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world will continue still think of visionaries me sophie shevardnadze now if you were offered a chance to be revived after a dime still needed for our future would you go for it may sound like far flash round themselves. but it needs to reality of the ground mix and i'm joined today by a glass moral philosopher a futurist and the current events in her impress. her life extension foundation. next more philosopher feature is to current passenger and president emerita social opera laugh extension foundation max it's really great tell us today welcome thank

you so good to be here all right so what topic look what amazes me and about career preservation is that it looks more like putting death on halt rather than simply freezing that body can you explain how it works. yeah that's actually good description the basic idea is i want to be analogy if you go back see 960 and you were walking around with some people or and suddenly the overt start reading not so beating back then we were substance that there's nothing we could do today because we jump on and do. a relation bursting some resuscitate them so what we said is almost dead but in 960 by today's standards then not so in our view when your body goes out on the dock dick says you need to read it that's not the same to be biology it really means that given today's technologies medical techniques we don't know what else to do for you so what we saw used some of the rest of us were going to protect themselves against cold we're going to remove the blood replace it with

essentially a medical grade and say freeze and then we come to some point across the street we don't stream we don't get but minus 320 fahrenheit minus one might be 6 ounces i thought so but you can wait literally been decades now so hopefully will one day develop a technology that can. revive you good condition to carol living. how much time to create office specialists have to completely all clear preservation procedures after the person is pronounced death. well there's no real set time what we do know is the sooner we do it the vessel to see the 1st stage is very important because the war you are the 1st see what is going to float up so the british want to cool people just like we do to hospitals right not to cold sober just surgeries straight people with gunshot wounds another angle brains that read a lot she cool you down and agrees that slows everything down for you 10 degrees c. drop in temperature everything slows down. so we're going to drop you don't not below freezing weather wait as quickly as possible using 6 sit waiting ice an ice

bath by restarting circulation respiration getting rest medications very quickly we want to bring you down close to music that can be done or about. the regulation declaration of the group best will write it up and get it out but send it receiving about city by minutes so we can go pretty fast and don't have to take time to get surgery to access the bus cruises don't remove as much water from the body as possible replacement discard taken solution medical grade antifreeze if you like and that's a few hours and slow down a little bit more once you get that minus 90 so really there isn't a limit but we know that if we don't reach you within instant that cool you were then about 16 to 24 hours the blood brain barrier breaks down and up democratic take the brain which is not good because going won't last that. threats of this procedure that's called vertical cation right wing blood and money quince are replaced with some sort of antifreeze which prevents eyes from damaging cells when

the day arrives to actually bring the day korea preserve person back to life where these actually freeze their plays with blood anyway you know most likely going to something much most days. this is not so do what they will have to do that we do it today actually incident surgeries and something experiments you can remove all the blood from somebody replace it with a sending based solution and i'm done but i didn't like it was a lot of research going on i'm not going to write not a. lot of books and how can you possibly take the one below freezing and bring it back to mike point out what you go of leads or people want your answer day who are preserved they were just embryos and with time and of course you're also the president corneas hot skin cells many of the tissue so the promise not to be caught reverses in principle is that we're the logical brain and a whole body is very well it's not practical today to reverse that because of the speed you need to really want it doesn't need to be forever impossible and it was not going to bring someone back in so we can fix the aging problems too because not

bring you back is 90 year old just how people argue about it again so it's going to be a long time so all these problems and aging problem and of course it may not happen we're not going to seeing this investment we're just better also as we think. oh right so that in the satire right that i've read the people who were mixed in the main quest into creator chamber is to wake up centuries after not that people there do we have a technological and maybe even legal way to freeze people who just blindly right now not people who are that we're no not really because the procedure we use we have to stop the has no be considered offsite so no we cannot do that the closest you can do there are certain jurisdictions and not in states plus encounter other countries let's let's not worry about someone at all which basically means you have to you don't is agreeing to not know what in 6 months and it's going to 6 months you can choose one to go yet with minister b. . stop your heart so that's actually very useful trust me i've done

a couple of cases like that where we can actually schedule the car reservation procedure rather than rushing across the country across the state to get to the web site we can actually be there ready with our equipment i'm the person says i'm going to go next wednesday but what can you be there where we can stop immediately are doctors the current people that so that's the closest you can come to but what . so crayon it's as i understand it is built on the idea that in that future generations film figure out how to revive living organisms after death something that is so fractal and impossible so what i think you know make it happen and what research exists out in the science of today that builds up those great expectations well just no it's not really the death i have to quote but it's up to recall this because in fact you know almost everything it's the life you think about and there are people who are legally dead who donate their organs you may think the among their kidneys and those are still alive and you can be gives other people so i want to qualify if you're really that you know you're not going to come back the true

