to. protect its own existence is. a 3rd night of violence breaks out in the netherlands as riots again flare up over new covert curfews following a weekend. over the country's tough lockdown. it comes after countries face a shortfall in deliveries of vaccines the supplier astra zeneca the latest to warn it can only provide 60 percent of what it had promised. states to look for alternatives. for a reliable vaccine we have concluded a treaty today under which russia will deliver a vaccine to hungry in 3 stages. and while the new u.s.

president pledges to speed up in the vaccine rollout a public health agency chief admits they have no idea how much vaccine the country has as several states reported shortages. stick around kevin though i know will bring you more news next hour but right now it is crosstalk on our to international and in the u.k. and ireland renegade is next stay with us. welcome to crossfire we're all things are considered. those of us who watched carefully the russia gate hoax always worried. that would eventually become the

foundation for policy the biden ministration has done exactly this and what to do when trump supporters are american liberals embracing the soviet experience. to discuss these issues and more i am joined by my guest to kennington employment he's the editor and founder of the 21st century wire and here in moscow we're joined by dimitri bobbitt she is a political analyst and editor and you know internet media project telling process rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciated when i was going to patrick in plymouth well a by did ministration is started its foreign policy approaches 0 and of course russia is as always close to the top for some reason and those of us didn't watch the russia gave hoax over these years we always lamented as i said in my introduction that it would bleed into policy well it is done that ok well we we

have mixed signals i mean we can talk about the 5 year extension on the new start treaty that's about to expire next month which is good news and we always cheer for good news but i wonder if there's going to be linkages because we still have this rhetoric of russia interfering meddling in american politics so it's never never spoken out why wouldn't allow that the united states medals in every country's internal politics here so a mixed bag patrick but as i like to i'd like to stress is that this dictation story russia gate has bled into policy and that's something that we all worried about go ahead with something that we were warning about from the very beginning is the danger of allowing a sort of official conspiracy theory to permeate into you know public life into the national discourse and of and ultimately into foreign policy those support the most dangerous. part of it and that's very regrettable unfortunately and i think this is

the fact that none of this actually makes sense from a logical point of view and it's purely based on power politics internal u.s. power politics this doesn't really bode well for the united states as a world power as a sort of competent world power at the top of the sort of the you know the governing hierarchy of the global is late stage empire i suppose you could call it and it's not really a about competence anymore it's about being in power and you keep hearing this domestically in power the transition of power and power this is kind of a new thing in america we didn't always used to talk like this back through history the power is with the people and normally politicians and government are serving at the pleasure of the electorate at the end of the day but that seems to have basically inverted blend decent pieces interesting. he's talking about how the old

cold war paradigm was defined by the west being capitalist christian and democratic and the soviet bloc in the being communist atheist and authoritarian and this is kind of flipped right now in a strange way i would call it instead of capitalism in america you've got crony capitalism and what i would call suicide socialism in terms of policy atheism is definitely in the ascendancy in america despite what the christian right might be where they're at and you instead of democracy you have a plutocracy quite clearly and that really coalesce as with power so these dialectic seem to have flipped and in terms of foreign policy there's still going to double down on this rhetoric about where democratic nations and d. 10 this is the new sort of al growth of the g. 7 this is the g 7 plus india south korea and australia and that and biden is really going to do. use this word we're the leading democracies of the world the high

council of democracy and this will use this to sort of try to legitimize whatever policies coming down the pipeline god knows what you know the middle east might be in store for or what eastern europe might be in store for but you have these micro-managers now back in power. after the interesting thing is if you're going to use the instrument of democracy will ask how the electorate in the united states what they think about elections right now so i mean it is just laughable on its face ok of course this is the 10th thing is it's going to be a substitute for the united nations and be militarized it will mirror nato we have seen this movie before it ends badly you know the interesting thing you know from the russian side they always expect the worst which they feel they should that's a reasonable position ok. you know who they want to have president you know trump or clinton or trump or biden is just this is ridiculous it's kind of

