under capitalism is sort of actively you know colonized from us but they are human condition that don't need to be exercised only in the workplace i mean that's the communication and that the move away from fordism in the conveyor belts in the factories that that's what we that's all we have at. yeah well if you think about it right when if you worked at a factory if you worked on the assembly line nobody really cared if you're smiling at the car that goes right you just have to make sure that you you know do whatever part of the assembly is your job get the drive that bolts and make sure that it's done properly and safely but it doesn't much matter how. but if you're working in the grocery store and you're waiting in my you know you're waiting on customers as they come through in line you do have to smile and you have to sort of be personable and at least project that you're happy to be there and happy to see them i mean sector by sector if we think of housework i'm not sure how you emphasize the intersectional nature of the politics of the fact that women are complaining of not

being able to get clean is enjoying joining lockdown but you do make the point that the whole way work has changed is that if households swap children they can get rain for it but if they keep their own children and parents can hold their own children they don't get paid for rent there's this inherent absurdity to whether we think the work that is done in the whole is work and not usually you know depends on whether you're paying somebody else to come in and do it who doesn't already live there but if you live there the same thing that you're doing all day whether it's your children scrubbing that's why i let whatever is not considered work. it's kind of interesting right because what happens when both because of you know feminist demands for women to be able to have access to paid employment but also because the factory jobs that might have been able to sustain a family went away when you get more and more women moving into paid employment what happens to housework well sorry matt but you haven't been backing up the slack

and so instead what's happened is that less well off women come into the home as work and yeah we saw that it was a particular sort of cleaner gate in the u.k. back in i guess whenever it was in may or june when the receptions on lockdown were listening a little bit and people were like yeah good like me are back again and other people are like so i can't have my mom come visit but if my mom comes in as a cleaner can i say that you know can i pay my mom to come to clean my house and therefore see her right like the the way that these rules got loosened during lockdown needs to get it sort of underlines the arbitrary way we think about what is and isn't work well are authorities say they're just following the science to be a political nothing to do with power structures that said well no no you can't get prove it in a pub i heard. and that's why the hell you can't get coveted a puzzle patriotism or whatever it gets right i thought the prime minister said it

was patriotic to to go to take a eat out now everybody gets a well you know i mean we laugh at it but it is true that like the disparities in who's actually getting sick and dying are based on who is being forced to go to work right now i think a lot about a worker who worked at the make up chain said for a before a lockdown and they you know they reached out to me as a journalist in sort of terror that they were going to be forced back to work and suddenly something that could be hind of fun you know before code it putting makeup on people is kind of a fun job sometimes right but now you don't want to get that close to a stranger's face right. 8 and so this job that once was at least you know somewhat ok even if it was still not paid well enough and not terribly sick here now is it's just that much more obvious that you're only doing this because you absolutely have to pay the bills now why such policies should be enacted arguably depend on the

education of the people in the elites and i suppose the education of those subservient to those elites that there's quite a big section about schools being a sort of incubator of new liberalism what everyone's talking now about having a home homeschool how do you think schools help to subvert the idea of love for work and this is particularly true in the us i don't think the history is off white same way in the u.k. although it is still a feminized profession right it is still there are many many more women teachers particularly in lower grades and smaller children but in the us it's sort of very clear and you can trace the history that the people who were funding the 1st public schools hired women for teachers because they would have to pay them less because women are supposedly naturally caring and good with children right i can testify personally that i'm terrified of children i'm very much not naturally good at children but the ways that then you sort of steal like ok so the teachers are

supposed to be caring for the children and their caring for the children but then along the way it's not good enough to be caring anymore now it's up not to get the test warts right and then if the children aren't getting good test scores that somehow the teachers fault for not being caring enough but then now way and if you go back into the school you are likely to be again spreading coronavirus. the teachers are somehow being insufficiently caring because they're unwilling to march back into the schools again to potentially die such a fascinating narrative the way that like teachers care is sort of always weaponized against them in a variety of different ways so right now you know teachers are going out of their minds trying to teach virtually and like you know i find it stressful to stare into a screen for half an hour i can imagine doing it all day every day with a roomful of 9 year old staring at me and so the teachers are bending

over backwards to try to teach in these conditions and being told that they don't care enough because they aren't willing to sort of go back and do it in person when the reality that's being made clear by that is that you know the people in charge of that don't really care if the kids are learning because the teachers are not getting a ton of resources to help them a better more effective teacher is virtually they're just being scolded for not being willing to do the daily childcare part of the job that happens in person so that everybody else can go back to work. of course unlike the united states in a way have british private schools called public schools like the ones the prime minister went to ot charities you have big sections in this book about charity and of course when coronavirus charity became a big thing with colonel tallman a former veteran trying to help the coronavirus you call challenge charity a relationship of power and just explain about the importance of charity and how it

