planned 1st here in oslo and looking at joe biden's 1st speech at the state department. was supposed to be his vacation here in the mainstream media was positive towards it and he stressed at least in the beginning of his comments about diplomacy but if you look at the entire speech there is no gentler magic initiative being presented and very interesting me where there could be and should be diplomacy is afghanistan and it wasn't even mentioned once and i making a reference to the previous administrations deal to get us troops out of afghanistan remarkably it was absent and we'll talk about how russia played a role in it so essentially i saw no restraint i saw no real as and in many ways the continuity of the trim foreign policy go ahead plan. well i think the way he referred to diplomacy was mostly time so this you had the democratic allies us

because it is also a common theme going stir and i got to get a little bit dangerous all for trying there are very different but in some ways kind of similar because the main theme by his foreign policy speech was america's back. and this for me it's all there is a little bit similar to it becomes biden said hersh know her from so make america great again not for tropical siddur america economic decline to reduce its relevance in the world so he wanted more return on investment if you want for their military deployments and. they're very practical in those terms are transactional biden sees liberal decline of the us to be the source of us our own reduced relevance in the world and also very explicit about this is all in a speech because i want to link also a cultural revolution going through in the us at the moment i want to refer to scourge of white supremacy and yes he was very explicit this is linked to foreign policy as well because. our values at home will be you know how we lead in the

world while trying to lead with economic dominance and sees it as leading on value so also this was. a lot of the king of the speech the folks on the product allies the values. was more acute that it's logical conclusion then joe biden is talking about a colored revolution in america ok so we can talk about that a little bit later i mean these things that end up being connected and i think connected in people where people don't understand the law of unintended consequences you go to maxime here. the overall thrust of it was america is back and he said that but my reaction to that was well american never left she's done a stage in a different way as we just heard from black go ahead well i think. i agree with you i don't think america is ever left is just perhaps the feeling that there is within

the democratic party and he is and it's based on a trump the american image for apps there miracle or ship is down and biden is there to you know bring america back in the sense that america will be more visible more committed a smart person all that jasc will honestly i think america ease back in the sense of kind of moral lecturing us some of the states that sees its adversaries and i think there is no coincidence of course that russia going to dominate especially in the 1st half of the speech biden's rhetoric is perhaps the biggest spoiler of the international system where the american dominate international system as biden sees it on a but i mean to sing in the in the series i think it would this be it wasn't really much of a surprise in moscow is people pretty much expect it saying rather and i think we discussed even in this program in the run up to this administration that there will be a lot of this emphasis on human rights and democracy and moral lecturing he mentioned

volatile it's not so the reason but at the same time i have to say on the same day and i thought of mayor markable that was the 1st phone call between the foreign minister lever off and state secretary of lincoln and if you're right the state department readout of the conversation you get a sense that pretty much the conversation was the way that you know clinton was lecturing lateral fundamental rights and then all the other things and leverage just mistaken notes rest when you read the russian press release i thought it was more substantive and i get a sense that was a more substantive conversation in the sense they discussed i mean many areas but i thought the most remarkable were the. possible reason or exchange you know the americans detained in iran and russia and possibly the russians the team the united states copper ration in the demick. and you know these aren't. control thing. it and then means perhaps if there is kind of managed confrontation this is the

best what controls were in this circumstance yeah isn't it glenn it might seem rick brings up a very good point i mean look at the readouts and you know and again what biden had to say it's an enormous amount of bluster in hot air and it's for domestic consumption to mean if you look at the foreign minister in the secretary of state yeah there was the bluster in the hot air and all that but then it was some brass tacks too which i thought you know is maxine rightly points out i think that's going to be basically the basis of the relationship because the russia gate hoax is bled into american foreign policy any you just cannot ring that bell you know i mean there is no and this could is a well you know we've moved on you can't do that ok and it's really put the bike in ministration in a bind not the russians because the russians are on the receiving end of it go ahead block. well i think this is a big horse are actually i wouldn't be too worried about it i think actually come

