americans do just want to live their lives and not have to deal with politics and just go about with having their families and being having a constitutional republic and that's about it and there's a there's a lot of tension amongst those 3 wings of the political spectrum now will we may lose the constitutional republic and that's what really worries me here let me ask you because the let's really significant about the whole trump event in the republican party is that he ran as a populist and in my opinion for my taste he didn't really run much as a as a populist he was much more like a jeb bush like president that's a criticism that i have but there's no doubt that the the populous part of the party has made itself known and we've seen this all across public opinion polls there is a schism with the leadership and a good part of the base your assessment. well appear coming from the background of having done a lot of candidate recruitment for republican women particularly and in general looking to bring more new people into the republican party people who are new

americans so kids of immigrants like myself as well as people under 40 women and people from different racial and ethnic backgrounds are really showing to that the values of the party fiscal conservatism largely are is for them and there are the values of the future as well so so this is a tough question for me because it would be said that that tension has always been healthy in my opinion but in the past 45 years when i've seen something kind of odd happened in say it was there seemed to be an acceleration of that cult of personality and the embrace of that there was always kind of there you know a great figure pops up on the scene and everybody's excited and once you get behind this person everything they're saying is sort of on point and maybe this is a person that can expand the tent or you know bring those people i just spoke about into the party to be with our values i think now where we live with this is new kind of populism and to me this isn't exactly

a bad thing because what i want is candidates coming in and figuring out that policy is for it that america is for them and democracy needs and so they have to enter into the public sphere however they are and that's one thing that trump showed everyone is a you don't have to be this one particular thing of course we're going to see this whole crop of candidates rise and say i'm a business person i don't need outside money just come with me but then i think also there is a candidate somewhere in the middle those who just want to shake their fist at this guy and as well the nebulous elite that has always been sort of perceived to control the republican party i'm going to agree with you on the nebulous elite and . you know because yeah i mean this is really the key here because a pop the populist wing has made it so. no and and i think it's very clear and they and they want to say ok and but when is absolutely right there are people that just like trump but there are a lot of people that liked

a lot of his ideas even if they didn't really play out very well during his administration go ahead yeah look i mean as a record and i liken this to the goldwater and people my smile and shake their head go at it and when i mean but go water had 26000000 voters or a lot of people that went around with a button afterwards said the 26000000 club i'm a member of the 74000000 club 74000000 americans voted for this guy donald trump and they didn't vote as you point out for all of his policies in office they voted for a personality who was fighting on their side who believed that we could be america 1st we don't have to cater and world wars all over the world we don't have to be enemies to russia we don't have we do have to be enemies to china who is eating our lunch and killing our kids we can stand up and fight he i tell people he was like the captain of team america if you are an american on the team you loved it you lost a job some things you felt like he was fighting if you weren't on team america you looked a little askance and you know him from mirka merkel to you know to to kim jong il

you look a little funny here's the problem for the people that are talking about the establishment versus the report the base or public and it's trump republican party the people that are left like liz cheney and others that want to talk about the past they're the minority there's 20 percent 26 percent i say 74 percent is trump 26 on the other if they don't like it they have money and office but they can leave because they're never going to win a primary for president i'm sorry the idea that we're going to have my you know going to win a moderates i'm going to win moderate users are conservative by the way right wing or it's going to be a populist blend for talk of for president and and frankly good riddance to the people that want to go back to a quick protest dominated republican party week that failed us and we need to move past that and we need to move past it emphatically ok when you're. you know the purpose and your description is perfect but ted well that happened i mean there we still have the connell's out there and liz cheney which i just i can't believe that

she has still a major voice in the republican party after all of this again you know these are the things that really disappoint me about the republicans ok and of easily those that promote these endless wars ok it's like lindsey graham when he was on hannity a couple days ago hit the ball out of the park but then when it comes to foreign wars that's why i say i can't be a member of the republican party it's still the tension there ted can that tension be resolved because how do you have 7475000000 people and mcconnell in the same party go ahead well that you opened up a huge pandora's box of questions there i think liz cheney is not a significant player in the republican party if you listed a number 3 i mean i live in i live in colorado just south of wyoming every county in the state of wyoming every republican party in every county in the state of wyoming passed a resolution condemning her i'm pretty confident that she will not be returning

