barrett what brings you here good to be back and good to be about on your program. on in russia. strategic relations. but after the years of cooperation that he wanted to discuss but this time i'm on a regional to 2 of the caucuses working basically on how we can 10. fight you know go ahead about visuals and vit d. . and by president putin visuals not unsimilar to a plan that he had presented now it can be turned into a possibility of full cooperation linkages connectivity in the caucuses benefiting everybody but mr i'm sure you global issues as philip very much for in your mind and every time our interview iranian officials including yourselves there always tries that regardless of who is in power in the united states the american policy as especially these of your country never seems to

change and yet just a few days ago you panned a very interesting article for foreign affairs in reach you wrote that the new administration 10 shad to fail the some sense of the past and quote seek to promote peace and call mitzi in the region that is such a huge rhetorical change what makes you believe that no i actually never attended i mean we never closed the door to a possibility you always been far more. sharper in your descriptions of possibilities yes and we still believe that the united states policies have been disastrous for our region not just the trumpet ministration policies but the policies of the previous administrations and i think in the article you mentioned i mentioned some of those areas of us. disservice to security i don't call. bt but you know this in very very soft and extremely

diplomatic terms far more diplomatic than your usual style. i guess it's intentional well if you want to show that the united states can change its policy now it's just time for dubai didn't ministration to abandon a policy not because of the goodness of their heart but because of the fact that that policy has faith president trump started to use maximum pressure policy. to build a clear intention of bringing it on to its knees they fade and anybody in their right mind would try to change at the pro-choice and that is what we suggested now joe biden's team is dominated by the old hands of the bomb administration may of whom you know personally many of them were directly involved in negotiating the 2015 deal so i guess psychologically they would be eager to sort of reaffirmed our own creation but is it really still

a good policy both for iran and for the region because as i'm sure you would agree if. the events on the ground have changed dramatically since 2015 where the events on the grounds have changed and. the realities of the nuclear deal have it. it is it was based on changing. from approach our mutual as you know some approach to something different and now u.s. administration. exhibited clearly that it could not they've been anything other than a 0 sum approach but that it's possible for them to change that mentality which is reminiscent of the cold war it's yet to be seen be not that optimistic but we don't close the door i don't think they'll find it but a comprehensive did because had it been possible to do a comprehensive deal we would have done it. 5 years ago before all d's negative

atmospherics that's because by just trump administrator you would also agree that the deal doesn't exist in a vacuum and there is a why believe especially in de merican analytical community that for example the bloody war in yemen which a bomb administration initially supported as a way to sort of assuage the saudis was the price to to pay for the stillborn j.c.b. away on the top of that your saudi neighbors have since accelerated their weapons procurements your israeli neighbors have seemed to have become a bit more brazen in their and hirani and policies aren't you concerned that resurrection of this deal may actually galvanize and hirani and sentiment even further and damage your country and the region more than any potential good that it can bring their. rejection of the deed is nothing new israel and saudi

arabia hardliners in in washington always objected to deceit always believed that it was not a good deal they were wrong then they are wrong now but as you yourself in many interviews insisted that iran was essentially punished for its compliance don't you and you will be punished again. destroyed and we're going to make sure that to be will not be punished. can you make that we use the experience of the past been a need to be addressed by d.n.i. to states that's a favor by the united states and they need to address their own fate and that is why we have said agreements are not revolving doors you cannot enter an agreement and leave that agreement simply because of your own desires or your own wishes is particularly the new in a

a procedure spelled out in indeed because this was made. a lot of mistrust it wasn't based on mutual trust it was based on mutual distrust mistrust so we want to make sure this time better than i just say this with they paid by the terms of the deal rather than by by its own desire to say with all due respect what tools do you have to ensure that the united states leaves by the deal because they have we know how political is theirs they have all the tools to punish you for your compliance or for that you know all imaginary. mistakes but do you have the ability to actually apply that pressure to them actually we do and that is also written in that into the deed. benda united states decided to punish us we had 300 kilograms of enriched uranium today we have 4000 kilograms so your method of punishment is the size of your.

domestic the punishment is the machinery that has been put into the deed to ensure compliance deceit has mechanisms to punish any site that the deed now did i just states left the deed in a much worse condition than than today than it. left indeed we were running only on one's video very small. ability to enrich uranium now we are building our 6 machines with almost 20 times the ability oh boy ones so there was who lost at the end of the day if they were trying to limit iranian enrichment capability now in your article you posit that the goodwill begets good well and you know when joe biden for many years perhaps even decades i read

somewhere that he has your personal cell phone number do you think i actually are my personal cell phone number has changed since i left. that's here and you want to see him again do you think that that personal connection i don't know how deep it is but do you think it will sell a tape any diplomatic to begin to make it 3 a good job why didn't i ever not buddies be represented 2 different countries with different policies he was a senator and i was a permanent representative to the united nations be hired many civilized meetings. me disagree but visibility. i think. is the basis for understanding but again it's not just on the issue of who's in the white house is the issue for us is what do you do if you look at the j.c. puree is not just a signature that counts in the j.c. pew it in the new kids eat but in fact the impact of that chicken shit the effect

