not happy and what do you make of these executive orders surely parents can look into their children's eyes and feel no guilt well it's a lot better to have president biden than to have president trump but let's remember that's not saying very much these it actually of all is that biting is put in are extremely encouraging there's never been anything like them before but as you implied in your opening intro action there are a number of time mentions of u.s. government policy and of this president's policy which is to hold up to scratch so in particular biden's closeness to the fracking industry and its softness on it remains very concerning also remains to be seen with it will take real action to rein in the destruction of america's forests and forests around the world for biomass and bio fuel which is a false pseudo green solution to our problems so the executive orders are a start but only a start campaign aaronson now rest on their laurels absolutely not the situation

that we areon is beyond dire it's not 5 minutes to midnight it's 5 minutes past midnight or 10 minutes past midnight what we need is an unprecedented rising up of people of citizens around the world including in the usa to press the much stronger much faster genuinely green action and only if we get that will parents be able to be confident that their children are going to have a life in a society which is not ready for the around areas by the time that they are grown up i mean do you think parents have trouble looking into the julians eyes given the guilt probably most parents want to get will say this program will be just saying no we can we can look. as though they will work out and things will work out we will sort this out there are our leaders trying their best with the parents climate deal and so on the call 26 coming up in bosnia sure there are a p. well intentioned leaders and plenty of well intentioned corporate bosses and

so on and so forth but them it's off the pace we're getting to a situation after where it's no longer possible for anybody to outsource this problem to those who are supposedly in charge if you think that governments are going to solve this you're mistaken if you think that politicians and corporate leaders can be trusted to take care of this you're mistaken if you think of a cost later this year is going to succeed you're mistaken so i think a lot of people around the world a lot of citizens a lot of parents have been desperately hoping for a long time this is going to be sorted out from. i'm here to say it's not and what that means is that we need for parents to step into their power and why am i talking so much about parents why is my book about parents well in the last few years of course be seeing this magnificent rising up of children which is an extraordinary pretty much on precedented same. going up as all around the world

have seen the conscience of the will to us and have given us a very clear idea of the direction we need to be moving in and what i'm really hoping is that my book and other similar developments are going to encourage parents to step into that power and to move into a space where they'll be able to look their children in the eye in years to come because i think that although many parents right now are still as i say hoping that we're going to just muddle through this it's going to become increasingly clear that we're not and there will come a time if we don't change everything and fast they will come a time when parents realize you know my god it's too late why didn't i act probably still have time and if things go wrong as it is on the present course all too likely then the only question that our children will have for us the only question i have for us is what did you do when there was ringback still time when asking people to read my books i must be able to step up and get involved let's create a movement which is going to be as big in fact. much bigger than the magnificent

movement of children that so inspired us in the last 2 or 3 years tell me about how you write in the book of the fact that of course coronavirus disproportionately affects not only the poor but the old and how instantly because of something that affects the old we've up ended the whole of neo liberal orthodoxy we don't need to balance the books everything out to you think children watching this thinking how is it we can do all the things that are said to have been impossible when it comes to the kind of politics of extinction rebellion the flip of a growing when it comes to the elderly yet so it's a great question i think that children and young people are becoming a cleese increasingly alive to this they have been having to make a lot of sacrifices in this endemic including sacrificing a lot of their schooling certainly in a country like u.k. where we're talking from that's ok i mean that's justified by the states of this court of ours pandemic but the climate in ecological emergency which is so much

bigger than this pandemic and by the way of course a pandemic is itself a products of the logical emergency it comes from the destruction of habitat it comes from the maltreatment of animals the climate an ecological motion see is overwhelmingly going to hit the younger generation they're going to be the ones who have to shoulder the burden now it can't be right they have to show the both burdens we've sacrificed a lot to save the old in this current ours can that it it's time now that that debt as it were gets repaid it's time for the older generation myself yourself and especially people who are older wealthier more powerful than ourselves to step up and do what is necessary to be sure that the young people who've been sacrificing have a future and it really is a start is that that's why my book is entitled parents for a future if we don't know how to get their own house then you or you should do you should join the national trust or the r. maurice pca or the world wildlife. and you say in this book that now is not the

time for these kinds of. actions these kinds of groups why look those groups groups that have done good work across the years and they've still got more good work that they can do but what everybody has to ask themselves in all honesty is is doing more of the same going to be enough and everybody knows what the answer is the answer is no if all you do is try to vote for parties which are a bit better than the other parties all you do is support you know relatively middle of the road non-governmental organizations nothing fundamental is going to change something fundamental has to change and it has to change farts it is parents who above all through that love for their children i think are in a great position to feel to really feel and understand in their bones what is coming in an increasing number of parents are feeling this i worked alongside some of the world's leading climate scientists at university of east anglia air and i

