whenever 11000 people died after the w.h.o. criticised rich countries for over ordering covered vaccines joining me now from a village in nigeria is one of the world's top coronavirus health care professionals and senior atlantic fellow for health equity at george washington university dr if you know so for thanks so much affinity for coming on i've been a 1st start off i know everyone's talking about combet certainly here in the e.u. how bad is it in guinea and the rest of west africa the w.h.o. put 6 countries on alert ok thanks again option for having me on so i think that's part of the bullet concerning guinea. that there is a high sense of allah but having said that i think i think the country guinea i feel like the african union would be africa sent up with this on our mealy i could give you the particular great because apart from all the letters that be let go by the un the capacitive bill i think have been and the group is back with it is

also a plot that is going to help. the restaurants in this current ugly just goes to show important vaccines are i just want to ask you what your reaction was i mean you probably knew it already when the delegates chose voss said there were only 25 doses in in africa while millions partly because i'm beyond that what was your reaction so i mean i was shocked to be on it going to going to be 25 there was actually a unique aspect of that which i was punished you would know better but that's not the way to deal with a pandemic if i'm them expect every conflict you know everybody every one so that if i meet you and doug back to new york because they have to like this because where so we are stronger you know i thought we can't rest wanted to find any. more quantities that have. equity or you know doing things the right way now you know

bury our heads in the sand. to think about the president but. it was quite shocking to me to be on i'll quite well ok that was january 25 notices for guinea 39000000 for the richer countries macro has just made an announcement we will give africa some of the leftover vaccines you must be really happy. no to be honest i'm not because coincidentally a publication came from the economist about you know showing the fact that if rich up on trees are not hard impact and they are billable boxes now if you don't everybody so it's not a question of which i'm not africa for instance let me stick to africa. not consistently be add to this event and not where you are don't ask me to your people that you think about africa it was i think i've got some doozies from the the

johnson and johnson back then it was celebrate that depends on what but this one i was just a few 1000 goes for a country of you know almost 60000000 people or more well as i say the rich countries say they're doing what they can and actually here in britain we are getting information that there is a vaccine kind of cold war shiner and russia area using coronavirus for their evil geopolitical intent it has to be said nigeria has emphasized the astra zeneca vaccine do you think more than the sputnik 5 and they sign a form chinese one yet and i think that i have and i think partly because you know the coaches that wish on or what astra zeneca you know is something that. we're already have big on our human addition system and. i think if you if you if you look back you see that before. all the russian back then was that that for instance

in the u.k. but also have results that you know everybody could look at and learn the russian one hasn't been tested here actually we're not really hearing much about sputnik 5 in britain. so so it's understandable why the nigerian government says you know. it's kind of going outside after that it got back in because our system here would be able to. ship that backs and that particular brand in the radical change or. for distribution but i think again if we look at it. in the sense of equity and shot in that we have been of dubious to back this up people i don't think we should be to deny this point in time as far as the particular vaccine has been shown to be efficient and safe nigeria's science minister dr o'grady on you has in the past few days been saying that they're going to cooperate not only. with the bowler because i think there has been cooperation

with the border with the cuban government but they will be working with the cuban government on covina how do politics affect the coronavirus vaccine distribution. vasant you know permit everything because. definitely i'm not privy to the kind of discussions that happened happen out of president. and i don't know who's been with . the group or they don't hope for that but if there's anything we've learned from this particular responding to one thing as from last year remember this is not the 1st time that what punishments are forbidden in our commodities you know. what it is. but not politically correct you think they're not good about the past time and i think often basically african countries are like in for bible you know how do we what do we do when it's all that we get what our people need and also to meet our

own political aspirations are independent nation to which of course some rich countries will say nigeria is rich in resources why doesn't it have its own homegrown vaccination program and i understand you have something called diu sin vacs but the funding what is the biotech industry in nigeria a country so much more populous so much richer in resources than britain why can't you make your own vaccines i mean that really i mean that i think that for me though the last question that's why the point i was going to be recently where actually express my anger not just that nigeria but africa nation because. but governments over the years have actually brought us here and you know what i can. if we had you know good governance over the years and years even the police are where we should be manufacturing are back to that other point in time to address

