what happens defenses in britain delegates who watch kaiser report. hello and welcome to cross talk where all things are considered on peter lavelle the newly inaugurated american president joe biden calls for unity in a country sharply divided at the same time big tech continues to be platform individuals and even cancel their competition and still others are calling for trump supporters to be deprogrammed so much for unity.

to discuss these issues and more i'm joined by my guest in baltimore we have him and shot man he is a political activist and in beirut we process george ion he is a republican analyst and an international political strategist are in jamaica hospitals in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i was appreciate it oh it's going to be and 1st here again joe biden during his inaugural address asked for unity and but at the same time as i said in my introduction here that unity. hope is not kind of universal i mean in many ways it looks like the democrats are really so we're winners ok i mean where is the embrace of the not the defeated the bankwest year because i think that that would be a good step in the right direction because it seems like the the the call for unity is kind of holloway at this point here your thoughts. sure and yeah well i

definitely think there is a call for unity but the call for unity is mostly around moderates like the moderate democrats that are leading this call for unity so i think what the democrats are trying to do is create a powerful large and. unfavorable bloc in the congress of moderate republicans and moderate democrats you look at people like susan collins senator collins or. romney these are the folks that are being rewarded by the biden now palosi and schumer hand in hand coming congressional block these are the folks who are going to be basically forming a a large centrist establishment agenda in the next coming 2 years so you're going to see critics on the left who have completely vanished in the democratic party say that way they're not going to become critic they're not going to rally around a left flank it's not going to happen and i could tell you why but i think more troubling is that the republicans are going to become well they are leaderless they're completely leaderless right now and they're just going to let the moderate

republicans have their day within that block and you're going to see a unity and a healing process and it's going to be more establishment business as usual you're not going to actually address the crises that our country faced it's not going to address the housing crisis we're not going to get universal health care we're not going to actually deal with growing inequality we're not going to deal with money and politics instead it's going to be a lot of pomp and circumstance and evidently no real actually and you know i agree with you i don't think there's going to be much movement in policy but what i'm worried about is that instead of dealing seriously with policy issues is that you know you continue to demonize trump supporters that's a substitute for doing something else and i think that's really dangerous because i mean let's face it the 1st things they did joe biden did just not very popular in the country i mean these are not things that are you know like 9010 you know in public opinion polls are very very divisive and he went down the road of culture wars which you know. george i can go to you you know i've been an advisor who would

have said get those checks out ok i mean everybody wants that ok immigration reform and reversing what trump did we can argue those were good or bad but and then you know it's saying that sexual identity is. equivalent to gender which again that is a very very divisive thing for a lot of people here so you know it seems to me that if these are on the wrong track and when you can't have a majority majority hereon agenda you're going to go both divisive and that's what a lot of democrats have done i'm going to talk about deprogramming later you're. well i would say where i disagree with ian is that the idea that the far left flank and democratic party will vanish i don't agree with that at all i think i think they'll be emboldened because we still have midterm elections coming they will be primary challenges to moderates kind of establishment consensus democrats that said that even mentioned because that trend has been happening and it's been successful and that will continue and that's kind of normal and it's

a party system just as there will be a fight for the as as the invention for the hard sell the republican party as well with the trouble arisen democrats being sore winners i mean if you decide to be fair to some extent there's this kind of nothing that biting to do right when it comes to that people are still are it's a break up that just happened they lost nothing is going to satisfy a lot of them are the 74000000 people that voted for trump and not all of those people agree with what happened at the capitol police altering and they react so so you know those people not a lot of them not a lot of friends and family among them that and rare very normal you know otherwise sensible americans who are just hurt because their guy lost and it doesn't feel good to lose especially when you know something your chest that you're the greatest for 4 years and so those people are stung from that and it will take them time to get over it but we will see him mention we will go back to business as usual in washington where he had a like i think i'm a disagree with me a lot of republicans term still is their leader ok i mean for better or worse i'm not. i'm going to i'm not going to make a judgment here but also it's also very clear that a lot of democrats of

a lot of republicans in congress are not particularly popular or even interesting people i mean and it's really if you really look at the bit if you seriously if you look at the defendant let's we can take fox ok over the last over during the time he was in office your job and i mean really republicans came out night after night and back to rip the president speak and it's like maybe half a dozen ok i mean most people most republicans cannot name more than 2 or 3 people in congress. and the republican party is so i mean i think it is leaderless right now but for a lot of republicans trump is still their leader and it's going to be difficult for the republican party to resolve this go ahead here well this is why this is why this upcoming gaiety and thank you for actually i think that there is a larger point to what you just said peter which is the fact that i don't think that that the platforming of trump was the beginning of the end i think that was

