then. just by chance europe didn't succumb to the whole came because of because he made a strategic mistake of taking some of the attacking russia and so now we see again probably. a station where democracy isn't treated by the way everybody says that. sooner or later on the new though of development of society elements of democracy was removed but now we are with this in there we've heard term. ways everywhere including in socal in the democratic countries all so-called democratic countries and also i mean the absolute the common sense and i think one of the 1st people who pronounced it was lee kuan yew i mean tomorrow see swelling is hardly an ideologue of democracy to be honest i. don't sense i mean democracy is only for rich countries and for east

countries for stable societies and whenever there is a. challenge from within or especially from without democracies crumble it's not the happy about the. mood like it's true now i think it's important to stress that you make a distinction between democratization a political faith with its own dogmas and democracy is a form of governance and social engagement and i think without the latter it would be like without the sounds of people being privy to their their fares of their own country i think it would be very difficult to foster and janie and sounds of national conscience and janie and sounds of patriotism which i'm sure is not an active concept for you how do you build that sounds of social and emotional engagement with your country without democracy this very strange wish. there has been. many say it is. most of the ses in the world which have had emotional

deep in gave to the countries with their societies and thousands of people dying for their country or doing fantastic things in countries where there were no democracies democracies would just deliver these kind of democracy is. a privilege of last 6 or 70 years. to huge countries the united states and soviet union that blocked. really real strain historic strain who have a. big war for 7470 years. to mock resume. well there's only one of the ways of governing and i am a little bit distressed guns when they called democracy a value of values family values faith. is law for your country but democracy is an instrument and when the people are. saying that.

this is a value that is strange and we are a distortion of history but do you recognize that it's important that you keep people engaged to make them believe that they have a stake in the development of that country but there are many other ways. for doing that and move but to democracy is one of the ways and by the way this is obviously it is the most comfortable way of governance including one game in. which you have . i would have loved that all countries been would have been democratic my country . even on the on the level of the development of acts some of them and so democracy obviously. i'm looking to that historically and also i know that democracy has always failed when the reserve strain when there's a crisis of crisis when there's

a. war there is own country in the world who has been born is the most of a special group and we sure would survive as a democracy and that's united states now even mention this crisis of crisis and in your writing you you say that we are now in a very particular time in history one of several long simmering trance suddenly coming to the boil and exploiting exploding in our own faces you mentioned the crisis of capitalism the crisis of western civilization the global pandemic or what is being sold as a global pandemic an environmental degradation which one of those i mean maybe some others preoccupy in the most which you find the most challenging intellectual one their refusal of people to acknowledge the truth. and right that one of the crises is the fact that there are 2 we are using that intellectual tools which were

created in different times for different type of societies muesli of course these were on the western times and were some types of societies by the way russia was in the west and to the started to depart from the west. a decade or maybe to the cade's ago now but we are you better. methods of thinking are absolutely absolutely and you know this is the but that means that we are only in a way and that is the biggest challenge that our we are. not up to the challenges we face. i don't know if you were the grave in that. thinking over some of the ideas in. any articles that occurred to me that many of this crisis may have a common denominator and i would call it for myself. excessive consumption or in simpler terms pure basic pure human greed and i see comment

19 as an example of that because in my view at least it's primarily air and metabolic challenge not so much a viral one and metabolic challenge is always sound from poor self control people eating too much consuming too much which is exactly what the capitalist system is encouraging them to do as it's more of development would it be fair to say that essentially all these problems stem from the ethos of enough never being enough. well greed is one of the great drivers of so they should without greed so they should never be. so developed with people who want to consume or want to live better the problem is that in most of the times in history if this really was either the contained either by set of moral values including by the way the moral

about as in the west. and dated by. external circumstances like wars threats etc etc and they do in last 70 years of there was there was a very unique view in human history we were we have. these external know now containing factors then who have the degree of normal values and in many countries and combination of excessive bluebell excessive. consumption and by the way it is of all with this provokes on the daily basis by. by the whole environment i mean that we what we watch what we hear is consume consume consume plus again that chain is the change of that is in many of the societies. that is the biggest it is their deepest problem i would say of course and they said that that is the what i call the crisis capital and it's only