after the 2022 election so she is not a significant player in the republican party but you keep going back to the president ran on all these populist things but he didn't do it and i just have to argue with that get you look at what he did on the southern border he stopped illegal immigration brought it to a trickle and that's with having a democrat house and a democrat senate for most of his administration and you look at what he did on foreign policy is the only president in my lifetime never to engage our forces in a new foreign war that's what we elected him today we're in we elected him to cut taxes and he cut taxes more than any president my lifetime if you look the picture over here ronald reagan over here i stuck my political star in the reagan white house and i still would argue donald trump is the best president of my lifetime because of what he did on the judges and fighting for pro-life issues. and putting pro-life judges in place that's the reason why i backed the president and i think all this all i present there celebrate his president all fair points but let me go

to reno what i'm getting at is that in the last 6 months 7 months of his president i was very disappointed that he didn't take charge on a stimulus package for working people for the middle class and he didn't do that there was such an amazing open forum there that lane nobody embraced it everybody stayed away from him he should have done that and i think we would be saying president trump right now if he had ok i think he put is he going to need a missile connel i think you put a spade the military is going to have its will climb cannot lead to hang on please please consider me no i want equal time for everyone go yet you and i i'm hearing all this and i'm shaking my head yes because there's so much we can agree on versus what we can disagree on and it's a fact that for one year we've been living in this in this new reality which i mean i can say if you double i really. it's going to wreak havoc on the lives and i think just the basic simple average american families who have to find

a new way to move forward after this great distress nobody in washington was there to bail anybody out there to bail out big old bailed out the rich people happy doing out there or break but it's ok i would not go hill when that when that those bailouts happened and is a real fiscal conservative i mean i don't think anybody's too big to fail and this is the problem is that we've had leaders in washington like mcconnell in mccarthy talk out of both sides of their mouth because they want to have it both ways i personally supported lynne cheney but i'm hearing my my colleagues here and i and i get it i traveled this country and had the great pleasure of trial in this country as an operative and hearing from average republican voters who are not bad people i myself was the image opposed to the president trial did not find him to be a real republican when he entered that stage but here's the thing i never once vilified a trial because you. just don't get anywhere doing that there's no point in doing it we have so much that we can solve as a society if our leaders in washington and actually passed these packages for us

actually pass through at least for the average american day we wouldn't have had the. women from the workforce in which we had in december 100 percent of exits from the job reports were american women that really concerns me as a young moderates and the other 40 because those are my peers and said this is this is the problem we need republicans to stand up and seize the moment we need to push back on this whole let's make the government bigger let's make the government solve our problems because we're going to see that from democrats over and over you me haven't resolved the problem here ed let me go to you because we republican party is a big tent but within the 10 there's a lot of tension here and we keep going back to visit issue because you know you know i think a lot of of the republican base the trump base would have liked to see more stimulus happen to main street all in the middle small and medium sized businesses which you know by the time these clowns now get around to admit it's over for so

many people here and so that's still the tension there you know fiscal conservatism is fine ideologically but then politics is about action and doing stuff for people ok and we have that right mix right now because it looks to me the democrats are going to bail out democrats with their problems going all the way back to the 1960 s. . well look i quit time of the republican party right now i do think that this is a sort of growing pains right for for the 1st time in my lifetime we have a party that is really antiwar emphatically right anti at least and and then for the 1st time we have a party that's talking about working class issues if not enacting them i take your point but but to our ted's point we didn't have a party i was on the our and see if after the 2012 election the autopsy said. be nice to hispanic speak in spanish be nice to gay people and you'll win and i thought no the issue across the heartland is immigration and issue across the

heartland still is immigration by the way an issue across the heartland is still the root of the 776 commission there's a lot of people that feel that culturally america is sliding not blaming one group that when they want to hold that point we're going to go to a short break and after that show continue our discussion on the future of the g.o.p. state party. imagine picking up a future textbook on the early years of the 21st century what are the chapters called gun violence school shootings homelessness 1st it was my job it was my. savings i have nothing i have nothing that is not. aloof or resources i look for jobs i look for everything i can to make this house. in oil of

doing is. the road to the american dream paved with good refute. this very idea. i want. americans to look pastas the debts that happen every single day this is a history of the usa america. it's

been decades since the fall of spain's fascist regime but old wounds still haven't . come up until i was working in the us. because when the filming. mikkel freedom of the bottom is a bubble sort of putting me on the bus at the system you know to the dentist and i think ultimately. thousands of newborn babies were torn from their mothers and given away and forced adoption i don't know that he bought about a he was the 5th a bit of i don't know about us a fellow mentor to this day mothers still search for grown children while adults look in hope for the parents. well that's across town where all things are considered i'm peter lavelle reminder we're discussing the fate of the g.o.p. .

