but then the damn building started and in 2013 there was a disaster much bigger this one has lost a few lives and 200 people are missing the 2013 disaster and get that out was. nearly 610-0000 missing and we did a very detailed study there were tunnels where dynamiter was being blasted all of them had related projects and all the muck from these tunnels was being dumped into the river so at that point we realized there are 3 things much. climate disaster because the glaciers are melting hillocks are forming a mad development just asked of thinking these fragile mountains can take all the wilds of a war and the current disaster. deregulation disaster which assumes that contractors can make whatever money they want to and there's no liability there is no responsibility well deregulation which i got to reemphasize is

definitely not mentioned linked to this tragedy in the himalayas has been connected i think by everyone to the largest what some say are the largest workers' strikes in human history it just recap what on earth is being going on over the past 16 months because in very little of all coverage in nato nations if you look at only the last 6 months you want to understand what's going on because this started in 1901 when the world bank with conditionalities having got us into debt for the green revolution the chemical agriculture the fertilizers the dams and the 90000000000 debt we had and then they put structural adjustment and there were elements of structural adjustment they said you have to remove will stop holding the past limits you have to remove price regulation you have to get rid of the regulated markets which are run by corporate chips of treatise and

pharmacies and governed by the regional governments not by the centralized government this india such a large country every region has a different type because if you crop differences to be you should system and you can have one uniform button but now not only do we have one unit going back to india mr gates my favorite person these days says he wants one it's one for the whole work so the one by this package together and this means resistance against this but at the same time the w 2 rules will eat in nigeria and we knew what the globalized as the corporations wanted they wanted to patent scene they wanted pretreated commodities and they wanted soon. of sanitary measures to shutdown local food economies and promote junk food the result of all this has been 30 years of huge political agitation and

movement and the fathers of many of the people on the streets today what must with me 500000 farmers in bangalore 200000 in the red thought we were saying food is too precious to be left to trade driven by profit it's not a commodity it is a livelihood for the farmers and a necessity for the rest so we have 50 years of who wins a grotesque it's just that during the school with as has happened in every country the laws have been put in place which in democratic debate would not have come through and the furnace where young activists then so people $91.00 and today it's a continuum and part of those who would like us to forget history and raise it and rewrite it will probably get a machine really think people who've lived that being can forget it we truly east india company out in 857 it was a peasant revolt and britain but they still haven't found

a heretic either. in london the british name to the support of mutually just like they're trying to now rename these lower movements as linked to religion or terrorism and and the spin is working overtime but these are peasants and as they say again and again we are fighting for the saw oil and the soul of india if the small farmers are normal india is not a civilization that is india they nourish the soul of this country and we have states more farmers in spite of the global powers wanting to grab the land and turn us into a large fund desert like the midwest of the united states is because of. this in africa saw all this love for india and this pride in feeding this country that it is feeding 1300000000 i can tell you the us mother cannot feed 1300000000 the indian palmers have done it and i take pride in this. well as you say the

movement certainly has grown in the quarter of a 1000000000 people now on the streets but the world bank would no doubt say ok there were mistakes made back then with there are. in ideological policies they reform to an extent are now thrown around or modi india's leader he claims that exactly what the farmers are protesting about they should be celebrating because it gives them more autonomy and reduces that taxes well in the infamous don't pay taxes we've kept agriculture because because agriculture so basic everything is not taxed in india so there's no issue of taxation as well as far as incomes and so incomes is a result of how much does it cost to produce and what you earn well mend costs keep shooting up and a globalized system of monopolistic bind continues to drive prices down i have

a book here my 36 years of research this will rise ational prices in the world bank admits this but as corporations take poor instead of a very intimate price feeling that you know the ferma produces and gets on a consumer pays you get a poor rise issue where the prices the consumer be shooting up because of deregulation and the incomes farm is collapsing my research has shown that in globalized supply chains the 1st pharma the farmer the original producer the primary producer gets as little as point $5.00 to $0.05 that's it take any commodity analyze it analyze the pineapples of bananas the coffees analyze it. traditionally in india it was a 6 percent difference and the deputy who rules how much it will be $91.00. well by groups $97.00 the quantitative descriptions and the small resident that

