i'm action or time junior watching another lockdown edition i'm going on the ground as britain already with the worst coronavirus death toll in europe now arguably faces a grave threat to its $800.00 active union as scottish politics wrestles with independence the prospect of the 1st united ireland in 1200 years looms after a breakfast border in the irish sea in part 2 we'll talk to the new peace chief whip in westminster sami wilson about his challenge to boris johnson's breck set

but now joining me from dublin is the president of violence most popular party chin fame mary mcdonald leader of errands opposition mary welcome to going underground before i even get to covert northern ireland protocols just tell me what you think of the significance of applications for judicial review proceedings over the british army killing of bonnie mcgregor and on bloody sunday and why bloody sunday even resonates there and seemingly not here in the so-called mainstream media well i think this is just a waste to address so do you want to spend it's very very young thanks just read a family's sunday in derry bloody sunday as you now rests and ok so now which city and sells there now i said. and it wasn't there and i say since incidence i should say similarly and bottom or the elsewhere survey in their nights at.

soldier is not i think very gentle the white jersey significance of a sanction. is it the fact that we still have now still live or it's on the mechanisms that we greet that are necessary to deal with the past with legacy yes it's cold and obvious you are opposed conflict society here on this island we need to move ahead and we need to be able to future together but we also need steel with the past and there has been just an extraordinary resistance and almost simple insurance the parks are. bars johnson and u.s. government trade they have clark atlanta going to say joint johnson would deny that and says there would be a storm about a fury of any soldiers with charge of a bloody sunday and there's absolutely nothing new for any trial to discover. well you need to allow the courts to discover what they discovered insurance on their

own derek luke illusions i mean what we had agreed to between all of us was asked are a different mechanism that would be made available to everyone. who suffered extend the course of the conflict at the hands of guests british soldiers but also at the hands of republican senate loyalists and the objections here is to give families to give thanks to instant survivors every opportunity including going to the courts if they wish to establish for themselves the truth and to establish justice and to give them some level of quote friction in a lot of the laws can never really truthfully be compensation for but i think it is quite insulting to people from all sides who have been through air a really really vicious conflict and who has suffered previously to consistently block the channels that they need to and requires to get shoot them justice and

just remember the storm and how supreme it i mean it's one of a litany of agreements that estate between the irish and british governments the british government signed on to our allowance for all of these mechanisms for truth to recovery and free justice so for boris johnson and his administration that to blacken frustration all of that is frankly on forgivable well as i said he says as there's nothing new there hand is it not ironic that with corona virus raging around the world it's the irish police isn't inforcing the border in ireland at the moment even as error fails to vaccinate its people compared to. being vaccinated by the british government in london. well my goodness those are loads of those questions well now a look inside france happens on the island is and as a speech in our job we're actually here mr 2 or

a 5 kilometer search zone outside our home so the requirements you know routinely unless it is necessary for shopping or if you have to go to work outside if you're is an essential work group or it's your exam sense but but all of us not so here we not cross boundaries but in my case i ain't transpire inside the concrete so i. don't. see i represent the inner city so that pacifies race across the islands we have had a challenge from the beginning of this sacrament i restrikes to get on harmonize sation and cohesion across the island to ensure that we have uniform misty in the control center krycek actions that are right minister bites of men and vows that's been patchy to be honest with you but what has been absolutely clear from day one is that in order to keep any of us safe on this side and we need to keep all of us

safe and the very best possible approach an income by saying this cyrus and in roanoke the vaccine is to happen all our energy price for a single population and you will know that for the purposes of animal house in the past the island has been executed as a single unit so for public health we are a single happy to be allowed to approach a unison that's the sensible way to proceed when so temporarily she in frame supports a border between north and highland and what you called. no no i think i'm just explaining to you because a round of art this isn't an iris in any events and dealing with this public health emergency isn't the constitutional question this is if i actually bring people safe this is a. saving people's lives and a lot of the snow that our movement has been and it looks like will remain restraint support for x.

