only because of his position on a social or political issue this is more brands uses social issues to build its marketing strategy making consumers focus not on the quality of the product but what owning that product might portray about them but it's not just products the people who are falling victim to the cancel culture some even being damned just with an accusation so is there a difference between the cantle culture and the cola culture and what role should a play in the present day environment we're going to look at it from a legal perspective as well as give you the 360 view of how this has become an effective political weapon used by both parties this censorship is not only coming from the government but also from media platforms we're going to tell you about the dangerous power play happening in australia i am scotty no hughes and you're watching news. here on our to america. my. you know there is no doubt words are powerful but within avenues of information

rapidly growing every day those who control the platforms which information is dispersed are increasing in power as well so the start of stuff on today show focus on the cancel culture and censorship is the author of words of 4 warriors fight back against a crazy socialist and the toxic liberal left and someone whose families actually had to deal with this exact issue this week nationally syndicated radio host sam sorry but thank you so much for joining us sam thanks for having me you know it's a very interesting conversation that's been going on this is nothing new but i want to ask you what is going on do you think in today's culture and what makes it different from the past. well i think it's not terribly different from the past and i think that's that's sort of the problem that we're having is that gina carano called out and just said basically hey the government and the nazi government turned the people against against their their their neighbors for their different

religious views how is that different than turning people against their neighbors for their political views and for that she was she she lost her job she was attacked and here's the funny thing about that frankly is how do they know that they're the nazis in her in her scenario well and that because they basically went in and improved it as well and that's the thing sam you know this goes back to history sometimes you quote history and if you're quoting for it to be punished for actually quoting history of the facts that we do know happened to be par for the present day i think it's what people are scratching their heads about it on wait a minute how can that be wrong is it that we want to know we want to know history so that we don't repeat it but it comes down to words and you've written a book focused on this words but i have to i have to wonder when it comes to some of these words do you think they're bringing you this face value or it's just kind of talking points thrown around do you think people really understand what they mean and a good case of this would be socialism you know that this rally cry right now a fight for the conservatives are using but do you think most really understand

what socialism is involved with. i think that a lot of people know what socialism is and then there are a lot of people who are quite naive and i would say that my book focuses on the fact that the left has specifically taken words and changed their meanings for instance fascism fascism is an is a traditionally it's a left wing ideology it has nothing to do with the right wing and yet if you ask almost anybody on the street they'll say oh yeah the right wing fascists that doesn't exist that's a complete anomaly it's a fantasy frankly and it's a way that the left has managed to take our language pervert it and the way that they use it to lie now the thing is that there is one thing that that is completely intolerant in the world and that is the truth the truth won't tolerate a lie ok so who's screaming for tolerance the left why because they lie and so they have to ask for tolerance if they were telling the truth they would

be like no it's the truth gravity doesn't argue gravity is gravity it's the truth if you want to argue with gravity and drop off a $27.00 story building you will lose gravity will win because it's the truth there's no argument but we see the arguments coming from the left because they need us to tolerate the lies but that's that they get you right through the arguments coming from the other side but those within your your own side those within the conservative movement are allowing it to happen they're allowing their fellow members to be bullied for it they're not unified in standing up to it i think a lot of people actually celebrate when certain people within the conservative movement are basically taken down and they were canceled and why i came you know if this is such a major issue right now this cancel culture happening because of these terms why can't conservatives get together and fight against it unified. well we aren't we aren't filled with group think the left is very good very good at practicing groupthink and so there there's they basically have

a bot mentality that they're all part of the borg to mix my metaphors and and so they just they don't necessarily think about what they're doing whereas conservatives are a lot more independent that's why you have the left preaches socialism which is slavery and everybody that's a leftist jumps on board with that because they're like yes slavery sounds good to me for whatever reason and the right doesn't want slavery so they're like no no no and i'll go my own way don't tell me what to do and it's too bad but otherwise we would win all the time frankly because we have the truth on our side so what we have to do is we do have to organize and you know to that and you started the segment talking about the fact that my husband was just so merrily removed from facebook i call that a digital assassination it's not cancellation it's assassination because they are denying his existence he went in opened a new page by the way they never told him why they came out after the fact and said well we warned you know they didn't they warned him for other reasons and other

things he behaved the way that they instructed him to behave took down whatever the post was that they found offensive which is another word that the left has now completely you know transgressed and so he opened another page and they took it down they said you don't have a right to exist this is this is digital assassination is what they did to the president a sitting president of the united states of america it is an outrage that they feel that they have the authority and the capacity to do that i'm not arguing that they have the legality perhaps although that's still a nebulous issue because what exactly what function do they perform and i know you i'm hoping that you're going to talk about what they're doing to australia right now because it's outrageous and we need to figure out and organize as you pointed out a way to overcome. and that's a point right now sam that i think is important that i want to make sure the show emphasizes and yes you are seeing this on the right you are still seeing claims of

