as far as i remember. is the more you use austin tichenor. news for now i'm calling brian moscow but with your next update in half an hour. i'm actually retired gen you're watching another lockdown edition of going underground as britain already with the worst coronavirus death toll in europe now arguably faces a grave threat to its $800.00 active union as college politics wrestles with independence the prospect of the 1st united ireland in 800 years looms after

a breakfast border in the irish sea in part 2 we'll talk to the new peace chief whip in westminster sami wilson about his challenge to boris johnson's breck set but now joining me from dublin is the president of violence most popular party chin fame mary mcdonald leader of errands opposition mary welcome to going underground before i even get to covert northern ireland protocols just tell me what you think of the significance of applications for judicial review proceedings over the british army killing of bonnie mcgregor bloody sunday and why bloody sunday even resonates there and seemingly not here in the so-called mainstream media well i think this is just a waste to address so what do you want to spend it very very young. just read their families not the sunday in derry bloody sunday as you now rests and ok so rich surveillance goes there now i said. and it wasn't there and i said. recent

incidents i should say and similarly in ballot murphy and elsewhere survey in stores there now i see at their hands are british soldiers going to i think 3 to jan the white jersey significance of this action. is the fact that we still have not delivered on the mechanisms that we greet are necessary to deal with the past with legacy yes it's cold and obvious you are a post conflict society here on this island we need to move ahead and we need to build to a future together but we also need to deal with the past and there has been just an extraordinary resistance and almost simple insurance the parks are. bars johnson and his government for they have blocked laughter going to say joint johnson would deny that and says they would be a storm about a fury of any soldiers would judge of a bloody sunday and there's absolutely nothing new for any trial to discover. well

you need to allow the courts to discover what they discovered insurance on their on derek's loop illusions i mean what we had agreed to between all of us was asked are a different matter medicines that will be made available to everyone. who suffered extend the course of the conflict at the hands of guests british soldiers but also at the hands of republican senate loyalists and the objections here is to give families to give thanks to instant survivors every opportunity including going to the courts if they wish to establish for themselves the truth and to establish justice and she gives them some level of quote friction in a lot of the laws can never really truthfully be compensation for but i think it is quite insulting to people from all sides who have been through a really really vicious conflict and who are suffering previously to consistently

block the channels that they need to and requires to get shoot then justice and just remember the storm and how supreme it i mean it's one of a litany of agreements estate between the irish and british governments the british government signed on to our allowance for all of these mechanisms for truth to recovery and free justice so for boris johnson and his administration now to blacken frustration all of that is frankly on forgivable well as i said he says as there's nothing new there hand is it not ironic that with corona virus raging around the world it's the irish police is new to enforcing the border in ireland at the moment even as error fails to vaccinate its people compared to. being vaccinated by the british government in london. well my goodness those are

loads of those questions well now a look inside france happens on the island is and as a speech in our job we're actually here mr 2 or a 5 kilometer search zone outside our home so the requirement is that nobody leaves unless it is necessary for shopping or if you have to go to work outside if you're is an essential work group or it's your exam sense but all of us not so here we not cross boundaries but in my case i it transpired inside the concrete so i. don't. see i represent the inner city so that pacifies race across the islands we have had a challenge from the beginning of this acronis fires prices to get a harmonized ation and a cohesion across the island to ensure that we have uniform misty in the control center krycek actions that are right minister by cell phone and about passed and that's been patchy to be honest with you but what has been absolutely clear from

day one is that in order to keep any of us safe on this side and we need to keep all of us safe and the very best possible approach and income by saying this virus and in roanoke the vaccine is to have an all our energy price for a single population and you will know that for the purposes of animal house in the past the islands has been if you as a single unit so for public health we are a single happy to be allowed to grow 8 units and that's the sensible way to proceed when so temporarily shion frame supports a border between north and highland and what you called. no no i think i'm just explaining to you that because a round of of this isn't tomatoes in any events and dealing with this public health emergency isn't the constitutional question this is if i actually bring people safe this is a. saving people's lives and

a lot of the snow that our movement has been and it looks like will remain restraint support for x. number of weeks more and in any event some people in southern iowa might wish they were in the north because 400000 vaccines in elster only 200000 in the whole of southern ireland you put the blame firmly on the coalition government and government i think there have been at this been quite white collar and shame on the process as a european that's likely to get a new european commission has conceded that it's had some folds don't we want to guess as much vaccine as quickly as we can on city island took our events and she spends efficiently and safely and you know this isn't a time for it's vaccine n.z. are vaccine nationalism i think all of us need to recognize that this is a global phenomenon and actually we reshape are now a global challenge and to each other say prepare our support to have

