's all ok. i'll put it down in human terms and think of

this image human terms is a lot of crime in the neighborhood. and this plainly of for man a woman son the daughter. they need a new lock on the door and the lot was 25 years. you got to get the law it's crime going to get the law. the daughter. has a severe flu and he's got to get medication. in the medication plus the same as the op. anybody else crime. or anybody. said i by the law. so on that simple question i bottle out how i knew from a person was when my father died we were on we call it relief. now it's called

welfare but we got new york city bought my 1st pair of lessons they paid our rent for 3 years was one mother i was 9 to have my brother was 6 of the have she couldn't work. i knew what it was like to see an inspector come to the house to see what kind of meat my mother was buying he would open the refrigerator the icebox open the icebox and see why what are you buying fried meat she would spend more in private means spend less on herself so i remember those days and we didn't like them but we appreciated them. i appreciate that new york city came through for me. you mentioned defense. versus welfare did have a feeling these thousands of individuals with politicians that you are interviewing puppets with a good intention and it was k.

street the big lobbyist some of the maybe the defense companies that are behind it all and you are just the puppet masters of their own k. street and you're talking to the puppets yeah i don't look good you're looking at motives. i don't try to. the people on k. street i knew them the lobbyists they said we're lobbying for a good cause you know we you need that extra ship you need that destroyer because they come from a place they may be getting paid for it but i never i never tried to insinuate that there was a motive behind their operator i believe their believes are what they are or is i don't question a person stands up and says what they believe i don't question i question them but i don't question that they don't believe what they're saying going to them at all in all cases. well some of it. i'm not there to

find out the wire. if i know it's a lie i'm going to go in and investigate it but i don't. i'm not right or the time you know i don't you know something bertrand russell the great philosopher nobel prize winner when he was 95 years old he was the dinner and so national morning you know and he said the only thing i know is. i don't i try to get as cers i ask questions i have opinions. but at the core of it what do we know. all we know is to s. as our t. says question more. after the break larry king on has a question for bianca jagger on america's bizarre voting system and he tells us about the most powerful interview of his career so far.

in 24 to you know bloody revolution here to clear the demonstrations going from being relatively peaceful political protests to be creasing the violent revolution is always spontaneous or is it just always here i mean your list put video through in the new bill is that i mean you scrolling needle the former ukrainian president

recalls the events of 2014. those who took part in the studio over $5000000000.00 to assist ukraine in these and other calls it will ensure a secure and prosperous and democratic. in the 2nd half of our 10th anniversary event with larry king. we threw questions over to the floor of the i.c.a. and 1st up with council of europe goodwill ambassador bianca jagger saya hersh great journalist of course i'm writing my lai massacre i don't doubt it gets too noisy he's written controversial stuff about syria. he can't get published in the new yorker so her she's banned from the new yorker yeah he said he was on going

underground actually when he when he explained why you were on syria they just didn't want it was about what did he say he was talking about chemical the claims the syrian government used chemical weapons and syrian people i'm surprised i'd like to talk to shah. one because he's a great journalist and to the new yorker i've never known them to back off on something if you had good evidence that one side said the accusations were wrong according to sources yeah but you know the new yorker and ahmadinejad's get back to us i think we benefit right open p.-i janet here. is why you dear i'm well i'm very happy to see you in a long time and i know we missed you but i want to know who do you think is going to be the kind of the day democrats bernie sanders or hillary clinton

i love bernie. i know hillary alone why i believe usually many times because she's got. the best financed she hasn't cool credible resume bernie sanders is a wonderful guy and a lot of things she says need to be said and amazing appeal to the youth and you got a love of music i. but hillary is so well entrenched on so if she's not indicted if they don't get her on something from she's going to run and she's going to get the nomination and in my opinion she the heavy she's a heavy favorite now in las vegas to win because the republicans haven't found the new ones right guy probably you know the you know the giver of time trump if you were of time because he speaks the truth the nice forceful and he would be right up the bay have all it can raise every candidate has weaknesses but hillary is well

entrenched and we have an electoral system in america that i don't necessarily agree with. but the state votes or what whoever wins in that state you get their full electoral count so i live in california my vote is meaningless hillary clinton will win california this debate she will win the california electoral votes if you're a democrat living in utah your vote is meaningless the republican candidate will win the nomination to win the election in will in in utah so it comes down to ohio and florida those 2 states will decide the election and whoever wins those 2 states and i would make hillary the favorite the most disappointing candidate has been jeb bush i know jeb a long time used to be on my show in miami and i can't believe that he has lost all of gravitas it is a little something's missing which you have is bright for this something and i love

his this was a great guy that is too liberal for the republicans. he's trying not to be liberal they used to be a big liberal base in the republican party big moderately one of the greatest politicians i own that was george romney mitt's father who was a liberal republican governor of michigan. that they were evaporated you know find a liberal republican of the republicans case it is probably will liberal high yelled he came from the b.b.c. . for many years you worked for scene and iconic american old american network and now you're all embarking on working for the russian network was that conflicting for you know was inflicting one they distribute our program the r d i will say this they have never interfered with half the shows it could critical

