because going to center the publication came from the economist about you know showing the fact that if rich up on trees are not hard impact and they are billable boxes now if you don't everybody so it's not a question of which i'm not africa for instance let me stick to africa. not consistently be activist even and not wear your don't ask me to your people that you think about africa it was i think that i've got some duties from the the johnson and johnson back then it was celebrate that the presence of us in this one i was just a few $1000.00 for a country of you know almost $60000000.00 people or more well as i say the rich countries say they're doing what they can and actually here in britain we are getting information that there is a vaccine kind of cold war shiner and rush era using coronavirus for their evil geopolitical intent it has to be said nigeria has emphasized the astra

zeneca vaccine do you think more than the sputnik 5 and they sign a form chinese one yet and i think that has and i think partly because you know the coaches situation or what astra zeneca you know is something that. we're already have big on our united nations system and. i think if you if you if you look back you see that before the russians back then was that that for instance in the u.k. but also have results that you know everybody could look at and the russian one hasn't been tested here actually we're not really hearing much about sputnik 5 in britain. so so it's understandable why the nigerian government says you know. it's kind of going outside after that it got back in because our system here would be able to. ship that box and that particular brand in the right culture. or you know off the top for distribution but

i think again if we look at it. and the sounds of equity and shortened that we have been of dubious to back this up people i don't think we should be through the night just point in time as far as the particular vaccine has been shown to be efficient and safe nigeria's science minister dr r. gornja on you has in the past few days been saying that they're going to cooperate not only. with the bowler because i think there has been cooperation with the border with the cuban government but they will be working with the cuban government on covina how do politics affect the coronavirus vaccine distribution. boxing's you know for me everything because. i'm not privy to the kind of discussions that happened happen at the president. and i don't know who's been with. the group or they don't hope for that but if there's anything we've learned from this particular responding to one thing as from last year remember this is not the

1st time that what punishments are forbidden in our commodities you know. what it is. but not processing equipment. not good mother past time and i think often basically african countries are like improbable you know how do we what do we do when it's all that we get what our people need and also to meet our own political aspirations our independent mission to which of course some rich countries will say nigeria is rich in resources why doesn't it have its own homegrown vaccination program and i understand you have something called diu sin vax but the funding what is the biotech industry in nigeria a country so much more populous so much richer in resources than britain why can't you make your own vaccines i mean that really i mean that i think that for me or

the life force that's where the point i was going to be recently where actually express my anger not just that nigeria but africa nation because. but governments over the years have actually brought us here and you know what i can. if we had you know good governance over the years thank you has given the police our well to be manufacturing our back to what that other point in time so i did that the particular business all find ourselves you have to depend on what time is and what the question is what is the government in one what are african leaders doing to prepare for the next pandemic how are they preparing for a job are by the time we have the next fund then we will be will have the capacity to manage part of our. well to be fair to the nigerian government they funded a chair r.d.s. health care sector research and development. scheme to fund research and development which has come under some criticism i think the budget for research is

$1300000.00 a vaccine compare the $200.00 to $500000000.00 it cost to get a vaccine on the world market so are you optimistic now now not just about the idea that we're just not making a difference. but to me if i look at health in arson in nigeria i'm much more interested because if you look at it took who has expenditure in nigeria about 7.777 percent of that amount which amongst about $7700000000.00 out of pocket expenditure just about $1.00 is going to not do not support $1200000000.00 it's about government support so that you know i didn't need to get to this issue where we're able to channel those huge part of pocket expenditure and well into the initial i help it sharansky that it's quite responsive that has the size and development of part of it and hopefully the country or investors. to begin to put

money into the space the government got the amount that the government has budgeted definitely we're not making a dent as far back as well nigeria is not alone many countries that arguably have military political alliances with the united states are indebted to the washington international monetary fund so there's only so much money to go go around what do you think will be the pressures to further privatized that scene research and maybe distribution of covert vaccines as we go through this pandemic the progress that the live a very important bank yeah. session image what lesson we've learned from could be one thing is how the private sector and then you know i really do. around. africa we just might all buy all the privates the puppy asked him to get our arms privates that book while listening to a couple before so i didn't need ryssdal but $80000000.00 within one year to

support the restaurant and then you know so to me that's an image or lesson because the question tonight is how would government good for the project. what lessons can we take away from kobe so that we can use that to. epidemic preparedness for the future but also you know slashdot the private sector company a very important role in you know getting the back with using the or refocus on the or network on logic because you distribute the vaccine for the private sector has a very proud. africa and i'll go think that africans we need to come to the point where we're well was on the stand that if we're forgetting something for free it does not mean somebody stop paying for it and. start public private partnerships like prokofiev in nigeria you know i think it's probably your way to go in the future in preparing them or wanted to fund them because the debate here ugly in

richer nations is the private sector is interested always in profit and in fact the british economy is kind of in soviet the state is playing a much bigger role in society and paying people's wages and there are some calls to nationalize the big pharma companies since after all the big pharma companies get their research from publicly funded universities and and then reap the rewards in some cases not all big pharma covered vaccines reaps massive profit i mean i think just you know. you know. like that are. those privates that i don't think the best because you know that comment you know chris we are doing all you know based on science you know i mean what the called different i'm the privacy

a lot so you know i you know you know all. a type with us all that the you know i'm gone i'm done very well so i think that i think public private partnerships you know either we go. oh yes we go but most will check you know the rights of the people i saw that the i'm not the cue ball for granted nationally you lose all the people who we don't. want but the private sector at the moment but i'm i'm job i'm sure many will dispute whether it's the private sector thinking the risks and i'm just sure the i.m.f. would even allowed nationalization of big pharma but dr venus for i'll stop you then more from one of the world's top coronavirus health care professionals after this short break.