a reservoir of this virus anywhere in the world if we need to have a reservoir of this and i shared that for guys are you concerned right now but i'm talking specifically in the poorest sites if that is the case and if the wealthier nations and almost monopolize the vaccine well then we are storing up trouble for the whole world is this really is perhaps the most dramatic example of just how to ensure it depends and we are as a human race but to your question there is that disparity as responding as the united states 20 percent versus 3.2 percent of the south. yeah i am not defending as i don't as you know we're part of so state each segment of. our city coalition and our i.e. the opposition here and don't know many as we are and christian tell us the goals meant for the very slow and sometimes continues to as vaccine ronettes that they preside over presumably bars johnson would say the vaccine nationalism is coming

from brussels it was brussels and that was threatening to stop vaccines going joel story one point of course britain has secured a huge amount of vaccine since then. yes and so that that's the telcos x.i.i. and met hope no weeks ago from the commissioner and the possibility of trip triggering are exposed 16 was completely wrong are still $68.00 was not trigger ignore such a sentiment and we start seeing now require reassurances to rile stop making our rights just because the commission made that mistake does not mean that it should trigger a whole chain reaction from others including the british government that would just make every bit you saw. more difficult there's no good sense. because the british government denies it is as any plans and there are people who do suspect there was wasn't a mistake i want to get to the hospital waiting lists because i mean i had to read the figure twice i couldn't believe it 800000 people in the area on hospital

waiting lists how do you see ireland being able to recover even in the very shortest of terms from waiting lists of 800 thousands because of coronavirus. yes they are they are there it's shocking i mean that set as shocking indictments and a failure really hurt or at a long time to invest properly and open accounts what we need and sure it is we need an irish national service we need to investigate and has any involvement madison in our industry have i can see use to tear gas and price that system we absolutely assortments prices insurance anywhere in the world outside the united states of america that's the wrong direction of travel the correct direction of travel is a good investment expounds an investment in our political system and if clouds have

a silver lining the price that's the senate the senate hospitals their services and capacity were wired to bite the states at different junctures and you know there is going to have to be a radical rethink and radical investments and now here it comes out right away we're arguing that a stay njt i know you're shocked by that stage of ovulation of 5000000 across the coalition's a full 1000000000 has been pumped into that i'm not sure how your view universal health care systems we do know that an arguable friend of should v.a. joe biden has become president the united states of america and is fighting universal health care all the way do you think his election means mean something significant for a united ireland. well it just on the new number is so let i held care and public masses and i would regard as he quintessential me european project so i think i am

and of course i recognize that the british that national health service is their state aid rules which are pretty strong yeah there are there are there are a but but public health is something that is technology stand and support so i would regard that as a quintessential me european science i have president biden selection of course it is sad is good news for arnold's he's strong male and lives respectively that's where his irish roots sorry mate makes absolutely no secret of his love for this country and his commitment to is he in a problem it's very very many elders and we're in atlanta and american public life he's right to message to east process and she will as he intends here he said if you're wearing orange you're not welcome here when he welcomed reacher o'hare formerly of the ira. reso harry asked and it recites super and i wish i was our

representatives and the united states an extraordinary and i was. a reader of the fascination well you should interview her sometime i think it's i enter a very interesting i i i think that by hollande president biden was very much tongue in cheek there is no or at her new everyone who cares about is our you know as our international like demonstrates it is his post it's the green else the way the orange and wires didn't get us on songs between deteriorate and there's no gold i can tell you i wasn't aren't you mary lou we don't allow stop you then more from the leader of the opposition and i learned after this short break. there are viable guys. you want to start there are always are. there are you going to get a bad. idea. oh heck no. this is

a repatriation team we get arrested 7 years. delegates every year our guys are hard . welcome back i'm still here with the president often framed mary lou mcdonald well i do want to ask you actually about another irish american situation you're aware the u.s. troops landed at shannon airport and broke the covert restrictions in the air are you convinced that michael covered his assurances are accurate this won't happen again or is basically a a craft carrier of the united states why no one else and i and is a military neutral and start has been very very serious concerns for quite some

time in transit state use such talent and the implications for all of that obviously have a great ice relationship with the united states it's almost sad. i mean it is a loss all of us in america the irish american t.v. industry is not something that stands out millions of people but that should not happen. i think there's more it should be said and that best in a sense around just at sign of growth has offered those assurances at but certainly we had champagne and others would be crossing i'm sorry there to ensure that nobody is breaking the code frenched rules setting restrictions that is dangerous and i'm spritzed jeopardy for a plot like outs but equally we are sensitive to the facts that we are and then actually in trial that's a very very important aspect of irish police let not your general out mutual his island it was a long suspected island as was involved in the rendition flights and were u.s.