number of weeks more and in any event some people in southern iowa might wish they were in the north because 400000 vaccines in elster only 200000 in the whole of southern ireland do you put the blame firmly on the coalition government and government i think there have been at this been quite white collar and shame on the process us here in that like it's new european commission has conceded that it's had some folds look we want to guess as much vaccine as quickly as we can on city island took our events and she spends efficiently and safely and you know this isn't a time sport it's vaccine n.z. our vaccine nationalism i think all of us need to recognize that this is a global phenomenon and actually we reshape are now a global challenge and to each other say recount our support to have a reservoir of this virus anywhere in the world if we do have

a reservoir of this and i shared that for guys are you concerned right now but i'm talking specifically in the poorest sites if that is the case and if the wealthier nations and almost monopolize the vaccine well then we are storing up trouble for the whole world is this really is perhaps the most dramatic example of just how to ensure it depends and we are as a human race but to your question there is that disparity as responding as the united states 20 percent versus 3.2 percent of the south. yeah i am not defending as i haven't as you know we're part of so state the 2nd of march he coalition in the north i.e. the opposition here and don't and yes we are and chrysotile of the goals meant for the very slow and sometimes continues to have vaccine ronettes that they preside over presumably bars johnson would say the vaccine nationalism is coming from brussels it was brussels and that was threatening to stop vaccines going joel story

one point of course britain has secured a huge amount of vaccine since then yes and to that that the telcos x.i.i. in met hope know weeks ago from the commissioner and the possibility of trip triggering article 16 was completely wrong are still 68 was not trigger ignore such a sentiment and we start seeing now require reassurances to i'll stop making our ice just because the commission made that mistake does not mean that it should trigger a whole chain reaction from others including the british government that would just make every bit you so i sat more difficult there's no good sense. because the british government denies it is as any plans and there are people who do suspect there was it wasn't a mistake i want to get to the hospital waiting lists because i mean i had to read the figure twice i couldn't believe it 800000 people in the area on hospital waiting lists how do you see ireland being able to recover even in the very

shortest of terms from waiting lists of 800 thousands because of coronavirus. yes they are they are there it's shocking i mean that set as shocking indictments and a failure really hurt or and long time to invest properly and open accounts what we need and sure it is we need an irish national health service we need to investigate and has in the in madison in our against we have i can see use to tear gas and price that system we absolutely list prices insurance anywhere in the world at sites in the united states of america that's the wrong direction of travel the correct direction of travel is a good investment expounds an investment in our hope like hell system and if clouds have a silver lining the price that's the senate the senate hospitals their services and

capacity were wired to bite the states at difference junctures and you know there is going to have to be a radical rethink on radical investments and now here it comes out right away we're arguing that a stay and saying i know you're shocked by that stage will be lation 5000000 across the coalition's a full 1000000000 has been pumped into that i'm not sure how your view universal health care systems we do know that an arguable friend of shit very joe biden has become president the united states of america and he's fighting universal health care all the way that do you think his election means mean something significant for a united ireland. well it just on and you know her is so let i how care and hope like madison i would regard as princess century european project so i think i am and of course i recognize that the british that national health service is based their state aid rules which are pretty strict. yeah there are there are there are

a but but public health is something that is take knowledge stand and support so i would regard that as a quintessential me european science as president by selection of course it is sad is good news for our nancy strong male and live woods respectively that's right as our restricted starting point makes absolutely no secret of his love for this country and his commitment to is he in our it's very very many elders. were in atlanta and public life he's right to message to east process and tool as he intends your he said if you're wearing orange you're not welcome here when he welcomed reach your own hair was formerly of the ira. hairy ass and it respects you for and on time was our represents an agenda united states an extraordinary and i was sounding one of that review of the fascination well you

should interfere a some time i think it's i enter a very interesting i i i think that by comments from the president by this very much song and shape there is no evil or ever knew everyone who cares about is hard and knows as our international flag demonstrates it is close to the green else the boy the aryans and squire seem to get on songs between the 2 are great drugs and it's not gold i think it. is aren't you mary lee we don't allow stuffy them or from the leader of the opposition an island after this short break. article of faith russian liberals do not like a lot of you. up until now russian liberals have been chanted with the western so-called western values western ideological wolk ism is changing vocalism disparages tradition patriotism the family and even logic like mad for russia liberals this appears to be going too far are russian liberals falling out of love

with the west. it's been decades since the fall of spain's fascist regime but old wounds still haven't healed. sometimes hurting. me from you know. me coffee to market to bottom is above or me on the bus at the source and you know what i noticed and that's important too you know thousands of newborn babies were torn from their mothers and given away and forced adoption i don't only want to use the other for feaster but of my own role as a fellow mentor to this day mothers still search for grown children while looking in hope for their birth parents. welcome back i'm still here with the president often framed mary lou mcdonald well

i do want to ask you actually about another irish american situation you're aware the u.s. troops landed at shannon airport and broke the covert restrictions in error are you convinced that michael covered his assurances are accurate this won't happen again or is island basically a aircraft carrier of the united states while no one else and is a military neutral and start have been very very serious concerns for quite some time in trying since the use of shock and the implications obviously have a very nice relationship with the and i. i see it states it's almost familial i mean to say los altos in america the irish american t.v. industry is not something that stands out millions of people but that should not surprise but i challenge i think there's more it should be said and then best to get a sense around just at sign and grow nice has offered those assurances at but certainly