growing and if it carries on this way 99 percent goes to the treating giant tree and of course by now in these 30 years of globalization every car has an indian park every month central has an indian park every pepsi has lots and lots of indian franchises so this idea that if global corporations who are outside. and there's a domestic economy doesn't work in a global accessed the preternatural boundaries these corporations they greet national sovereignty they great food so really unwillingly and promise of planting is food so pretty and that has been the struggle in india and i'm so glad you became a builder struggle foods already get food out of. rex it has been basically meat food totally subject to free trade rules of bad who wasn't chlorinated chicken g.m. or was dean it it who so although some people would say breaks it was

a response to the european union's contamination by that kind of ideological operators that you're just you've just been talking about am and all those companies would say they are benefitting the people in india as they act as well of course in developing countries all around the world i don't know perhaps they say part of the ideology is precisely meritocracy precisely the idea of these free markets and those that do not succeed those small holders in the face of competition they go to the wall and can be given charity or some kind of crumbs from the table or some might call it competition how can one not least be competition how can 4 times controlling chemicals and c inputs and taking patents on what they store from us because british how can for china green treatise

collecting all the subsidies of the work. it's a duck a $1000000000.00 a day they call it from all the governments of the work and they call it the subsidies and the promise on have support and that is competition and pepsi coming in and making all of our indigenous foods a street food just snag some women's production skills illegal to see you know safety laws that's competition you know if it was a true level playing field the small farmer will win hands down that's my life's work now since 1984 small farmers are more productive the f a o has shown that it to percent of the food we eat comes from small farms small farms produce more our research in the movement has started now than the un has shown that small farms with by the u.s. city without chemicals can feed 2 times india's population if we farm in the right

which basically what we are living through is food imperialism and an aspect of it is food racism where this is the minute some black or white all the black everything should be white by jumbo white flour white rice white sort people who are into black pepper and the big corporations who deny any malpractise all and you know how little car you know the private private health of. your argument might have on you know is what led to the creation of the east india company it was the spices of india and the west was paying one bag of gold for a bad book from india that's why india was so rich we had 25 percent of the world economy because of our spices and i have to start as the british took 45 trillion out of india through extortion through extraction from the peasants driving to famine the last being the great bengal famine which hits 2000000 people and

british made money during that time that led to a movement of women saying we don't give you 2 how what we call. least leave 2 kids with us and then move them into the continued movement to end of penance and lead to the essential commodities that which is one of the roles being dismantled so our history of the british history so we will but sadly we have experience and the fight for truth i think you'll find britain's prime minister has written a book on churchill linked to the bengal famine incredibly proud of british colonialism took him on though she wrote stop you there more from the world renowned environmentalist after this short break. we'll get the 3 headed vigilante coming our way we've got the bond vigilantes are coming back they're stranded drug dealers shorting bonds and now it means day she

is going to try to force bond collapse like we saw in 1993 so he the bond vigilantes back he's talking about gold then so are others just a golden jewel auntie's and the big point vigilantes i've been here since 22009. and they're growing exponentially now in the price of course as it goes under a trillion in this year 2021 it'll be worth more than 4 trillion so those are the 3 headed vigilantes that are now coming for the dollar the dollar is just sitting ducks.

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welcome back i'm still here with globalisation packing it up have on that i shiva i've got to ask really given given that you're presenting it in this way why do you think there are strikes here in britain given that obviously small farmers and small trade is similarly being defacto attacked by big multinational ideologically driven by policy makers. well the reason they aren't is because most of the small farms have been wiped out i'll give a tragic story you know when when i've realized that the corporations want you to want to fatten the seed and they wanted to use the w t o to import back and see i started save seeds i started not anya but i also started to work with my brother in parliament to make laws that seed is not an invention and started to travel the word to make sure that we wouldn't accept these permissions i remember a debate in was to come and be