of that signature on riveting breaking to see that if they have if they return to duty with full effect benefiting date on in people knowing that their policy of maximum pressure has already faded then we are willing to go back to the full terms of the deal now you mentioned the iranian people and the biden foreign policy it still has a. already they come up with a new slogan for that there isn't they call it the foreign policy for the middle class both you and i started in the united states i think we would agree that ordinary americans i dissent compassionate people and surely they would not so for that. rainy and concert cancer patients being last without lifesaving drugs but that's was the case even under obama it got much much worse and human terms on the trump i are really hoping that joe biden will be able and will

be willing to use human eyes american foreign policy of the. to an extent that he could actually accomplish this lofty goal of again being foreign policy being representative of the wishes and aspirations of ordinary americans of the middle class well that would be a tall order but i think they can start in the right direction i think is the policy of unilateral sanctions is basically a policy of economic warfare or even worse a policy of economic terrorism because they target individuals who with the intention of changing policy that is a target individuals who put pressure on individuals. for the individuals who put pressure on their cause this never works they need to change their approach to carrot and stick approach is used for animals not for human beings and i think the

american middle class have to come to the senses to understand that this policy of carrot and stick does not work with human societies it has all of base always produced the unintended consequences and it will continue to produce on it and it's not useful i think if they produce a lot of pretty bloody incentives consequences as well but speaking about how. well you can make it happen both iran and the united states indicated that you're willing to go back to the terms of the 2015 agreement provided that certain conditions mad by the other side as you know better than i did that they're very strong political reasons and for both parties not to be seen as yielding at 1st do you think there is a room for some sort of a mutual accommodation that would not make either party seem like it's losing say

though we have no intention of. being the u.s. face. is very rational and as you could be very into deep. into deep the united states was the party that left a deep imposed pressure on iran now if they come back to the deed start implementing their obligations then we have no reason not to go back to full implementation we have shown time and again that we comply united states doesn't have a good record of compliance even during obama let alone trump so they have to prove their brotherhood fish and then ask for instead of the saying goes you know. proving brotherhood is a very tall order but minister let's take a very very sure they are saying that they just before before they ask for you have to test if you have to become a member absolutely and by that i mean they're given the

a very complicated history of the united states and iran that i'm not sure even sure that that particular saying applies in this particular case where the united states sees as why it is obligations so it's not indeed. it has broken security council resolution that it sponsored just should. it's back to comply. i mean the united states may have been used to in dealing with other developing countries of basically as daisey as in the u.s. having their cake and eating get to doesn't portray data well let's take a very short break right now we will be back in just a few moments stay tuned. in

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welcome back to worlds apart it's bitter and foreign minister. minister earlier this month iran announced its intention or actually its commitment to enrich starts in reaching agreement to 20 percent purity reach technically speaking is the major step as you alluded to developing the capacity for weapons grade enrichment and some people in the washington interpreted that as a way all putting time pressure on the biden administration now you said there is no hurry but there is also a domestic factor in there and in 5 months time there will be a new president in your country perhaps even the new foreign minister who knows. is there any rush as far as. you know trying to save the remaining potential of the military have a legislation by a parliament which has now become. the executive branch are required by law

to respect. to abide by. that includes. 20 percent would be justified under under paragraph $36.00 of j.c. that. in response to noncompliance by one party another party can also start reducing fully or partially did obligation so we have done that now. in. probably february 21st 22nd days another requirement that comes into play and that is ending compliance for the additional protocol. all of these are voluntary measure that you can see. limited inspections not no inspections at all but more limited inspections and then there are other measures that are required in the legislation including production of uranium metal

production of higher and reached your a m. d intentions of our parliament this just stated intention of the parliament was to encourage. other participants to come to compliance not to play with time. you can do both in fact you are doing one through another you're encouraging by playing with time. why why what's wrong with that i mean there's a handful of things you know we are ready to continue to. resist pressure. and at the same time be a ready to continue to cooperate. option is open to the united states unto d e u u z d e basically watching on the sidelines they claim that they are members of j.c. but they have not done anything they have not paid any price you have to pay

a price you mean you cannot you cannot swim without getting good and europeans have tried to be a member and all together it doesn't work that technically speaking of the 2015 agreement were to be reinstated it would require shipping enrich uranium out of the country most likely to russia has that been a part of your negotiating edge and that during this visit having touched on that best and your i don't know we discussed it in great detail what can iran and russia do together in order to ensure proper implementation of of the of the agreement including how we can cooperate with each other and how russia can play a major road in bringing the united states back to compliance on the issue over exchange of. rainier is certainly one issue that the. last time it can be easy. to destroy now you've spoken