this happening on the left both sides the key is we need to make sure it's fair across the board because what the status is today could be completely different and flipflop across the world across years down the road we want to make sure that we have actually things that are common and fair for all involved and i think that's all the majority of americans want right now is fairness sam thank you so much for joining us and good luck with your husband's the facebook page. they took it down so it's not there but you pick up my book richard warriors absolute thanks for joining us. you know sam brought up there is basically there's a difference between this ethical debate as well as the legal debate as to whether or not these cancellations and restrictions of certain groups on the internet or social media platforms is happening and if it should be allowed to help us to find out the answer we bring in legal analyst lionel lionel thank you so much for joining us. you know when i was noticing when donald trump was kicked off twitter this is actually when the only times that trump did not fight back he did challenge

a decision he didn't like that made me wonder what the law actually regarding what social media platforms can or cannot do here in the united states. civil as long as there is no law that prevents somebody from being summarily censored it's legal if there is no speed limit you can drive as fast as you want the thing goes scotty but we have to do is we have to have new laws that redefine what social media are i submit they are utilities in effect as an analogy imagine if you picked up your phone and you're talking to somebody in your carrier decides to drop you because you're speaking misinformation or you wouldn't tolerate it you can see the phone company can do that and if they say well swarm your own song company you will see what sort of my own song know your utility what if your electricity did not allow you to plug in certain radio programs because of the misinformation so we

have to redefine what social media are so not just luxuries they're not just a person who says little things will train kids they are you tell of these they are the means by which we communicate well and you say that they are going to what we're actually asking or the largest now most powerful lobbying groups were saying not only here in the united states but around the world to basically put limits on themselves i'm not so optimistic. at this point but can you not use it from the angle of the fact that there are brutal dictators there hate groups pedophiles some of the same excuses they used of kicking donald trump off and other politicians off they are still out on social media for so for a health for safety of society shouldn't that you know does it work the government getting involved if it does stop bad people from using platforms to aid in their plans and making it switch from being a social media platform to this utility you speak of. well if you're merely saying something that is problematic in terms of the content of the speech that's one thing in 171 that was published the anarchist cookbook and they were talking about

how can you publish a book that tells people how to blow people up and create bombs and silencers and he said sorry that's information when twitter and other social media platforms use it to to primal gate child rape and videos of of sexual molestation that said that come poll weekly different realm but here's the kicker scottie when when brought to their attention twitter will say well we don't necessarily see this is being against our public policies as a way to make your documenting a more realizing rape but your but if i were to talk about hydroxy chloroquine or talk of or dare to challenge an election which is my right as a citizen in any forum at any time i want that's for bolton you see the problem we have is this is about thinking and it's not the thought police it's the thought vigilantes this is the part that just so scary scottie it's people not the

government but citizens somebody on c.n.n. somebody who has a blog somebody you know somebody who loves this weird scrum this vigilante disk this death a movement you know pitchforks and torches to shut you down because we'd love to stifle speech to get another scalp on the wall it's citizens that scare me more than the government or the lack thereof well and that's you go for a 3rd of that i forget that we do also have these things called the constitution and we do have the freedom of speech even though thorough a soft and it can be turned against us and it's actually what keeps us. getting cancelled in the 1st place lionel thank you so much for joining us thank you so much. so when we return we're going to continue our conversation with a 360 view and tell you about a social media platforms retaliatory actions and australia trying to show who really has the power all this after the break.

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but also around the world many times we have seen it come from also how our tarion government looking to control the information to the people but what happens when the actual media platforms use its cancellation as a form of retaliation and such as the developing story we're finding out of australia and we bring in investigative journalist ben swan with the latest. hey ben thanks for joining us on this one you know i have to ask you what is going on in australia as there's not much reporting happening on the issue yeah it's pretty interesting so just a little bit of background here so the australian parliament is expected within a couple of days to be passing a brand new law which basically says that tech giants like google and facebook specifically those 2 companies can no longer just run articles and publish content from news organizations without paying those organizations for what they're trying to do and australia they say is are going to help prop up journalism and make sure that good journalism stays alive by forcing these companies to pay for it while