a panelist he didn't come in time and finally when he walked into the door he said i cannot come to the stage because i am no more of hama just today i had to mortgage my farm and now truck driver so most of the small farmers of england i'm driving trucks india we have forked and i feel grateful that i've been given an opportunity for the last 36 years to stand with us more promise we have managed to sustain a small farms and they have to continue to be off their memory of the fight against the british the fight against the world bank of the deputy o. the fight against the green revolution they called it slavery and as has been said the fight of people against power is the struggle of memory against forgetting so on the streets of india is the memory of fighting colonialism is the memory of fighting the new imperialism and food is where the new imperialism is embodied and

mr gates in the future is i'll get the growth i'll get i'll get the gates and the sack and everyone thinks is easy by the way demonstrating we're getting reports even congress leaders are super or has been on this show was arrested for pressuring information about the strikes. well it was in a fire for the rest of the supreme court is he and now that joe jonas salk journalists because the public those protests they should be arrested but the supreme court has stopped the everest well we have a well we have a famous journalist obviously julian assange imprisoned just down the road from from here continuing to be a. arrested and detained here in britain breck's it means that boris johnson has been looking again at e.u. regulations about genetically engineered food what would you suggest british people do ahead of a possible ruling that allows gene editing rather than what's previously been known

as g.m.o. has to be on our shelves here in britain very soon. well you know if i had been part of the the u.n. negotiations i was part of the expert group that drove the by safety locks and genentech modification is genotype modification you could do it through gene editing you could do it by adding a new gene you could do it by deleting a gene you could do it by it so as the european court of justice route gene editing is a g.m.o. and has to be regulated by safety and also witnessed how the early discussion on bricks it started when the european bio safety laws were preventing g.m. was from entry not because the european commission wanted to keep them out but from a grassroots movement so growing i have advised the regional government that will do it larry g.m.o. free zones all of europe have become g.m.o. free and england was used as the georgian horse to try and break it bricks it was

the entry point and the fact that it until i think you'll find that some working class communities were upset by globalization and were more concerned some of them immigrant rather than being lobbied secretly by big multinational genetically modified purveyors of food fuck you know. i don't think for the decentralized working class the issue of g.m. was a big thing for them definitely rules of globalization are and new liberal trade is . part of the new feeding feeding this message is to always make it look like regulation is the problem rather than deregulation being the problem after all there's not a single regulation of modern times that has come without struggle the mochas rights came from workers struggles in mom and the rights came from environmental

struggles women's rights came from in women's who was child rights came from struggles to protect children the convergence of. the big check the convergence of the the financial deregulation and think that convergence of bio take and the mclean's tree the convergence of information technology all this has made it very difficult for ordinary people to gauge the truth of what is causing that big and what is causing this only sustain that sees the other reason the migrant is the reason someone else is the reason democracies the recently elite is the reason that educated is the reason late intellectuals are the reason and the spin has been monster at so well by the new politics of divide and rule and that's why we have to and together as democracies we have to hang together through our diversities hand together through solidarity not just within the countries but now globally as

humanity because a bunch of 10000000000 is a ruling the world and they want us divided while british prime minister morris johnson says that kind of thing that you've just been talking about is mumbo jumbo it's anti american and as you know well his g.m.o. providers say this is all a bit like crossing apple trees for new varieties and in fact monsanto a 10 maise of human sand around right bear says you know this is about reducing dependency on crops i think it just may have made a settlement of 2000000000 but said you know there was nothing wrong with what monsanto has been doing with the round up it's just a man it's just a settlement of $2000000000.00 in the past few days in case. well you know no the $2000000000.00 is amount to try and support the legal process around fines that will be in big already by after having bought out months sensual has lost

as much money as it spent on buying one cent so it's like 0 the value when i might have to remind our audience about round up in case they don't realize they're eating it already actually if they're in britain so. there was a chemical called life is saved it was useful cleaning pipes and then it was bought out by monsanto 100 in make it and then it fell on the grassy knoll on the grass died and so we can make it a real killer and then they patented as we decide and then in genentech engineering started they started to buy up all the companies that did republican d.n.a. and said now we will make plants resistant to round up so that everything else will die except the plan that's been resisted drowned. 2 problems with this problem number one the one they call bede's we don't see any we've got a risky but the 2nd big problem with the roundup ready crops is that roundup is