of food. they have never taken anything out i've never heard anything from them don't do this don't miss this don't interview that person. so i'm i'm ok i'm a communicator and in my whole career of very serious 58 years i have never. had a boss a general manager a program director come over to me and say don't have this guest don't ask that question now that never happened after the b.b.c. when i worked there. katherine wiley from the press association and i just want to play you thought piers morgan wasn't a success for them c.n.n. as you were and does you watch many of his shows i watched a few my problem with piers was nothing personal but he was the end to this is the work i was as in so there are of it was all about him so

he used the word i a lot and i just so when i was asked this i was as i said look i like them personally but that's not my type of show i don't i don't break gas and i don't i don't make it about me because this isn't a prop i didn't enjoy it and i would say that about any host who i felt. i didn't serve his audience well i think piers did not do that i didn't like that type of interview. i understand he's back in london. i don't europeans will you. larry is there anybody that you didn't get to meet that you would love to have met it's right your career is there one person that stands out clearly other than me that you think. i mean james garner if you didn't look like you. fidel castro i would have loved castro i want to have been

a peace jirga and. he ran his could he had his country long live in any person ever i don't think anybody ran a country for 60 years and he's a fascinating person to be a revolutionary came down from the hills i was on the radio the morning he marched i was on the radio in miami the morning he marched into. and i've always had a fascination with him i want to have and it's a beautiful silly and we still haven't been able to work about ted turner tried to get him for me because ted to fish with them a lot and he's a baseball guy and i like baseball it's almost tried to make something of with that but it would have been castro i missed ice cream well no you you still can. oh i would go tomorrow to. preach on i was at work up the road my whole. and all the interviews you've done which is moved you the most emotionally whether

it's a spiritual leader you met or probably less likely but a politician or somebody who's given a personal testimony of war crimes whatever what sort of what's in your memory what's the most powerful there's a very good question. i've had some great over the years i've been blessed to a bit of you know 8 presidents. and there's so many one i've interviewed jackie robinson martin luther king but the most emotional interview. was with the new york city cop. this cop. we booked him and i had the know what the story was i just knew that he was on the new york city police force and that was shot in an incident in central park and he was in a wheelchair and and paralyzed for life and he had

a little child who he couldn't feel so i was 3 years old. and he came with his wife and child and to tell his story and his story was that his father was a cop his grandfather was a cop he wore he's the worst of the police in uniform public relations the city of new york and i says what happened he said he was there was a series of a bike that fits in central park some people were stealing bikes and he was on patrol driving in a squad car with his fellow patrol and they spotted this black kid with a brand new schwinn bike and he got out of the car and was approaching the kid and the kid shot. to shot. he really didn't feel pain he remembered a puff of smoke coming out of this thing him of falling down he remembered the ride

in the ambulance the game last rites of the catholic church and he thought he was going to die anyway survived but he paralyzed that down his with his wife was pregnant at the time gave birth to this little boy who has never been able to touch . and what happened was he. he wondered why did this boy shoot. and the boy was in jail. when as a minor he was 17 and he was in for attempted murder. i don't know what the sentence was but anyway he went to visit the kid. and the kid came out and in the cell the kid and he said to the kid why did you shoot me. and the kid said. i've been saving for this bike for 4 years work to deliver groceries. i'm an

a student. and i finally got my bike. and you with that 10 cops to stop me today that tend. to stop me what are you doing with this bike and then become said i asked him. well would. what is would we do and then the kid said to him. would you have stopped me if i were white. and the cop said he had to think about it and just the fact that he had a think about it made him understand oh he's wrong we could have a gun in his brother's gun he was holding it wasn't never had anything wrong with him but he is a kid stopped 10 times because he had

a new bike just because he was black and frustration and. bam. and the cop. is the father but come became the kid's big brother and he got him out of jail and the kid came. thank you i've tried arnie and i think that's so i am glad u.s. that because you know they think it just in news and everything just flows were a viable it but you crowd. the legend that was larry king speaking to me back in 2015 before the birth of black lives matter protests across american cities during the obama administration

and the trumpet ministration condolences from all the team here and going underground will be back on wednesday when we continue to bring you stories not on so-called mainstream media we'll be speaking to the united nations relief and works agency in gaza about whether israel is breaking the 4th geneva convention over coronavirus evacuation but also be speaking to a member of the trumpet 20 advisory board a former intelligence officer until then you can talk but it's because for example . telegraph the mutual. those of us who watch carefully the russia game hawks always worried that it would eventually become the foundation for policy the by the ministry has done exactly the same in what to do with transfer foreigners or american liberals the reason is

so you see. right now there are. people who are overweight or obese it's profitable to self. and sugary and salty and addictive. not at the individual level it's not individual willpower and if we go on believing that never change this obesity epidemic that industry has been influencing very deeply the medical and scientific establishment . what's driving the obesity epidemic it's corporate profit.

so you can i'm a phone man smoked by still making fun of me to mark them up one of them for appointments you know families and love photos of stuff to get a. lot of was all but i just i think i think. she was you make them. more serious for them. then bombard summed up by my book you go you go british course that's enough of them stuff. i mean the guy did that and of course i don't want any of. it. to. be.

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