sort of secondly you know colonized from us but they are human condition that don't need to be exercised only in the workplace i mean that's the communication and that the move away from fordism in the conveyor belts in the factories that that's what we that's all we have at. yeah well if you think about it right when if you worked at a factory if you worked on the assembly line nobody really cared if you're smiling at the car that yes it's right you just have to make sure that you you know do whatever part of the assembly is your job you have to drive that bolt and make sure that it's done properly and safely but it doesn't much matter how. but if you're working in the grocery store and you're waiting in my you know you're waiting on customers as they come through in line you do have to smile and you do have to sort of be personable and at least project that you're happy to be there and happy to see them i mean sector by sector if we think of housework i'm not sure how you emphasize the intersectional nature of the politics of the fact that women are

complaining of not being able to get clean is enjoying joining lockdown but you do make the point that the whole way work has changed is that if households swap children they can get rain for it but if they keep their own children and parents can hold their own children they don't get paid for rent there's this inherent absurdity to whether we think the work that is done in the whole is work and not usually you know depends on whether you're paying somebody else to come in and do it who doesn't already live there but if you live there the same thing that you're doing all day whether it's your children scrubbing the toilet whatever is not considered work. it's kind of interesting right because what happens when both because of you know feminist demands for women to be able to have access to paid employment but also because the factory jobs that might have been able to sustain a family went away when you get more and more women moving into paid employment what happens to housework well sorry matt but you haven't been backing up the slack

and so instead what's happened is that less well off women come into the home as work and yeah we saw that it was a particular sort of cleaner gates in the u.k. back in i guess whenever it was in may or june when the risk directions on lockdown were listening a little bit and people were like yeah good like me are back again and other people are like so i can't have my mom come visit but if my mom comes in as a cleaner can i say that you know can i pay my mom be committing to leave my house and therefore see her right like the the way that these rules got loosened during lockdown years again and it sort of underlines the arbitrary way we think about what is and isn't work well are authorities saying that just following the science would be a political nothing to do with power structures not so you know you can get prove it in a pub i heard. and that's where the hell you can get coveted a puzzle patriotism or whatever it gets right i think the prime minister said it

was patriotic to to go to take a eat out everybody gets a well you know i mean we laugh at it but it is true that like the disparities in who's actually getting sick and dying are based on who is speaking for us to go to work right now i think a lot about a worker who worked at the make up chain said for a before a lockdown and they you know they reached out to me as a journalist in sort of terror that they were going to be forced back to work and suddenly something that could be kind of fun you know before kobe had putting makeup on people is kind of a fun job sometimes right but now you don't want to get that close to a stranger's face right. right and so this job that once was at least you know somewhat ok even if it was still not paid well enough i'm not terribly sick here now is it's just that much more obvious that you're only doing this because you absolutely have to pay the bills now why such policies should be enacted arguably

depend on the education of the people in the elites and i suppose the education of those subservient to those elites that there's quite a big section about schools being a sort of incubator of new liberalism what everyone's talking now about having a home home school how do you think schools help to subvert the idea of love for work and this is particularly true in the u.s. i don't think the history is off white same way in the u.k. although it is still a feminized profession right it is still there are many many more women teachers particularly in lower grades and smaller children but in the us it's sort of very clear and you can trace the history that the people who were funding the 1st public schools hired women for teachers because they would have paid them less because women are supposedly naturally caring and good with children and right i can testify personally that i'm terrified of children i'm very much not natural to go to children but the way that then you sort of see like ok so the teachers are

supposed to be caring for the children and they're caring for the children but then along the way it's not good enough to be caring anymore now because of you know you get the test scores right and then if the children aren't getting good test scores that it's somehow the teachers fault for not being caring enough but then now way and if you go back into the school you are likely to be again spreading coronavirus . the teachers are somehow being insufficiently caring because they're unwilling to march back into the schools again to potentially die such a fascinating narrative the way that like teachers care is sort of always weaponized against them in a variety of different ways so right now you know teachers are going out of their minds trying to teach virtually and like you know i find it stressful to stare into a screen for half an hour i can imagine doing it all day every day with a roomful of 9 year old staring at me and so the teachers are bending