ok let's go back to what we want you to be able to finish your point that you know well very briefly to a rena said earlier i mean people are going to rise up to lead meaning the national figures other than donald trump and i just return to my old mentor the late phyllis schlafly she talked about give us a choice not an echo we got a lot of echoes of the past we're seeing some of them come back around where they'll try again that the choice trump gave was a dramatic shift and i think the republican party to succeed is going to need to continue in that vein i gree on some of the policy fights but i but and by the way one less thing we've always been a party for example the pro-life plank has been solidly in place but there's always been pro-choice republicans in other words as long as you want to buy into this tent you know you were comfortable with that we don't judge them on the other hand if you're saying you have to expel the trump movement then we're same way we're the actual larger part of the republican party but it's going to be

a to mulch us couple years. as any party that leaves the white house finds is my my sense well you know conservatives are pretty unity ok fair about this nonsense of diversity unity will bring us together all of us together here ted i want to go back to a sore point that i've mentioned i want to continue with you is the g.o.p. now or if it wants to be the party of working people because i think we're headed to rubicon we have to decide one way or another going into 2022 go ahead. well i think the conservative side of the republican party has always been for the working man they have always been for free markets they've always been for the consumer they've always been for the taxpayer it's more of the establishment side of the republican party the money side of the republican party that is controlled the party for the last 40 years i think what you have seen with the tea party movement and what you've seen with trumps election in 2016 is you've seen the

conservative side the small business patriotic god very. pro free market side of the party rising up and taking over the party and that's why you've seen. conservatives win primaries all across the country in races for the u.s. senate whether it was ted cruz or mike lee or rand paul they were they want primaries in republican primaries as a conservative free market thinker and i think that that is what is happening in the republican party is we're throwing out those corporatist as ed said and the corporatists using their gnashing of teeth right now on the floor of the senate mitch mcconnell but the corporatism best by definition of the money ok you've always started our reporting we were talking about the the cost of entry to get into a primary ok you have to have a whole lot of money and what we know and i'm not i'm not absolutely convinced that

the average trump supporter is thinking about free markets and and low taxes and i'm sorry i think people are thinking about other things that the government may be able to do for them like a higher quality of education and things like this here i am i am not ideological i am actually a populism i want people to succeed and people who are the answer it's not money money has been the problem for the last 5060 years you throw money at something that doesn't help it actually makes. worse people are not me why i stayed in today's republican party and number one it's because i made my career here and not because somebody told me to or not because my parents were republicans not at all and i've talked often on this show about holy parents follow the letter of the law where legal immigrants here are highly skilled workers and we take great pride in that and so we are offended by illegal immigration and people wanting to skip the line they also do you think there are there are

a humane ways compassionate ways 'd to take care of people who need a place to go there are refugees or people seeking asylum and we we have a responsibility to do right by them because of what's instructed our constitution have been great but mean it to be fair to be fair if you look at immigration policies all around the world right governments decide legislatures voters decide what country we want highly skilled people that can add to the economy most countries in the world do that and in this day and age of super super competitive environments for the economy i mean i have no problem with being picky here ok i mean considering considering the god awful situation with their educating well 1st of all they're not educating all the young kids now at all they're all locked down losing so much time you know it in my heart you start falling behind you may never be able to catch up ok let's go to peter and i don't want to make

this all about immigration because i know we have so many other issues we can talk about how but you know sort of coming from a tech background and engineering background was a you know just erecting a physical border i didn't think with the best option we have so many great cyber options nowadays to do you to do right with with this immigration system and how to keep people who are bad actors in that we don't want them coming over and i know that's going down the rabbit hole for a 2nd but there are the facts here and the vast majority of illegal immigrants end up staying in the united states by. overstaying their visas so we need comprehensive immigration reform done really in a proper being and i don't think we've had members of congress person conversation on ok peter peter can i answer one of the earlier questions a tad real quickly let me tell you about let me tell you what a serious republican party that is about the working people would do one is radically transform our immigration system as you point out our immigration system