the particular dismissal find ourselves you have to depend on what time is and what the question is what is the government in nigeria and what are african leaders doing to prepare for the next pandemic how are they preparing for a job are by the time we have the next fund then we will be will have the capacity to manage. the pontiff. well to be fair to the nigerian government they funded a chair r.d.s. health care sector research and development. scheme to fund research and development which has come under some criticism i think the budget for research $1300000.00 a vaccine compare the $200.00 to $500000000.00 it cost to get a vaccine on the world market so are you optimistic now not just about the idea that the budget cannot make any difference. but to me if i look at health care nothing in nigeria i'm much more interested in because if you look at it to has expenditure in nigeria about 7.777 percent of that amount which i must about

$7700000000.00 out of pocket expenditure just about $1.00 is going to not do not support $1200000000.00 it's about government support so that you know i didn't need to get to this issue where we're able to channel those huge part of pocket expenditure into say initial i help it sharansky that it's quite 1st one thing that has the size and development of part of it and hopefully the country or investors. to begin to put money into the space the government got the amount that the government has budgeted definitely we're not making a dent as far back as well nigeria is not a learn many countries that arguably have military political alliances with the united states are indebted to the washington international monetary fund so there's only so much money to go go around what do you think will be the pressures to

further privatized that scene research and maybe distribution of covert vaccines as we go through this pandemic if either stepped up live a very important thank you there. was a question im is what lesson would learn from koby one thing is how the private sector man you know i really do. around. africa we just met all by all the private but me ask him to get the forms private if that book while listening to a couple before so i'm grateful but $80000000.00 within one year to support the rest point and then give it to me that image or lesson because the question tonight is how would government good with the private. what lessons can we take away from kobe it so that we can use that to. stop all epidemic preparedness for the future but also you know the question all about the private sector company a very important role in you know getting the back when you are using the or

refocus on the or network on logic because you distribute the vaccine for the private sector hardly very probably. africa and i'll go think that africans would have to come to the point where we're well known what was the sound that if an employer getting something for free does not mean somebody bought a point and. sought public private partnerships like prokofiev in nigeria you know i think probably you wish to go in the future in preparing them or wanted to fund them because the debate here ugly in richer nations is the private sector is interested always in profit and they in fact the british economy is kind of in soviet. state is playing a much bigger role in society and is paying the bills wages and there are some calls to nationalize the big pharma companies since after all the big pharma companies get their research from publicly funded universities and and then reap

the rewards in some cases not all big pharma covered vaccines reaps massive profit . i mean that i think just you know. you know mickey did blackouts like that are. alive and well those privates that but i don't think the best wig because we know that comment that how do you know chris we are doing all you know based on science and it's what they call different but i'm the privacy of it lot so you know i you know michel run you know all malt a title with us all that they you know i've gone on and on very well so i think that i think public private partnership the way to go obviously go but most will check you know the right of the people i saw the i'm not there. for granted you know those ball people who are we don't know. what the private sector at the

moment but i'm i'm job sure i'm sure many will dispute whether it's a private sector thinking there are risks and i'm just sure the i.m.f. would even allow the nationalization of big pharma but dr venus for i'll stop you there more from one of the world's top coronavirus health care professionals after this short break.

there are already strong signs the binding ministration is returning to the foreign policy of the obama years obama's foreign policies were hardly a success indeed this was the time of endless wars will divide the ministrations of the speedster me and drove on. welcome back i'm still here with dr finance for as regards kovacs the w.h.o. is saying that some vaccine dossiers have not even been given to kovacs in full to analyze efficacy of covert vaccines when they want to do you make of the. yes so i think that's probably part of going to live in the core but the boxes on the

box. that's public private yeah yeah that i think about part of the challenge because it doubly sure ask you you know. about to get the bump in. the dot com where it was that of the. i mean if that was your best bet the number 90000000 dollars by the end of february when you pointed out the back to the president already across the continent i don't know what one would listen i government mix all that audit required to make the best sean or africans love it because it's about submission or what is it but is it kovacs that failed or as a dummy h.-o. into mates the private companies that have failed in adequately giving information so the vaccines can be given out while the private sector companies because the military is also what the courts. you know the little bit of it was a public private partnership. you know again i think in all the discussions around