over backwards to try to teach in these conditions and being told that they don't care enough because they aren't willing to sort of go back and do it in person when the reality that's being made clear by that is that you know the people in charge of that don't really care if the kids are learning because the teachers are not getting a ton of resources to help them a better more effective teacher is virtually they're just being scolded for not being willing to do the daily childcare part of the job that happens in person so that everybody else can go back to work. of course unlike the united states in a way have british private schools hold public schools like the ones the prime minister went to charities you have big sections in this book about charity and of course with coronavirus charity became a big thing with colonel tallman a former veteran trying to help the coronavirus you call challenge charity a relationship of power. interesting splaying about the importance of charity and

how it. connects to work i mean again that cove it is making all of this that much more clear right when you're hearing that we should just depend on sort of neighborhood charities to make sure people get fed when they've lost their job during lockdown. the whole structure of sort of private charity filling in around the edges of what the state isn't doing and you know you're in a country that actually has a health care system at least but in any case you have a variety of organizations that work in a variety of different ways to sort of you know some are doing more explicitly political work of tinkering around the edges of trying to you know fix this thing hearing this thing there some are providing food and i mean that just reminded me of the lovely privatized food distribution system where you've got kids getting you know like a half a sausage in a coin bag or something isn't going here american value of outsourced school lunches right yeah but so thinking about what it means to have sort of private

charities providing for the poor. it's a whole system built on justifying the way things are by saying like oh you know the rich people give back great bill gates gives back so much of his money that how does he keep getting richer it's a mystery that it serves as a way to say that you know the people who have all of that stuff they deserve to have all of that stuff and the what they distribute around the edges is good enough we should be happy with that rather than questioning why bill gates was able to accumulate so much in the 1st place well i mean. i have to ask why the ideas in your new book on on to more obviously known i know you talk about unpaid internships in the media that provides us with our vision of the world in many cases i mean you think they are propagandizing the market standing stalinism is

that why more people don't know that work is much more complicated than just we should love our workplace that's a great thing and that's part of life without knowing about all the structures that you explain in the book i mean there are both sort of conscious and unconscious processes that lead us to getting to where we are right like if you go back in rehab sort of managing the literature in the past 30 years you'll see a whole bunch of people writing a battle ways to you know convince your workers to be more motivated on the job but then there is also the fact that you know if you have to do something all day every day you know i really wrestle hochschild who derives the concept of emotional labor she notes that you know if you have to pretend to like it all day long it's easier if you can convince yourself but if you are finding ways to enjoy it in some way that makes it easier to get through the debt so there is a part of it that is is insidious like that right that it is. to go along with it because we don't have a choice but i think once again

a department that has been really. illuminating in this way that we can now see the way that but this thank god we were convincing ourselves we right is really not giving us rich. jaffe thank you after the break new revelations thanks to all skill when a sound or a finds of the dirty tricks used by nato governments to destroy democracy in the middle east. for more than 4 years trump was called the spot yet by cave to russia's demands to continue with the new start arms agreement also though is the lesson of ali and why he is so well in for. the world is driven by a dreamer shaped by the person of those. who

dares thinks. we dare to ask. join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and i'll be speaking to us on the world of politics sports business i'm show business i'll see you then. welcome back today marks 42 years to the day that ayatollah khamenei made his seminal return to iran during the 1909 republican revolution as speculation grows

over restarting the jays e.p.o. a nuclear deal with iran new light is being shown on events that prove recent nato nation back to violence against iranian interests has a long history osc attempted coup 53 starring refines reveals alleged new dirty tricks in anglo-american attempts to destroy democracy in iran directed by veteran documentary filmmaker tag e.-m. irani the film is edited in co-written by 3 time academy award winner walter merge the editor behind such classics as the conversation the godfather films apocalypse now and the english patient they both spoke earlier to going underground deputy editor charlie cook and he started by asking them about the film in 1953 the united states together with britain participated in a coup in iraq. and his government was went from power in favor of generals or he'd be out of. the running of the coup from our side was my responsibility. this is the sort of thing you both find in a book. if you 3 is

a story of grown up with the story of the coup is something that's embedded in ingrained in the psyche of iranians i grew up with it as a child and it took me 10 years to make this long and it's 153 its oil it's communism it's the british just americans cia m i 6 and iran struggle for democracy and control of its resources for a short window that was crushed. and you've called. the original sin and people watching it might see similarities between western foreign policy than western foreign policy now why is that case are important to today's political events in the middle east well in 1053 is the pivotal event in iran's history and how it's destiny and fate changed and how it affected not just iran and its relationship with itself but also iran's relationship with the west particularly america and the u.k.