sophomore and criminology that we've all gotten used to unfortunately but there is a little bit of a difference here since the cold war we had every single incoming and ministration wanting some kind of reset that was the term they used when obama came to power. but that's not the case right now that's not the case now at all i mean it's the the the new administration is started out openly hostile and you know and one's on one hand hostile and then the other are they talking about the possibility of extending the new start treaty which you know we all know historically arms control agreements have linkage ok so if mr blinken thinks otherwise he shouldn't have his job and i'm pretty convinced he shouldn't have his job but that's a topic for another program go ahead. well according to the way just information that biden said an inspiration is going to extend the day they said. they would

extend it for 5 years it was all there was open your position created from a big story a new one who is now the deputy secretary of state you know a pretty important position for someone who is responsible for the deaths of about 13000 people in ukraine you know she was responsible for this transfer of power as they all that but in fact it was a biology school in which at least 38 policemen died you know hundreds were mean and they called it peaceful demonstrations so unfortunately we're dealing here with just a completely twisted you know vision or the universal of the war that these people have i'm very glad that back used to the water power yes indeed it was not in fashion in the united states but in the soviet union the what oh he was very important in the beginning you know when bolsheviks can compile all of your power you know we hold the power that was there the slogan that lenin used when he seized

power in 1970 so basically i'm not against any leftist and your your i'm against the trajectory and leftist ideology i'm not against liberal ideology i'm against this but the new theory invariant which they have now unfortunately or starting to have in the united states and in that sense again patrick got it absolutely right when you say that the old rules have somewhat you know been flipped you know this this time and here i'm going to quote an article by our friend glenn discern on our to his web site i think it kind of summarizes what barack just said the liberal international order has attempted to recast the form a capitalist corman is divided with an imperial authoritarian divide however there you go you can compete incompatibility between american liberalism and russian conservatism is less convincing for example not all former and best that russia michael mcfaul cautions against which and sniff areas conservative might you. he

committed to christian traditional family values mcfall views it as a threat to neighbor all international order and of hope well indeed the roles have been flipped i mean at and the finest side of it is that putin actually did not plan to be you know that's why you know. and i can shine in our defanged increased in badness he had a walk more distance by relations but he came to power in the year 2000 i think you want to crush it to be a normal east european country you know. expand union connections go there where development in sicko and i mean in course with the united states and with your opinion about the problem is that these people you know this ideology pushes him into the conservative camp if you want and makes him defend christian values even more than he would probably like to you know you know it's interesting is that it's . the ideas of george of can in the in the american ambassador to the soviet union

very end of the a 2nd world war. came with this famous telegram in foreign affairs you know and it was can do contain the soviet union which i think is very interesting because that it that's come back into vogue michael nichols name has already been mentioned here but you have these neo cons and i know i have a new phrase obama because that's who's in the white house they like to bandy that about but they think they completely overlook ken in actually had to say when the soviet union came to the end the warsaw pact dissolve the expanding nato would be a catastrophic mistake ok why don't you quote that part of the can in. legacy here go ahead patrick jump in no it is a it's a great point and just to carry on from what demon was saying to the dialectic they're trying to construct is that you know the west is liberal russia is authoritarian and you know anything east is authority. and that's the dialectic but

really you have to look at the new phenomenon which peter you've just alluded to which is liberal authoritarianism and sort of enforcing global wolken if for instance and if you look at how the media was covering the syrian war for instance in the early days a lot of it was you know we need to liberate these people who. communities being suppressed they do the same with russia as well they champion the kurdish cause because the kurds are woke the kurds are l.g.b. t. friendly and this is what we need to get behind their like us basically we need to support them and so that's the kind of resin d'etre that's driving the under. but you have the paradox of realism in the sense that you know if you look at the way can waltz into all the cold war years you know during the cold war to construct a this paradigm was based on bipolar power distribution globally ok but what you have now is it's never changed the liberal international order liberal

internationalism israel ism because you have countries like the united states whoever is the most powerful has the most resources has the most capabilities in terms of the us its hard power soft power with media and also smart power with n.g.o.s that's a new development in terms of you know will to disrupt destabilize a country of throw its government out in a coup or what not that that wasn't really articulated very well by the great you know international relations scholars during the cold war because they were really concentrating more on hard power and you know just did general heavyweight bouts basically but that's the paradox of realism is that realism still governs the liberal international order it's a it's of the liberal international order is a farce and the press don't cover the subterfuge because then. that takes the you

know the it gives the game away the last 30 seconds before we go to the break is just amazing how these people confuse your story go you know when mcfall colds mike. cameron or the need to contain russia you forget it's there. 50 years later in 1001000 now and you know when the neighbor was explaining kevin gave an interview to almost friedman all of the new york times but he said the expansion of nato was a mistake and that we should find it is spoken dane and russia in the same way france negra when he compared what happened put on the capitol hill to the kristallnacht in germany in 1038 big xacto replica of christe on up was in kiev you know where the ukrainian nationalist boy couldn't russian banks it was the same as me. you know you really want to work with these people just don't know history in their own willing to learn it here ok i'm going to jump in here we're going to go