produce better policies now it was very specific you said you know america will no longer roll over for russia again there's no clear to me how the u.s. has rolled over for russia under trump so what do you really. just shiva trump in our relations spiraled out of control somebody who thinks this is going to distinguish between speech and policies and the 1st was always this policy is trump is so kindly to him and biden has reassured us that he's very strict a tough or he speaks to or didn't so this appears to be the things i speak loudly and carry a little stake in terms of policies and what can move the u.s. do now i mean to have maxed out on the sanctions against russia but again i you know call me an optimist but i think this is a bit of a positive approach because the most important thing that u.s. and russia can do now is to manage this conflict as might or might manage to also. be. realistic cause i don't think there's much that can be accrued in the foreseeable future so there will be no reset again i think this is probably

a good thing cos there's so much animosity at the moment of any efforts to reset it or get caught up with. the met it's kind of interesting because this is the 1st american administration coming to power since the end of the cold war but is that as it rest of posture towards russia every single other missed new admission ministration coming and was looking at for some kind of reset ok and the biden ministration to say now we're not going to try that so i think you're both right and from a baseline and maybe in a very odd way counter to counter intuitive way that's a positive because if you're not going to be disappointed go ahead. and listen we're not disciplining from from the onset right when a bit disappointed further down the road but not the beginning i agree it's a it's a new approach of the american administration and i think the one that moscow is history rather happily embracing for now we'll see where it goes perhaps i mean

it's really hard to find a new substantive agenda for the bilateral relations in the moment that's why i brought brought up this i thought it was interesting that the russian press release mentioned this cooperation and then i don't think it's going to happen especially when they mentioned you know that the russians americans are going to come up with a joint vaccine resource thinking about that i think there's you know big pharma think that's really hard to deal with in the united states and that's not really where that's about that rustles going to go there but perhaps the little small steps such as they also mention the restoration of normal functioning or normal operations of the diplomatic missions i think that's one important thing that will perhaps facility in some context doesn't really require a lot of i mean it does require political will but does not see does not require a lot of concessions or sacrifices politically i think you know restoration of diplomatic missions that perhaps a necessary. possible prisoner exchange i think would be big and demand much more

political will specially in front from the united states perhaps it's one other option but policy wice i don't think there might be a lot of movement in a positive direction so perhaps and i'm personally more of a proponent of the what i'd call a strategic loss in the relations at least for some time when the 2 parties can focus on their own kind of domestics and not use each other as as the kind of galvanizing element for political reasons. i don't think it's going to happen either yes the russia as you mentioned led jumping but yes i am just want to point out because in united states being tough on russia is a very much very important far luke alleges it so people speak against moscow like reagan he had a political edge in missy and political capital to go to moscow and make deals you know people are trying to say oh let's get along with russia we you know in common they will be cut out in size and that you know that take that us agency and relations will become orse ever before so again i would agree with max point that

this thing is to a certain extent an extend existing arms control treaties and cooperate on pragmatic issues like extending it in this arms treaty and again this is what biden said let's extend this arms treaty and you know do great on pragmatic issues you know on that you want here he will embrace the rhetoric you know to point out america is this moral authority and dominance over russia and maybe that's a good saying at least the stabilizes positions and united states then you do have to speak to the mystic audiences as well could be because of their be the level and kind of rhetoric that biden is starting out in his secretary of state during this mation hearing. i was you used reagan as a storable president i would go even further grant i go to nixon nixon went to china so i mean. witness but not all of this her and. we never would have

bought that rushed the russian gate hoax would have sent to be so versatile ok and it's working great you can use it in domestic politics you can used on the internet asked a stage that has a lot of you since ok but you know if they keep up this type of rhetoric and by you know because biden is going to be the last i mean he was in he was in be they all office in the last days of the old obama administration and saw his apparently star ok with michael flynn all right and so he now has its uses and who knows maybe and uses behind down but i mean he could be kind of a nixon type character and so i don't you can you can trust me because i think all of us and our viewers going to agree there's a lot of important issues that you should all be armed as. you know fiery rhetoric here a messy let's kind of spread it out a little bit you know i think one thing in the in the speech like i pointed out afghanistan wasn't meant snowball which i think is kind of been this thing where

there's a lot of focus on saudi arabia for some reasons and i mean i had an interesting week you know he said you know it is a continuation of the trump administration many what was 1st more distant west to reoffend. right well i think things actually are not in afghanistan it was i thought that the new administration has taken a very different approach from the one that trump adopted in the sense that they're not really are there a lot more focus on on talking with the i'll let me jump in here we're going to go to a short break and after that short break and continue our discussion on the bike need ministrations foreign policy state party. join me every 1st day on the alex salmond show and i'll be speaking to a guest of the world of politics or business i'm show business i'll see you then.