meaning but yes your question is not reminded opens wide as the research you know things already mentioned. embryos and universal the tissues and reversing that we can do better how does a single tissue types there which is much easier well in preseason or organism so sorry i don't question the boundaries there's also some successful researcher research partners who actually license that part rejections lout not being able to take a rabbit kidney which is now quite a large mass criers of us holding their throat for months we implanted in the rabbits and it functions so bessel right promising and there's a lot of research now underway to enable reversible preservation of human organs because you can imagine right now if you need a hospital alone it's very hard to get one when it's issued much of the flight across the country on ice and you may not make it inside and tens of thousands of people die every year because they can't get norton what is your cry result welcomes in last little dramatic as needed so that's the goal and i think report events fireworks and use of don't do that so that's

a pretty good evidence we also have other kinds of evidence. and using doing c.t. scans about patients brains with mushrooms something i don't feel that we could really tell how well we krycek and so now we can actually look at the scans and we can see how much i said many there isn't and is a white right in some cases it looks fantastic and it's not. good and young you know how long this way was because of the. girls other kinds of studies you can do electron microscope studies that look no more and we can see an incident studies that the neurons to be connections between cells aren't but entirely good place at least and so what we know is that we preserve the structure of the brain that's that's where you know that's where your your mind is your memories are so really it's just a matter of how to be reversed that future and that really now it will set us back was it because it's in the future we think probably some kind of no medical device is not a robotic device is going to the cells we as a matter what this little bit like the petals just like we have it will you not trees of these big programs and there was

a cure at the damage. so we were going to bring you back. ok so the whole idea of bringing someone to life after decades or hundreds of years of creating preservation can really work out in the end only the brain remains and dashed and i mean that touches so many are scientists and they all tell me that you have to spy on the side to be investments they still have no her d.n.a. how our brain actually functions i mean how it functions exactly do we have how brain tissues behave if it's stored at the measurer temperature of $196.00 degrees below 0 or $300.00 degrees below 0. yes we do what we know has nothing happening temperature it's so cold that you go through a phase transition where you become a consultant dom and minus 110 degree something like that and so there is actually in 0 metabolic rates and we know for sure that you will see in the movie not ice

which longers says he's missed the dreams that doesn't happen in reality it is notable that gets a d. no brain activity. so gets us through duration calls it raise their own dislodging molecules occasionally there's really nothing happening so we know that's the case and again with these scans of the studies we can see we can look at the branches sure we can get biopsies that actually see it but structure intact so i think part of the near side is you talking to are exaggerating being little modest because we do know a lot about the brain but what we know is that we know that everything is up short some memories maybe last 20 minutes or so well stored physical changes in the brain and we know from these electronic newsgroup studies that we opposite going along to get conditions so it's just like i'm about not general anesthesia not remember the last 15 or 20 minutes but so long as we presume you're well enough and we have their pets lives you should have everything else the one time it was a big and most likely in reality it was going to be some damage many people and some loss and that's just about you has to do with. ok so let's presume the

technology is there right to wake you up after these korea's lee they are 100 years have you thought about what movie like to wake up to a completely different war of initially have yeah yeah a lot of this you know different levels that we're shooting think about we've actually very recently formed a group which focuses on exactly that question on the other end of the process because it's a long way off but it's important to think about now because frankly the thing that scares people most about this is that it might work and they say well i might come back in a future this radically different how my school sri don't know anybody so we have a group and so she addressing those issues very specifically having said remembrance of you presume your action ships is going to take care of you on the other end this part out was mission by the way to actually help to rehabilitate people coming out of coma after a long time you've got just written about the don't you going to get them some help us not swallow on the outside i think on the other hand. something about futurism you just focus the methods of study history and my view is that now the general

questions we have no idea what will be like because we can't walk us that far and it's not possible but we can see general trends you can look back at human history and i know it's not hard to believe that the statement was complaining about how bad things are but this is the best time ever in human history we live longer with syria you have more opportunities than ever and i think we'll see this trend over time with things do get better now we have these ups and downs occasionally but you can't really think the time in the past way you want to look if you really stick about the way the world's was when we didn't happen it's the easier one to her and sepsis when women couldn't vote when one of your was slaves when we'd be double relentlessly random processes pretty awful place so by extension unless we get really messed things up i would think that the future if we come back should be a pretty decent place it's not going to be jovial but it is a place where probably enjoy starting again and it does take the sense of the bench no doubt about it mark you will not want to do that students that short and more because they just don't have that much of something to mention so it's not so people to people who are not worried about having to restart things people change