we can draw a direct line from 1053 to the 1979 revolution when the coup happened was that that was overthrown for control of iranian oil and the shah was put in place was much more amenable in dealing with the west he became a man in iran in the middle east for thought well for the americans and that you know to support him to stay in power he became a kind of absolute monarch dictator and that blew up in the 79 revolution and iran's relationship post revolution and the toxic relationship it has particularly with america to this very day to this very hour right now is rooted in 53 and walter people obviously know your your work on the godfather and the conversation apocalypse now how do you become involved in this film. i met toddy in 2012 in new york i was working on another documentary then about the search for the higgs bows on talk he graduated in physics from nottingham university we met at

a gentleman's apartment who was investing both in the the particle physics film and in 3 and because of the physics connection we hit it off and had just had maintained a relationship over sense tell you my right saying that this sound was made over a decade while to how i was iffy to try and compile so much kind of content and data into such a sinked mv. time time and pressure how do you create a diamond you start with carbon and you compress it under great pressure and great teach which is to say tension and you wind up with something that is both clear and dense at the same time. talking just just talk about the importance of nationalization when it comes to some of the very at the heart of the case and the kind of the legacy of the. well the british treated iran like it was

a colony but it was never part of the empire and they had complete control of iranian oil for decades until mossad came to power in fact he he ran for for the premiership he know he stood as prime minister on the ticket of nationalizing iranian along with his prime purpose and that happened in april 1981 nationalization was wasn't so much about control of resources and getting the the benefit of iranian resource in or oil and the money from it but it was also exerting iran's independence and its sovereignty because the british treated iran like it was their thing it was india 2.0 and was sad and iranians were resentful of the way they would be treated by the british not only was there all looted and taken away running or the angrily running all company was the biggest overseas asset of the british state. british navy ran it ran on it they paid the war

debts on it and it was a huge huge resource and most of it's a bastard enough already and we want to take control back and that didn't go down well bit with the british particularly churchill who could have considered iranian oil british oil and other reasons for wanting to stand up to mossad there and they came up with the idea of overthrowing him pretty much immediately was like the moment you nationalized you had to go sooner or later we had to get rid of him is what they say he was also going to set an example a bad example for other countries wanting to follow suit and in fact that's exactly what happened with the suez canal in egypt nasser of hero worship mossad that there's a street in cairo named after him so that's why the nationalization was so important and through what means just explain some of the ways before the actual current 53 how they counted. destabilize the iranian government yeah it was a it was as a set ingredient it was like you're going to make this dish you need this you need

this you need this in order to have a successful coup you need to have the media on your side you have to buy the media you have to get newspaper editors to write propaganda pieces against most and then his government to destabilize and discredit him that happened you have to buy m.p.'s and members of parliament to have going to vote for legislation that's in your favor not the iranians favor you have to have the military on your side and the mob you need always you need a rent a mob and your captor assassinated a general or 2 that's right critical point that had a very loyal general very solid general and on his side and and he in fact had a list of conspirators who plotters and he was about to publish this and with the help of m i 6 under the direct direct rect issue of m i 6 norman darvish or my 6 officer who was running this coup they assassinated and in fact killing and a devoted loyal army general became a bit of a template they did that in chile as well in $73.00 and arguably acars of save and

so on is assassination harry truman so there is nothing new in the world except the history you do not know almost everything that's playing out on the world stage with iran and its relationship with the west in some way has played out before even sanctions and the oil embargo the british put an embargo on iranian oil boycott iranian oil and told everybody around the world they put adverts in international newspaper saying if you buy iranian oil you buy a lawsuit because you're actually buying storen or you're buying our or so and you know we have sanctions right now so nothing is new you have to read history to find out it's all happened before fake news was invented by the cia and m i 6 i'm sure m i 6 at least definitely deny that well. he mentioned norman you know everything until recently mit united existed as an institution you mention norman darvish or walter just tell us about the end of empire this program that is kind of the crux of the film. that we discovered fairly early on