we had champagne and others would be pressing and further to ensure that nobody is breaking the code frenched rules and restrictions that is dangerous and i'm spritzed jeopardy for a public out but equally we are sensitive to the facts that we are in actually in trial that's a very very important aspect of irish police let not your general how you treat his island it was a long suspected island as was involved in the rendition flights and were us military people anyway flying enjoying coronavirus and staying in hotels in limerick when it does are a very good questions and those are quite precise your questions that have been put to government i mean i had bite should dish and has spent in your truck going way back since that time also a wolf child when it's not a new fangled sank and irish and the irish perspectives and we are a country as you know it was common iced at by by britain by by your south we

as some brits as dispossession mass emigration partition which is still with us now i am almost just century so we do not share the kind of historical perhaps baggage shorn experience of many of our it you're icky and neighbors were quite sustained in our foreign policy at about ice for wants as a lesser leader ideally and it's important that we protect that because we're never going to be and military power our hyper power we are a small island as you know i and i and people are out we're. but we have we can bring great positivity so long as we are true to who we are imes to our experiences and so long. as we are afforded to the space to support to actually standish our democratic journey and by gosh i mean and the partition of

our items ok well boris johnson arguably has given you that the irish protocol gave you a border down the irish sea i'm going to speak to the chief whip of the dva in westminster samuelson in a moment who says that there are all this talk of loyalist attacks on those processing customs claims now because you seem to have a united ireland in terms of business. well they can't be tracked so anybody going up right there in there and j.d. work and facts and some workers where am remote from port at larne epis they're back now to end their work and i'm still p.s. and i really started to send the north confirms that there wasn't any since their way of thinking any serious sample of threats against the us court has i think what has happened is that unionists and in not all star irish union as some has decided that this is all in the protocol it's important to remember is in place to protect

the all islands economy to protect it and the infrastructure piece on the items at but unionism have to cite business as a platform and let it go form an election with the knights of the assembly elections at that are coming up next year and this time sammy was done and others are of course at liberty and perfectly free in an open society to say what they have to say and say that they're all of 6 but just remember this they were the ones who shouts it's just for breakfast and while they were doing doesn't we tell them everybody told them this was bad news for ireland and they know it just as i know that people in the north aren't did not consent to craigslist as a matter of fact they post that to remain observationally that thank you now to hear from the other side is the democratic unionist party chief whip sammy wilson who joins me here alone in northern ireland sammy thanks for going back on the show

i mean things have changed a lot and you were a regular on going underground your once propping up a government that boris johnson was foreign secretary and today things are not so good tell me why you've written to the prime minister well you know you're quite right and do talk to you again by the way post the parliament in respect to changed after the general election the coolant in my youth. you. decided to keep the view that they wanted to see the conservative party before they wanted to see if the union they signed an agreement with the e.u. which didn't so much sell those assaulters over to the e.u. and we have i become part a semi part of the european union and a sunny part of the united kingdom rather than full of little 'd members of the united kingdom and i suppose a reason for them in her conservative m.p.'s explained that they wanted to ensure

that bracks was dong the sticking point at that stage was northern arnold and not long for kim sacrificed to go to a don't just those a couple months ago the sticking point was the fisherman and the united 'd kingdom and they were thrown over or 'd as well. all the problems that were related 'd to their own during or after an account have been proven so if you're going to wreck or brigade promises to people we're not i saying we're going to hold 'd you legally responsible for the changes which you made which we believe are legal and which we believe the courts may well over time. i was going to marry who were going on about judicial review of a bloody sunday you want to judicial review over the breakfast island protocol but i mean did you know of course see this would happen to me right now sheen frame his

writing high in the polls for a united ireland the fact oh you're saying that the tories have broken their promises to you joe biden is now president of the united states he says if you're wearing orange you're not welcome here when he famously welcomed return or have his do you prefer a singular. no we're not facing corruption don't forget so our history and northern are we a theist difficult times northern ireland was born this is this is our 100th anniversary we were born from a civil war for the 1st 10 years of our existence we 'd have a terrorist county and go organize a strong the irish republic designed to try is under the united kingdom and don't forget we went through 'd a 30 year terrorist company and stay within the united kingdom so you know we've been used to these option times and our relationship with the united kingdom we