know that this issue can't be outsourced any longer that we have to move much faster on it so no it's not enough for organizations like the world wildlife fund at the national trust to do what they can we need something new it needs to be more radical the kinds of methods that have been used by the school climate striker's those same kinds of methods could be used by parents by aunts and uncles by all adults who are of good conscience and want to parent the future as it were together so for example we ought to be thinking about strikes we ought to be thinking about designated days on which adults go on strike in solidarity with the future and say we demonic change now the build back from the coronavirus pandemic from the recessions that have been caused by the actions that we rightly take on a map and that bill back has to be genuinely green if it is not there is not going to be our future for our children there are parents. working at many of the

consultancy companies that will be asked by governments to arrange the pose a pandemic economic consensus is being called a market stalin ism can you not see that psychologically the parents feel the only options for humanity are always the markets and what you are doing what you are talking about in terms of strikes is not the way forward somehow even though the same consultancies actually mean commission to sort our coronavirus responses out coronavirus itself is believed to be an effect of climate change so what i'm saying is that the children strikes we've seen in the last couple of years ringback have been seriously effective in raising the public profile of this issue but what is needed is strikes which actually go more to the heart of the economic system and have more cap on them only adults can deliver those now when not do i think this kind of strike should take place or not right now obviously but right now while

we're in the middle still of this endemic in countries like the u.k. but as the post coronavirus of coverage starts to emerge as the vaccines come in more accept share this will be jurong this year so we need to be planning for it now we need it we only have using our economic power during that period but action can i also say that you alludes to the fact that many parents but most people are parents right many people in positions of power influence in corporations in media in politics in civil service except those people should be also considering how to use said jobs not just to go on strike but how to use their jobs while they're not on strike in order to make these kinds of transformations but we need people to be thinking well that apps work well that and to work well that citizens it every part of their lives we need people to be thinking and acting accordingly but how they can save the future because if they don't as i say they won't be if you just look forward to for our children well i'm not sure. that advice goes down practically if

you are retained by something some financial interest which is linked to fossil fuel companies let alone pollution let alone any of the other other elements of causing climate change i think if you're if you work for a fossil fuel come back well you potentially get sacked but you can demand a change you can or you could be a whistleblower there's lots of ways you can you can do the right thing if you're working for a corporation which right now is doing it's doing the wrong thing and there are people in many corporations doing that what i'm saying is let's let's do it in a more concerted way and let's do it this year if i may say so that's why i believe my book is rather timely that parents for the future is an idea whose time has come if you don't do it now if not now then when they won't be time to do it later in this decade why did media not even connect coronavirus to climate change why is it that when it comes to post pandemic planning joining a reliever johnson chief planning officer has been defending cumbria council

a council in the north of england saying we're going to open up a new coal mine you saying these people can look into their children's eyes and a boris johnson just had a young child we're going to open up for coal in the bronx it. post and then make future these are great questions firstly a small correction if i may it's not entirely clear that the current a virus is due to climate specifically even me authority to grain or there isn't yet the broader ecological emergency and the destruction of nature and this is all part of the same picture of course yeah absolutely it's completely absurd for the u.k. how can you case say that it's going to get any kind of leadership on climate when it's open to new coal mine now they say in response are that this coal mine is to steel it's not for power generation i'm sorry that's just not acceptable we're going to have to transform our economy really transform it and not keep it endlessly in this. push for so-called economic growth if he wants to have

a future escort to jim but my friend and colleague says these are fairy tales of eternal economic growth we have to move beyond them and it is it is beyond absurd for the u.k. to be allowing a coal mine to be opened in cumbria and yes or strengthen who and you well i was it also fits together with him studying philosophy together i wish he would use some of that brain of his if he does have a brain suit so look into this and to understand that he is it is nonsensical for the u.k. to do things like that and if you could does things like that then indeed those that allow that they will not be able in the years ahead if our climate start to really fall apart which is likely they will not be able to look into the eyes of their children and in good conscience say we did everything that we could you try to say we did everything we could on the pandemic aspects of the faults it's patiently false on climate as well so goodness sake let's let's have a more truthful discourse and 2021 and if it won't be supplied well then let's

demand it let's let's force it parents of the world right that's what i'm talking about because if we if we don't we cannot leave it any longer to these irresponsible leaders well he said he's been done his best but you heard it here 1st the prime minister for strength and has a brain dr richard reid thank you after the break we'll be investigating the new report released by the n.g.o.s found on the growing inequality caused by the coronavirus showing a 1000000000 has wealth has skyrocketed while an estimated 300000000 more people have been impoverished. stocks bonds commodities currencies everywhere you look in the world you have price discovery is broken and the ability to make markets has been shattered because.