. connects to work i mean again that code it is making all of this that much more clear right when you're hearing that we should just depend on sort of neighborhood charities to make sure people get fed when they've lost their job during lockdown. the whole structure of sort of private charity filling in around the edges of what the state isn't doing and you know you're in a country that actually has a health care system at least but in any case you have a variety of organizations that work in a variety of different ways to sort of you know some are doing more explicitly political work of tinkering around the edges of trying to you know fix this thing here in this thing there some are providing food and i mean that just reminded me of the lovely privatized food distribution system where you've got kids getting you know like a half a sausage in a coin bag or something isn't going here american value of outsourced school lunches right yeah but so thinking about what it means to have sort of private

charities providing for the poor. it's a whole system built on justifying the way things are by saying like oh you know the rich people give back great bill gates gives back so much of his money that how does he keep getting richer so mr that it serves as a way to say that you know the people who have all of that stuff they deserve to have all of that stuff in the what they distribute around the edges is good enough we should be happy with that rather than questioning why bill gates was able to accumulate so much in the 1st place well i mean. i have to ask why the ideas in your new book on on to more obviously known i know you talk about unpaid internships in the media that provides us with our vision of the world in many cases i mean you think they are propagandizing the market stonily stalinism is that

why more people don't know that work is much more complicated than just we should love our workplace that's a great thing and that's part of life without knowing about all the structures that you explain in the book i mean there are both sort of conscious and unconscious processes that lead us to getting to where we are right like if you go back in rehab sort of managing the literature of the past 30 years you'll see a whole bunch of people writing about a ways to you know convince your workers to be more motivated on the job but then there is also the fact that you know if you have to do something all day every day you know i really wrestle hochschild who derives the concept of emotional labor she notes that you know if you have to pretend to like it all day long it's easier if you can convince yourself but if you are finding ways to enjoy it in some way that makes it easier to get through the debt so there is a part of it that is is insidious like that right that it is. to go along with it

because we don't have a choice but i think once again a department has been really. illuminating in this way that we can now see the way that that this bank that we were convincing ourselves we'd like is really not giving us a. sour jaffe thank you after the break new revelations thanks to oscar winners and actor ray finds of the dirty tricks used by nato governments to destroy democracy in the middle east. debate is is it fair for transforming our fleets to compete in women's categories and sport. as a society we have decided to categorize sports based on sex i definitely need to do

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welcome back today marks 42 years to the day that ayatollah khamenei made his seminal return to iran during the 1909 republican revolution and speculation grows over restarting the days e.p.o. a nuclear deal with iran new light is being shown on events that prove recent nato nation back to violence against iranian interests has a long history osc attempt to 53 starring refines reveals alleged new dirty tricks in anglo-american attempts to destroy democracy in iran directed by veteran documentary filmmaker tag e.-m. irani the film is edited in co-written by 3 time academy award winner well to merge the editor behind such classics as the conversation the godfather films apocalypse now and the english patient they both spoke earlier to going underground deputy

editor charlie cook and he started by asking them about the film in 1953 the united states together with britain participated in a coup in iraq. and his government was swept from power in favor of generals are the 3. that are running of the coup from our side was my responsibility. this is the sort of thing you both find in a book. 253 is a story of grown up with the story of the coup is something that's embedded and ingrained in the psyche of iranians i grew up with as a child and it took me 10 years to make the film and it's 153 its oil it's communism it's the british are just americans cia m i 6 and iran struggle for democracy and control of its resources for a short window that was crushed and you've called. the original sin

and people watching it might see similarities between western foreign policy than western foreign policy now why is that case are important to today's political events in the middle east well 153 coup is the pivotal event in iran's history and how its destiny and fate changed and how it affected not just iran and its relationship with itself but also iran's relationship with the west particularly america and the u.k. we can draw a direct line from 1903 to the 1979 revolution when the coup happened was that there was overthrown for control of iranian oil and the shah was put in place was much more amenable in dealing with the west he became a man in iran in the middle east for thought well for the americans and that you know to support him to stay in power he became a kind of absolute monarch dictator and that blew up in the 79 revolution and iran's relationship post revolution and the toxic relationship it has particularly