have to go and enter nicely banging cream saying that unless we get work in sept we can't be removed from the united kingdom and that will be part of our arch article challenge those fish caught talk quite the good friday agreement how to be protected how about good friday agreement up because it ripped up the principle of consent they've changed are still us with then the united kingdom and we will have 60 percent were laws in future made by a foreign part of the process adjudicated all about foreign court the european court of justice and that has changed our constitutional status and it's been changed completely and then you're nicely by me. obviously that's not how brothel sees it not how the white house sees it i mean when the titanic built in mon may be determined to determine who the titanic was to get across the atlantic ocean right now in belfast probably not far from the way you are i understand that there are

border checks on goods coming from england and her scotland into. how long can you cope with that i'm got again as part of our legal challenge because the actual you know form the united kingdom article 6 of the actual union makes it quite clear now as part of the united kingdom there shout be no and headed to treat between the 4 countries which make off the united kingdom so not only has a good friday in the principle of consent being wrapped up in the northern protocol but also the act of union has been ripped up because the 1st hang and 300 years we not have impediments to treated across the united kingdom as a result of the normal and protocol and you know those are the 2 things which we

believe it was a very starting pierce for challenging an agreement which runs contrary to all the promises which are made to us i want the to the very day you'll find the issue or the actual oath well you know some people say the working class protestants were used for most or in the 1st world war or you know numerous wars what are your base what is your base going to do in response to these border checks right now i know you've been saying members on the ground loyalist members one to one to threaten the existence of this northern island protocol by attacking the people that are defacto breaking the 800 active. well i mean 1st what we don't want to see a return to violence in northern ireland you know we have not encouraged that kind of thinking is said that there's considerable political and legal challenges with could be needed to this agreement and that's what we intend to do it might we've

also want to go into court that if they ignore as if done so far to gloss over the problems which the protocols cause if they nor are those issues then of course you do leave impact him on people who are frustrated that i'm gray but willard you know and all of our view of how this history oh were you how problems look up you can't be sort of vocal that equate people do resort to violence is not was very very very call us up of up and i believe that the government today to uphold the act of you know. hold integrity of the united kingdom and then also judy the people of north florida who they made a promise to you and the belfast agreement that they will not allow i any change in our constitution position to occur with the consent of the people of northern ireland and here they 'd are almost as night in over the they didn't interrupt his

night in who were in the white house talk about the need to defend the good friday agreement baghdad of the models were not well we see joe biden says is joe biden says he's no ignoramus and actually while the mary mcdonald resists talking about a referendum on a united ireland i'm just going to ask you one comit question because simon made just one point them out on me that 2000000 dollars by talk of a referendum on the position of northern ireland again you would have to rip up the good friday agreement in order to how that referendum because that the conditions and wishart referendum which it is are very clear and it's only when. there is a clear majority of people in northern ireland expressing that this ira cheating ok well you know this sunday dimes poll. about the need for

a referendum is being bandied about by by republicans deftly but i just could not let you make that clear the sunday times poll also sure that they were going to george people and fearful of staying with the united kingdom and that being the key yes there is therefore no grind within the belfast good friday agreement for a lingering effort on the note of ewart rock the referendum are on the scottish nationalists would be almost back for a referendum scotland and a fairly for how the united kingdom might recall i think that scotland will leave the no in will form our own thoughts. well just find me a code question simon in the south has assured that the us military who apparently were breaking covert regulations in the era that won't happen again how how aware are you of the threat of covert as gaping from the south to the north now that obviously vaccination rates in the north are so much better than in ireland

well the irony of course is the spite all the talk of being able to how our border for the last month. there i was 15 checks on the border between northern ireland and the arch and steel plant and the guard sure sure all this argument about how checks on the border. a week is just a lot of nonsense. has always be left there this checks for future 'd moving from well armed and the then protestant street northern ireland and they're probably not really north along with the rest and i think and thank you and that's it for the show will be back on saturday to speak the us president j.f.k. his nephew on the day of the founding of the british labor party to feel the joy you know he got of social media and there was an interview by surprise as well from eugene because of the like want to turn the patients on.

in the headlines this wednesday astra zeneca has covert jabs like and he used in europe as people refuse vaccination of effort to see concerns at the same time as the world health organization points to drastic shortages in poor an agent. half a 1000000 american victims and counting yet no one. mass vaccination in sight and despite no real pandemic policy switch sides president nonetheless u.s. media seem to love joe biden's little changed approach. and. russia slams the u.s. for undermining free trade and fair competition after washington boasts about european companies pulling out of the nord stream to gas pipeline project in the face of american sanctions.