a lot about your does then for the trump policies but i think one ironic thing about the times administration is that it was able to free itself of any commitments but at the same time in force the commitments of others and by that i mean 1st and foremost russia and china because they sound such clause this un restrictions on transfer also conventional weapons to iran expired in the last year and yet because of trans executive order because of his threats of sanctions that ban is a fact of really in place not really not really well. are you getting anything from beijing or moscow well beyond negotiating with beijing oman must go and do you know military contracts are not something that you publish in a newspaper but we are in consultation with russia and china and russia has announced so as the chinese that there are no do you call it impaired humans to to

selling weapons to iraq and by doing i said before d.x. variation of the deadline that we're not going to go on a buying speech we have other priorities i mean we're dealing with cove it discussing buying vaccines from russia and china really dealing with other economic . emergencies in it on so i'm not sure procuring arms would be the highest on our list of priorities now you personally like to stress that iran doesn't succumb to any pressure but a lot of. people believe that it was their program or that complain of maximum pressure that ultimately brought iran to the table back in 2016 leading to the agreement in 2016 was that the case and what was it about obama's approach that ultimately persuaded you to start working with them can they do it again because

it's the same people really if you look at the proposal that he made to the bush administration in 2005. in march on march 23rd 2005 in paris to the east 3 who we sure negotiating during the bush administration and compared it to the. you see that we followed the same basic principle so we didn't change others ever actually complained pressured them into compliance no you see the fact that the pressure campaign didn't work brought to obama to send a letter to iranian leaders through the omanis that they were reading to accept any and enrichment the reason the efforts favored was that both in the bush administration was pushing for 0 enrichment and the book europeans gave in to

that now in 2013 what changed was obama accepting in a message that he said just to do your monies that he was reading to accept iranian enrichment show with his economic pressure pushed him into accepting that i do not know but i know that the reality that pressure on iran doesn't work brought him into the understanding that he had to change policy i think had even trump stage one more he would have come back to the reality that maximum pressure doesn't work on it and now one of the hallmarks of a bomb as policy was this tries to create some sort of every general balance at least 3 tariq ramadan everybody understood that america still prioritize israel and saudi arabia but i think there was some understanding that you need to give something to your adversary as a collateral for

a lasting peace. do you think that by then administration will share that notion that you actually have to you have something to get something in return and i think for their own sake. they have to come to the realization that providing blanket blind support to anybody would not be in their interest to have provided blind support to israel and you see that the menace that you have in the into palestinian they have provided blind support to saudi arabia and you see the menace in the effort in yemen so any blind support by the united states any sense of patronage to says and allies that they can do something anything as a spoiled child is bound to create more and more trouble for the united states and actually behind the united states into permanent presence in this region and permanent protection for the on rudy behavior of some spoiled kids speaking of

peace in 2019 the iraq introduces the foremost peace initiative also known as hope which is based on principles of respect for solvency to its oil integrity and on the interference of knowing the regional actors in their regions affairs essentially you're asking the americans and their western allies notes and gave themselves how realistic is that with this incoming administration it's. pretty clear term says that it wants to reassert the american role in the world well i think deny to stage and the us need not be asked they will come 2000 and crucially themselves that it is not in their interest the world has changed we have a multitude of players we have a transfer of the centers of power we do not live in a best center. and they will have to come along and they have to accept that

reality now if they see china. as an emerging power that is going to surpass the united states in terms of economic power they see the presence of russia in resolving major conflicts it's not the united states that resolve big the conflict in syria is russia iran and techie that are resolving the conflict in syria it's not the united states at resolving the problem in calabar it's again russia plus regional countries as are doing that's realisation. and also you too you heard what the europeans said about cut about and you heard what happened incredible i want to ask you one more question about america's arab allies because i think during the years as trump many persian gulf countries believe that they can sort of redraw the political map of the region of while the united states is

minding its own business but i think it is getting increasingly clear that that bill it's it's you assess things on the ground is limit especially in places like threats at libya qatar and many others rather than calling for a lesser role in the united states don't you think that paradoxically you and others would benefit from a more from a bigger presence of the united states in the original at least in terms of disciplining him being more principle that its own allies the united states needs to be bored principle business or not it's not asking them to cut their relations with that allies we're just asking them to allow the region who deal with its own problems without hope for foreign interference i think what has prevented our neighbors in the region to come to terms with iran is the hope that they were some of them were hoping to fight iran to the last american soldier that did not materialize during trouble it will not materialize during any other us president

now they're pinning their hopes on israel and israel has never been a protector for anybody they can hardly protect themselves so i think it's time for our neighbors to come back to the neighborhood this neighborhood. in the neighborhood need security and stability in our neighborhood others know necessary the need security and stability in our neighborhood we have welcomed the russian proposal for security arrangements in the persian gulf we have made as you said our own hope initiative so we have enough. groundwork for for regional security we only need to change the mindset you cannot just security from outside the united states concern you a lot of our. cannot sell you security it's always a pleasure talking to you thank you very much for this honor good to be with you and thank you for watching. on worlds apart.

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