google's kind of gone along with that so far they've already struck a $30000000.00 a day oh a year deal with one company they're working on deals with other companies but facebook facebook decided it's not going to do that so instead this morning australians wake up and what they find is that all new sites have been removed from the all facebook in australia there is no journalism there is no new sites at all but then basically gone a step further they've actually removed a lot of government agencies as well and that includes things like for instance. the bureau of meteorology was taken down state health departments were taken down emergency service pages were all taken down now throughout the day facebook started to restore some of that but essentially what they did was they came in and said if you're a government agency you don't get to be on facebook because you're making us pay for journalism that's on our site so that's essentially what happened they started to roll it back but i got to tell you scotty it feels like facebook with way too far with this and what's going to wind up happening is instead of just having to deal with this new law regarding paying for journalism they're probably going to

get hit with a whole other set of fines and possibly even pushed out of the country altogether when that's the thing that i mean we are still in the middle this global pandemic so when you cut off government agencies that are telling people where they can get the vaccine where they can get treatment what actual information people need right now when they're looking to the internet for it i can see where this actually being endangerment but i think this goes back to the argument is facebook a platform or is it a utility what is it trying to serve and at this point it seems like they're kind of trying to have a peacocking share right now again for government to show who's more powerful is that what you're reading into this and could this mean could this be dangerous even for other countries yeah so what's interesting about it i agree a person of all as a platform i think facebook should be in a position where they say we don't have to pay for content if news publishers want to be on our side they want to publish or of or if users come up and and put up news articles on our site we're not responsible for that they could make that case except for the fact that facebook has been the last couple of years making itself

into a publisher essentially decided what can and cannot be there there is a big distinction between platform and publisher in this case they have crossed that line so many times now because they've crossed that line now that the australian government is treating them like a publisher publishing other other people's content and making them pay for it for facebook to now take this fight to the government australia and essentially say all right we'll find out who stuff are we will essentially remove all of these government agencies from the site and we'll remove news journalism from the site. we'll see if this becomes kind of a game of chicken where now the australian government how do you respond that you say all right well let's just do it all or outright ban or just ban facebook completely in the country what what steps can they take or can they impose massive fines on facebook and say every time that you violate this law or this rule will create a whole series of before you and will try to bankrupt you in our country i mean there's this back and forth kind of tit for tat can get really really messy really fast and will be interesting to see where it goes well let me look at it from

a news for a 2nd i know you've got an active facebook page i have one as well mine's not monetized i don't know about yours there are these news companies are they getting some other benefit for having their news actually out there with their logo on it their identification rather than just you know a monetary instead monetary pushback or payback from facebook is there another benefit that they could be that facebook is a listen you're getting this from it so therefore we're even well i guess it just depends i mean if you're the new york times for instance new york times is a pretty interesting subscription model that's where most of their their revenue comes from now or from subscribers they've been very successful with developing that others though have not especially smaller companies have not been able to really establish much of a subscription model because people pay for too many subscriptions as it is right now right whether it's newspapers or it's video news or its entertainment we're paying for subscriptions all the time so that makes it very difficult but the other important point and this goes back to not just facebook but facebook and google is that when you talk about the online advertising market if you are a publisher that puts together

a newspaper and you have an online site there's no money flowing to you unless you're being promoted by google or you are on facebook and so that's where all the money flows to and that's why the australian government's got involved when that's the question is is it are about money or is about power or a little bit of both which i think it is but it is going to set a precedent i do believe based on how this turns out and how facebook approaches other countries other governments including obviously here at home and thank you so much for joining us thank you. well as we start off the show saying that they cancel culture is nothing new even though the term has become kind of popular it's been a popular catchphrase but like everything else it's become political with conservatives today claiming they are the main target however those on the left say keswick cancell culture gets started with you it's rooted in conservative miss you remember back to mom's for america protest over mildly and decent moments in television or music you know there was also the war on christmas boycotts rap music in the

ninety's punks and they've can't forget the dixie chicks who are still not making money mainly because of what they said so you have to wonder is this cancel culture a political weapon both sides are using when they can and see it as an opportunity to help us with the 360 view we're going to bring in our panel steve gruber host of the steve cooper show and be talking to her former georgia state representative and let me just 1st off starts off saying to both of you dee it's so good to see your face and i know that you just went through covert you had a very hard hard time with that we've prayed for your safety i'm glad to see you back on the show i'm glad you can join us say thank you thank you thank you for joining us. thank you thank you for shit on the person you definitely have them going for at this point i want to start with you though actually steve because you think it's fair to say that cancer culture is aimed at one political party and the president. you know certainly when you look at h.r. 484 that came out today that would prevent any president impeached twice but the