everywhere it's in your food and if it's you know the food this is it safe for humans but you don't because it goes into one and i have got has the same metabolic some as the plant so it's really just what's called a she made up and it just roy said that micro biome kills the enzymes that allow one brains to function so you have a more and more new regenerative diseases and monsanto register tonight is scientifically established that highlight as you know are they outspent. but using ladens these issues went to war because it causes cancer he was suspended it on different times and then renewed the suspension but i suppose while they continue to deny any impact whatsoever as you have you'd expect. the micro biome is becoming a name that crops up more and more in terms of how to sell you more supplements to

repair your micro biome and surely they'll be saying to you you know. a chimpanzee had a new virus that's from gene editing to combat coronavirus money can be made out of the arguable consequences of the things you've been warning about of a decade perhaps of it not. well you know that is the problem with this i called it in my book when this was sent the money machine because no piri explains all of. what only experience can tell you they cause a disaster and then from the impact of that disaster they create a new market and make a bigger disaster and then they create a new market so every cost borne by the unmonitored and by humans becomes a new market opportunity for the seeing people who caused that problem right now that has damages caused by just chemicals in our food and junk food and generals in our who is becoming the biggest market the biggest biggest market for

a combination of big pharma big food big tank big money it's already one big can still stop on this last well makes a lot of money for some people but interesting you talk about markets there because you know in the you heard about it all the way in india but we've had an economics a biodiversity report the desktop to review saying we i suppose it into the implies that we should use market terms to talk about the environment if you have come across it what do you make of using the jargon of neoliberalism to value our water air and food. well you know coming back to the disaster what caused the 1st disasters in my vision because the british had commercialized forests and the value commercial value of forests meant devaluation of the ecological that you who are no stake alogical that the people who live. the

new or liberal values of to making biodiversity portfolios is wrong for 2 reasons 1st market values on the real values the just a price and a profiteering system i should just interrupt there another in case a in case anyone thinks you have a thought of using the word biodiversity portfolio you know that is actually a thing now here in britain right. that's exactly what that's what the report is promoting that there are basically saying economists will tell you how to value this but what they can tell you how to value is to extract apologists for the marketplace and we need to realize that the market value is not the real value of an integrated interconnected complex web of life will win by by diversity i have dedicated my life to buy to a city since i realized that the monsanto's want to do better and see and when i

see good people thinking that the field instruments of the market is going to protect the earth and nature and biodiversity i feel sad i feel sad because if think of it has to be some very strong power to influence their minds because this is not coming from independent minds you mentioned bill gates earlier we've had bill gates funded scientists on this program maybe a critic of your work might add. that why pick on one particular person rather than the structure and i know you have been talking about the structures for decades why go on about these individuals rather than the structure that creates a bill gates or one of the 10 billionaires that talked of today well you know my book one this was this one percent is really about the structure that creates the bill gates that the new internationalists has published a new it's available from since agree in the united states when he said what i

think of upon him no i don't pick on anyone i did pick on one side and it came into my head if i did because there was my i found it hiding behind a eucalyptus tree i haven't picked on gates but he's all over the place even want you want to know you want to know if you gentlemen something else who would have imagined he live my list because landlords if i gave her land and land in bombers and to google for bill gates if i dedicated my. i live to saving seeds and this ia bill gates has taken control of all the seat supply of the world he's taking goal control of the consumptive group of international agriculture research gene banks which for all the seats of the world i would have to look at bill gates now if it would have been just based on the look at just days it was if it had been elon musk going to look at elon musk's you know this digital agriculture and farming without promise that he's pushing so on and so while he basically is the reason that

pharmacy protests are being ignored because if you want a future you don't want farmers why would you listen to them if you want to future with llamas you will engage in democratic debate he is the face of the new and by god i wasn't the only person in the east india company but he was the face that came to india and ruled us so we would talk of class columbus wasn't the only spaniard but he was sent to the media but lost his way so of course the latin americans were tall and they didn't speak a little columbus he is the face what he was going on today and he's a very conspicuous race who cops are everywhere and really he has become an appointed doctor by the notion of a thank you and that's of the show will be back on monday to speak to you know on my skin because it's going see you want to bear about how pitt going to tell the end of capitalism as we know it until then join the underground by following up on social media and if you want them to make choices and thrive at the bell like john

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