but the nationalities in private sector companies want to make a product i don't want to give up it and stuff like that so. humbling have to go to the private companies and i just hope that they have to come pick up on grant and move forward. i mean the pentagon wants 239000000 dollars for the war in in africa do you think the u.s. military can help perrineau a grander public private partnership 239000000 dollars for. more u.s. military in africa perhaps military medics from the u.s. army yeah because if you look back do you have governmental the u.s. department of defense has been stopping you know public health interventions across africa if i'd done something really and i'm hoping that you know part of the money that meant sun. would also mean that you know why is that money go into public

health repairing point if that's what we are bringing and i need a red one and not just you know i'll call people who are in. you know equipment for walk up like that. don't get done a lot to get apartments of the pencil but the years. i'm pretty sure the pentagon will say this is this is about combating terrorism nothing about helping public health care in any sense i mean how do you compare there in a bridge or the responses of different african countries to the different vaccinations that there are an awful because we are hearing that china is sending masses of vaccines to countries and is preparing to and will send be sending far more vaccines than those from native countries i think it's a welcome development because one thing that the african union. have triffids its repoint coordinate in response across the continent is the africa backspin up

we saw in fact you know the out of of by a prisoner because it's up to the african union so i hope those i thought to be caught in it that you got but because of responsibility before me as a public health official somebody who want to help it be. whatever boston common to the continent a lot through the bodies are coded as part of the continental level but also you know through the national now. you know. that that doesn't pose to give up about 400 bucks and so badly stuck with people because obviously if those things are not done i think the dock at the back with a noble profession that people already have about the baton across the country will 15000000 people vaccinated here in britain what is the state of covered vaccination in nigeria today because we're hoping to get 20 percent 30 percent 40 percent over the coming months and people in nigeria talking about 2022 in 2023 year

i mean we've not i've passed i know we nobody have rebuffed that that we could get 90 year there's a population of about 200000000 people but what we hear is up on the combustibility we hope to get at least about keeping it on duty by the end of february hopefully elements that eventually call that is when but the song that's what is see my argument again is that even if we get all the duties that we think are we got to go but as committed to the idea it's all about need 20 percent of our population just to be clear no one person in a country of 200000000 people has been vaccinated against coronavirus as of today not in nigeria i accepted the fact and travelled out on monday as i've travelled that city to buy. one of our form of vice president at the club our was busted into but i don't go people have gone to the back lot in country no one has investigated

the traffic so far thank you. thank you so much well if coronaviruses taught us anything it is that the rich just keep getting richer largely by hiding their wealth in offshore accounts denmark is giving offshore a different name an offshore energy island the size of $800.00 football pitches in the north sea joining me now from copenhagen is denmark's minister for climate energy and utilities done new york incident minister thanks so much for coming on going underground of to start with just tell me about this project 25000000000 pounds is it well it's a huge project what we are basically doing is saying offshore wind into a new face usually until now when countries have established option when if i'm sure you have one farm and you've connected that to the shaw and that's it based now we're going further out in the sea and we're making many different of show wind farm and then connecting them to an artificial island and island will then serve as

a hub that can be connected to our own country of course but also other countries in europe are going to export any of that energy to britain here and here in britain because we are opening up coal mines actually have wells too early to say which countries we are going to elaborate but can go what's capacity as what we saw and now that's enough that it just sits supply 10000000 homes and since we are only less than 6000000 people and they're not kosher i was saying that this needs to be in collaboration with the country which we are right now negotiating with belgium the netherlands and germany on this. other swale will probably follow. wait a minute though the european union countries when will you actually make these kinds of decisions how far down the line the if indeed you are going to export

electricity to britain well actually we need to make these decisions wind in the year to 18 months because the whole economy of the project depends on us having these agreements went with other countries is it true that denmark will shut down its entire oil industry within 30 years yes we have decided to stop exploration of oil and gas the next station upon gas and so $1050.00 and we have canceled all licensing rounds from now and in the future not an easy decision because we're the biggest oil producer in the u.s. it is and we've chosen to do it because we need to be counter neutral and so $1050.00 and we want other countries also to also foster really keep producing oil and selling it to other countries while we are on the other hand sell them that we