and this is a really the beginning of the changing of the guard they now are now handing the baton off to china and as the number one economy in the 21st. trade the numbers are there other statistics are there the relationships are near here 18 you are there the relationship with russia and iran is there you know their and their relationship all over africa as our father.

welcome back i'm still here with some terrific support as regards kovacs the w.h.o. is saying that some vaccine dossiers have not even been given to kovacs in full to analyze africa's have covert vaccines what they want to do you make of that yes so and i think that's probably part of the delay in the call but the doctors on the khobar facility i've been on. that's public private yeah yeah and i think of that part of the challenge because the dog whistle to you know prove up about to get the company. dot com where is the bed of the mitchell article i read it that we should get back to number 90000000 by the end of february when you pointed out the impact in presidency already across the continent doubly to what we would lessen our government must make sure that our data requires us to make the best sean or

african logic in the conservation or else what is it but is it kovacs that failed or as a w.h.o. into mates the private companies that have failed in adequately giving information so the vaccines can be given out for the private sector companies because the publisher is off the bottle over you know the little bit of both a public private partnership yeah yeah you know again i think in all the discussion on their own about the nationality of private sector companies want to make a profit i don't want to give up it and talk like that so. humbling have to go to the private companies and i just hope that they have to pump a commonground on a new poll. i mean the pentagon once 239000000 dollars for war in in africa do you think the u.s. military can help air and i would grander public private partnership 239000000 dollars for. more. u.s.

military in africa perhaps military medics from the u.s. army yeah because if you look back at your government will the u.s. department of defense has been supporting you know public health interventions across africa. or the impacts of them. and i'm hoping that part of the money they mention. would also mean that you know my investments go into public health preparing point in fact with our brains and i need a red one and not just you know are called people who are in. you know equipment for walk there of like that. they've done they've done a lot to the department of defense about the years. and i'm pretty sure the pentagon will say this is this is about combating terrorism nothing about helping public health care in any sense i mean how do you compare there in a bridge or the response is different african countries to the different

vaccinations are an awful because we are hearing that china is sending masses of vaccines to countries and is preparing to and will send be sending far more vaccines than those from native countries i think it's a welcome development because one thing that the african union. have triffids its repoint coordinating response across the continent is the africa backspin up asked him you know the article by president of the post as it's up of the african union so i hope those africa before they need that to the particular task because of responsibility before me as a public health official somebody who was helping whatever have to come into the continent a lot who through the body of the court made a part of the confidence our level but also you know it's not enough now. that doesn't pose to give up above or go back to the army talk to people because

obviously if those things are not done i think they dock at the back with a novel suspicion that people already have about the vatican across the country. well 15000000 people vaccinated here in britain what is the state of covert vaccination in nigeria today because we're hoping to get 20 percent 30 percent 40 percent over the coming months and people in nigeria talking about 20222023 year i mean we've not i've passed i know we nobody have the budget that we could get next year there's a population of about 200000000 people but also with you know that from the cost of that if we hope to get at least about keeping it on duty by the end of february hopefully elements that eventually call doctors went back to the song that's what do you see my i'm going to get is that even if we get all the duties that we've.

got to go but as you said that idea it will all be back on it's 20 percent of our population just to be clear no one person in a country of 200000000 people has been vaccinated against coronavirus as of today not in nigeria accepted the 2nd child without commenting on the problem that fitted to by. one of our form of vice president at the club about that was i said that in 2 but i don't both people have gone to the back in country no one has been vaccinated tryphena so far thank you. thank you so much well if coronaviruses taught us anything it is that the rich just keep getting richer largely by hiding their wealth in offshore accounts denmark is giving offshore a different name an offshore energy island the size of $800.00 football pitches in the north sea joining me now from copenhagen is denmark's minister for climate energy and utilities done new york incident minister thanks so much for coming on going underground of to start with just tell me about this project 25000000000

pounds is it well it's a huge project what we are basically doing is saying offshore wind into a new face usually until now when countries have established option when you have one farm and you've connected that to the shaw and that's it based now we're going further out in the sea and we're making many different of show wind farm and then connecting them to an artificial island and island will then serve as a hub that can be connected to our own country of course but also other countries in europe are you going to export any of that energy to britain here and here in britain because we are opening up coal mines actually have how well it's too early to say which countries we are going to elaborate but can go what's capacity as what we saw and now that stand off that it just sits so supply $10000000.00 homes and