access to free money is now ubiquitous virtually instant. in 2040 you know bloody revolution of you tube the demonstrations going from being relatively peaceful political protests to be creasing the violent revolution is always spontaneous or is it your goal or hear a pretty meaningless put pretty well pretty mean the neighbor lose out on you pulling you to the former ukrainian president recalls the events of 2014. those who took part in the state over $5000000000.00 to assist ukraine in these an article that will ensure a secure and prosperous and democratic. welcome

back n.g.o.s families restock figures on the growing inequality caused by coronavirus they found the wealth of the world's top 10 richest men has increased by often trillion dollars since the start of the pandemic enough to provide covert vaccinations for the entire world it says while an estimated 300000000 more people have been impoverished i'm joined now by the co-author of the oxfam report the inequality virus and the head of inequality at the charity max and max thanks for coming on you know corruption has made headlines alleged corruption in the british government has made headlines in the new york times about where contracts are going who's making money out of corona virus your new report appears to say that the rich of enrich themselves the billionaires by 3.9 trillion and workers have been imposed by 3.7 trillion interesting correlation there how do you arrive at that figure and what do you think that says about the response globally coronavirus. i think what

it tells us is current a virus hit the world that was very very unequal already but it's kind of supercharge that inequality and whilst in some ways it's kind of been a virus that's affected everyone it's the people at the bottom of the economic policy and how it is people of color women more likely to die from the disease and more likely to be pushed into destitution. and then at the top you're seeing this incredible kind of bounce back of the super rich i've been doing these numbers for many years and i remember after the financial crisis it took 5 years for billionaires to get back to the level of 4 jews they had when the financial crisis hit this time it's only taken 8 months so it just gives you some idea of how the coming meteoric increase in billionaire well so these you know winning divide between the haves and the have not so a have nots of the have you know sometimes it's become you know astronomical in the coverage which is of course really really bad for our recovery i mean we have to

get the motivations and are almost i mean billy other billionaires are available but that's just look at amazon's jeff bezos you say jeff bezos could pay everyone under $5000.00 and still be as rich as before coman it's so much is being the increase in his wealth it's really easy to kind of gloss over isn't it and to not really quite girls the sheer size of the wealth of these eco it's enormous and just the top 10 men richest men have seen their for choosing crease $500000000000.00 in the richest is jeff bezos and that would be enough money to vaccinate the entire world for instance easily with money there and as we said for jeff bezos you're right you know if he was to cut a check tomorrow for every single one of his 870000 employees they would all get a check in the parks for $105000.00 and he would still have as much money as he

thought. i mean really we're not talking about turning these billionaires into corporations we're just talking about a more realistic world where yes of course we have super rich people with maybe not quite as many and not quite as rigid we can use those resources it's that vaccinations for medicines for helping the world and is in all crimes job to figure out why he doesn't do that and give a check of that month to well is different because and so to be that rich certainly agile to to push for the kinds of solutions that make a difference and one of those is much greater taxation of the richest than to be further quite a few rich people think that too i mean there are gates and warren buffett who are also among the richest in the world have said that they think they don't pay enough tax. you know it be great to see other billionaires say that but the key ounces of this is back to taxation of the super rich to kind of rank sure those resources occurring where they need to guy rather than just give you the run of

a 1000000000 that they couldn't spend in a 1000 mark times even if they wanted to yeah it may not be democratically accountable but you mentioned bill gates at the forefront all of being involved in vaccination and coronavirus but i suppose then the implication is there's been a power shift. joining coronavirus in terms of how policy can be created regarding corona virus and perhaps future pandemics let alone what happens after the pandemic. yes i mean it's great what bill gates does and their contribution right cyclo how concerned is fine too but you know he is not accountable to anybody and really these kinds of he needs to be led by the united nations should be adequately funded and should be accountable to the world and that's not happening because they have hardly any money and so when you know we see the amounts repeatedly giving from somebody that has of course thanks a big difference but that's no. bill gates the 2nd so you know the answer seems no

solution out adequate tax and fair governance and government spending the right resources on the help of people is the only thing that's worked historically is the only thing that's made a huge difference so you say listen you have to remind amazing and to remind people about that's going to vaccines i mean britain and the european union are apparently if you believe the papers here it's some kind of war over vaccines but your report is is actually frightening about what happens to vaccinations in developing countries those countries indebted to say the i.m.f. i mean you reach we did something that was from a i think a u.n. agency claiming that while 40000000 covert vaccines are given out to which are countries the richest countries only 50 doses of being given to the poorest poorest countries presumably beholden to i.m.f. debts and sells. you know i mean you have