excessive consumption of it is relational model well also in a sound sense what you refer to as the crisis of western civilization because this alternately you know what the western civilization and i think we both consider russia part to be or to be part of that civilization one of the greatest the hallmarks of the enlightenment was the recognition of the sanctity of of the individual and yet you call many of the of this new current i don't logically movements and a humanist can you explain what you mean. in life and of course was a great step forward in the in human history but because it put the human person into the center of the problem is that in lent and. was once a one sided in the in the if you bring that. trend

in order or behavior to the to the. historic end which is what with finishing we end up with in human society it's human and not. the meaning of the of the of the person. be him a man and a woman. used to his family. so he's a society he's country the world got and that is there is absolutely in every civilization in the rouge and what we are nearing now. is. that of some of those asian because. and that is their core problem which the western societies face and that's why i am very much concerned about that and because we are there much part now of the west however i'm happy that we're

turning east and this and some of the that is who have you know i would say but it's also turned from this was asian which is probably which will probably bring us today. well mr curry going to a fascinating topic to consider but let's take a very short break right now we're back in just a few moments stay tuned. for more politicized than ever or more polarized than ever the 21st century when speed is measured in megabytes per 2nd. on the.

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a career going to before the break were we touched upon this very touchy subject of the enlightenment values which many of the new western movements be for gender rights a racial right so the rights of the minorities the dissenter and you said they are misinterpreting it i would suggest an alternative explanation because i think. it is impossible to become. self-sufficient thinking adult person without sustaining some trauma and reality is always more of them. you know human psychology can bear but what those. movements are doing is lionizing and instrumental lising the trauma rather than the human spirit which can overcome. trauma and in this sense it's indeed inhumane because it actually suppresses the human spirit for some instrumentalists goal but why do you think it's so widespread

why do you think so many people are in sync with that. over her so a lot so maybe. it is a. little minority in the western countries these neglectable minorities in the humanities in the whole of humanity. but the to do exists for the reasons one of the reasons we shew mention but i agree with with the question which. is of course that we have been living through there. will be a long period of comfortable. life with big wars you mean that we or people in the west there with who we we we we the people. in the west we also show they belong but most of the people most of the people i mean there were some that is will never will never be influential in africa all that an american missionary and i think this is

a very important point because there are many. values or sort of world views that we genuinely share with the europeans but there is a great. difference in that our history is far more traumatic has been far more traumatic than there is over the last let's say a 100 here is and you know there is an expression i think in both russia and in ways that man's suffering is quite separate change i mean the more you suffer and the better you understand human nature at the end of the day the more in tach with reality you are and i think this is also one of the ideas that you. elaborate on your writing that the west has essentially been fascinated by those ideas because it hasn't had real problems for a very long time. one of the prong that is one of the militias another nation of course is that. their own kind of

injustices and balances in them in most societies including the us and societies and the ruling circles. the beat whomever you cone are using all these strange ideologies. to disunite the people. to distract them from real problems number the way car covered is one of the greatest examples of how people destructing hearing it from oh there's no it is no it is not a but is it is a problem but it is a problem say 40 percent of that 2030 percent is that it by more than media and 30 percent of course artificial we have pumped up in order to distract people from those real problems in their lives in the end these and these ideals is which we have some of them which you have mentioned are of course dividing people who are making i mean cutting them from themselves by the way from

history there is a widespread belief here in russia that the racial justice moment in the united states was used to. get rid of trump and i wonder if it's perhaps a bit broader than this because presenting racism as the main source of all america's evils also allows those transnational elites shift the focus from globalization which in the real in the real statistics terms undermined the middle class and exacerbated in quote income inequality regardless of race i wonder if all these efforts to a portrait trump and his base as racist are really about that views on race or is it perhaps more about their views on globalization that is all because. i mean these elites or some of the bigots who. were born out and born

by going to position are fighting for their turf and that's why they openly or discretely support. all these movements by the way i mean. black or less measure is also his or the salutes i mean in that situation with the black or front i mean racial discrimination is everyone's film and it is everybody's moment i mean but of it wouldn't have been anywhere close to. their prominence if not supported by the weeds and by the way that there be a lamb is also in europe or even in the countries i do you know we should have haven't had any problems with reese's do you think it's mostly political or economic in nature it is both political economic and it is destruction from real problems which are building up that is one of the ways of distrusting from real problems which built the however. to reflect