with america to this very day to this very hour right now is rooted in 53 and walter people of the know your your work on the godfather and the conversation apocalypse now how do you become involved in this film. i met toddy in 2012 in new york i was working on another documentary then about the search for the higgs bows on talk he graduated in physics from nottingham university we met at a gentleman's apartment who was investing both in the particle physics film and in 3 and because of the physics connection we hit it off and had just had maintained a relationship over sense tell you my right saying that this film was made over a decade while to how i was iffy to try and compile so much kind of content and data into such a sinked mv. time time and pressure

how do you create a diamond you start with carbon and you compress it under great pressure and great each which is to say tension and you wind up with something that is both clear and dense at the same time. talking just just talk about the importance of nationalization when it comes to some very at the heart of the case and the kind of the legacy of the. well the british treated iran like it was a colony but it was never part of the empire and they had complete control of iranian oil for decades until mossad came to power in fact he he ran for the premiership he no he stood as prime minister on the ticket of nationalizing iranian along with his prime purpose and that happened in april 1981 nationalization was wasn't so much about control of resources and getting the the benefit of iranian resource in or oil and the money from it but it was also exerting iran's

independence and its sovereignty because the british treated iran like it was their thing it was india 2.0 and was out there and iranians were resentful of the way they would be treated by the british not only was there all looted and taken away running or the angrily running all company was the biggest overseas asset of the british state it british navy ran it ran on it they paid the war debts on it and it was a huge huge resource and most of it's a bastard enough already and we want to take control back and that didn't go down well bit with the british particularly churchill who could have considered iranian oil british oil and other reason for wanting to stand up to mossad there and they came up with the idea of overthrowing him pretty much immediately was like the moment you nationalized you had to go sooner or later we had to get rid of him is what they say he was also going to set an example a bad example for other countries wanting to follow suit and in fact that's exactly

what happened with the suez canal in egypt nasser kind of hero worship mossad that there's a street in cairo named after him so that's why the nationalization was so important and through what means just explain some of the ways before the actual carrying 53 how they counted. destabilize the iranian government yeah it was a it was as a set ingredient it was like you're going to make this dish you need this you need this you need this in order to have a successful coup you need to have the media on your side you have to buy the media you have to get newspaper editors to write propaganda pieces against most and on his government to destabilize and discredit him that happened you have to buy m.p.'s and members of parliament to going to vote for legislation that's in your favor not the iranians favor you have to have the military on your side and the mob you need always you need a rent a mob and you have to or assassinate a general or 2 that's right critical point that had

a very loyal general very solid general and on his side and and he in fact had a list of conspirators who plotters and he was about to publish this and with the help of m i 6 under the direct direct rect issue of m i 6 norman darvish or my 6 officer who was running this coup they sasson ated and in fact killing and devoted loyal army general became a bit of a template they did that in chile as well in $73.00 and arguably acars obviously of customs and on his assassination how do truman said there is nothing new in the world except the history you do not know almost everything that's playing out on the world stage with iran and its relationship with the west in some way has played out before even sanctions and the oil embargo the british put an embargo on iranian oil boycott iranian oil and told everybody around the world they put adverts in international newspaper saying if you buy iranian oil you buy a lawsuit because you're actually buying stolen or you're buying our or so and you

know we have sanctions right now so nothing is new you have to read history to find out it's all happened before fake news was invented by to cia and m i 6. i'm sure m i 6 at least definitely deny that well. he mentioned norman but not everything until recently mit united existed as an institution you mention norman darvish or walter just tell us about the end of empire this program that is kind of the crux of the film. that we discovered fairly early on that those those wonderful program made as part of a series issued by on channel 4 by granada television in 1905 called end of empire and it was the story of the british empire and how it was winding down and although as heidi said iran was not ever officially part of the end of the british empire it was operationally so and had been for