house of representatives cannot have the name of any building any official airports any port of entry all of that sort of thing that came out today cable even so it's direct it's clearly a donald trump to cancel it because it seems that democrats have this fatal attraction to donald trump and it's i'm going to get so close he's going to be in his kitchen mar-a lago boiling a rabbit at this continues the fact the betters they can't quit this guy they want to stop him at any point in the old adage is this just because you cannot a man's tongue it doesn't mean that you prove him a liar it means you're afraid of what he's going to say that's what's happening here and i think that what they're doing here yes to try to cancel one side of the conversation yes the elites in silicon valley and clearly doing that but what they're doing i believe is creating down from the martyr they're making donald trump in exile more powerful because they keep putting him in the news and people in america have a general sense of fairness and at some point the general sense of fairness feels violated i mean look it might be will turn out for him you know to support him just

coming back and president state people still like this present a certain section of the country is for sure still supporting him and every time they attack him every time they try to silence him and every time they go after conservatives it talked about him or try to smear campaign if you support him you're a white supremacist you're a white nationalist all of this nonsense but that people reject that and i get that i had a celebrity i would bring into this conversation talk about you know some things though do we not need to reject it do you think this is a catapult as more this mob mentality or maybe it's actually speaking truth to power to people saying you know what we're tired of this and we need to be eliminated from our society. yes and i think we just have to have balance there is so many people who get tired of the attacks on each other and sometimes we do use it's weaponized. i'm positive that there are times when people have done things that are very agree just and it deserves what so what is truth to the situation i

mean let's just be honest a lot of it's happening with president trump it's present because he's an option so it's not because people just after him as we did that the insurrection example of another that causes people to you know be very concerned so i think we can't mix apples and oranges in. the conversations but i have to ask you on that point though you were talking about actions we're talking about words a lot of the president trump that they were boycotting or trying to cancel for is because of words yeah we have actions i understand of somebody you know hurts a child pedophile is a duis those sorts of things those people need to be canceled and held accountable for their actions do you think at least on this point to something that we as americans can agree on that we need to cancel for action that we can all agree on is bad and not necessarily words that we still have freedom of speech here in this country. and that we have freedom of speech i don't think we should really want but nicely that that we have to take everything that is worth base own situation and so

you know really to be honest with you you know we're going to say you know what we're never heard me go boris' do have a d.m. and they can tell someone's character. and make it repairable or for years to come so we have to really reach out to preacher in this country and not just use worst of well not just because you know like ok and save i'm going to give you some tough love on this one because you know right now you are looking at things like my pillow you're looking at. the democrats are extremely organized when they're angry at something they're extremely organized they obviously have power within the corporations to boycott we're saying that over ever why don't the rabbit republicans give them a taste of their own medicine if they're so upset over the culture of cancer culture why can't they get organized and have the same effect for the opposite side for things that make them angry. they have never been as organized and as solidified the democrats are when they come at you with one group they have always

been better at the democrats have it organizing in such a way but i applaud the for saying sticks and stones will break my bones words will never hurt me let me explain this so it's very clear the 1st amendment the license constitution was not put there for happy talk it was there for things that make people uncomfortable that's the whole point of the 1st amendment i mean i remember in 1977 in skokie illinois a jewish community the united states supreme court gave the approval for nazis to march down the street that because anybody at skokie wanted to see nazis not because america endorses nazis we reject that but they have the right to express themselves on the 1st time the united states constitution my mother taught at an early age let more people talk because when people say really horrible things like that nazis did and do today we can reject that when we hear that we recently it's people we don't get to hear the ideas in totality therefore we don't get to find what we like to what we don't want to deal with or reject and the best way to do that is to allow more people to talk have a bigger conversation that women can choose what we like and we can reject what we

do now and it's interesting the i'll ever have a friend of my brother said yesterday i said you know listen they've changed the name from illegal immigration to undocumented workers at this point you know illegal immigration that put the focus on illegal immigration i mean the actually happening now people have kind of slipped it under because it's not such an infuriating a day i have to ask you know there's sometimes a kind of counterproductive when we become so politically correct that we forget about the s.-chip if we just make it mainstream and don't deal with the problem. and we do you know what i was doing here just listening and laughing and not really laughing but you know we've got to do a better job in this country i don't even know how he gets 00 erast how we've gotten so divided by this believe that we can come together at some point and reason together and things that make sense because right now we're not making a lot of it's not good for any of us including our children because they really are watching so we've got to do a better job of sitting down and i think we can all agree adults have failed over

the past year on some many as yet hopefully we'll learn our lesson then get out and maybe we all need to reset the timeout actually i think it's time we all get out of time out thank you so much for joining me day and state. thank you jennifer. for today's show follow me on twitter at scotty and here's use the hash tag team n.b.a. their show one more down on the part of the to be app for your app or android device where the right back here tomorrow thanks for watching. in the 1920 s. and thirty's several 100 african-americans moved to the soviet union and many of their descendants still live in russia. no no rush but us throw up our stuff. on things. like american suffered from racism and a complete lack of prospects. of the real.

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