military people anyway flying enjoying coronavirus and staying in hotels in limerick yet when it does are a very good questions. those are quite precisely good questions that have been put to government i mean i had bites should dition has spent and your trial going what way back at by by written by by yourselves we at sufferance at dispossession mass emigration partition which is still with us now i am almost just century so we do not share the kind of historical perhaps baggage shorn experience of many i'm sorry your ricky and neighbors were quite sustained in our foreign policy at about ice for want as a less likely to either me and it's important that we protect that because we're never going to be and military power our hyper power we are a small islands you know i and i and people are out we're in but we have we can

bring great positivity so long as we are true to who we are imes to our experiences and so long. as we are afforded to the space to support to actually finish our democratic journey and by gosh i mean and the partition of our items ok well boris johnson arguably has given you that the irish protocol gave you a border down the irish sea i'm going to speak to the chief whip of the dva in westminster samuelson in a moment who says that there are there's talk of loyalist attacks on those processing customs claims now because you seem to have a united ireland in terms of business. well they can't be tracked so on anybody going up right there in there and j.d. we're going to fact some workers where am removed from porch at larne epis they're back now to end their work and i'm still p.s.

and i really started to send the north confirms that there wasn't any there way of making any serious sample of threats against the us court has i think what has happened is that unionists and in not all star irish union as some has decided that this prose is all in the protocol it's important to remember is in place to protect the all islands economy to protect it and the infrastructure piece on the items at but unionism have to cite business as a platform and let it go form an election with the knights of the assembly elections at that are coming up next year and this summer sammy was sent and others are of course at liberty and perfectly free in an open society to say what they have to say and receive their holiday but just remember this they were the ones who shouts it's just for breakfast and while they were doing doesn't we tell them everybody told them this was bad news for ireland and they know it just as i know

the people in the north who are going did not consent to craigslist as a matter of fact they post it to remain open zuniga thank you now to hear from the other side is the democratic unionist party chief whip sammy wilson who joins me here alone in northern ireland sammy thanks for going back on the show i mean things have changed a lot and you were a regular on going underground your once propping up a government that boris johnson was foreign secretary and today things are not so good tell me why you've written to the prime minister well you know you're quite right and do talk to you again by the way past the parliament in respect to changed after the general election the cool moment in my youth. you. decided to keep the view that they wanted to see the conservative party before they wanted to see of the union they signed an agreement with the e.u. which didn't so much sell those assaulters over to the e.u.

and we had i become part arse a semi part of the european union and a semi part of the united kingdom rather than full blown 'd numbers all the united kingdom and i suppose the reason for them in her conservative m.p.'s explained that they wanted to ensure that bracks was dong the sticking point at that stage was northern arnold and northern arc in the sacrifice to go they don't just those a couple months ago the sticking point was the fisherman and the united 'd kingdom and they were thrown over or 'd as well. all the problems that we're in 'd today aren't you're after and have been proven so if you're going to wreck or appreciate promises to people we are not saying we're going to hold 'd you legally responsible for the changes which you me and which we believe are legal and which we believe

the courts may well over time. we're going to marry who are gone about judicial review of a bloody sunday you want to judicial review over the breakfast island protocol but i mean did you know for see this would happen we right now sheen fame is writing high in the polls for a united ireland the fact oh you're saying that the tories have broken their promises to you joe biden is now president of the united states he says if you're wearing orange you know welcome here when famously welcomed return or have as deeply facing. no we're not facing corruption don't forget so our history and nor are we a theist difficult tang's northern ireland was born this is this is our hundreds i'm a 1st rate we were born from a civil war for the 1st 10 years of our existence we 'd have

a terrorist county and go organize a strong the irish republic designed to try is under the united kingdom and don't forget we went through 'd a 30 year terrorist company and stay within the united kingdom so you know we've been used to these option times and our relationship with the united kingdom we have to go in there nicely banging green saying that unless we get work in sept we can't be removed from the united kingdom and that will be part of our arch article challenge that those fish caught talk quite the good friday agreement how to be protected how about good friday agreement up because it ripped up the principle of consent they've changed are still us with then the united kingdom and we will have 60 percent were laws in future bid by a foreign part of the process adjudicated all about foreign court the european court of justice and that has changed our constitutional status and it's been