is dictated by the cartels and zuckerberg and his pals not by what we need for our people like i had checked and the idea that indian citizens need to come here i'd like to see the proof of it and get paid less than americans and be on the visas that keep them as indentured servants like they are. rights they plan changed jobs and exactly is like so so so let's be put in their car and empower the workers by saying we want to immigration system that's radically for our people number 2 you mentioned that we have to stand up and i in missouri where i'm from we got beaten on our school choice effort by the republicans in the rural counties who said the superintendents a most powerful guy in my town i'm not going to cross and radical for families forget the rich people and forget the middle class poor people are screwed by our american education system untether the system from the public schools give those kids money half of them screw up because the schools are shut or but heaven will

get out of hell that's number 2 and republicans should be fearlessly for that here's another one we should stand up to the communist regime and when we do we should fund with our tax dollars instead of tax cuts for wall street and all this crap fund workers give them money i don't get what doesn't sound republican but it sounds like 21st century america and implement but i give them money so they can function for a while and see what we get because here's the thing. everybody in america under about 60 grand knows the system is rigged against them and every day they wake up and say my kids are so screwed and i'm going to sit here and say well and there's trump say and mitch you got a bad what he say got a bad you know grumpy or whatever and they look one guy seems to be on my side and as you guys know half the time he didn't deliver but the most of the time they know as i said that's what a populous republican party would look like everything else is was slim past the

graveyard lessingham say as big tech and big media are now using big government to stomp on we the people and the republicans like mitch are like yeah we'll do really well and when the senate come on we're in trouble with the size and power of what's happening to us why i think that's the opening salvo if you're not spend 20 more presidential candidates there's a good ok if i have the copyright to it so you go me up to the program sounds good ok ted i want to ask you is it the remaining time we have here what is trump's role in the party and i'm thinking about 20222024 i want to ask you all the same thing what's his role in the party what are the pluses what are the minuses ted 1st well what i hope he does is that he puts together a a media company that will compete with facebook compete with twitter and compete with the cable news networks and i think if he started up

a twitter company it would make twitter go out of business 80000000 people in this country in the world went over to follow his twitter account on his twitter company twitter would cease to exist and i think the same thing would happen with facebook and i think he would be much more powerful on the outside than he would be at running for president of the united states but having said that he has the a huge stick that he can go after a lot of these establishment republicans and take them out of office in the next 2 to 4 years. that will transform the party from being part of this corporatist political entity to being an entity that actually is sticking up for the workers and the consumers in america rather than sticking up for big business ok now we're going to get a dissenting opinion rina. name you know that that's what we're all about freedom of speech and respect other people's opinions ok i don't always do it on my

program and you're always welcome here but in your mind if i could you know surmise is that you think would be better for the republican party of donald trump were to sup aside go ahead what i mean he's already gone * i think the events of january 6th to me were very clear that we can't have somebody who's so unpredictable 'd and who's done these kind of actions to me that was clear incitement of violence and i just think he sees how he spoke and that appealed to a lot of people in the beginning because it was the plane that we so badly in crave for so long especially in that the era of obama you know we were getting these oratorical sort of magnificus the speeches that were just out and didn't do anything in my opinion for for anybody that really was even had 10 minutes to spare so what charlie did in the beginning i think it just it went to direction that i don't even think he predicted it and so i'm glad he's no longer part of a really national conversation right now i mean yes he really.

i got i didn't really. know how do you know right now all the immediate treats joe biden everyone is just thirsting to know what donald trump things because not. only be totally embarrass themselves with their media since january i mean or in syria agree but this is a perfect time to start having a conversation about what we the people want now i'm not i'm excited because we can get back at it so you know what i have to ask you i got 30 seconds and i wanted to finish the. drub in the future 30 seconds go there's never been in our history a more dominant political personality he will be the dominant player for that as long as he's alive and the downside of that is depending on what he's doing he'll be the dominant player on the on the political scene and some of and some good people will be out in the shadows so i don't think there's any doubt the media loves him they make money off of them oh he has come and he's coming back and he'll be the dominant character whatever he wants to do directionally will be the

dominant political movement in the country and i don't think there's any doubting that and we'll see what that means yeah he's living in their brains rent free god all right i want to thank my guests in washington denver and in washington i want to thank our viewers for watching us here argue see you next time remember. there's human beings to change nature so i think you know the rules are best i think is what is lost there is that there's going to make people uneasy but really why should you force a boy time just because nature. or something in your brain what are we going to choose that. in the 1920 s. and thirty's several 100 african-americans moved to the soviet union and many of their

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