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a good way out of this that you know if i suppose that were children are torn between gold. i was very poor i thought i was doing my best to get back to see which side will have the strongest appeal. welcome back across top where all things are considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're talking about joe biden's foreign policy. ok let's go back to maxine here in moscow right before going to the break we're talking about what you just said is possibly a different approach that by the ministration as that is going to have with afghanistan go right ahead right there and you know the trumpet ministration advocating kind of these negotiations with the taliban as an important element on the ground and then and you know one for an element to embrace if there are there

should be a settlement on afghan conflict by demonstration seems to be taken on a war a kind of tough approach on the taliban and more conciliatory towards the afghan government and the taliban are obviously not happy with that so there might be a lot more instability and we'll see if there is a space for for moscow and beijing to jump on saudi arabia i thought was really interesting but i have to say that the biden policy team kind of composed. you know the so-called press pragmatists such as say blinking you know what let's say that it's on air so called i would exactly exactly ah the local reformists such as solid who seems to be unselfish as an avenue henry kissinger you know willing to do some. superb thinks and it is the progressive who are mostly working on this economic and domestic agenda up there very are happy that they did

not make its way into the you know the foreign policy domain. so punishing or castigating the saudis for the war in yemen and you know kind of over all the rights abuses citizen is in a way and he's a target for the bite and to placate the progressive and you know ending the war and it can even yemen basically does not require a lot of you know bipartisan consensus or. you know 'd let me. just jump in here look at the wording the u.s. you stop supporting a saudi arabia's of offensive actions ease of the am and i'm paraphrasing here i don't have the text but you can parse that in so many different ways it's not saying that we're going to make the saudis stop now there are at a red just horrific war against him and he's didn't that's not right and here that's why that's why i say it has more to do with that with kind of domestic appeal to the progressive wing of the democratic party

a morsel done to these foreign policy changes go a lot for say you know they need perhaps to do something that will look at the progressive wing will appreciate and then to get package it as a transformative foreign policy approach which in fact will not be such you know i mean i'm glad that there's no downside in doing that because we still don't know the fate of these arms agreements that that of the tribe in ministration made in the in the waning months of before the new administration came into power as that's left open ended here we don't know about that ok but there is plenty of arms agreements made during that the trumpet ministration here so there's very little doubt but little downside at this point here but it's also you know you know castigating the warrant against yemen but the same time again i was really surprise and we will protect the sovereignty. of the kingdom ok i think you know that was going to the election we see would spread to sovereignty of the united states the southern border it's a topic for another program go ahead it was

a common theme throughout the foreign policy speech was. that was a bit contradictory because he wanted to be very strong and firm in language but really it didn't take that clear position so for example this ali is a good example so the usa was very clear like because of their moral hot moral values to the u.s. house office or against the bots the u.s. will still support saudi arabia against iran now by was previously also said that he agrees with this assessment of the yemen war as the main conflict between saudi arabia and iran so so it's a very difficult to have it both ways a lot doesn't mean that the u.s. has mainly provided support for saudi arabia in disorder in yemen they want to help us out but again i get all the other it just felt or so so in some ways this is very forceful speech but it could actually mean absolutely nothing or what exactly would change and this is kind of again is a running theme saying well china we will be very tough on china however sure we

will succumb to the understanding and you know russia will get tough on russia you know we don't really have any more sanctions we really need this trade so i decide this foreign policy speech it really tells me that the u.s. is still trying to find its place another outlet changing world and it also tells me that the u.s. is still very divided domestically so has to appeal to all groups i mean the terror credit on himself is very fractured and he speaks to all sides of this divide and party he has to throw out some something for everyone which is all you have is a mix not so you know i mean that speech resist a mixed bag of virtues signaling all the way through here maxy on the 1st day the biden ministration there were reports that american troops in iraq were transferred into syria now we have to remember that we have mr blinken who is in the obama administration very much involved in the syria syria conflict you may think he may feel that there's unfinished business there and that it that doesn't