the end of the end i think at the beginning of the end was when fox news turned on him and completely dialed down the trump rhetoric and the trump supporters of the right on your show i think that big media in general has been just throttling back trump completely and now if you want to get back into the limelight he's really got a company either his own media network and his own social media network and he's been completely wiped away before it's well i mean it may happen it may not but i think that this is i think that the democrats have are seeing the lesson here i think the lesson of the democrats are learning if you agree with speaker pelosi even when speaker pelosi insults the green new deal and insults congresswoman cortez she still went back and said oh no she's calling it a dream and a good way she's not insulting me and because of that because of that willingness to embrace the. your policy and the democratic establishment

a socialist like congressman cortez has gotten far more media attention than the other socialist in the senate bernie sanders who has been there for decades who got no media attention until he was able to pull it up himself and then got squashed by the democratic party i think that the quote unquote squad their goal is to become the norm in the democratic party i agree with you there george but i think that they are playing a really really long game which really means are incremental absolutely we truly mean that they're genuinely we're just taking her word and spirit ok will it do this in a 100 years love it's a look it's only a matter of time it's only a matter of time until we have a president a 0 c. a o d a o e a o f i mean that's going to happen one day well i think it will and let george let's kind of discuss that i mean they took it away from bernie twice why would they take that away block and i don't know as the in saying i mean but bernie is like that you know the dyed in the wall socialist has been has been there forever it isn't any. any media savvy and the way that this so-called squad does i mean the face is

changing this young you know sort of a cultural face of the party is going to force to be reckoned with and if you join the republicans going to have to figure out how to deal without without just trying to raise money to fight against i mean alexandria ok so cortez has been the greatest fundraising gift to these republicans that you could ever ask for much more than senators for example but that is for sure but at the same time the goods remember recent history here is that you know. there was this movement in the comedian jimmy door and other progress progress here pushing force the vote and you know it was you know you know a razor thin margins you know put pressure on palosi and they all caved like a house of cards ok i mean it was so much smoke but no heat ok yeah and so it seems to me that the court. a lock hold on the

democratic party it's the it's there i mean this is one of the things i find very hilarious you know because it took the lurch to socialism no it's the continuation of neo liberalism on steroids because they have a jew year window and that's what they want to push right here we want to jump into you both agreeing or get well i mean. right. i mean this whole i frankly i find the whole socialism talking point comical i mean when when i do generalize you know fortunately about you know a budget is 10100 years late to the party my got my friends you know you talk about a budget a fortune in dollars of which half of which is spent of which half is spent on medicare and on social security essentially you know that's 2 trillion dollars a year spent on programs and you still the private insurance to cover it i mean that's like socialism but just done really really badly so this is just you know it's just the word being used for political point to another or. it's another word from her because i'm on my side i think i agree with your sentiment is going to make sure that that i'm clear on my position on this which is that this is

absolutely not socialism and the republican party has gone on and the mainstream establishment right with them from talking about mainstream media in calling basic keynesian economics socialism it's absolutely not socialism it is capitalism i think that if you actually saw a socialist solution to the it due to our problems so what you're talking about peter like a universal health care or which it which wouldn't even be a real social solution at this point it would just upgrade the u.s. to 1st world status like every other country in the world and it's not really that socialist but in the middle of a pandemic we're still not getting basic progressive proposals like canceling rent but that has to be done during the pandemic in some if it's on matter because people are going to have battery to do and they'll be massive dictions or has to be a policy in place for that i don't think they're going to have one or can live student. you know what i think is really innocent agenda that we're just not seeing

. this should be a bipartisan thing you know a 12 month 18 month you know national unity got to get through this year because if you don't have an economy then you're not going to have been tax base and not going to tax base then all of the goodies that everybody wants is not going to be there i mean that but that peter that's a dead national unity 12 to 18 month nationally and that's a dead letter with the state of the country right now i agree it's just so completely divided and not great to the point that people don't i don't want to watch the inauguration and i thought i didn't think lady gaga sang the song well because biden is the president i mean you know it's to this level it's so petty it's really it's you know as i keep saying to people it's like you know baseball doesn't care who wins the world series only fans of the teams care wins the world series so it's business as usual. oh well you know it's because of this kind of false consciousness of our politics you know you know it you know trump resides in everyone's brain free of charge ok in the end this is what somehow what we've gotten down to i mean i'm sick and tired of talking about donald trump i think

we've got to get back to talking about what's his name who we're talking about what's his name ok because after that exactly that's how frankly though that's how people should be behaving right now he's i got you i don't as a republican i see how to get our why didn't you harm great guy that one of your discussion on joe biden's call for unity say with r.t. .