countries or make cultural shifts like this. would you be ready to do right now if the technology was in place. i know you want to do it unless i have to do it because you're sitting about a leak we must control why does the news not great being that i want to control witness that me so it's it's a last resort areas or even the thing else is possible i'm hoping desperately that life extension science will go an os that is running out rules on a console now maybe just maybe never know for years i might start dreaming up time so i won't need to because it was getting caught up nationalistic peace agreements or because there will need to be curbs are there no i don't want to do it it's just that i would rather not be buried in the ground was generated so this is my back but what should matter then take a short break right now while we're back we'll continue trying to max more philosopher a futurist current a master and present other areas of our current life extension foundation talking about is it possible to freeze ourselves and then come back to life stay with us.

imagine picking up a future textbook on the early years of the 21st century what are the chapters called gun violence school shootings homelessness 1st it was my job it was my there really was my savings i have nothing i have nothing that is not. aloof or resources i look for jobs i look for everything i can to make this house. in the doing it's. the road to the american dream paved with good refugees it's this idea. of all. americans look pasta the deaths that happen every single day this is

a history of the usa america. the british and american governments have often been accused of destroying lives in their own interest what you see in this these techniques is the state devising methods to him to essentially destroy the personality of an individual. by

scientific. this is how one doctor's theories were allegedly used in psychological warfare against prisoners deemed a danger to the state that was the foundation for the method of psychological interrogation psychological torture of the cia disseminated from within the u.s. intelligence community and worldwide among our allies for the next 30 years and how the victims say they still live with the consequences today. and we're back with max moore philosopher a futurist current ambassador and president of the writers of our life extension foundation so max we'll talk about the time for a minute you say bring in the person back to life after

a career preservation is not a matter of physics but technology right at that will print one day will be please i heard some scientists say this may take hundreds and even thou thousands of years what time frame do you have in mind. i'm always very cautious in how i answer that because you know there are some people like to say well it's 30 years we'll have superintelligence a lot in 30 years who have this i don't know i think it's like asking someone in 1900 when we land on the moon i would ask that you know it's possible because it doesn't but it was 6 but he has to do at the last minute systems of the engines of the beaters which didn't exist so it's you know if i'm pressed i'll say i'm guessing it's partly you want proof you about for some other team so if you fire 125 units and i says at this close i'm going to get 2 big concerns that we brought us and i could be well off well the decimal point is so far bringing people back to life from death frozen state isn't something that science knows how to do and nobody who was signing up today as well is nobody who is doing the freezing will

naturally lead to the day when science figures it out which is already a big if right so they're thinking nobody really child competes here whereas i guarantee al core will even exist 10 years down the road in that all the frozen up bodies one just disappears 'd and where well that's a good question actually just specializing into particle not round magazine but you know it's what kind of organizations will produce more and outdoors malls you know it was very good at the designs last right on time going around so it was 49 years at this point we have certain structures in place you know nonprofit structure which tends to last longer needs more progress actions we have several different goals that now we have one board of directors that just looks up to the money that's used to pay people to be crimes and stay quiet reserved and eventually be revived so middle or levels of protection when you know don't like a lot of details on that and you know we we know people who are not legal know us that will be a direct incentive to bring people back because they want to bring back you know

the chamber co-founder who's working with one out she has been his partners or the others for president so spot aspirants and so there's a pride about the small stakes but some people actually set up trusts you can get one cent. you know it's more it's possible to revive me you can have that's the sound of distrust which is use no goodness money when we come back so this kind of wonderful ways that we've got some of the books that. here's another thing that's ballerina obviously not everyone can afford the procedure right because so far for now this is something that is only open to affluent people what makes you think they want to say this way that it one becomes sort of like i am not only preserving the barrier of sorts. well honestly ashland bestir depending on how you define it it's when i sign up for cracks and there's a report grad student. this woman has a form but most people in western societies put it that way mostly because if you

were just kind as a chunk of cash $8000.00 for something the brain it's a wonder doesn't it all for you must be his life insurance policies and it's not a very large lump insurance policy so if you have you know that reasonable income you can do that but yes not cheap there are possible ways of making it less expensive as time goes on if you have economies of scale one of the directors. wrote a piece about preserving everyone now he results your vote for sarah soon industrialism was rich in his massive tax and you can imagine having tree of all people in a good center would be looking for that duty or costs they're always doing that so hopefully we could reduce the cost but this now it will cost in. what we call a standby and a transfer getting your team to the best. that can be expensive to get on with the surgery knowing specific that didn't cost of course the upkeep which regression reducing the cost a bit so it's not never going to be super cheap i don't think so we're not machines that make everything for us and we get that lucky but it's not it's not as