a situation where rich countries are holding the vaccine. they go enough to vaccinate everyone 3 times and yet in developing countries they if they're lucky will be in can vaccinate one intense it seems bargain and now obviously that's very proud for those developing countries but it's also exceptionally bad for rich nations robert because the u.k. for instance is a trading nation it relies on a vibrant economies all over the world so it's not just a case of the u.k. but you have iraq and it's very in many of our big trading partners started to have back cena still suffering on the look down you know there's a big economic push back on to rich countries but i think the other more our full argument which i think really hits home now we're seeing these mutations from the u.k. from south africa from brazil is that unless we vaccinate the whole world as fast as possible then it was on the a much it's on before the vaccines we have in rich nations start to become ineffective say it's completely shortsighted and for us that the main way to do

this is to share the technology and have open source faxing instead we've got pharmaceutical companies like sending these nazis at a huge profit even though the research was funded by government taxpayers' money and limiting the supply lines and artificial rationing if you know the big falling companies say they're not profiteering until by using the vaccines and as regards say as live on the land in the european union fight with astra zeneca or over getting the vaccine they say then that's nothing to do with and ball rushing a developing nation if you if you look if you look at that particular issue we have problems of supply already and even for the european union you know the richest proclamations in the world can't get enough facts heaven help africa the way to do that is to say right now it's not just astra zeneca that can produce these facts and let's see the recipe shared with every competent producer on a. and then everyone can produce well britain may not be giving vaccines but it

does give aid to yemen the world's worst humanitarian crisis tell me about why it's a hot spot for oxfam i mean britain no doubt will try to recover its retail its travel industry its entertainment industry but we do have an arms industry and obviously bombs are dropping on yemen how does all this fancy yemen in terms of this report on the inequality virus as you call it well we've we've been i mean yemen is particularly hard hit by kerry but it's because it's in a war zone and terrible hunger and suffering but then you have the most perfect example of. western hypocrisy you can imagine because re selling the guns which then truck some of poems and then dropped on the people who then flee then become hungry and then we're using our. people. and as we said consistently is oxfam a many are you know we need to start sending arms to saudi arabia to stop fearing

this war it's a classic example of taking with one hand and giving the other obviously the british government completely deny that they say they have a robust arms sales program and bars are very happy to export arms to saudi arabia to use in fact as a foreign secretary as well you see one of them the one thing about this report the inequality virus why is it that according to any kind of basic reporting you might see on the mainstream media so-called would be that we're all in it together our leaders do recognize we're only as strong as the most vulnerable that's exactly and the kind of mantra we've heard from the white house maybe not under trump but the on the biden cabinet people and certainly here in london so why do you think we're not hearing about how the fact to run a virus has been the best time ever for the richest people on the. well i think it's a story that needs tending a lot more i think there is a sense in which people feel that this is been

a kind of equal opportunity crisis that you know that celebrities have got the disease and so i think it's really important for the world to understand that it's hurting the poorest hardest and particularly women in particular i think and at the same time it's benefiting the rich and you know you want me to we can do is our time to get that story out and to get boots on the statics i think we're entering a crucial phase of the crosses where as he pointed out we need to get back since the developing world we also need to see more resources for the developing world the conservation jansch an increase in reserve currency and way in order to not only do they not understand that as you're describing it the as far as i'm hearing from mainstream media in big newspapers around the world in the only brule countries it is the poor that have to stop paying we have to balance the books we have to prepare to balance the books because of the coronavirus and the amount of

help given to the poor quite the opposite from what you're talking about let alone actually in this country oversee cutting the age by a bunch of combined are simply that the big fear is that we end up in the same situation we had the financial crisis where we have you know years and years of austerity we're trying to compound the growing in accordance and i mean i think a key message america or is countries face a choice we face an absolute choice over the next 10 years do we double down. cops hurt the poor as we did last time increase in a corner or do we start to move towards a more progressive taxation of the richest and i think we started to see we've seen it an extraordinary wealth tax immigrant to file containing the last months to help pay for the recovery has been a very high profile study here in the u.k. of what a wealth tax could raise in terms of contributing say we want that debate to happen some of us saying they. me they're just ignorant all of the themes in this report i mean why would the rich want to use and weaponized coronavirus anyway to him is

rate the book which is the implication from this report no i think that's certainly not what we're writing this is ultimately a joke for governments you know 1000000000 as for about 3 broken system it's not marked by all the culprits but the mobility as we have a system is not working so we need to recall these billionaires and get ourselves to a position where we have one more nurses and worry less and rich in the way to do that is for governments to fanny tax and invest in the cons of things like clothes and thank you and that's it for the show we'll be back on monday to speak to the makers of coup 53 starring ray finds about m i 6 his role in overthrowing a democratically elected iranian prime minister mohammad mosaddegh until then he went out to a social media and joined the underground unusual twitter satellite instagram telegraph.

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