since we are only less than $6000000.00 people in denmark goes without saying that this needs to be in collaboration with a country which we are right now negotiating with belgium the netherlands and germany on this. other swale will probably follow. wait a minute though the european union countries when will you actually make these kinds of decisions how far down the line me if indeed you are going to export electricity to britain well actually we need to make these decisions wind in the year to 18 months because the whole economy of the project depends on us having these agreements went with other countries is it true that denmark will shut down its entire oil industry within 30 years yes we have decided to stop exploration of oil and gas an expedition upon gas and so $1050.00 and we have cancelled all licensing rounds from now and in the future not an easy

decision because we're the biggest oil producer in the us it is and we've chosen to do it because we need to be counter neutral and so $1050.00 and we want other countries also to become a nurse also fos to really keep producing oil and selling it to other countries while we are on the other hand sell them that we wish they were kava neutral doesn't really make sense it's not an easy decision because we've made a lot of money on fossils in our country during the years. now is the time when denmark a lot so then must be flooded by 2030 is this a real decision now well we we cause a small country with a lot of house and we will also be affected by climate change no doubt but it's also clear that. other pos of the world especially the poor countries on this planet will be hit the hardest so. if we are so show any sort of they're actually

on this planet it must be that the richest countries and they want to have the possibility of a german state nice to reduce our emissions we need to show that it means transmission is it's necessary we. hope to be a front runner in the sense that other countries will look at us and hopefully follow our example and we also hope to do this in a way where it won't hurt us i mean what kind of an example would we be if we lost jobs in in the process if people got on employed if we had to lower our standard of living so this is actually also a growth strategy frost so to people that will lose that job in the oil and gas industry we want to employ them instead in the offshore wind industry well obviously environmental groups some of them will say the time span is is too slow still i mean do you think greenpeace should take the credit it was only what a few months ago they were occupying the den bravo all rigged denmark's for us.

they go oh rig in the history of petrochemical exploration in denmark and now you've kind of done what greenpeace asked. well. there's no doubt that a lot of green organizations across the world has been in arguing for countries to do this all for quite some time and it's been important that they're also countries that actually had an oil production of us of a certain size did it and i believe that we are the 1st country of that sort of on this and i think that it is faster say that the pressure. from green n.g.o.s yes but actually more from the danish population as hell does as a government make this decision because we had an election one year and a half ago and that was the 1st election in danish history where climate change was under very troubled gena now we've we've been true crean transformation for decades

now but it's never been de most important topic politically if the voters it is now and of course decision may make us like myself a lot of leverage. the power of the fossil fuel lobby lobby is so famous that in the u.s. presidential campaign joe biden famous they came out pro fracking will you take him to dinner by any big fossil fuel chairman or to even executives telling you this is a crazy idea of course. has been. companies people arguing against this and i do actually have to be fair and say that even. be possible to oil industry also now beginning to see to rationality in this and i think that also one of the reasons why i haven't actually seen that much criticism from the oil industry it's watched and my view is that we are aiming to do this in in

a way where we also project investments that's been made on the short term so we give certain sheep that the jobs that are there now they will be phased out over. some number of years and if you think about it if you are india oil business and you know for a fact that the european union has pledged to be carbon neutral in 2050 maybe harder you may yeah you maybe you better making that transformation now if you still want to make money. ok amateur with us or michael moore's film revenge of the humans i think your trip took it down briefly maybe these companies are interesting because a lot of money to be made out of it and actually the maintenance than the construction harms the environment what have you been doing in these initial plans to stop the construction of the energy islands from actually making the climate crisis worse. well it's a very good point that making renewable energy obviously it's necessary for us if

we are to have a confusion fight climate change but we also need to do it in a way so that we don't hurt them environment in the process and we would have 1st country to actually build an altar wind back in 1901 the companies that are out there nature and want to build these winter bonds and to build the farms and the island they need to fulfill some some quite strict criteria with regards to environment and there's nothing unique about the sector of the north sea that these plans of form are stronger than could order a similar kind of development in the north sea off the coast of britain but we definitely hope that other countries will will follow his example and an individual if you look at what the european commission. has calculated how big the potential is for sure wind in the north sea. i would actually think it would be strange if if other countries didn't do the same as we've chosen to do here 1st and foremost

because we're also looking into it and lecture if occasion of our societies when all cars will be electric in not that many years how do we get all electricity also we will have new technologies very soon how to extract knology where you can transform the power from winter vance via an adventurous process into. and hydrogen into fluid liquids and you can then put on a plane or use on a boat on a heavy transport vehicle 'd on the streets this means that you don't all of us and fly are praying basically on power from from the wind. this is necessary development in a world with with a couple of 1000000000 more people than we are now in 2050 and where we still need to be green. thank you so much that's it for the show will be back on wednesday the day cuban revolutionary. is president leaving behind

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the news or anything in the last 4 years it was the fact you know we had this transformational president with really grand aspirations that were broadly supported by the american people in the most populous present in the country's recent history were matched by the appointments that were made in the administration i think maybe with his background in business he might have underestimated the importance of personality but you know having worked in the white house in the executive branch of government so much rests on personnel . so this is really the beginning of the changing of the guard in our now handing the

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