changed completely and you're nicely by me. obviously that's not how brothel sees it not how the white house sees it i mean when the titanic built in mon may be determined to determine who the titanic was to get across the atlantic ocean right now in belfast probably not far from the way you are i understand that there are border checks on goods coming from england and her scotland into of. how long can you cope with that i'm got again as part of our legal challenge because the actual you know form the united kingdom article 6 of the actual union makes it quite clear now as part of the united kingdom there are shouts be no and hadn't to treat between the 4 can't research because the united kingdom so not only has a good friday in the principle of consent being wrapped up in the northern protocol

but also the act of union has been ripped up because the 1st hanged and 300 years we not have impediments to treated across the united kingdom as a result of the normal and protocol and you know those are the 2 things which we believe it was not very sorry pierce for challenging an agreement which runs contrary to all the promises which for me it is i want the to the very day you find the issue or the actual elf well you know some people say the working class protestants were used from oldster in the 1st world war or you know numerous wars what are your base what is your base going to do in response to these border checks right now i know you've been saying members on the ground loyalist members one to one to threaten the existence of this northern island protocol by attacking

the people that are de facto breaking the 800 active. well i mean 1st what we don't want to see a return to violence in northern ireland you know we have not encouraged that kind of thinking this said that there's considerable political and legal challenges with could be needed to this agreement and that's what we intend to do we've also want to go to court that if they ignore work as if done so far to gloss over the problems which the protocols cause if they nor are those issues then of course you do leave impact him on people who are frustrated that i'm gray but willard you know and all of our view of how this history oh were you how problems look up it can't be sort of local that equate people do resort to violence of not was very very very cautious up of the top and i believe that the government today to uphold the act of you know. hold the integrity of the united kingdom and they've also

judy the people of northern ireland who they made a promise to you and the belfast agreement that they will not a lie and the change in our constitution position to occur with the consent of the people of northern ireland and here they are almost it is not a can over the they did figure out what it is like taken over in the white house talk about the need to defend the good friday agreement baghdad of the mountains were not well obviously joe biden says he's joe biden says he's no ignoramus and actually while the mary mcdonald resists talking about a referendum on a united ireland i'm just going to ask you one comit question because simon made just one point them out on me that $2000000.00 by talk of a referendum on the position of northern ireland again you would have to rip up the good friday agreement in order to house that referendum because that the

conditions and wish out referendum which typically is are very clear and it's only when. there is a clear majority of people in northern ireland expressing that this ira cheating ok well you know as you know this sunday dimes poll. about the need for a referendum is being bandied about by by republicans deftly but i just about the let me make that clear the sunday times poll also showed 'd that they were going to georgia the people and fear of staying with the united kingdom and that being the key yes there is therefore no crying's within the belfast good friday agreement for holding the referendum or no to rock the referendum aren't they scottish nationalists would be almost back for a referendum scotland and surely for how the united kingdom might recall i think that scotland will leave the no in will form our own thoughts. well just find me a code question simon in the south has assured that the us military who

apparently were breaking covert regulations in the era that won't happen again how how aware are you of the threat of covert as gaping from the south to the north now that obviously vaccination rates in the north are so much better than in ireland well the irony of course is that the spike over the top of being able to how well our border for the last month the there i was 15 checks on the border between northern ireland and the irish only and steel went on the dollar not sure sure all this argument out how checks on the border. all week is just a lot of nonsense all right as always be going after this big checks for future moving from well armed to the then the protestant 3 northern ireland and the republic not the 3 north along with the rest and i think both and thank you and

that's it for the show will be back on saturday to speak the us president j.f.k. his nephew on the day of the founding of the british labor party here feel the joy you know he got on social media and there was an interview by surprised refugee because i don't like want to turn the patients or. anyone else so this seems wrong. but i don't really just don't hold. to the world yet to see pal it's just a consequence of. it against me because betrayal. when so many find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground.

the showdown brussels pressure is reluctant members to open up their borders to get the block back on the move but 6 key states say they're staying shot. across the atlantic half a 1000000 american covert deaths and counting yet no mass vaccination in sight but despite the morbid milestone president biden escapes the criticism previously leveled at donald trump's handling of the crisis. and we hear from a canadian man who received hundreds of death threats and felt forced to move across the country after testing positive for coping.