that those those wonderful program had made as part of a series issued by on channel 4 by granada television in 1905 called end of empire and it was the story of the british empire and how it was winding down and also as todd he said iran was not ever officially part of the end of the british empire it was operationally the so and had been for a couple of 100 years and so there was an episode dedicated to iran and we looked at it and saw it was as fantastic that we found out that the producers of end of empire had given all of the film and all of the outtakes of this to the british film institute which amounted to something like 10 hours at least and what we were looking for was the film of

a particular interview with this british agent norman barbara for and todd he had discovered a transcript made by the end of empire of an interview with norman darbyshire a couple of years earlier in a basement in paris this was an operational transcript that had been cut up by the director of the film because it was so amazing and the good bits were put into some kind of a script. but when we got the stuff from the b.f. either was no. for. the agent norman darby for no trace of it and that led us down many a rabbit hole we found people who gave conflicting evidence about whether this phone was up or shot or not so we. found an actor in this case right on wonderful actor who i had worked with on english patient back in the mid

ninety's and he agreed in his busy busy busy schedule he was playing mark anthony at the national theatre at the time and he agreed to come to the savoy hotel were many of the original interviews for end of them are were shot and read episodes of fragments from this fantastic 14 page transcript. and he as the originator of the coup he was one of the co-authors of you know how how do you do this. and he was directing the coup by radio from cyprus as it was on film and take it that the good out of team deny being lent to edit out this interview is it your contention that the british government kind of next the normand officer in chief men of empire but there's been a lot of discussion about this this this was potentially going to be a legal challenge that never happened well we don't we don't take a line in the song if you watch the film carefully i really want to film carefully

with kind of objective we simply interview people honestly and fairly and accurately and it's it very transparent there's nothing there's no nothing magical or kind of tricksy editing going on we put all these testimonies alongside each other we has journalists come away unclear and one critical thing let's not lose sight of the most important thing nobody is denying that these are garnishes own words that transcript is authentic it's a real recording of he's interview tape on tape to tape the tape will and. it's out there it's for the 1st time in great detail in a magnificent performance by ray finds delivering explosive revelations that have never really been put out there in this form in a documentary before that's that's the claim to be the 1st to do that in fact it's even been acknowledged by. the vampire team that our film is the 1st to do that why do you think the u.k. government still denies any involvement in the case well it's one of the most

absurd weird open secrets the whole world knows everyone knows it's one of those like the biggest elephant in the room it's. in the absence of the admission and i see and i see an official admission because jack straw's talked about it people have talked about it it's in books it's you know it's been it's been out in the cia declassified papers it's everywhere even and then empire of course clearly they talk about it it's you know it's been in the will the report published in 1954 it's you know it's it's everywhere it's like you turn around everywhere there's the british part and a coup out there why do not admitting it who knows it's that it work they work in peculiar ways. evacuated creates a by not admitting to this gave open field open field to states for kemet who's about to take credit for this it has been known for decades as the cia coup the iranians come into the streets and shout death to america mainly because they saw

this as an american thing the revolution you know the shah was the cia's man and daughter share in the absence of all this thanks enough already this was my gig i wrote the plan i ran this coup then then lyndon. johnson added something hit the fan and it was about to go wrong and fail and kemet was told to leave i stayed and turned it around i ran my mom and so maybe that's another reason why he gave this interview i have to say i mean moment is a fantastic character he unfortunately died in 1903 but as a young man during world war 2 he went out to iran as a of and a list of man age 19 and in 143 he learned how to speak farsi he learned how to navigate the street and he rose very quickly through the ranks because of this talent and after the war was over he very quickly

became part of the speaker of service which. became m i 6 and rose through the ranks there. in comparison. kermit roosevelt who was the cia head who did not speak or anyone was only in iran for 3 weeks what was your normal divers who had essentially been in iran for 10 years well to tell you thank you so much thank you thank you m.r. ronnie and well to much speaking to going underground have to be added to charlie cook that and you can watch 253 online now might bring home that seventy's show back home when zach. until then subscribe to the trial on you tube and join me on the ground on twitter facebook telegram to graham in 2nd place.

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