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welcome to crossfire all things are considered unimpeded a little reminder we're talking about biden's call for unity. well jamie let me go back to you know let's talk. about the trump supporter ok now again you know the mainstream media is not it's not prone to it's actually programmed to go hyperbole ok and we had over the last couple of days since the tragic events of january 6 of you know what to do with the trump supporter and deprogramming and all this and i find that to be pathetic and obviously counterproductive one of the things i truly lament gentlemen is that after the election all the way up to the certification of the electors even up to the inauguration i think the biden orbit and i think the democratic party should have

said you know. we should have had a organized effort to explain to describe intell trump voters what happened in this election ok i don't know what happened in this election gentlemen one thing i know for sure there were a lot of ballots out there and that is a problem here and so i think that you know coming up to the events of the 6 of 6 anyway you know we should have explained to people there were disappointed now is there precedent for that i don't really think so but it was too important because now we have a very a country that is so divided and said i'm just saying you know you know banning any one person talking about you know stop this deal stuff you see i will explain why was it not stone i'll give you ask me a question i will give you evidence that should have been done that could have created some unity here is that reasonable go ahead. well. i i'm not sure about that but i do know that the way that big tech in particular and the mainstream media companies went after this is by simply deep battering people

canceling them censoring them making so they don't have a platform at all i mean that to me is very problematic because you have people that are already worried that maybe their guy was screwed over and then they're just off social media completely i mean the conspiracy theories had a field day and there's only january 6 right but i think what's really important to understand is from the left and i'm an independent leftist on the socialist and i'm certainly not of the democratic party we are being canceled and censored in deep platforms as well my organization in baltimore a people's power assembly was just the platform last week along with socialist workers party very left leaning party and in u.k. and now we're seeing members of the socialist equality party here in the u.s. also being the platform so i think there is a reprogramming going on but i think it's to center everyone's attention on that mainstream centrist agenda and engine really really really annoying because in the people's power assembly we were throwing very large black lives matter rallies

peaceful into the streets and marching on the streets in the thousands and now because facebook is censored us most of those people that saw on facebook saw that so a calendar event will not be able to see anything that happened all summer long so i think there's an agenda here the agenda is that there is one voice and if the establishment ways if you go outside of that mainstream on the left or the right you know you're off your ticked off it that they don't want to hear about it i think it's so i mean for me to see if you're a neo nazi or a holocaust denier i mean personally i would like to see laws about holocaust denial in this country you know my grandparents what role were to one of jewish descent that makes perfect sense to me but then we need police to enforce those laws we don't need social media or big check in forcing those laws there's. plenty of. the 2nd mentors out there you know who are champion who are cheering not a race war and stopping arsenals in their basements right now who actually i

thought were going to emerge on january 6th i don't understand where they were to be frank with you but they didn't hear anything that really supports no while they did yeah i mean we should all be lucky because i think it could have been a lot worse but the biggest problem is that then congress and the general government you know the federal in general has just said we're just going to let facebook deal with this which is going to twitter deal with this which is going to yell at them until they get back from people there was no actual work done at the federal level around actually going after writing opinion is that you know i don't want i don't you know i don't think the constitution should be replaced with the terms and services. as stablished by twitter and facebook ok they're terms of syria's not a substitute for the constitution and that's what is happening here i don't trust you know you know if they spoke in twitter i mean. they don't strike me as being particularly intelligent people ok i know they're they they want power and they want money ok i don't want and i don't think they should be given the keys to make the decisions ok i find that really problematic you know georgia the thing is the

immunity you know to this you platforming oh it does is it creates a a a tribal mentality and i agree it's very hard in a reinforces they're coming from either they want i agree with that's a couple things 1st i'll take your point about the ocean they just explain i mean peter that's like my parents trying to explain to my 11 year old self that nintendo doesn't she i'm people just made up this narrative that was cheating in the election and i'll be holding that but they're also fortini trump got you down but you're demeaning 70000000 people by saying that it's what my point is george well because not all the wealth you will get people to get outside italy to get over or it's too important ok in the end an effort should have been made because it's too important he go you know the institution survived to date i think that's that's. the most to think the thing that we should be most grateful for is that even judges appointed by trump you know struck down clearly without without without him

breaking a sweat to say you know these these cases don't have any merit and i'm sure that if if he ends up getting impeached and he ends up getting barred from running for office again he appealed to the supreme court i'm sure even the 3 judges he put on the core will say sorry bub but you know these are the rules and you know it will work for another is going to work against you so you know that needs to be to be kept in mind the question here is is for the republicans and what i think is a huge missed opportunity from day one if you look at everything in the context the 2024 primaries ok. there was no moderate republican who would not talk about mitt romney or susan collins who have always been kind of squishy i'm talking about you know a governor of a state who fancies himself a contender for the for the presidency in 2024 have come out and held the flag to say sorry guys we lost and to take it like real men and women and move on ok biden won the election we're going to fight him to make sure that we don't have a complete democratic over washington we need to fight for those 2 georgia senate seats in georgia of course that didn't happen i think that's you we can argue that