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welcome to cross up were all things are considered remote you were discussing some real news. go back to. go to me you sent up particularly an article up from the atlantic which was so interesting we should actually talk about it it was published in the atlantic on january the 19th and it's what to do with trumpets and if i could read the subtitle here the proper response to these extremists is not counterterrorism it's mental hygiene explain the last sentence how do you interpret that well in order to understand it correctly you must be familiar with the storm your true press your psychiatry because it was a very soviet idea that anyone who disagrees with the mainstream is nots you know

he's somehow not nomo you know he needs to be correct that the soviets even invented a special term for it and they called it all kind of schizophrenia you know these people just don't perceive. the new york times perceives it that means they have schizophrenia you know what that means and what moment and it's amazing you know that the author stops 1st he just speaks about repression he speaks about putin in jail everyone who basically was in any way involved in the action at the capital i think it was a crime and there should be consequences but putting people in jail for 3 years for 3 minutes of self aggrandizing like that. what though his name was that's that's cruel you know that's a more moral but let me call it what mr graham would writes in that plane take. the law enforcement should come dahlan in charge of all the answer actually yes problem the for. guys to the grayness bowls in for photo ops the vigor with which federal

prosecutors have been pursuing them proves that the united states has not been corrupted completely reasons exist to hold such people as these that's the end of the court so basically interim lines mean all of my us you know when in the soviet union. dissidents 1st maimed and sheen you know if you participate in some kind of a demonstration you know if you disagree openly that your a good normal you should be ashamed and yes sometimes you should be put in prison and of course the west is march more impressive than the east you know just to preempt all the future questions what happened in moscow on sunday you know all these people who want to go free they could get you know they demonstrate some kind of a stage and if they spend millions because they would come there as we did in 1900

when we protested against the communist regime but they wanted to provoke asian they wanted a clash with police saw 4000 of them which means you know every person for 3000 people even in moscow moscow is a seat of 12000000 people so police says there were 4000 well they say there are 440000 even if there were 40000 it's just one person for 300 muskets they came to the police and they have scuffles with police using children as human shields you know guys all of 1415 years of age that's not democracy and what happens in the united states simply because you were near that building since it is simply because you were hit in something stupid the federal prosecutors after you and someone in their twenty's markley views of you know of one corruption ok i am obviously of 3 of us and i'm sure viewers agree the protest design is long as you do it legally in without any use of violence and i think. that should be

a universal thing that we all should embrace here but patrick here then the the a bit it's not about the events on the capitol for goodness sake ok this is a cudgel here ok because the the the impending purge was our it had been invasion before the the events on the counter also and i mean this just goes back to is something that we talk in the 1st part of the program is that it is a liberal totalitarianism in play here and it is all about intolerance and and the refusal to have a debate i mean it's better to be the platform someone and disappears someone be monetized them instead of being gauging them in this is what this ideology has come to go ahead you know it's but it's pretty clear looking at the rhetoric i mean this is piece by the atlantic is just unbelievable but in a way it's a good it's a good sort of lesson of what the sort of mindset is at least in the coastal mainstream media echo chambers but what the direction of travel here is clearly the

real the real thing is isn't domestic terrorism here the direction of travel is the federal this federal power our the federal government versus everything else basically and so this is this is how it's shaping up the partisans on the left are amazing the democrats is if you look at their output over the last 5 years it's been russia russia russia and they're you know they're saying q and on this this online large conspiracy is like the equivalent to al qaida or isis but you know terms of we talked about russia gate actually affects us foreign policy i mean so that conspiracy theory has like real world implications global implications in fact but the problem is you have the liberal intelligentsia you have people who are populating the cabinet right now they teach at harvard they teach at all these top ivy league universities they've been telling their students absolute fiction. for