a couple of 100 years and so there was an episode dedicated to iran and we looked out and saw this is fantastic then we found out that the producers of end of empire had given all of the film and all of the outtakes of this to the british film institute which amounted to something like 10 hours at least and what we were looking for was the film of a particular interview. with this british agent norman darbyshire and tubby had discovered a transcript made by end of empire of an interview with norman darby sure a couple of years earlier in a basement in paris was a operational transcript that had been cut up by the director of the film because it was so amazing and the the good bits were put into some kind of

a script. but when we got the stuff from the b. up high there was no. film this agent norman darby sure no trace of it and that led us down many a rabbit hole we found people who gave conflicting evidence about whether this film was ever shot or not so we. found an actor in this case wraith finds wonderful actor who i had worked with on english patient bucket in the mid ninety's and he agreed and his busy busy busy schedule he was playing mark anthony at the national theatre at the time and he agreed to come to the savoy hotel where many of the original interviews for end of empire were shot and read episodes of fragments from this fantastic 14 page transcript. and he as the originator of the coup he was one of the co-authors of you know how how

do you do this. and and he was directing the coup by radio from cyprus as it was unfolding take it that the good out of team deny being lent to edit out this interview is that your contention that the british government kind of next the norm and obviously into command of empire. well there's been a lot of discussion about this this this was potentially going to be a legal challenge that never happened what we don't we don't take a line in the song if you watch the film carefully and really watch the film carefully with kind of objective we simply interview people honestly and fairly and accurately and it's very transparent there's nothing there's no nothing magical or kind of tricksy editing going on we could all these testimonies alongside each other we has journalists come away unclear one critical thing let's not lose sight of the most important thing nobody is denying that these are darker shoes own words that that transcript is authentic it's a real recording of his interview tape on tape to take 3 tape for and. it's out

there it's for the 1st time in great detail in a magnificent performance by ray finds delivering explosive revelations that have never really been put out there in this form in a documentary before that's that's the claim to be the 1st to do that in fact it's even been acknowledged by. the vampire team that our film is the 1st to do that why do you think the u.k. government still denies any involvement in the case but it's one of the most absurd weird open secrets the whole world knows everyone knows it's one of those like the biggest elephant in the room it's. in the absence of the admission and i see and i see an official admission because jack straw's talked about it people have talked about it it's in books it's you know it's been it's been out in cia declassified papers it's everywhere even and the empire of course clearly they talk about it it's been in the will the report published in 1954 it's you know it's everywhere

it's like you turn around everywhere there's the british part and a coup out there why do not admitting it who knows it's that it work they work in peculiar ways. evacuated created by not admitting to this gave open field open field to stage for a chemist who's about to take credit for this it has been known for decades as the cia coup the iranians come into the streets and shout death to america mainly because they saw this as an american thing the revolution you know the shah was the cia's man and daughter share in the absence of all this thanks enough already this was my gig i wrote the plan i ran this coup then the one that lyndon. johnson had been something hit the fan and it was about to go wrong on fail and kemet was told to leave i stayed and turned it around i ran my mom and so maybe that's another reason why he gave this interview i have to say that moment is

a fantastic character he unfortunately died in 1903 but as a young man during world war 2 he went out to iran as a of in a list of man age 19 in 143 he learned how to speak farsi he learned how to navigate the streets but he rose very quickly through the ranks because of this talent and after the war was over he very quickly became part of the speaker of service which. became almost 6. rows through the ranks slur. in comparison. kermit roosevelt who was the cia. who did not speak or anyone was only in iran for 3 weeks what was your. daughters who had essentially been in iran for 10 years well to tell you

thank you so much thank you thank you ma'am iranian will to much speaking to going underground to be added to charlie cook there and you can watch who 53 online now mike who 53 years old that's up to his shoulder back on wednesday to do don't subscribe to the child on you tube and join the underground on twitter piecework telegram instagram and some. debate is is it fair for transforming our fleets to compete in women's categories and sports. as a society we've decided to categorize sports based on sex i definitely do not think that it's fair for athletes that form porn as biological males to compete in the women's category. why do we have gendered sports do you have gender

categories and sports because we do treat men and women differently. every single beat athletes will we all have biological advantages over each other. are losing means a lot to me and i think trends are the sticking point here is a call to do it. and develop confidence and belief in myself and i've learned the value of hard work and dedication. to doubt. that these men say that they feel like a woman and. will not ever know what it's like to feel the loss of the baby her maybe biological free home of these that they will never really really think this is fair. i just don't believe.

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