wish they were avenues will really make sense it's not an easy decision because we've made a lot of money on fossils in our country during the years but now is the time when denmark a lots of denmark be flooded by 2030 is this a real decision now well we we cause a small country with a lot of house and we will also be affected by climate change no doubt but it's also clear that. other pos of the world especially the poor countries on this planet will be hit the hardest so. if we are showing his solidarity on this planet it must be that the richest countries and they want to have the possibility of a show nice to reduce our emissions we need to show that it means transmission is necessary we. home to be a front runner in the sense that other countries will look at us and hopefully follow our example and we also hope to do this in

a way where it won't hurt us i mean what kind of an example would we be if we lost jobs in in the process if people got on employed if we had to lower our standard of living so this is actually also a growth strategy frost so to people that will lose that job in the oil and gas industry we want to employ them instead in the offshore wind industry well obviously environmental groups some of them will say the time span is is too slow still i mean do you think greenpeace should take the credit it was only what a few months ago that they were occupying the dan bravo aisle rig denmark's for us . big oil rig in the history of petrochemical exploration in denmark and now you've kind of done what greenpeace asked. well. there's no doubt that a lot of green organizations across the world has been been arguing for countries to do this all for quite some time and it's been important that they're also

countries that actually had an oil production of us of a certain size did it and i believe that we are the 1st country of that sort of on this and i think that it is faster say that the pressure. from green n.g.o.s yes but actually more from the danish population as hell does as a government make this decision because we had an election one year and a half ago and that was the 1st election in danish history where climate change was under very troubled gena now we've we've been true crean transformation for decades now but it's never been de most important job politically if the voters it is now and that of course decision may make us like myself a lot of leverage. the power of the fossil fuel lobby lobby is so famous that in the u.s. presidential campaign joe biden famously came out of pro fracking will you take him to dinner by any big fossil fuel chairman or to even executives telling you this is

a crazy idea of course there. has been. companies people arguing against this and i do actually have to be fair and say that even. be possible to oil industry also now beginning to see to rationality in this and i think that also one of the reasons why i haven't actually seen that much criticism from the oil industry it's watched and my view is that we are aiming to do this in in a way where we also protect the investments that's been made on the short term so we give certainty that the jobs that are there now they will be phased out over. some number of years and if you think about it if you are india oil business and you know for a fact that the european union has pledged to be carbon neutral in 2050 maybe harder you may yeah you maybe you better making that transformation now if you

still want to make money ok amateur with us or michael moore's film revenge of the humans i think your trip took it down briefly maybe these companies are interested because a lot of money to be made out of it and actually the maintenance than the construction harms the environment what have you been doing in these initial plans to stop the construction of the energy islands from actually making the climate crisis worse. well it's a very good point that making renewable energy obviously it's necessary for us if we are to have a confusion fight climate change but we also need to do it in a way so that we don't hurt them environment in the process and we would have 1st country to actually build an altar wind back in 1901 the companies that are out there nature and want to build these winter bonds and to build the farms and the island they need to fulfill some some quite strict criteria with regards to

environment and there's nothing unique about the sector of the north sea that these plans of form are stronger than could order a similar kind of development in the north sea off the coast of britain but we definitely hope that other countries will will follow his example and an individual if you look at what the european commission. has calculated how big the potential is for sure wind in the north sea. i would actually think it would be strange if if other countries didn't do the same as we've chosen to do here 1st and foremost because we're also looking into an excerpt occasion of our societies when all cars will be electric in not that many years how do we get all electricity also we will have new technologies very soon how to extract knology where you can transform the power from winter vance via an adventurous process into.

and hydrogen into fluid liquids and you can then put on a plane or use on a boat on a heavy transport vehicle 'd on the streets this means that you don't all of us and fly are praying basically on our from from the wind. this is necessary development in a world with with a couple of 1000000000 more people than we are now in 2050 and where we still need to be green. and stood on your kids and thank you and you so much and that's it for the show will be back on wednesday 13 years to the day cuban revolution if you don't castro retired as president leaving behind a health care system that would be will be seen in the face of coverage of ours is going to join me on the ground on all our social media never miss an interview by 6 by. the british and american governments have often been accused of destroying lives in

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