a real problem now i want to mention one more of these ethical narratives that appeal to our better angels but they also serve somebody else's bottom lines this is. a pair of environmental isn't versus jane in concern for the environment where is the difference for you. oh it was all i mean environmentalism as a religion which is becomes as it is of is not about of course in them though it i mean those who care for them are been not but let me just give you a very simple example i mean all these rooms which are being introduced in your. pushing away i mean the production of goods elsewhere but then they come back and europe or they're to say it's consume all these goods they are pushing away the problems but they are no no no no no wait

a 2nd they consume all this because then they ship all this waste you know we're seeing yes but always a lot of exhausted just those are the real thing all it is is i mean by the way it's all. by oprah because i consume too much i have too many rooms and so hose why on earth do that and the other one of those who are. preaches but not practice and you know there will be i know i have to practice a of course i try to conserve its interest but because i lived in the food through that period of excessive consumption especially coming from a very well to do but relatively. scars. and soviet union and when it opened up i started to consume to watch and now i understand that it was absolutely a mystery why on the it we can joke about this but this is actually a major problem because it's not only the problem of wasteful spending all this

consumption makes people sick than it 3 and assess that they are spending more resources on curing them and they end of the day the resources of the planet are indeed finite and they have already reached their limit absolutely no one will come to replace this system because as you talk about this crisis of crisis you understand if you cannot destroy. everything immediately you will have to start somewhere making adjustments where is that area where adjustments are 1st for dozens of areas on my table there's a reporter who is now preparing and the bill is to some of the government but who which will cause assist the server. it is of course 1st of all i mean. leave it to excessive consumption i'm a liberal one doesn't mean that he's the returning to planning economy and telling people you can only eat one apple has no i mean if you want to buy 2nd the whole home or i mean you have to pay for that i mean thrice that says if you want to hold

the old rules which are. not beyond. the level could be who should be taxed your or your welcome but then you'll have to pay and the monies collected from that these taxes could be used to your environment too could be sent to medicine and elsewhere but that is one of the ways but then they will start to change people's minds because before that we were. pushed towards consumption now it is this survival of the planet plan and transnational elites and those big corporate enterprise are now using to continue their course and i think they're pretty awful and that they see national governments as impediment for themselves i mean if you look at some of the documents produced by the world economic forum in davos it's pretty clear that you know corporate elites blame all the social ills on governments how do you see these very real tension

between national and transnational elites evolving in the next 10 years i think that the nation of these will be winning for the time being be the business phone let's all remember when people probe of a signing that does not show corporations. and juice will around the world. i was a young person i was also in the faith aided by these ideas where these term social corporations they're fighting for the turf but now they have moved all almost all of them are marching on the command of the of the governments of strongest countries if the countries are weak i mean then of course they will be. even further but this time not by the transnational corporations by the but their own social corporations more and more governed by governments and these the so i

mean solar and it will be a very expensive. commodity and only a few countries will be able to afford it russia one software that you mentioned it those corporations are usually under the control of the government and obviously we know that they the main country here is the united states because at that has very strong transnational elites it has an emerging new media companies or contribute a great deal to. making peoples hour around the world more how how margin is regardless of their claims and support for diversity in the case of the united states who is the dog and who is the tail. there were then there was a rouge and. the nation ill leads and. end of major business trump promotion of course it was driven not only by the levy elites but by the common folk. for the time being. is being had been pushed away but i think

that this will lead to he or. she will reappear because. countries could not and even the united states could not afford any more so than veterans there's a national interest. transnationals when they say that we have they are paying for europeans not paying for their for their security. that is common sense europeans has not been paying but the system benefited benefited us national corporations and now i think. with biden or with not with biden it is a retreat but trump is and will win by trump and you mean being the sort of be uprising of the common folks at a polling and the. nation's capital. visibly transnationals and the way

of the one of the reasons why there is such a hatred towards russia or china is that now previously those sort of national. elites were governing except for soviet space. but now i mean they have this best sense of independence toru which are showing that you could do without them or well b.o.o.b. and independent but one of the main reasons why. there was such an attack on russia few years ago and who accuse of being on the edge of hearing and american elections was there. and the willingness of this ruling elite to take on the control the media corporations and the oldies for years they have been fighting to take control over their well but they are in the law and now it is interesting and now when they overthrew trump and invent term whether it was

a truce or was the victory of the state over in the state it is a very interesting subject for the next conversation absolutely that unfortunately we have to live in there but it's always a pleasure talking to thank you very much and thank you for watching hope to see you again next week on all of the part. it's been decades since the fall of spain's fascist regime but old wounds still haven't healed. and. the forming of.

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