the last 5 years and these people in charge i think this really there's a degradation of not not not just discourse but there's a moral degree degradation in america at the intellectual at the so-called elite level the main mainstream media level where they don't care they want to blame the internet for the post truth world when in fact they created the post truth world government federal government mainstream media the if you look at the obama administration the how they wielded federal power how they politicize the department of justice that's what you're going to see under the biden harris administration is a really very authoritarian very much politicizing every agency his cabinet selections are all based on political identity practically so it means everything is politicized so this is like obama 2.0 obama stablish federal power in the executive branch like more than any other president in some cases and now you're

going to see the full politicization of everything that it out through all the different civil service and federal agencies you know you know you know a looking at. the role discourse in the u.s. more and more often you hear the the the there term to deprogram or reprogram trumps of borders again this has echoes of the soviet union or maybe you know their mission failed mission and i would like to say is they create the new man ok and they fail but we see another attempt being played out here in the west right now is to create a new person i guess not to be politically correct and what it what that does is it in a gaze i mean but in my opinion i am not really her belly is that this is an attempt to negate the will be the entire. renaissance of. western thinking i

mean a lot and every single quarter they're trying to crush it and it it's remarkable that it comes out it's coming from the ones go ahead. you're absolutely right and just like in the search union it comes in 2 stages the 1st stage is a total demonization of your opponent i mean m s n b c mr haas are you know. on m m s n b c he said that trump supporters should be treated s. al qaeda followers who just walked free here m r us simply because they're white rather than bro and muslim and of course so this is somebody named manuka son who says it on amazon be a former department for homewards security official juliette kayyem agrees that we should treat make america great again movement as a terrorist movement and trumpeted into other again and of course so the 1st stage is the top 2 demonization of the opponent you know that all the man is

a bad man he's terrible now the creation of the new map is just amazing you know in a 1st think which is a magazine devoted to the problems of christianity protestantism there was a amazing article by current truman just published recently where he writes that people inside the protestant congregation such a southern baptist those of them who do not believe critical race theory are no longer considered christians by their own fellow protestant and there is a big debate can you be christian and be white and think time well that's that's exactly what the bolsheviks were arguing about like can you be a communist by not being a protection well yes if you are like lenient across if you can be you know if you overcame your class privilege if you are now they would say if you're over came your white privilege well i mean same basic evidently thin. but in

a way kind of worse because they say they have established what the identity is now you must conform to that identity and if you're white well that's going to be kind of a tough thing to do i mean it's not you know a pretty appealing to the hearts and minds ok and i mean they're actually making making a case where you cannot be redeemed again this is part of our western political culture here let it happen not get here at the maid of honor one just look where i'm going from this home and do what he came she says that 1st that woman movement has to be decapitated probably has to be isolated he's for what should be embarrassed and then should be mate mate forced to repudiate that's exactly 1000 soldiers in russia you know all people they repudiate they are false before they were going to cuba they had to see all these people who were my friends they're all traitors you know i absolutely have nothing to do with them and then these people.

'd that were isolated and then obviously a position inside the party was decapitated so if these are the same to go which is same warts i would say ok now and you know what i'm sorry better go ahead no the democrats the whatever you call the left which will probably end up being the authoritarian right very soon they talk about inclusive of the they talk about diversity but only in ethnic terms or political identity terms not in terms of political beliefs or for instance the term nationalism has been merged to mean white nationalism white supremacy all of this is been kind of you know put together in one omelette by the media by mainstream discourse and so nationalism is been kind of demonized as but that's an absolute nationalism versus globalism that's a very real political choice that reflects the reality of the of the global situation but it's being. basically crushed so that that gives you

a clue as to the direction of travel of where the real policy is is going with the people who are basically doing this what to again did the danger is if you marginalize a large group of people you demonize them you marginalize them that the ultimate goal is to disenfranchise them eventually and when you do that you will create the something that doesn't exist now to compare that trumper white militias and so forth to to isis or al-qaeda doesn't exist i've i have seen and heard you know going to your settlement running out of time to actually creating a political party and that's you know were it not you know i want to make my guest lemonade here a muslim i want to thank our viewers watching as you know our member. wrong

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