bode well for syria obviously. and for regional stability. i'm very worried about that because he wakened if you look at what he said in the recent past is that the u.s. didn't do enough for regime change didn't do enough to change syria now a secretary of state yes absolutely well i think he's pretty. committed sinner in terms of transforming his words into actual policy and i think it eco's well across other agencies of the u.s. government the gentry really topple assad militarily were through coup or through a special operation right now it's strangling the regime and who can more costs an additional burden on and on russia and iran for support and damascus as i think is going to be the policy of this administration in the in the in the coming days one aspect to watch for apps is the u.s.

relationship. with turkey and it's a kurdish groups on the ground because the movement of troops that you mentioned from iraq to syria is reportedly this is kind of trance from additional military hardware and other support for the kurdish groups and this is something that not just russia did not like or syria obviously did not write like it is this is basically fortification of the american and british positions around some of that will reserves but also turkey did not relax and it will be a bunch of very difficult relations to to manage is initially you know for going back to what lincoln and others mentioned before the entered office was that they were willing to expand this kind of cleavage between moscow and entre and including on syria but now you know by its by support an additional kurdish formations it just makes. it more angry. well it's very interesting i mean again it's

kind of a very weird virtue signaling glenn you know i mean it's a stirring things up here. during the trumpet ministration now in the early days of the by the ministration no one is really explain why the united states needs to continue with the illegal occupation of syria it's never explain what is their strategic goal and when and when what does it mean to win quote unquote it's never made clear. well this one i'm a guy and. i started this social issue that discussing that and trump and biden this is about many differences you know in one chunk that began to what occupied the oil fields on syria on how we got their oil we're going to make some money you know. i think it was a difference of 1st 1st day in office he intensifies doctor patient in syria you know he speaks the language of democracy and freedom and. human rights and rainbow as if this was a new summer different language but the policies are very similar so. yeah i mean

but and that's just talking nonsense like i mean how can you be talking about diplomacy and democracy when you're occupying a country illegally under international law it's complete nonsense here let me stay here with you glenn you said something that probably more than anything else caught my eye but i really didn't understand what it meant and i thought it was in some ways it was kind of a him you lation or copying of trump emotion he said he wanted a foreign policy for the middle class did you find that interesting is i'm not really sure what he meant by that is that mean that you know america 1st you know build infrastructure jobs for americans control immigration because that's what the middle class would like i didn't understand and the reason i'm thinking about it now is because you said and i think you're absolutely right is that he's talking to different constituencies in the united states is this say is this a. something towards moderate republicans or something like that because i don't

and i don't know where seldon apparently is the big proponent of this i don't know when it is all it could be i mean even more recently hillary clinton published an article in the think foreign affairs for shit men argument effectively comes argument i cannot mix nationalism so we have to regain our psychological advantage to get back industries from china you know has to control is for teaching technologies to trust haitian or gores banks are very much there are the same arguments that i cannot make nationalism of trump now again and that's a good reasons behind this oh he might be going after some of this trump orders because the problem for the democrats is ever since occupy wall street they haven't well it's from long before they. addressed the middle class in terms of any one addressed economic issues because what can you really do it was the economic issues if you still got a piece or a daughter so they can shift the discussion now as the problem isn't economic

inequality is racism and so it's transsexuals it's you know we need more equity in it and it's our lead became. you know that anything about economics something that doesn't cost you money to. deal with so you might be yes different. approach strip young old people who abandoned the left and they went with trump i mean this is a theme we saw not just in the u.s. on in britain as well that the right wing populist are suddenly taking a voting base from the political left and their failure to address economic questions is a big reason for this ok next 20 seconds you know you see nato expansion the bite ministration. us and that's a big one. factor in this mansion crane in georgia into context self kind of solution. again there also is for nature joining it's setting an alarm and signal

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