all day long whether that whether trump's you know what if it and i can do a little bit more and expand it it doesn't make any way any way there's a huge it was a huge missed opportunity for somebody to pick up and carry that flag to say guys sometimes you win sometimes you lose this guy unfortunately the biggest loser in a generation is the 1st president 28 years that lost reelection it's really crappy that he was our flag bearer we're going to do better next time and here's what here's my vision for the party going forward now if you look at that in the context of the upcoming impeachment trial which is going to be really interesting because you basically need 17 republicans to vote there to impeach him now frankly if they're smart they will do that because even the likes of ted cruz and josh holly they don't want trump running in the propulsion primary and they certainly don't want trump running as a 3rd party candidate they want the field clear for them to pick up this whole trump ism thing and take the head of it if that's possible to be done so it's in their interest to get trump out of politics altogether think i just i just can't see that is the scenario here right now i think this this 2nd impeachment is such

a farce and i mean if the chief justices and essentially this is what the supreme court speak those folks persons of already sent advantage just as robert shows up in the senate you would be if his reading of the constitution would be you want me to preside over the impeachment of biden because he is the president if you look at the constitution it is present tense and current president not a past president here this is our son and i you know what i think. i think it's i don't disagree that i don't i have no way were in a gang on here if we want unity what is the point of going your political logic is crystal clear and i agree with that completely but it's not up to just the 17 republicans there's $70000000.00 plus voters out there that feel differently and that is you know that whatever that that there's so many different scenarios that could be played out here but the republican party is playing with a huge fire in a really big way and they may lose both ways to it's very very interesting but i

think that in the end want unity you need to back up this thing here ok he's down he's out ok why and so what are we to do talk about donald trump for another year and a half until we get to the midterms is that really i think we want to do i got to i got to say i actually disagree with george and i i didn't think i'd be coming on the show to talk about republican politics but here we are and this is what you call oddball that just like what if i cannot be there because a governor hogan here in maryland has certainly been trying to fill that gap for quite some time he was very critical of trump throughout the. end of the election and beyond saying that you know the vote was fair you know he was trying to think that role i think you're seeing governor christie a former governor christie may turn on him in the middle of the of the after election math and he could take that role and he was getting a lot of air time because of that and he was getting your time before that too in a very interesting way and i now you're going to see. how could he see ender's

running for arkansas so that's another avenue for trump this all that it's going to be really interesting to see if they how far the agenda goes i think callie for example and maybe cruz have step too far for the establishment they just step one step out of bounds all the taste that a couple steps out of bounds cruise cruises cruise i think they want to come back i mean who cares if you get there and they're going to raise a lot of money they're going. raise a ton of money for their own their own objectives so they don't play trump is raising money for himself trump is raising that's the thing is what i'm saying if this is what i'm saying i get what peter saying that the whole thing is a farce but farce or not it's in their interest to get him out of the way for everybody in the moderates or the intricate want though because this is this is this is really important to say truck is the right wing populist that people have been asking for for a long populism is something that's strong in his country something if you want it for a long time so your both parties have resisted trump became the right wing populist

voice because he will buck the party and on top of that he's now c f the party to be frank with you i'll make my own party if you guys don't give me back my microphone and he's going as far as he possibly can to screw the party on the way out the door there is no one in the democratic party that's willing to do that that's why there's no populist left wing agenda in the democratic party there's no that that that that that supposedly left wing is all about culture it's not about economics you don't need that populist agenda in the left in and out on the left or in the democratic party because there's no one willing to say this was not willing to say give us universal health care and up and down the door or any of your you are not going to say that last 30 seconds george. again we have to look at all of this in the context of what's going to happen mid-term elections and the next presidential elections you know you have you have a president it's not clear that he's going to run again it's not clear that said

that in a clear the field for a couple hours i disagree with ian that those they're going to lie down like a good little good little pussycats this whole squad this left wing i think that's going to continue to emerge in the more and more vocal and i think the republicans there needs to be a moderate voice and i think it's in their interest to get trump completely out of the way ok and i think you know i recovered from that actually let's try are called and i don't regulate me there's a lot of scenarios that could be played out i hope to talk to both of you again on one of those scenarios could be all you want to think my guess and a little more to peter's watching us here are you see next time remember across the rules. in 2040 you know bloody revolution 2 to crush the demonstrations going from being relatively peaceful political protests to be increasingly violent revolution is

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