expensive as people saying ok in that case if it's affordable for everyone. and if at some point like when cell phones for instance freezing yourself can be revived in the future will become commonplace once humanity is stack at some point with like a whole lot of frozen assets or is waiting to verify that we will be asked things for us and our children but also our dad. yeah i think though it lands you space. wondering about it and don't realize it's still strong in the publishing world is a problem actually it now is your mother russia polish not growing it's not growing anywhere in europe it's still growing in one of western european countries so i don't think we'll have 40 percent walls but lucian's and our stopping growing will start to shrink so it was the 1960 route it was the peak for willacy but since then going down and down and down and even the un which is consistently over us that we

get population growth you can you want to project things midrange that sometimes ring the sentry go up which will stop growing many question re shrinking by the cost of trying to shrink in quite quite drastically now so the problem the future of the population problem which is actually how to deal with an economically so i don't think there's any lack of room though because your room energy gets more abundant which it does i think what we want to do that's so i'm not really worried about that as you. know there. is no sound like a very appealing idea especially if there's an ass face for all of us and a future i also looking at death as something reversible and i who send their own well why so many fall for it they don't have to hand isn't dying part of the way things are this planet i mean this circle of life are boring to leave we down the end a living creatures have their leg blast. you know why should we accept that just because

something as being that way strong time doesn't going to accept it mean that's slavery was considered a natural wrong so i'm very much of a society that it doesn't need us and syria good thing right we died a lot younger in the past is it natural to defeat zs or cancer or whatever and set it so young you know but. so is this nature of human beings to change richard so i think you know to see it best i think is what has lost paris and isn't this going to make people uneasy but really why should we why should we be fall. just because nature resizing a. thing in your brain why don't we get to choose that the goal isn't to live forever and sorry we don't see an all around eternity because that's not for you disagree boss of what is really saying that you should get to choose how long rather than it being an accident of nature that's what you meant maybe 750 years sort of years don't you want to do you had enough but i think i'd be less pretty your choice and the choice you know i'm stupid. you know this whole korea thing is

basically our friend religion offers ray the promise of an afterlife now because no prosecutor in the judge's religion bill is there and the hope is there even thinking i hope you know that there is no death plague that there is something after death either i come back when there is late is a charity and it's not like i go x. finished a religion does the same thing like you you're saying well it's your body is dead there is something afterwards so don't wear it and just let us make a difference there's a big difference if those of us know how many people signing up as well as religion so billions of people because they want certainty and we don't waste outside the british probably going to guarantee this will work it spends a lot of things in general i don't particular case that people don't like but likable incidents like black uncertainty religions on a certain view would definitely go to no more help we don't all other it's you know we don't go and see what will be like not going to be birds of some kind of him but so it really isn't much of what but it requires

a good understanding of science and technology behind it was like a religion and we made it like a religion we wanted to be a lot more successful as it was an industry an organization because we don't believe in doing it but we that would be unethical but you know with all respect i mean religions have existed for centuries you just starting you know to actually operate and you're saying you know i mean in the future sometime it's just a question of time we will have the answer of how to you know come back to the throne out so that it's sterile you know to me sounds like. a religion where your promise is based on faith because you know people will freeze them solid those who choose to are believing that they will come back he does you know it's not it's going to do a favor to me i don't like the word space because i'm not i'm not religious on a rationalist there is a difference when you go somewhere and say don't be so can we call him mom in one day was a matter of taste i don't think so it's a matter of knowing does this excess you know if you just up it. for all you so hot

not to get out the atmosphere we know how out of it it's going to go wrong it's that big right now life support systems but in principle it should be process work and it was britain's former royal 59 who said that space travel wasn't possible well he looked beautiful 10 years later we landed on the moon creational better because it's a matter of engineering science so you know i felt it wasn't it was states it would be a drop in certainties but we do the opposite so we designed the treated that way because their relations operated at question and so to go as we possibly question also you're right jason also across realizing how to see just how we can do better looking at the research is going on so no i wouldn't make that comparison was all right max. for his really interesting chat between great talking to you good luck with everything you are serving me out we need to do this a couple of years and you have seen you have tapes for me he know we're doing a lot of research right now so we're going to be using so to have

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